Guild Wars 2

Nova Stiker.8396:

Quintoozla.7893:

Nova Stiker.8396:

Quintoozla.7893:

Nova Stiker.8396:

Yasi.9065:

Chaith.8256:

I’ve seen 16khp players insta die to Glyph of the Tides -> Ancient Seeds proc, -> F2. Losing to Cele Druid in 4 seconds. Really, Bristleback has too much burst potential, everyone thinks this, but few are able to really hit that home with any consistency.

Both conquest and stronghold have enough obstacles to dodge behind. Yes, I know… its a pain… but when I engage a druid I always have either reflect on ready and up as soon as he switches to bristleback.
Or, when playing a build without reflect, I position myself in a way that makes it easy for me to duck behind a corner/wall/fence/tree/rock/outcropping/whatever.

Bristlebacks do NOT resposition themselves for a clear line of sight to target. Its their biggest weakness.

But of course, most of the time Im still using them as a druid, because the amount of players that duck/reflect the attack is so small…. thanks to anet’s “pvp for casuals” policy.

Im all for letting bristleback stay as it is. Its a wonderful training excercise for new/bad players that gets immediatly punished when failing.

But of course, thats also why anet will change the attack, dumb it down even more so bad players stop complaining and can win without learning a thing. Tunnelvisiont ftw.

/edit:
Btw? Bristleback is pretty much useless after his F2 and can be ignored then. Its dmg is significantly lower if F2 isnt activated immediatly after swapping pets. Getting the picture now?
Really, reading this thread is like watching 70% of all pvp players tunnelvision their way to close, just to die there because they didnt look on minimap and realize… oh kitten, theres 3 enemies on close, Im gonna be all alone there. No, they run there nonetheless with “killkillkillkillkill” faces. I think I said it before but…. tunnelvision ftw.

No player should abandon a point just to avoid a pet minigun. If anything I’d rather players die keeping a point than try to outbunker a druid while being decapped for 2 minutes.

And Bristleback is useless after F2? How? I always press F4 immediately after.

By that logic no player should abandon the point due to necro/mesmer wells or dh traps either. Just die on point.

You fail to understand 1 pet skill trade =/= 3-4 utilities trade.

I perfectly understand that you want pets to be a bunch of pixels able to be ignored.

I perfectly understand you want your pet to do all your damage for you.

Sigh. Not by a mile. I don´t even use bristleback. All it needs is the spike number fixed. Still remaining a threat to be considered. These forums are just hilarious. Now when you can´t demant nerfs to mesmers anymore, the good old ranger gets the hate. The season is over and suddenly ranger pets are OP. Lol where were you 2 months ago.

Too Funny…I main a Ranger….I do run Bristleback as well as a River Drake…I do more damage with the Drake than the Bristle yet all are here complaining about the new Pet. I have yet to hit for over 15K with the Bristle but routinely line up Drakes for that much….and the Drake is an AE Tailswipe NOT single target…Drake is also their normal attack and not the F2 (hint: more to a pet than the F2)

See Sig for Vid of Drake in action…

And yes, I played my current build/spec to Diamond in Ranked with similar results…

yeah-yeah, bristleback is really op in terms of burst, ok, you guys are only trying to be fair, right. But for some reason I don’t remember any of you complainig about the late underperforming pre-HoT power rangers with ignorable pets. So now you deserve it, bitshes!

This aint about someone skills in this game,nor about what class what build they play.Aint about druid and balance about em.Aint about wvw/pve.Aint about great tips on how to dodge/reflect/cc or kill the pet.Aint about hate towards anything,and surely not against virtual pet of virtual class or hate towards players using it.

Ofcourse we can talk about all the situational things around it,but this is geting into silly flame wars.

On side note,a friend of mine,told me,there will be some balancing of this pet,so we may fill pages for no reason,but still back to main goal of this thread.

Bristleback speciall attack dmg.I believe its insane high DMG for a pet,not even comparable to kill shot,which is already pretty sad comparison.If anyone would be so nice and post the words “bristleback special attack dmg” with big fat words,so this simple message gets into thick skulls,i would be thankfull.

You can’t easily kill a druid or ranger pet, and they can just swap pets without impunity. So your only strategy in defeating rangers is to ignore the pet.

This is the whole problem. A fix would be any damage, condition, cc a ranger takes always effects the pet.

If a ranger is feared so is the pet and I am talking about baseline.

Warlord.9074:

You can’t easily kill a druid or ranger pet, and they can just swap pets without impunity. So your only strategy in defeating rangers is to ignore the pet.

This is the whole problem. A fix would be any damage, condition, cc a ranger takes always effects the pet.

If a ranger is feared so is the pet and I am talking about baseline.

Omg. I’m lost for words.

Sarlack.4096:

Too Funny…I main a Ranger….I do run Bristleback as well as a River Drake…I do more damage with the Drake than the Bristle yet all are here complaining about the new Pet. I have yet to hit for over 15K with the Bristle but routinely line up Drakes for that much….and the Drake is an AE Tailswipe NOT single target…Drake is also their normal attack and not the F2 (hint: more to a pet than the F2)

See Sig for Vid of Drake in action…

And yes, I played my current build/spec to Diamond in Ranked with similar results…

Tail swipe isn’t ranged.

OGDeadHead.8326:

Warlord.9074:

You can’t easily kill a druid or ranger pet, and they can just swap pets without impunity. So your only strategy in defeating rangers is to ignore the pet.

This is the whole problem. A fix would be any damage, condition, cc a ranger takes always effects the pet.

If a ranger is feared so is the pet and I am talking about baseline.

Omg. I’m lost for words.

lol, just take it as how is the class perceived by those who have never played it :P

You can just kill the bristleback… then you don’t have to fight it for a full minute. You can kill a druid in a minute… this is a learn to play issue.

Eurantien.4632:

You can just kill the bristleback… then you don’t have to fight it for a full minute. You can kill a druid in a minute… this is a learn to play issue.

I tried to reflect the bristleback spike barrage. Sadly, it only reflected to deal 60 to 90 damage (crits), down from 1200 on me. I also tried the Air Overload (I am marauder Tempest), and, it would not cleave down the pet either. And if I try focusing the pet, I am worried that I won’t be able to ‘block’ the Smokescale’s knockdown (which deals 6k crits and is unblockable). Hey, most of the time, the druid simply recalls the pet, and I lost so many cooldowns that I need to bail out.

Recalling pet is not too hard. It’s instant just like swapping to Earth Attunement.

If you druid players were as skilled as you seem to believe you are then you shouldnt have a problem being able to win without bristleback doing a majority of your damage, you have like 30 other pets that never get used anymore because of this pet, and your going to try and pretend that bristleback is balanced?

So many biased bads its not even funny.

Kayberz.5346:

If you druid players were as skilled as you seem to believe you are then you shouldnt have a problem being able to win without bristleback doing a majority of your damage, you have like 30 other pets that never get used anymore because of this pet, and your going to try and pretend that bristleback is balanced?

So many biased bads its not even funny.

lolololol This is about the most idiotic comment ive ever read. I literally don’t even know where to start on this one so ill just lol and move on.

Floplag.4032:

Kayberz.5346:

If you druid players were as skilled as you seem to believe you are then you shouldnt have a problem being able to win without bristleback doing a majority of your damage, you have like 30 other pets that never get used anymore because of this pet, and your going to try and pretend that bristleback is balanced?

So many biased bads its not even funny.

lolololol This is about the most idiotic comment ive ever read. I literally don’t even know where to start on this one so ill just lol and move on.

- dude brings up reasonable comment.

- bad in denial calls it idiotic.

- all is the same in the universe.

SlayerSixx.5763:

Sarlack.4096:

Too Funny…I main a Ranger….I do run Bristleback as well as a River Drake…I do more damage with the Drake than the Bristle yet all are here complaining about the new Pet. I have yet to hit for over 15K with the Bristle but routinely line up Drakes for that much….and the Drake is an AE Tailswipe NOT single target…Drake is also their normal attack and not the F2 (hint: more to a pet than the F2)

See Sig for Vid of Drake in action…

And yes, I played my current build/spec to Diamond in Ranked with similar results…

Tail swipe isn’t ranged.

True, but I didn’t realize ranged was a required criteria in this thread, also TS is a Single Hit…yes can be countered but unloads WAY more damage in a single hit.

SlayerSixx.5763:

Floplag.4032:

Kayberz.5346:

If you druid players were as skilled as you seem to believe you are then you shouldnt have a problem being able to win without bristleback doing a majority of your damage, you have like 30 other pets that never get used anymore because of this pet, and your going to try and pretend that bristleback is balanced?

So many biased bads its not even funny.

lolololol This is about the most idiotic comment ive ever read. I literally don’t even know where to start on this one so ill just lol and move on.

- dude brings up reasonable comment.

- bad in denial calls it idiotic.

- all is the same in the universe.

It is an idiotic comment because the other pets aren’t used because they’re bad. They don’t hit anything. If they could hit people reliably then people would use them. Is it a coincidence that bristleback and smokescale reliably hit enemies in comparison to the other pets? The pets are more likely to actually hit people, therefore doing more damage, and thus are superior.

Sarlack.4096:

SlayerSixx.5763:

Sarlack.4096:

Too Funny…I main a Ranger….I do run Bristleback as well as a River Drake…I do more damage with the Drake than the Bristle yet all are here complaining about the new Pet. I have yet to hit for over 15K with the Bristle but routinely line up Drakes for that much….and the Drake is an AE Tailswipe NOT single target…Drake is also their normal attack and not the F2 (hint: more to a pet than the F2)

See Sig for Vid of Drake in action…

And yes, I played my current build/spec to Diamond in Ranked with similar results…

Tail swipe isn’t ranged.

True, but I didn’t realize ranged was a required criteria in this thread, also TS is a Single Hit…yes can be countered but unloads WAY more damage in a single hit.

Shadow is annoying because UA is annoying (and the unlockable knockdown).

Bristle is doubly annoying because its basically a sentry gun.

Sure, drake does some serious damage, but its not like the other two.

This topic is funny. All ranger here say " Bristle its OK, old pets are much better"
Question is Why 98% Rangers use only this two new pets when old pets are much stronger ?

Who says, old pets are better?

Evilek.5690:

This topic is funny. All ranger here say " Bristle its OK, old pets are much better"
Question is Why 98% Rangers use only this two new pets when old pets are much stronger ?

because they don t need brain to be used.

Where are the mods now? Lock this thread now please, I’m sick of the stupidity here.

If pets are doing so much from the result of hitting (Bristle being ranged; Smokescale having a blink attack), maybe the other pets should be have reworks to get to their level.

or they should nerf bristle and smokescale

or they should nerf bristle and smokescale

vlad.4871:

or they should nerf bristle and smokescale

So that you could return to ignoring pets?

Alekt.5803:

If pets are doing so much from the result of hitting (Bristle being ranged; Smokescale having a blink attack), maybe the other pets should be have reworks to get to their level.

Hmm lets see, whats a more reasonable approach, rework about 30-40 different pets OR rework just 2?

Quintoozla.7893:

vlad.4871:

or they should nerf bristle and smokescale

So that you could return to ignoring pets?

they only classes that can ignore pets is bunkers and they won’t exist after patch~

Kayberz.5346:

Alekt.5803:

If pets are doing so much from the result of hitting (Bristle being ranged; Smokescale having a blink attack), maybe the other pets should be have reworks to get to their level.

Hmm lets see, whats a more reasonable approach, rework about 30-40 different pets OR rework just 2?

How about rework ranger, remove pets and bring them back as an elite.

Cynz.9437:

Quintoozla.7893:

vlad.4871:

or they should nerf bristle and smokescale

So that you could return to ignoring pets?

they only classes that can ignore pets is bunkers and they won’t exist after patch~

Don’t underestimate the future bunkers.

Kayberz.5346:

Alekt.5803:

If pets are doing so much from the result of hitting (Bristle being ranged; Smokescale having a blink attack), maybe the other pets should be have reworks to get to their level.

Hmm lets see, whats a more reasonable approach, rework about 30-40 different pets OR rework just 2?

Yeah lets nerf the 2 pets into the ground so that all the pets could be trash tier useless. After all rangers are supposed to be free kills. They cant have nice things.

we don’t have an issue with pets being strong as long as the pet owner isn’t too strong. Right now its both.

ANET has to make a choice leave pets how they are and nerf rangers or nerf pets. Have your pick because you can’t have both.

To the person saying in other mmos with pets they don’t have the same problems thats not true at all. It’s always a problem in other MMOs but usually the problem isn;t in PVP its PVE. With pet classes being able to solo content that non pet classes need groups for.

The reason they don’t complain about pets in those games about being insanely strong is because the pet owner essentially are pet clerics and the pet tanks for them and they are weak as heck.

Bristleback is primary-stat toughness. BM + Bark skin + CD + druid heals + SoS makes the thing absurdly difficult to take down.

I push close to 3k power in sPvP and 220 crit damage on my thief on an additional 68% extra damage modifiers and can’t kill the thing on Mug + CnD + Backstab + HS + HS. Put simply, this hits the heavy golem for 3k + 5k + 13k +11k + 11k That’s a huge amount of damage.

More extreme, I run 4k power in WvW and 261 crit damage and still can’t kill it. I’ve one-shotted warriors before with backstabs over 20k.

To achieve this damage, I expend all of my escapes, utilities, elite, steal, heal, and initiative, while running DPH gear.

When it spikes for 15k+ and the druid sacrifices no defenses for it, there’s an issue.

Smokescale is kinda whatever – it’s a real pain and probably does a bit more than it should, but it’s manageable. I’d argue the damage immunity field is more frustrating than SA. The bristleback, though… it’s just wildly over-tuned.

Tyrian pets do need a lot of love. Most of them are pretty much just straight-up horrible, but this comes largely from a lot of useless skills, bad pathing, slow animations, and lack of synergy overall. Would be nice to see some variety, but that’s not happening until Bristleback loses some damage. Pets should complement the ranger, and the druid should be able to ramp his pets into being the primary threats. It’s a bit overboard right now on the bristleback, most notably from the ~1500 range bit (physics projectiles), though.

^proof, please.

DeceiverX.8361:

Bristleback is primary-stat toughness. BM + Bark skin + CD + druid heals + SoS makes the thing absurdly difficult to take down.

I push close to 3k power in sPvP and 220 crit damage on my thief on an additional 68% extra damage modifiers and can’t kill the thing on Mug + CnD + Backstab + HS + HS. Put simply, this hits the heavy golem for 3k + 5k + 13k +11k + 11k That’s a huge amount of damage.

More extreme, I run 4k power in WvW and 261 crit damage and still can’t kill it. I’ve one-shotted warriors before with backstabs over 20k.

To achieve this damage, I expend all of my escapes, utilities, elite, steal, heal, and initiative, while running DPH gear.

When it spikes for 15k+ and the druid sacrifices no defenses for it, there’s an issue.

Smokescale is kinda whatever – it’s a real pain and probably does a bit more than it should, but it’s manageable. I’d argue the damage immunity field is more frustrating than SA. The bristleback, though… it’s just wildly over-tuned.

Tyrian pets do need a lot of love. Most of them are pretty much just straight-up horrible, but this comes largely from a lot of useless skills, bad pathing, slow animations, and lack of synergy overall. Would be nice to see some variety, but that’s not happening until Bristleback loses some damage. Pets should complement the ranger, and the druid should be able to ramp his pets into being the primary threats. It’s a bit overboard right now on the bristleback, most notably from the ~1500 range bit (physics projectiles), though.

maybe learn how ranger traits work? barkskin states that the damage reduction is active while the ranger’s health is over 90%, so if you just try to kill the pet without damaging the ranger you face an additional 50% damage reduction for the pet

Go into the Heart of the Mists and test it yourself. The lightning storm does insane damage, and since the pet can’t dodge and doesn’t move out of AoE it’s as huge risk.

Which is easily the biggest weakness to having your burst connected to an AI. The AI won’t proactively defend itself or relocate when it’s current position is compromised. As a ranger you can either switch the pet out which puts it on a 15 second cooldown, tell it to stop attacking and return to you, or change targets and hope the pet moves.

lol the bristleback has 3048 thoughness and 23261 hp
it’s basically a warrior with soldier amulet that shots you from 1200 range with a homing hundred blades every twelve seconds.

and it also has a pocket healer by his side(the druid)

it’s a losing battle to try and kill the bristleback, only hope to win is with a cc-chain on the druid

Um. It has 16,243 HP. And that is with Beastmastery.

It’s health pool is split between PVE and PVP like all other pets.

Ehecatl.9172:

Um. It has 16,243 HP. And that is with Beastmastery.

It’s health pool is split between PVE and PVP like all other pets.

the tab says 2361 vitality isn’t that supposed to scale with hp pool 1:10 ?

The HP of our pets is cut in half in SPVP so they aren’t too tanky.

Take your Bristleback into Heart of the Mists. It will have 16,243 HP. At least with the buff from Beastmastery. Less without.

Ehecatl.9172:

The HP of our pets is cut in half in SPVP so they aren’t too tanky.

Take your Bristleback into Heart of the Mists. It will have 16,243 HP. At least with the buff from Beastmastery. Less without.

Ofc same armor like bunker Guardian and more HP and DPS in s PvP GJ =)

There is DPS test

1 – Bristle DPS only – 1300/1620 DPS
2 – Bunker Guardian with Staff – Cleric amulet – 860/920 DPS/Spike DPS
3 – Bunker Guardian with GS – Cleric amulet – 1280/1320 DPS

Guardian Armor 3242 and 12895 HP
Bristle Toughness without Armor stats 3348 and 16243 Hp !!!

This is balance !

Koru.8574:

lol this is a major l2p issue…there r reflects blocks ..weakness? dodgedip?duckdive….dodge???

did u stand still n say oooo shower me wit ur spikes ol bristleback

l2p before u post

So can I have my 15k backstabs back, then?

MarauderShields.6830:

So can I have my 15k backstabs back, then?

This is fair since the thief only role is +1, aka they are pets.

stof.9341:

MarauderShields.6830:

So can I have my 15k backstabs back, then?

This is fair since the thief only role is +1, aka they are pets.

Spider pets > Thieves

The problem here is how flawed is the pet/minion/whatever mechanic, where the AI stats doesnt scale with your own stats(not all of them, there are a few exceptions that makes it even more flawed), but have them fixed. I have no problem working around a 15k dmg quickness minigun pet when fighting a power druid. The problem is when I get hit by 15k while fighting a celestial druid

Don’t those things melt faster with conditions?

Edit: I’d like pets/clones/minions count as kills on on-kill sigils.

MyPuppy.8970:

Don’t those things melt faster with conditions?

Edit: I’d like pets/clones/minions count as kills on on-kill sigils.

Then ppl should rally by killing them :p

Krysard.1364:

MyPuppy.8970:

Don’t those things melt faster with conditions?

Edit: I’d like pets/clones/minions count as kills on on-kill sigils.

Then ppl should rally by killing them :p

I think it happened with clones for a moment, a while ago. I like that idea though. Well maybe not for clones since they’re so squishy, but what about Necro/Ranger pets?

MyPuppy.8970:

Krysard.1364:

MyPuppy.8970:

Don’t those things melt faster with conditions?

Edit: I’d like pets/clones/minions count as kills on on-kill sigils.

Then ppl should rally by killing them :p

I think it happened with clones for a moment, a while ago. I like that idea though. Well maybe not for clones since they’re so squishy, but what about Necro/Ranger pets?

The idea makes sense, but there are a few problems:

1.Pets dont have downstate, which make it easier to kill them than a fellow player
2.Pets dont have the same deffensive mechanics/hp pool as a normal player, which make it easier to kill them too
3.Ranger hasnt the same control over himself than over the pet. This means that he cannot decied when the pet uses some skills, nor the positioning, which makes them easier to focus fire and so kill them.

So, bristleback is the new DS? nerf nerf nerf nerf .. jokes, I can see why are there so many rangers defending this with tooth and nails… gotta love thrending persecution, at the end there’s a slight truth behind all this otherwise the topic wouldn’t even come out…. smother outliers….. and boost …….SHATTERSTONE! :O

The first thing im gonna do is hop on ranger notes and see if anything was done to the pet.. if yes then i will hop one hour later to taste delicious tears of rangers that cannot be carried by pets anymore.

Evilek.5690:

Ehecatl.9172:

The HP of our pets is cut in half in SPVP so they aren’t too tanky.

Take your Bristleback into Heart of the Mists. It will have 16,243 HP. At least with the buff from Beastmastery. Less without.

Ofc same armor like bunker Guardian and more HP and DPS in s PvP GJ =)

There is DPS test

1 – Bristle DPS only – 1300/1620 DPS
2 – Bunker Guardian with Staff – Cleric amulet – 860/920 DPS/Spike DPS
3 – Bunker Guardian with GS – Cleric amulet – 1280/1320 DPS

Guardian Armor 3242 and 12895 HP
Bristle Toughness without Armor stats 3348 and 16243 Hp !!!

This is balance !

I think you missed the part where the bristleback can’t dodge or use any defensive skills at all. It can’t even remove conditions from itself. Want to kill the pet? Drop a condi bomb on it. The ranger basically has to switch out or it goes on a 60 second cooldown.

There is more to survival than numbers.

But of course that’s inconvenient to the point you’re trying to make.