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Posted by: RAIN.1238

RAIN.1238

So after looking over the leaderboards, and reading through quite a few posts, it seems that the PvP ranking system is worthless. I thought it would be a good challenge to try and work on my rank now that I’ve grown a liking to tPvP. I looked at the leaderboards and saw that I was in the 26%, which is pretty low. I don’t think I’m that bad, and am going to work kitten improving it. I then saw a guy ranked 7th on the leaderboards, with 13 wins. it might just be me, but I don’t feel that 13 wins is enough to put you in 7th place.

That being said, I would like to at least like to see a definite explanation of the rating system to show that it’s calculations are what I think a rating should be. Otherwise, they need to be reworked to reflect actual player skill, and not just lucky match wins.

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Posted by: Lopez.7369

Lopez.7369

How the system works is pretty obvious since it’s just a traditional rating system.

That guy with 13 wins beat the top teams in his region 13 times, so he deserves to be at the top.

That means you deserve to be 26 percentile, whether you agree with it or not.

With that said, there are some problems with the system that can cause huge fluctuations. For example, it’s possible to get a string of matches against premades and with really terrible teammates while solo queueing, which can easily cause someone’s rating to tank even when they don’t deserve it. In the long term, that kind of behavior does correct itself, but it’s annoying and skews the ratings in the short term when it happens.

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Posted by: RAIN.1238

RAIN.1238

Idk, I guess, but they could at least show us our ratings and what we’re up against. And when our rating is based off a team, it’s really hard to be accurate, that guy with 13 wins could have easily been carried those 13 games, and be no better or worse than someone in the 50 percentile.

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Posted by: Lopez.7369

Lopez.7369

It’s a team-based game, so obviously the ratings are going to reflect that. But I doubt someone was completely carried into beating the top teams 13 times.

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Posted by: Psychogene.6780

Psychogene.6780

That guy with 13 wins, well he deserves to be placed somewhere on the leaderboard if those 13 straight wins came against top ranked players. However, he does not deserve to stay at the top if he has not played in a long time (which seems to be the case here).

Obviously there needs to be some sort of decay introduced, as I don’t think that guy has played in over a month and yet is still in the top 20. It’d be like me achieving a top 5 ranking in any sport, then deciding to take a break (maybe never coming back) and still be ranked in the top 5 due to having done absolutely nothing. Its not really fair obviously to other players.

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Posted by: Archaon.6245

Archaon.6245

Yep leaderboards are totally worthless until they split solo and premades…just don’t give a kitten bout ladder and it’s ok, someday they’ll fix it….hopefully..

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Posted by: Masternewbz.4953

Masternewbz.4953

The guy with 13-0 probably beat some high ranked players.

If you are 26% , yes, you have no clue what this game is about and you should stop making excuses for not practicing and perfecting your game

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Posted by: Archaon.6245

Archaon.6245

The guy with 13-0 probably beat some high ranked players.

If you are 26% , yes, you have no clue what this game is about and you should stop making excuses for not practicing and perfecting your game

I can say i have a clue about what this game is…and again, yes…leaderboards are completely worthless right now…probably even more worthless than pvp ranks…‘nough said..there are dumb players around top and others really good but that can’t go premade all times (Going pug only) not even listed..

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Posted by: RAIN.1238

RAIN.1238

Perhaps I was 26th because I never really cared about my rating, and just messed around winning some and losing some. Since I started caring however, I’ve jumed to 34% with under 10 games played. About half of which were pug groups. It’s kind of hard to determine how good a person is when all that matters from the look of things is whether your team wins or loses. One player can’t carry a team, and it seems the case sometimes. Especially with akitten players in almost every match.

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Posted by: Archaon.6245

Archaon.6245

I usually go from around 250 to 95% depends if i run with pug or premade…some days i play with premade only and get up in no time some others i pug 10 times in row and get down to 800-95% ….this si not an individual ladder, if you want to get high positions (And keep them) you must go full premade only all times and stop playing while you’re high…but no thanks, i’d rather have fun also going pug if i want to…

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Posted by: KarlaGrey.5903

KarlaGrey.5903

Stomp pugs and lesser premades with a premade of your own + rinse and repeat + don’t solo que = high rank.

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Posted by: Decrypter.1785

Decrypter.1785

All the people in the top 1000 play in teams/guilds , all the people @ below 30% usually pug and just play to earn champion titles on the character really simple system lol . There needs to be 2 leaderboards a pug leaderboard and a guild/team leaderboard , and sep queues

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Posted by: Sprawl.3891

Sprawl.3891

The guy with 13-0 probably beat some high ranked players.

not really, he explained here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/so-the-guy-with-13-wins/first#post2018123

LOL, i finally find the password for this account.

This account belongs to my friend, he quit this game from the end of last year and never plays anymore.

I hired this account for 2 nights for my alt account, cuz my main account’s rank is pretty high and i cant troll my teammate anymore.

After 13 matches win(trolling) , i bought a new account later cuz my friend doesnt allow me to delete his chara(I BOUGHT A CHARA SLOT IN HIS ACCOUNT FOR MY ENGI FOR ONLY TWO DAYS!!! WTF). So that’s why I didnt play this account anymore.

For your information:
I beat a good team (for “good”, i mean their rank is high, like 10-50 or something, cant remember clearly) for once and some normal teams (like rank 100-500) for like 6 or 7 times, rest is pugs (maybe not, im not sure.)

As u can see, I didnt beat anyone between rank 1-10, but i got rank 7 when my rank first shown on the board.

LMAO What a nice joke.

so he beat one top 50 team, 6-7 top 500 teams and 5 pugs and is ranked top 10. Great system.

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Posted by: Shar.3402

Shar.3402

rating system kitten es me off
2 wins 1 loss → 108 positions lost, lol XD

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Posted by: Veydar.5017

Veydar.5017

I just lost three times in a row (once 4v5) and gained 1% to 89% or something

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Posted by: RAIN.1238

RAIN.1238

Maybe I’m just to used to SCII’s ranking system which is pretty boss IMO. But either way, the PvP leaderboards need some work. It’s kind of sad that it’s the best they came up with, and even more so, their pride in them.

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Posted by: Archaon.6245

Archaon.6245

rating system kitten es me off
2 wins 1 loss -> 108 positions lost, lol XD

7 wins 1 lost vs bads (dc) from 400 to 800…let’s talk about it, thx god i already don’t give a kitten bout that otherwise i would probably be upset..

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Posted by: Demonsoul.9271

Demonsoul.9271

You probably shouldn’t expect to get much higher than 50% if all you do is solo queue.

If all you do is team queue, welcome to top 1000.

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Posted by: XGhoul.7426

XGhoul.7426

You probably shouldn’t expect to get much higher than 50% if all you do is solo queue.

If all you do is team queue, welcome to top 1000.

team queue players mostly consist of top 1-500, 500+ becomes so volatile that in 3-4 games you can instantly go from 95% to 600 on solo queue (personal experience)