Guild Wars 2

F2 ability does 5,000+ damage.

Other classes have been addressed stating they had “slightly too much burst”

This is one of those cases and needs to be addressed.

learn to dodge.

Easy to dodge/block most of the burst, plus it was recently nerfed. Could always focus the pet if you’re struggling, it’s pretty glassy

Its been adjusted already…Its a channeled ability…It’s damaged is reduced MASSIVELY by the use of protection…weakness…evading…ccing the pet while its channeling (puts it on an extended cooldown)… Reflection (negates it 100%)…

It also deals less damage the further away you are from the target (the skill spreads the shells out over distance. Making this more of a shotgun spray than a machine gun and like a shotgun its most powerful in close quarters compared to a rifle(the auto attack is closer to a rifle)). The projectiles can be strafed causing you to take minimal damage.

I usually take less than a thousand damage from a bristleback burst. And that is largely because I know what to look for (I have used them to kill people and in the past been killed by them). All it takes is to learn what it does and how to mitigate it.

Exactly the same as evading things like mirror blade for example. The first time you get mirror bladed its like “HOLY kitten what just happened” but once you learn it it stops being scary. Theres a dozen things you can do to stop it from functioning that are EASY.

Figure out how the skill works and youl realize you probably have a dozen things in your armory to stop it from hurting anywhere NEAR as badly.

…Or you can stand in it and die…that works too.

funny how people still complain about bristleback which is blockable/ evadeable even for a monkey.
But sure let’s complain about bristleback when rev sword 2# on a 4 sec cd isn’t touched for another season.

“It’s still working so let’s whine about it till it gets butchered”

- Guild Wars 2 PvP Forums

Storms Fury.9307:

F2 ability does 5,000+ damage.

Other classes have been addressed stating they had “slightly too much burst”

This is one of those cases and needs to be addressed.

It already got nerfed because of complaints. The kitten attack is avoidable, requires all of the projectiles to hit to do decent damage, and requires direct line of sight. Let’s not even mention how easy it is to kill pets or the fact that the pet is rooted in place when it’s using that skill.

Can you tell us your desired class so that if this gets nerfed again we can complain about a random skill you have that deals insane damage? Because kitten near every class has a skill that deals heavy damage, some that are tied with the class mechanic skills like the Rangers pet. You don’t see Mesmers Shatters constantly getting complaints and they can hit considerably harder on a lower cooldown.

Yep. Was nerfed. Seems alright now.

Funny, I see smoke scale being used more.

5k is unacceptable.

2-3k is acceptable.

End of Story.

Storms Fury.9307:

5k is unacceptable.

2-3k is acceptable.

End of Story.

Dodge once and it becomes 2-3k

SqualZell.7813:

Storms Fury.9307:

5k is unacceptable.

2-3k is acceptable.

End of Story.

Dodge once and it becomes 2-3k

Move at a 45 degree angle to it and be comes 0

Shadelang.3012:

SqualZell.7813:

Storms Fury.9307:

5k is unacceptable.

2-3k is acceptable.

End of Story.

Dodge once and it becomes 2-3k

Move at a 45 degree angle to it and be comes 0

WASD op pls nerf

We should nerf any attack that does 5k damage or more because OP can’t dodge or use WASD. Except OPs main class.. We should definitively buff that one. /sarcasm

ermm…..
the main point isnt abt dodging or blocking and then solve it
dodge block = use a skill or endurance bar
then u still have look out for other damaging attacks

though i personal does not have major problem with bristleback

SkyShroud.2865:

ermm…..
the main point isnt abt dodging or blocking and then solve it
dodge block = use a skill or endurance bar
then u still have look out for other damaging attacks

though i personal does not have major problem with bristleback

The point is it has already been nerfed by 25%, yet people still want more? Just delete the ranger class then.

Storms Fury.9307:

5k is unacceptable.

2-3k is acceptable.

End of Story.

2k? In WvW I can go on a full Nomad Guardian and fart out higher damage than that.

SkyShroud.2865:

then u still have look out for other damaging attacks

That’s the whole point of sPvP or WvW, being competent enough to look out for attacks and choose which ones to dodge.

Fact is, this attack is easily avoidable and well telegraphed if you’re looking at your enemies.

Storms Fury.9307:

5k is unacceptable.

2-3k is acceptable.

End of Story.

And no…no its NOT the end of the story. Its exactly that attitude that gets entire play styles BUTCHERED. You can NOT simply make a blanket statement on balance. Or on ANYTHING in life. It doesn’t work.

There are so MANY variables involved in this skill that you saying this is LUDICROUS.

Its a channeled ability. Meaning it doesn’t even have a noticeable effect at first. It has to COMPLETE the channel successfully in order to even launch the attack properly. If you pvpd for even a few games you should know how easy it is to have something like that be ACCIDENTALLY interfered with.

It deals more damage close up than further away. Meaning your 5k statement is only true at POINT BLANK RANGE. The further you are away from it the less damage you will take. Also it shows you don’t even know how much dmg the skill actually does. It can do way more and way LESS damage depending on the build…boon uptime and proc use. (Like whether there running BM. Whether the ranger is above or below 90% health for the alpha training damage boost. Whether the pet has quickness to make the attack more likely to hit. How many stacks of vuln are active)

The skill is a medium speed projectile. Meaning it can be STRAFED. the f2 does not track after the shot has been fired like the auto attack. The auto attack acts like the necro life blast in a way in that it can turn to hit the target a little bit. The f2 does NOT do that after the shot has been fired. Only the initial aiming tracks (as its firing. But once the spine leaves the body its unguided). This means that moving at an angle towards or away from the bristleback (wider angle if your moving towards) will make sure NONE of the rounds hit you. Also since it is a projectile the projectiles themselves can be REFLECTED and DESTROYED.

Since its a multi hit attack things like weakness have a much higher chance of mitigating the damage. So even if your getting hit. Applying weakness to it as its firing WILL keep you alive. Or you can just stun it. Or fear it. Or launch it. Or knock it down. If the druid is going for a max damage bristleback f2. The pet WILL be in melee range.

And now we get to how its best used. The bristleback f2 is best used after the opponent has been locked down. Or when there commited to an offence. At ALL OTHER TIMES this skill is unlikely to have a significant effect. This skill is entirely about its POTENTIAL burst. Making sure it lands is the job of the druid just like every other potential burst skill in the game (things like wells,meteor shower, etc… things that take time to have there full effect or require multiple effects)

The ONLY reason you have ANY excuse to dieing to a bristleback f2 alone. Is if your being pinned by CC. In EVERY other situation you got outplayed because you simply weren’t paying attention or didn’t think to save something for what you HAD to know was coming.

Nearly every ranger/druid in the game has the bristleback. Its like the old wolf. Back hten everyone fighting a ranger new they had a pocket fear. Now you know every ranger has a pocket burst. Whether you do something about it is up to you… or you can keep making one size fits all statements without any backing. Im done.

Indeed, never mind the half dozen ways you can protect yourself. Since 5k damage is unacceptable we should just remove zerk, and marauder amulets too, oh and knights just to be sure.

EDIT: Don’t forget valkyrie…gotta cover all our bases ya know.