Guild Wars 2

Real pathetic, it isn’t even hard to macro that or do it manually.

Even “Pro” players like Phantaram is abusing it. Just sad and pathetic.

Watch Abjured justify this crap much like they justify celestial atm.

Nobody likes it, don’t hate the player, hate the game.

Not really fair for the game to provide an avenue to Stow your Mesmer Greatsword1 and attack faster, or Stow your Ele Dagger Air1 and get more healing.

There are other things that most people don’t know like you can remove the aftercast on Ele Dagger Earth2 by using the Earth3 leap. Removing the aftercast on Warrior Warhorn abilities, etc. There’s lots.

It’s unfortunately a pretty buggy game if you were to grab a magnifying glass.

These mechanics that become obvious as one plays a profession enough. At this point it doesn’t make sense to blame or call hax on a player for ditching a long aftercast when the game’s physics allow him to get around it.

A more constructive way to look at this would be: “Anet fix pls. Make aftercasts not so easily circumvented in this game if they’re there, enforce them.”

also if you press alt+f4 while autorunning it heals your for 10k HP

Sidequestion to fivegauge or if u ask your teammate nos.

Are there any similiar cancels for necro?

Flumek.9043:

Sidequestion to fivegauge or if u ask your teammate nos.

Are there any similiar cancels for necro?

Axe 1 can be stowed using Stow Weapon to get around the aftercast.

Nothing too useful though

Nice game. And the people that stream it are super pro mlg gamers too. This is esportz at its best.

lol if the game is broken, how can you expect people to not abuse it especially when there are no rules against it! Remember the Mesmer Chaos Storm fall damage bug! Good times!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

I’m totally enforcing doing it on mesmer. At least it adds a much needed source of damage to this game.
But doubling Ele’s sustain is just…

Of course. Players do everything in their power to make the game miserable, but let’s not blame them.

Actually, let’s.

If you find a player exploiting a bug, report both the player and the bug. Do not encourage other players to exploit the bug.

And don’t even think about replying “but everyone does it” or “ArenaNet doesn’t fix anything”. If you cheat to get on a cheater’s level, you deserve the same punishment.

Rangelost.4857:

Of course. Players do everything in their power to make the game miserable, but let’s not blame them.

Actually, let’s.

If you find a player exploiting a bug, report both the player and the bug. Do not encourage other players to exploit the bug.

And don’t even think about replying “but everyone does it” or “ArenaNet doesn’t fix anything”. If you cheat to get on a cheater’s level, you deserve the same punishment.

let’s report every single ele in tourneys…

Cynz.9437:

let’s report every single ele in tourneys…

Yes.

Instead of making matters worse, let’s try and get it dealt with properly. If “every single ele in tourneys” are deliberately exploiting a bug that gives them an unfair advantage over other players, they deserve the consequences that come with breaking the Rules of Conduct.

Rangelost.4857:

Cynz.9437:

let’s report every single ele in tourneys…

Yes.

Instead of making matters worse, let’s try and get it dealt with properly. If “every single ele in tourneys” are deliberately exploiting a bug that gives them an unfair advantage over other players, they deserve the consequences that come with breaking the Rules of Conduct.

Stowing lightning whip is not a bug. Many skills can be stowed during their animation. Cloak and Dagger can be stowed on thief for example. Mesmer can stow every Greatsword ability.

The reason stow lightning whip is a problem is that the skill fully activates part way through the animation. This allows you to trigger the signet far more frequently than you should be able to.

There are numerous ways to fix this problem, ANet just hasn’t. But to say that Stowing weapons during a skill animation is cheating is simply an opinion that in my opinion is invalid. If you weren’t meant to be able to cancel skill activations with weapon stow or escape, you wouldn’t be able to do so with any skill.

Edit added
The best skill to compare lightning whip and it’s behavior to is thief Dagger 1 chain part 1.

During double strike you can cancel the skill in between the two hits. There’s no good reason to do so, but the mechanics of canceling these two skills are identical. Again the reason lightning whip stow is a problem is signet of Restoration, not even anything to do with lightning whip. The player base will change its behavior when the ele’s mechanics are changed, because it’s not a bug. And even if you consider it a bug, then you are saying other parts of the game are bugged that have never been called bugged before.

Rangelost.4857:

Of course. Players do everything in their power to make the game miserable, but let’s not blame them.

Actually, let’s.

If you find a player exploiting a bug, report both the player and the bug. Do not encourage other players to exploit the bug.

And don’t even think about replying “but everyone does it” or “ArenaNet doesn’t fix anything”. If you cheat to get on a cheater’s level, you deserve the same punishment.

So according to you, Stow Lightning Whip/Spatial Surge/Warhorn abilities makes the game miserable.

And we’re to antagonize/punish the players as we would do to what, teleport hackers or something?

I see where you’re coming from but it just accomplishes nothing and serves the community like I would serve myself by shooting my own foot.

Punishing players for using the stow weapon feature on aftercast heavy abilities… how could Arenanet justify this if they can’t even justify taking steps to close off the obvious loophole in the game’s physics?

Doesn’t make sense at all to take action or direct angst towards players attempting to use their professions at maximum efficiency – without the use of Macros, mods, or otherwise. Do we ban the people who dare jump-dodge on stream next?

I’m aware that Phantaram abusing the bug couldn’t have largely contributed to the recent Abjured vs. DoD

However, if people are bug abusing something that literally gives you super advantage on stream such as healing around 250 hp every 1/3 of a second, they should just get flat out disqualified.

This doesn’t only apply to phanta though, ANET needs to really fix this crap ASAP and put a rule about exploits if they can’t fix it ASAP and it’s live streamed.

Also, you could say just stun the ele so they don’t use it. Guess what though? Perma-vigor and triple cantrips can have a million stun breaks and still deal damage. Triple cantrips has always been that way, easy to play and hard to screw up. And people still defend that crap even today. Just a bunch of low skill players who would be scared to get their easy mode taken away from them.

It’s not a bug. Not considered by the developers? Sure. But that includes a lot of other stuff in the game too.

People have been using the same exact mechanic since the beginning of the game.

Direct your mad somewhere else and not at the players.

Lets be honest the stow weapon thing is lame and just makes the game not fun on both ele and mesmer.

The reason it is lame is because balancing around such “exploits” (or whatever it is) is not possible. If they want to balance around it then they need to reduce the damage on mesmer GS and need to reduce the heal on ele heal signet.

But I dont think this is fair on the vast majority of the games population who just want to play and have fun and not have to worry about these exploits. Why should ele or mesmer be nerfed just to compensate for certain exploits? But the alternative is that you need to do something because this exploit is at least in part responsible for ele being the best class.

The only solution is to fix the exploit by increasing the cast time and removing the after cast. Or actually fix it by adding a cooldown to auto attacks that are interrupted.

It is kind of like the tornado res bug that used to exist and was rampant in team queue for a while. It sucked but those using it were just using what was in the game.

Phantaram.4816:

It’s not a bug. Not considered by the developers? Sure. But that includes a lot of other stuff in the game too.

People have been using the same exact mechanic since the beginning of the game.

Direct your mad somewhere else and not at the players.

Look at this guy. It just shows Phantaram is fraudulent because he thinks being able to heal 250 every 1/3 second with the stow lightning whip is fair game. That’s his definition of high skill cap folks, even though triple cantrips is already low skill floor low skill cap high reward no matter what you do. BLATANT FRAUD.

Just WOW. If this was league of legends, you would’ve been banned permanently or for a month for using exploits.

Not even the triple chop stow weapon is broken compared to Signet of Restoration + stow lightning whip.

You can basically admit that you exploit a certain mechanic and won’t even get banned?

kokiman.2364:

You can basically admit that you exploit a certain mechanic and won’t even get banned?

It was pretty clear from basically every GW2 stream that any “high-level” DD Ele uses the stow weapon trick.

Still, I can easily point out who macros it and who doesn’t. Very few people DO NOT macro it actually. And I think this is an even better reason to look into it.
I don’t think increasing the cast time of Lighting Whip would be a bad thing to do honestly. This way, even if you stow weapons you won’t be able to get the double proc of Signet of Restoration. Watching D/D Eles going back to FULL HP in 4seconds after tanking a crit, Steal+Backstab combo is just ridiculous.

#balance #esports

I made a topic warning about this issue a few days ago. Nice to see that the community is concerned about it. This is as skillful as the guy that uses engi to jump inside towers or keeps in ebg. Using unintended mechanic failure to get advantage.

But it is not only a d/d ele problem, dont forget about mesmer autoatk.

Lol if you think this is ban worthy then you are silly! If this quirk was gamebreaking, then it would probably be patched within a month or two! Maybe 3! Anet is slow like that! (Who remembers the Warrior offhand sword bug and how long it took for that to get fixed!) But this is something extremely minor! You’re not going to see this fixed until the next balance patch in March, April, or even May assuming it even gets patched then! This is how Anet works! I know! I’ve been here since July 2012! Trust me! Plus a DD Ele that stays in air attunment just to spam Lightning Whip deals poopy damage even with 25 might and will die! Guaranteed! Did this issue heavily impact the game where Phantaram and his team nearly 500-0’d the 2nd best team on NA! No! So what’s the issue here other than sons that are in need of getting good!

Elementalists are already pretty overpowdered and nothing is being done until next balance patch! Do you really think they’re going to make changes to this, a tiny speck on the Need To Do list, now! You guys are crazy!

This is the part where I start ranting about the stagnancy of the game, the lack of a competitive scene, the terribleness of conquest mode, and the slow, slow, slow, slow, patch process that Arenanet has but I’m too tired!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

hihey.1075:

kokiman.2364:

You can basically admit that you exploit a certain mechanic and won’t even get banned?

It was pretty clear from basically every GW2 stream that any “high-level” DD Ele uses the stow weapon trick.

Still, I can easily point out who macros it and who doesn’t. Very few people DO NOT macro it actually. And I think this is an even better reason to look into it.
I don’t think increasing the cast time of Lighting Whip would be a bad thing to do honestly. This way, even if you stow weapons you won’t be able to get the double proc of Signet of Restoration. Watching D/D Eles going back to FULL HP in 4seconds after tanking a crit, Steal+Backstab combo is just ridiculous.

#balance #esports

Very few people do not macro it? This is false in my experience. I don’t know of any Ele who used a macro, especially when all it involves is tapping the stow button at regular intervals – easily done with muscle memory.

I know you like to think you have seen a lot of pixels, and can tell a macro user when you see it, but it’s clear you’re basing your claims on hot air, just to further damage Ele players reputation & create unrest. Not cool man. Nobody needs to macro tapping a single button at average intervals.

ArrDee.2573:

Plus a DD Ele that stays in air attunment just to spam Lightning Whip deals poopy damage even with 25 might and will die! Guaranteed!

Are you joking? At 25 Might stacks, Lighting Whip deals more damage than a lv1 Eviscerate, more damage than a Larcenous Strike, more damage than a Cluster Bomb, only 20% less damage than a Backstab on the back, and close to the same damage as Maul.
And we’re talking about an autoattack.
Of course, all this while healing for 1k HP per second (Soothing Mist+Regeneration+double Signet of Restoration proc).

What is the bug? I don’t know anything about it.

Chaith.8256:

hihey.1075:

kokiman.2364:

You can basically admit that you exploit a certain mechanic and won’t even get banned?

It was pretty clear from basically every GW2 stream that any “high-level” DD Ele uses the stow weapon trick.

Still, I can easily point out who macros it and who doesn’t. Very few people DO NOT macro it actually. And I think this is an even better reason to look into it.
I don’t think increasing the cast time of Lighting Whip would be a bad thing to do honestly. This way, even if you stow weapons you won’t be able to get the double proc of Signet of Restoration. Watching D/D Eles going back to FULL HP in 4seconds after tanking a crit, Steal+Backstab combo is just ridiculous.

#balance #esports

Very few people do not macro it? This is false in my experience. I don’t know of any Ele who used a macro, especially when all it involves is tapping the stow button at regular intervals – easily done with muscle memory.

I know you like to think you have seen a lot of pixels, and can tell a macro user when you see it, but it’s clear you’re basing your claims on hot air, just to further damage Ele players reputation & create unrest. Not cool man. Nobody needs to macro tapping a single button at average intervals.

I haven’t pointed the finger at anyone (and I won’t do it). You can easily tell who is macroing it and who isn’t by the amount of time between each Lighting Whip activation. Since it’s an autoattack (and, as such, spammable) you can see the frequency of its activation pretty often during a fight.
Now, we’re all humans. Even Helseth does not do the GS#1 stow weapon trick perfectly EVERY TIME. But, for some reason, most of the DD Eles I found had exactly the same interval between each activation. See it in a “how fast can you stow weapon?” way: if the interval is the same everytime they do the autoattack, then it’s macroed.

Of course, I’m talking about people that know/use this trick. Luckily, only a limited amount of players do it regularly (at least in EU).
What I’m saying is, of the people that use this trick, most of them (or, at least, most of the people I fought in the last 5 days) macro it.

Amir.1570:

Phantaram.4816:

It’s not a bug. Not considered by the developers? Sure. But that includes a lot of other stuff in the game too.

People have been using the same exact mechanic since the beginning of the game.

Direct your mad somewhere else and not at the players.

Look at this guy. It just shows Phantaram is fraudulent because he thinks being able to heal 250 every 1/3 second with the stow lightning whip is fair game. That’s his definition of high skill cap folks, even though triple cantrips is already low skill floor low skill cap high reward no matter what you do. BLATANT FRAUD.

Just WOW. If this was league of legends, you would’ve been banned permanently or for a month for using exploits.

Not even the triple chop stow weapon is broken compared to Signet of Restoration + stow lightning whip.

You know so much about me. Please tell me more.

hihey.1075:

ArrDee.2573:

Plus a DD Ele that stays in air attunment just to spam Lightning Whip deals poopy damage even with 25 might and will die! Guaranteed!

Are you joking? At 25 Might stacks, Lighting Whip deals more damage than a lv1 Eviscerate, more damage than a Larcenous Strike, more damage than a Cluster Bomb, only 20% less damage than a Backstab on the back, and close to the same damage as Maul.
And we’re talking about an autoattack.
Of course, all this while healing for 1k HP per second (Soothing Mist+Regeneration+double Signet of Restoration proc).

???? lol
Lightning Whip hits for 700 on the light target golem at 25 might stacks!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

All it takes is just some simple first step like putting 10 second CD on Stow weapon and spending 10 years to find a real solution to this problem but for god know they can’t even do that.

Amir.1570:

Phantaram.4816:

It’s not a bug. Not considered by the developers? Sure. But that includes a lot of other stuff in the game too.

People have been using the same exact mechanic since the beginning of the game.

Direct your mad somewhere else and not at the players.

Look at this guy. It just shows Phantaram is fraudulent because he thinks being able to heal 250 every 1/3 second with the stow lightning whip is fair game. That’s his definition of high skill cap folks, even though triple cantrips is already low skill floor low skill cap high reward no matter what you do. BLATANT FRAUD.

Just WOW. If this was league of legends, you would’ve been banned permanently or for a month for using exploits.

Not even the triple chop stow weapon is broken compared to Signet of Restoration + stow lightning whip.

It’s not an exploit. Stowing weapon is a completely valid strategy and mechanic. ANet can’t say that a couple skills aren’t okay to stow, because people who get dodges baited by weapon cancels will then start complaining about stow weapon usage for that too. Next thing you know everyone that stows weapon for anything is getting called an exploiter.

Calling out a top Ele as an exploiter when he is good at the build regardless of lightning whip is just silly.

ANet just needs to fix the problem skills. Be mad at ANet for only doing balance passes every 6-7 months and not addressing this in the last balance pass when it was clearly known.

Don’t hate on the players for maximizing their efficiency using a mechanic that is perfectly legit. And don’t try to spin legitimate mechanics into being an exploit. Everyone agrees it’s a problem. Phantaram has even offered suggestions on how he feels Ele should be properly nerfed, which includes changing lightning whip stow.

Call out ANet, not the players.

Ohh look another thread full of people who can’t ele complaining about an extra 230 hp every few minutes. If you think you can just sit in air and do this and not die your just not the brightest light bulb in the box. Keep it, remove it… doesn’t matter much. Same players are still gonna ruin you even without it.

NeXeD.3042:

Ohh look another thread full of people who can’t ele complaining about an extra 230 hp every few minutes. If you think you can just sit in air and do this and not die your just not the brightest light bulb in the box. Keep it, remove it… doesn’t matter much. Same players are still gonna ruin you even without it.

It actually does allow you to gain nearly an extra 500 health per second while you kite for your life. There is some validity to in your statement, but it is largely inflammatory and unhelpful.

Siva Mira.3546:

All it takes is just some simple first step like putting 10 second CD on Stow weapon and spending 10 years to find a real solution to this problem but for god know they can’t even do that.

Best suggestion on this topic. Other idea would be you cant stow weapon when in combat. Very simple to fix.

a t s e.9614:

Its funny how people are defending lightning whip bug. Imagine if a warr was healing 800 HP per sec instead of 400 with healing Sig. You would cry pretty hard wouldn’t you?

I understand if it gave you 50~ HP/S but its double the amount.. Open your eyes and notice how broken that bug is.

Or just buff the heal of every other class by 100% if you think lighting whip is fair.

If a Warrior was healing 800 hp/sec while at the same time unable to be offensive at all or CC me or cleanse condis, I wouldn’t care! He would die so fast!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

ArrDee.2573:

hihey.1075:

ArrDee.2573:

Plus a DD Ele that stays in air attunment just to spam Lightning Whip deals poopy damage even with 25 might and will die! Guaranteed!

Are you joking? At 25 Might stacks, Lighting Whip deals more damage than a lv1 Eviscerate, more damage than a Larcenous Strike, more damage than a Cluster Bomb, only 20% less damage than a Backstab on the back, and close to the same damage as Maul.
And we’re talking about an autoattack.
Of course, all this while healing for 1k HP per second (Soothing Mist+Regeneration+double Signet of Restoration proc).

???? lol
Lightning Whip hits for 700 on the light target golem at 25 might stacks!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

It hits for 800, twice. That’s 1.6k dmg (not crit) per auto.
20066 SD Thief build hits the same golem for 1.6k with Larcenous Strike (not crit), 1.5k with Clusterbomb (not crit).

I do admit I was wrong with the Eviscerate calculation though XD

But let’s not digress from the matter at hand – Lighting Whip does A LOT of damage, you can’t let an Ele autoattack you for long, else you’ll melt.

Phantaram.4816:

It’s not a bug. Not considered by the developers? Sure. But that includes a lot of other stuff in the game too.

People have been using the same exact mechanic since the beginning of the game.

Direct your mad somewhere else and not at the players.

Phanta, I remember you asked grouch if this “trick” was intended or not on a bus in china.

He said it was being looked at.

Please don’t spread lies. There has been nothing similar to this in the game since day one. The level of efficacy for what it does as far as “cancelling” goes is simply ridiculous. If you believe that this bug is intended and is going to stay then you’re dead wrong.

It’s hard to defend it really.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Phantaram.4816:

It’s not a bug. Not considered by the developers? Sure. But that includes a lot of other stuff in the game too.

People have been using the same exact mechanic since the beginning of the game.

Direct your mad somewhere else and not at the players.

Phanta, I remember you asked grouch if this “trick” was intended or not on a bus in china.

He said it was being looked at.

Please don’t spread lies. There has been nothing similar to this in the game since day one. The level of efficacy for what it does as far as “cancelling” goes is simply ridiculous. If you believe that this bug is intended and is going to stay then you’re dead wrong.

It’s hard to defend it really.

I see where you’re coming from. ‘Being looked at’ isn’t conclusive of anything though, so I think it’s too early to call someone out for spreading lies in saying: “it’s not a bug.”. Nothing has been concluded yet.

We can only hope that all after casts get enforced. However, unless there was a patch that introduced this which I don’t know about, it’s been a mechanic since launch. I say on the grounds that years have passed with no statement or actions taken against it, it’s hard to define as unintended.

You think it’s not going to stay? Good, I don’t know how you can be so sure, but I hope that is the case too.

I’ve already stated that him abusing the bug wasn’t what contributed to the recent Abjured vs. DoD match.

But this Phantaram guy implying something similar to the Guardian Block Bug is fair game just promotes kittenous mind set to people looking up to him really.

Also, my other point is that a build, such as d/d triple cantrips, that was always stupidly braindead easy shouldn’t have an abuse-able bug that makes it even more broken. There’s nothing hard about 3 stun breaks, mobilty, and permavigor. Super-effefctive too. Yet you’re allowed to use bugs in live stream tournaments?

Step up your game ANET, and specially the players who abuse the bug.

Amir.1570:

Guess what though? Perma-vigor and triple cantrips can have a million stun breaks and still deal damage. Triple cantrips has always been that way, easy to play and hard to screw up. And people still defend that crap even today. Just a bunch of low skill players who would be scared to get their easy mode taken away from them.

Amir.1570:

Also, my other point is that a build, such as d/d triple cantrips, that was always stupidly braindead easy shouldn’t have an abuse-able bug that makes it even more broken. There’s nothing hard about 3 stun breaks, mobilty, and permavigor. Super-effefctive too. Yet you’re allowed to use bugs in live stream tournaments?

You repeat yourself on the unsolicited Cantrip rant again, I’m not sure why though considering it’s been one break-stun, not 3, for about about a year and a half.

Chaith.8256:

We can only hope that all after casts get enforced. However, unless there was a patch that introduced this which I don’t know about, it’s been a mechanic since launch. I say on the grounds that years have passed with no statement or actions taken against it, it’s hard to define as unintended.

its like skritt bottles dealing 10% of the targets hp. that laid latent for 2 years until someone happened to try it on a tower wall and the defender complained on the forums. was it unintended? obviously. someone didnt code in an exception or something, and prolly didnt think about all possible targets. would we argue that its intended while its still active on live? of course. not hard to define as unintended.

insanemaniac.2456:

Chaith.8256:

We can only hope that all after casts get enforced. However, unless there was a patch that introduced this which I don’t know about, it’s been a mechanic since launch. I say on the grounds that years have passed with no statement or actions taken against it, it’s hard to define as unintended.

its like skritt bottles dealing 10% of the targets hp. that laid latent for 2 years until someone happened to try it on a tower wall and the defender complained on the forums. was it unintended? obviously. someone didnt code in an exception or something, and prolly didnt think about all possible targets. would we argue that its intended while its still active on live? of course. not hard to define as unintended.

It’s current status is being looked in to. Unintended vs. working as intended may also be over-simplifying the matter, too. Rarely do introduced mechanics play out exactly as designed, but the developers have to make the decision on whether it’s a negative, or positive for the game.

I personally think that the game would be better off without, but realistically it’ll just stew for a long time in the middle of the pile, as a low priority adjustment, as it has been.

Edit: To elaborate on why I think it’s best to not have this mechanic is because that way the professions can be more balanced at ALL skill levels, because you will only ever see min-maxers who push their profession using stow weapon to squeeze out that healing/auto damage. If the game is balanced top down, that could even slightly disadvantage the professions that can stow weapon effectively at lower skill levels.

Not sure why everyone is having a go at The Adjured, I didn’t watch the match had to “work”, but I seen heaps of Ele’s live on the stream abusing the “exploit”.

It’s an exploit, which is in the rule set of ESL. They don’t say anything about what happens if you use unfair advantage to win, so if you all want to complain about Ele using an exploit then every single team would require looking at.

If anything ESL Admins need to ask the question what is the punishment for using an exploit, then enforce it. To late now for them to turn back the clock.

Also exploit aside, it won’t change the outcome The Adjured is still going to win, only way anyone will beat them is if the next balance patch gut’s there comp.

Chaith.8256:

Nobody likes it, don’t hate the player, hate the game.

well i’ve never read the rules of conduct or T&C, but almost every online game i have played in the last decade have a thing in there about not abusing known bugs and that if you are doing it you can be banned for it.

i look at abusing a bug in a game the same as flopping in the NBA, if you do it then you’re just a pansy who cannot compete legitimately. (along the same lines of the best cheater is still worse then the worst non-cheater. )

Amir.1570:

I’ve already stated that him abusing the bug wasn’t what contributed to the recent Abjured vs. DoD match.

But this Phantaram guy implying something similar to the Guardian Block Bug is fair game just promotes kittenous mind set to people looking up to him really.

Also, my other point is that a build, such as d/d triple cantrips, that was always stupidly braindead easy shouldn’t have an abuse-able bug that makes it even more broken. There’s nothing hard about 3 stun breaks, mobilty, and permavigor. Super-effefctive too. Yet you’re allowed to use bugs in live stream tournaments?

Step up your game ANET, and specially the players who abuse the bug.

Why are you so obsessed with abusing phantaram? He is one of the “good guys”. Seriously. In a community full of drama queens and rude players phanta is one of the rare ones who has ALWAYS been polite and nice TO EVERYONE. And that is over a 2.5 year peroid……

So he really doesn’t need calling out.

Everyone agrees it should be fixed (more or less). You would have more credibility if you didn’t attack certain players and just make a post to draw attention to the issue.

if any bug was with the economy it would be fixed asap. Why because that effects the real dollar income of this company. The bug thats listed in this thread is and will be here for awhile. It’s not high priority for the reason it does not effect the income “take food off the plate”.

proof is with kripp and his ban https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCocjCCMOXI

Phantaram.4816:

It’s not a bug. Not considered by the developers? Sure. But that includes a lot of other stuff in the game too.

People have been using the same exact mechanic since the beginning of the game.

Direct your mad somewhere else and not at the players.

^

While I agree that this is clearly broken, Phanta’s right here. The blame shouldn’t fall on the players as Anet has had years now to change it and has done nothing. It can only be assumed that it is working as intended.

There are tricks like this in almost every game I’ve played. If the devs think it’s game breaking, they’ll patch it or treat it as an exploit. But they haven’t.

Then again it’s Anet.

Fix it anet. This is ridiculous. Don’t you care about your game?

make signet of restoration work on hit only like signet of malice

hihey.1075:

kokiman.2364:

You can basically admit that you exploit a certain mechanic and won’t even get banned?

It was pretty clear from basically every GW2 stream that any “high-level” DD Ele uses the stow weapon trick.

Still, I can easily point out who macros it and who doesn’t. Very few people DO NOT macro it actually. And I think this is an even better reason to look into it.
I don’t think increasing the cast time of Lighting Whip would be a bad thing to do honestly. This way, even if you stow weapons you won’t be able to get the double proc of Signet of Restoration. Watching D/D Eles going back to FULL HP in 4seconds after tanking a crit, Steal+Backstab combo is just ridiculous.

#balance #esports

This is the point where I think A.net should actually banhammer them into oblivion. This is clearly a macro to gain a gameplay advantage over other players, no reason to argue about that I think. And “everyone does it lol” isn’t an excuse for macroing and exploiting broken mechanics.
But knowing A.net and the way they handle things they either won’t do anything or just give them a slap on the wrist.

Because “pls dont leave us, we really esports now :c”

FXLEACH.9436:

Fix it anet. This is ridiculous. Don’t you care about your game?

kokiman.2364:

This is clearly a macro to gain a gameplay advantage over other players, no reason to argue about that I think. And “everyone does it lol” isn’t an excuse for macroing and exploiting broken mechanics.

How is it clear? Why are you convinced people are macroing it?

It’s so freaking easy to pull it off consistently because unlike Mesmer Spatial Surge, Lightning Whip casts so fast you can easily get a rhythm for it.