Guild Wars 2

Let’s cut through the myths. PvP leagues have failed spectacularly. Deep down, everyone knows this. It’s time to be brutally honest about the PvP situation. It’s time to stop protecting it. It’s time to stop pretending.

If we want to keep this matchmaking system, we NEED to bring back separate team queue and REAL solo queue, that is one man only. No duo, no 3-man. Duos and trios fudge up the matchmaking system to create an advantage and unfair games. We’ve seen this since the beginning of leagues. This is the root of the problem. I believe the current system was meant for 5-man only since your mmr depends a lot on the mmr of your team.

Also, for solo queue, modify the matchmaking system to, once and for all, make individual skill count. Since at the end of the day, that’s what SOLO queue is about!

Yeah, yeah, there will be longer queues, but you know what? It’s not the worst thing in the world! Also, there are more new players now. I don’t think it will be as big a problem as it was in the past.

JTGuevara.9018:

Let’s cut through the myths. PvP leagues have failed spectacularly. Deep down, everyone knows this. It’s time to be brutally honest about the PvP situation. It’s time to stop protecting it. It’s time to stop pretending.

sigh
Just because you make a billion posts about how trash the system is (which is basically the same system used by every team based competitive game), it does not make your phantasm true.
Look at a some actual numbers like twitch viewership on pvp streams. Because this number doubled since the begining of this season. That sure is a proof that the league is an absolute failure, right?

Agree full solo q and team q. No one cares about this inaccurate leaderboards its only accurate if you have a skilled duo partner but even at highest rating they are hacking their way to top abusing system and paying players to dc and lose game for their team and using other tricks to “top rating for ego”

Otherwise its an inaccurate garbage in solo/duo mix q a full solo player unable to reach highest levels so its garbage. Its made for peoples that have a skilled friend so they can farm together to top leaderboard, but its not for solo players really they cant compete with duo q’ers.

Spoichiche.1290:

JTGuevara.9018:

Let’s cut through the myths. PvP leagues have failed spectacularly. Deep down, everyone knows this. It’s time to be brutally honest about the PvP situation. It’s time to stop protecting it. It’s time to stop pretending.

sigh
Just because you make a billion posts about how trash the system is (which is basically the same system used by every team based competitive game), it does not make your phantasm true.
Look at a some actual numbers like twitch viewership on pvp streams. Because this number doubled since the begining of this season. That sure is a proof that the league is an absolute failure, right?

So, let’s see. You’re telling me that every competitive game lets their players manipulate the matchmaking system and leaderboard? Somehow I doubt that lol.

JTGuevara.9018:

Spoichiche.1290:

JTGuevara.9018:

Let’s cut through the myths. PvP leagues have failed spectacularly. Deep down, everyone knows this. It’s time to be brutally honest about the PvP situation. It’s time to stop protecting it. It’s time to stop pretending.

sigh
Just because you make a billion posts about how trash the system is (which is basically the same system used by every team based competitive game), it does not make your phantasm true.
Look at a some actual numbers like twitch viewership on pvp streams. Because this number doubled since the begining of this season. That sure is a proof that the league is an absolute failure, right?

So, let’s see. You’re telling me that every competitive game lets their players manipulate the matchmaking system and leaderboard? Somehow I doubt that lol.

Not all the top players need to cheat, if you want some indication of your skill level then watch Sindrener or Helseth and then try to duplicate what they do.

JTGuevara.9018:

Spoichiche.1290:

JTGuevara.9018:

Let’s cut through the myths. PvP leagues have failed spectacularly. Deep down, everyone knows this. It’s time to be brutally honest about the PvP situation. It’s time to stop protecting it. It’s time to stop pretending.

sigh
Just because you make a billion posts about how trash the system is (which is basically the same system used by every team based competitive game), it does not make your phantasm true.
Look at a some actual numbers like twitch viewership on pvp streams. Because this number doubled since the begining of this season. That sure is a proof that the league is an absolute failure, right?

So, let’s see. You’re telling me that every competitive game lets their players manipulate the matchmaking system and leaderboard? Somehow I doubt that lol.

That’s not what he/she said.

Rolisteel.1375:

Agree full solo q and team q. No one cares about this inaccurate leaderboards its only accurate if you have a skilled duo partner but even at highest rating they are hacking their way to top abusing system and paying players to dc and lose game for their team and using other tricks to “top rating for ego”

Otherwise its an inaccurate garbage in solo/duo mix q a full solo player unable to reach highest levels so its garbage. Its made for peoples that have a skilled friend so they can farm together to top leaderboard, but its not for solo players really they cant compete with duo q’ers.

I have no idea why duo was added and 5-man was taken out. It was a so-called “compromise” that didn’t address anything at all. 1-man and 5-man is all that’s needed.

More importantly, I have another suggestion: NO hard mmr reset. Just look at the damage a SOFT reset has done. We’ll get worse games.

The standard argument against team queue is that the queue times will be too long. Isn’t it up to the folks queuing to decide whether or not it is too long? Currently there is no team queue, so how would we know how long/short the queue times are.

FWIW I believe solo q should be exactly that, solo only. Team q (better named group q) should be for 2,3 or 5 man groups. Please note that I did not include 4 man for group queue, as a 4 man party would require a solo to make up numbers and this is not fair.

Solo q should at the very least attempt to offer some measure of solo skill rather than based on team w/l.

My 2C

You’re just mad coz you can’t seem to win without 4 other buddies. Or perhaps you don’t like the color of the dot next to your nameplate.
Just get better mang

Spoichiche.1290:

JTGuevara.9018:

Let’s cut through the myths. PvP leagues have failed spectacularly. Deep down, everyone knows this. It’s time to be brutally honest about the PvP situation. It’s time to stop protecting it. It’s time to stop pretending.

sigh
Just because you make a billion posts about how trash the system is (which is basically the same system used by every team based competitive game), it does not make your phantasm true.
Look at a some actual numbers like twitch viewership on pvp streams. Because this number doubled since the begining of this season. That sure is a proof that the league is an absolute failure, right?

That’s because it’s holidays, lol…

MissCee.1295:

The standard argument against team queue is that the queue times will be too long. Isn’t it up to the folks queuing to decide whether or not it is too long? Currently there is no team queue, so how would we know how long/short the queue times are.

FWIW I believe solo q should be exactly that, solo only. Team q (better named group q) should be for 2,3 or 5 man groups. Please note that I did not include 4 man for group queue, as a 4 man party would require a solo to make up numbers and this is not fair.

Solo q should at the very least attempt to offer some measure of solo skill rather than based on team w/l.

My 2C

Yes exactly!

What I remember from the old solo queue is the matchmaking. For the most part, the scores were competitive. (500-400) (500-350) There wasn’t this discrepancy and distortion like there is today. Losses like (500-150) (500-200) (60-500) are more common. I’ve realized, the source of all this matchmaking distortion comes from mixed queues. When solo queue is mixed with duo, 3-man or 5-man queue you get unbalanced matches.

And yes, you’re right, the argument against team queue just doesn’t hold anymore. I don’t think it will be that big a problem. I say this because there are more players now than then. Bring it back, this is a team game. Let’s treat it as such.

I’d like to see Team Tournaments again. Like it was at release. 8 Teams 3 Rounds.

They should make it Round Robin format though. Each team plays 3 times on 3 maps. Winner has best record, and so on.

Also, I think this season is a great step in the right direction. Let’s build from here rather than back to square 1 again.

hackks.3687:

I’d like to see Team Tournaments again. Like it was at release. 8 Teams 3 Rounds.

They should make it Round Robin format though. Each team plays 3 times on 3 maps. Winner has best record, and so on.

Also, I think this season is a great step in the right direction. Let’s build from here rather than back to square 1 again.

I’d definitely like tournaments! To do this day, I don’t why they were taken away.

I wasn’t around back in the good ol’ days. Was so disappointed when I found out there used to be regular in-game tournaments. Obviously Anet are not familiar with the saying “if ain’t broke don’t fix it”. Think they must be working on a new adage “if its broken, let’s keep using it.”

In game Tournament was the most disgusting idea they ever put in and call it competitive. Where are those emails/mail? perhaps Invitations with loveable letters? wear a jacket put those underwear brand patch both sleeves?. This generation of competency in an MMORPG is clearly amateurish.

MissCee.1295:

I wasn’t around back in the good ol’ days. Was so disappointed when I found out there used to be regular in-game tournaments. Obviously Anet are not familiar with the saying “if ain’t broke don’t fix it”. Think they must be working on a new adage “if its broken, let’s keep using it.”

Yes, we had a few “organisations” (including mine with 2 others called Academy Gaming in EU) that organized 5v5 every week. It got streamed and was supported by Anet by weekly gem-prizes. (2k gems for each player in winning team, 1200 and 800 respectiverly)

But for some reason, it kinda lost attraction, probably due off-season period being very calm and lots of people playing other games.
Also Academy Gaming (now only for NA) has aimed more towards Overwatch, it seems.

If I had the chance to do it all over again, I would but I really lack the time and energy to organize everything from the ground up again.

It took a month or 2 to have fully operating tournemant, with helpfull people as admins helping to PM everyone and get 4 arenas together, with each a watching eye from an admin.

Oh I didn’t realise AG was still going in NA. Cos I’m in Australia the time diff has made it very hard for me to play. Then I heard it had ALL stopped. Must try to figure out way to get in and play.

MissCee.1295:

Oh I didn’t realise AG was still going in NA. Cos I’m in Australia the time diff has made it very hard for me to play. Then I heard it had ALL stopped. Must try to figure out way to get in and play.

Well, the last tournament AG did for GW2 was 30th of November so Im not sure whats up with it now.

I did not keep in touch with Storm so you gotta ask him when he’s online on his stream. (https://www.twitch.tv/gamewithstorm)

He’s in charge of AG NA

SoloQ should be separate from teamQ.
In teamQ – avalible teams should be only 2,3,and 5.
In soloQ- avalible only without party with no class stack(max can be 2 for only 1 profession in team)

I am more solo player, but honestly I miss some team play. If you make 2 leaderboards for solo and team, then you meaby satisfy more players.

It’s only idea. Btw: This seasson isn’t bad, but not great. You can push spvp at better level, gl

SoloQ leaderboard: Solo players have chance to top leaderboards your rating will still have rng but atleast everyone plays in rng without advantage which is more fair to everyone than duo/solo mixed together in a league.
TeamQ leaderboard: It would be very accurate at showing which team is the best.

No class stacking

This also solve the issue you default lose games with 2 random thieves etc.

Rolisteel.1375:

SoloQ leaderboard
TeamQ leaderboard

No class stack
This also solve the issue you default lose the game with 2 random thieves etc.

That’s what I have been hoping for last couple of years but ppl complain queue time might be too long. While 1-2mins longer is not really an issue for me.

Terrorsquad.2349:

Rolisteel.1375:

SoloQ leaderboard
TeamQ leaderboard

No class stack
This also solve the issue you default lose the game with 2 random thieves etc.

That’s what I have been hoping for last couple of years but ppl complain queue time might be too long. While 1-2mins longer is not really an issue for me.

For me too. Why don’t try it? :-) in next seasson make this experiment. Or only think about this. I must say that devs doing really good work. If they keep up with upgrading pvp, listen community feedbacks, then they can make really great pvp format.

I don’t mean to do what we want, only pay attention what community want. Make soloq and teamq – 2 separated pvp formats should be interesting change. Nobody tell you if this is step forward or back – you will know it after community feedback.

I think the current system for ranked is pretty good. Protects solo players and also protects classes which are dependent on support to have an effect on the game (necro) without creating too much domination by large premade groups.

I think ingame tournaments which ask for full teams could be fun but would require more work- specifically, live viewing ingame. Maybe with a delay of some kind to prevent abuse. I think being able to watch high-level players in actual play, in-game without needing to use outside resources, could be a good way to help people up their game.

I fully support ranked pvp being Solo Queue and Team Queue. However, Team Queue should be 5v5 only. There is no reason to throw in 2 and 3 man groups into the mix. Also, giving Team Queue better rewards than Solo Queue could help to provide incentive to play it and help keep queue times low. After all, Team Queue requires players to be good enough to be wanted on a team, put in the effort to form and coordinate with a team, and is more of a challenge since you are fighting against organized teams and not random players that were thrown together.

David.5974:

only pay attention what community want.

Supply and demand? i don’t think they will like it.

Spoichiche.1290:

JTGuevara.9018:

Let’s cut through the myths. PvP leagues have failed spectacularly. Deep down, everyone knows this. It’s time to be brutally honest about the PvP situation. It’s time to stop protecting it. It’s time to stop pretending.

sigh
Just because you make a billion posts about how trash the system is (which is basically the same system used by every team based competitive game), it does not make your phantasm true.

And all other team game’s matchmaking are bad to be honest, simply by design.
How is the outcome of a game able to give you an individual rating?! It’s like being fired because your workmates are too late while you were amongst the ones that showed up in time. And then your next boss is declining your job interview because you had been fired for that. And this builds up and up.

There are too many things that bother me in every game, and no one and nothing can calculate things like: Premade handicaps, impact of leave®s, language barriers (especially on EU), “lags” (which I never have, but still people feed and claim it’s their ping) and all that nonsense.

I often hear the matchmaking works, then I see games that are ridiculously bad. They swing back and forth from one extreme to another. What is that matchmaking supposed to learn from that? GAME A had a little more rating, so losing is a very tiny bit worse, but then you win super hard and all that “experience” of the system is basically down the drain? Having premades that feed but the enemy gets a 3-premade that does well – even in the games before?

All this nonsense in all the time of my PvP gameplay in my life is what really destroyed my faith in any matchmaking system UNTIL it’s either full team (and ALWAYS the same players) or full SoloQ. Everything in between contains guessing, and if you guess 500 games, you create too much of a blurr.

Excelsior.

Shaogin.2679:

I fully support ranked pvp being Solo Queue and Team Queue. However, Team Queue should be 5v5 only. There is no reason to throw in 2 and 3 man groups into the mix. Also, giving Team Queue better rewards than Solo Queue could help to provide incentive to play it and help keep queue times low. After all, Team Queue requires players to be good enough to be wanted on a team, put in the effort to form and coordinate with a team, and is more of a challenge since you are fighting against organized teams and not random players that were thrown together.

Yes. There’s really not much of reason to have 2-man and 3-man teams, just have 5-man. More importantly, having 2 and 3 man teams directly harm solo queuers by mixing the queues and ruin the matchmaking system.