Guild Wars 2

At first i tought it was a normal (And really nice one) backstab combo so i took a look at combat log, well i didn’t really see bp shot hitting me (I was already fighting a ranger) so i was like “ok it’s d/p” but then i saw a really strange thing…an HS before backstab, i know you can use bp field to go stealth but isn’t hs supposed to break stealth on hit? Combo was probably bp>steal>hs (stealth)>backstab all felt like 2 massive hits (Like a c&d>steal>bs combo)…no problem on avoiding it, dmg is not the problem and it was hotzerg ehm..custom arenas so don’t really give a kitten xD I just would really like to know how you can land an hs and still being in stealth for backstab, if it’s something like a bug or just another macro?

It’s standard D/P combo. I think the reason HS doesn’t break stealth is because it’s the same HS that’s used to gain stealth in the first place. I think the system only supports one thing at a time – as in attack which grants you stealth can’t put you out of stealth at the same time.

Stealth combo is only triggered once heartseeker completes. This means stealth would have only activated after you were hit by that attack.

The thief you faced used steal during heartseeker animation. (similar to precasting CnD). That was how he was able to pull it off.

Archaon.6245:

At first i tought it was a normal (And really nice one) backstab combo so i took a look at combat log, well i didn’t really see bp shot hitting me (I was already fighting a ranger) so i was like “ok it’s not d/d” but then i saw a really strange thing…an HS before backstab, i know you can use bp field to go stealth but isn’t hs supposed to break stealth on hit? Combo was probably bp>steal>hs (stealth)>backstab all felt like 2 massive hits (Like a c&d>steal>bs combo)…no problem on avoiding it, dmg is not the problem and it was hotzerg ehm..custom arenas so don’t really give a kitten xD I just would really like to know how you can land an hs and still being in stealth for backstab, if it’s something like a bug or just another sad macro abuse?

The HS out of black powder does not reveal you, otherwise it would be useless. What likely happened is that he used BP, didn’t hit you with it, then HS’d which hit you and put him in stealth right after to follow up with a backstab.

If you BP, HS, and then steal within a half second after the HS, you don’t lose stealth and can land a BS. It’s pretty standard d/p thief burst.

Thought hs on bp field was supposed to give you stealth as soon as you are jumping outside bp field but breaking it if hitting someone even with the same hs…didn’t know that bp+hs (+steal trick) leads to an invisible hs that won’t break stealth…oh well…time to take my thief out of the closet and try it xD Still wondering if you need macros to pull this out…since never used macros from gw1 and never will, just hate them >_<

Well it’s just that the stealth procs right after the HS, you’re not stealthed as you land it. Combo fields are weird. Most of the time they proc the effect as soon as you use a finisher, but this is the once instance where I think it doesn’t do that on purpose.

I’ve seen good players who used that combo allot.
Haven’t seen it much lately though.

That and the basilisk venom->cluster bomb then they steal right away which sets up the normal C&D/backstab combo with just a free clusterbomb thrown into the mix.

Jericho.4521:

Well it’s just that the stealth procs right after the HS, you’re not stealthed as you land it. Combo fields are weird. Most of the time they proc the effect as soon as you use a finisher, but this is the once instance where I think it doesn’t do that on purpose.

Problem is that i didn’t see hs too, seeing a thief leaping with hs at you leads to an automatic f4 or phase retreat…ok i was already on another guy and i missed bp shot hitting me but hs is pretty visible and i’m almost sure he was already stealthed when it landed also because i was aware he was around cause i shattered him seconds before (He ate all of it and was still up..dam ._.) and meanwhile i was only evading a ranger’s pet (Also coming from stealth >.<)..then bang…from nowhere xD

Yep I can do that combo before the HS animation leaps out of the middle of the BP field. You don’t need macros to do it either. It’s not tough.

Archaon.6245:

Problem is that i didn’t see hs too, seeing a thief leaping with hs at you leads to an automatic f4 or phase retreat…ok i was already on another guy and i missed bp shot hitting me but hs is pretty visible and i’m almost sure he was already stealthed when it landed

That’s because he probably blackpowdered at about 800 units away.
He then heartseaker’ed in the blackpowder, a hearseaker that would end about 600~ units short of you, but just before it failed to land… he used steal teleporting right up to you, landing the last quarter second of a heartseaker on your back, finishing the blackpowder combo, setting up a backstab.

It’s a dirty trick.
One that’ll only change if they make steal interrupt heartseaker or combo’s.
(not likely)

Nettle.9025:

Yep I can do that combo before the HS animation leaps out of the middle of the BP field. You don’t need macros to do it either. It’s not tough.

I totally left my thief many months ago and only burst were s/p and d/d and i noticed this “trick” only today, already saw many d/p obviously but never put attention on how their combo is performed cause i don’t go read combat log in tpvp, since they were quite ineffective too, but being in hotjoin gave me time to take a look at it, for sure it won’t change anything cause you just have to evade thief’s burst no matter how they perform it…but it’s good to know anyway..

suldaris is not macroing but some teams like forsaker’s team report suldaris right when the tourney starts (i watched his streams)….. but now u can watch him play and learn on my team’s server :/

best teef eu imo

Ultima.8673:

suldaris is not macroing but some teams like forsaker’s team report suldaris right when the tourney starts (i watched his streams)….. but now u can watch him play and learn on my team’s server :/

best teef eu imo

yeah i saw him playing in that match and he’s nice, dunno if he’s the best thief around cuz you can’t rate someone during an “hotjoin mess” but definately an effective burst, can’t remember last time a burst thief managed to land all his combo on me before him (That’s why i took a look on how he did it)…just wanna give this combo a try even if i’m probably not going back to thief for tpvp…mesmer\guardian and maybe ranger (work in progress) it’s more than enough atm since we haven’t a stable tpvp team either right now

To answer your question.

Stealth will not break any actions, if you start leap(heartseek) on smoke fiend and steal (900-1200 range), HeartSeek will 100% hit your target, stealth you and then u can just backstab.

I used to think it took skill but this is just one of those things that are soooooo simple. that people overlook them, probably the easiest burst in gw, it would take more work to set up a macro, than to do this yourself lol

Tried it and definately works, not hard to pull out too…all you have to do is stealing during hs jump while in bp field, you’ll land them both going stealth ready for bs..pretty effective.

well, according to the combatlog he just did the following:

BP
steal
HS
Backstab

And this is totally okay.
If you stand in the BP there is really nothing unusual.

Suldaris is on the top of EU’s thieves. Allthough there are other ones like vanish . . .

lvis.3824:

well, according to the combatlog he just did the following:

BP
steal
HS
Backstab

And this is totally okay.
If you stand in the BP there is really nothing unusual.

Actually is bp>hs>steal (while mid air with hs)>backstab…you go stealth and hs hits target but you don’t break stealth landing it and you can still go backstab even if any direct dmg skill should break stealth giving you revealed debuff on hit, it’s just a..well let’s call that “trick”…pretty straightforward too once you get the right timing..

Ultima.8673:

suldaris is not macroing but some teams like forsaker’s team report suldaris right when the tourney starts (i watched his streams)….. but now u can watch him play and learn on my team’s server :/

best teef eu imo

i don’t know when to start laughing

lvis.3824:

well, according to the combatlog he just did the following:

BP
steal
HS
Backstab

And this is totally okay.
If you stand in the BP there is really nothing unusual.

You don’t technically need to use Steal except to close the distance (because HS won’t get you close enough to actually hit) or get the item from using the ability.

When you use HS in BP, stealth does not apply until after the attack animation and damage lands. So technically, it’s a completely legitimate combo.

In simple words hs from bp field = awesome dmg + gap closing c&d

Ah, so this is how thieves do not get affected by my shocking aura lately. The stealth makkes the target immune… and the cooldown procs on the aura, so they can continue with the 2 second burst without consequences…

Archaon.6245:

In simple words hs from bp field = awesome dmg + gap closing c&d

You forgot the part where it was massively more effective on targets at or below 25% health! If you can get them down that far, that is. I haven’t tried the build in sPvP, myself.

Archaon.6245:

lvis.3824:

well, according to the combatlog he just did the following:

BP
steal
HS
Backstab

And this is totally okay.
If you stand in the BP there is really nothing unusual.

Actually is bp>hs>steal (while mid air with hs)>backstab…you go stealth and hs hits target but you don’t break stealth landing it and you can still go backstab even if any direct dmg skill should break stealth giving you revealed debuff on hit, it’s just a..well let’s call that “trick”…pretty straightforward too once you get the right timing..

Say’s who ?

As long as you do not provide any evidence we must take what the combat logs tells us.
And this could also be that you stood in the blinding powder, and he first used steal and then
attacked you with HS.

Also, i think someone mentioned it before, you can precast BP and then steal so the BP is right where you are.
Then just HS → backstab.

This can also result in the same combatlog messages, comes down to the timing / lag.

This is really nothing special and definitly not a bug or macro … !

It’s very easy to test. If you do not perform your heartseeker, you will not get stealthed. So assuming you were to heartseeker through black powder and get hit with a daze mid air during the leap, you’d remain visible.

The combo field only completes, if you successfully complete the heartseeker, whether you leap into or out of the smoke field.

lvis.3824:

Archaon.6245:

lvis.3824:

well, according to the combatlog he just did the following:

BP
steal
HS
Backstab

And this is totally okay.
If you stand in the BP there is really nothing unusual.

Actually is bp>hs>steal (while mid air with hs)>backstab…you go stealth and hs hits target but you don’t break stealth landing it and you can still go backstab even if any direct dmg skill should break stealth giving you revealed debuff on hit, it’s just a..well let’s call that “trick”…pretty straightforward too once you get the right timing..

Say’s who ?

As long as you do not provide any evidence we must take what the combat logs tells us.
And this could also be that you stood in the blinding powder, and he first used steal and then
attacked you with HS.

Also, i think someone mentioned it before, you can precast BP and then steal so the BP is right where you are.
Then just HS -> backstab.

This can also result in the same combatlog messages, comes down to the timing / lag.

This is really nothing special and definitly not a bug or macro … !

You probably can’t read…others already explained how he did that stealing through hs on bp field…and already tested it with thief (And i’m not new to thief, just left it before dps went d/p) and worked.

I repeat: If you cast bp then go hs (Even if you’re not in hs range) and steal while mid air during hs you’ll land both steal and hs while stealthed and you can go backstab.

Try it yourself or just stop trolling…or maybe you already play d/p and you just don’t want someone explaining your “triks” ……am i wrong? I’m not even asking for nerf qq or something, i just asked how does it work and others explained it clearly then i tested myself and worked, nothing more than that…he managed to down me because he’s good and i was not paying enough attention to him, but i can pretty much survive almost every average d/p thief all day long with mesmer so don’t think it deserves a nerf at all, they already nerfed way nough stuff on thieves.Can’t really understand what’s you problem…

Archaon.6245:

lvis.3824:

Archaon.6245:

lvis.3824:

well, according to the combatlog he just did the following:

BP
steal
HS
Backstab

And this is totally okay.
If you stand in the BP there is really nothing unusual.

Actually is bp>hs>steal (while mid air with hs)>backstab…you go stealth and hs hits target but you don’t break stealth landing it and you can still go backstab even if any direct dmg skill should break stealth giving you revealed debuff on hit, it’s just a..well let’s call that “trick”…pretty straightforward too once you get the right timing..

Say’s who ?

As long as you do not provide any evidence we must take what the combat logs tells us.
And this could also be that you stood in the blinding powder, and he first used steal and then
attacked you with HS.

Also, i think someone mentioned it before, you can precast BP and then steal so the BP is right where you are.
Then just HS -> backstab.

This can also result in the same combatlog messages, comes down to the timing / lag.

This is really nothing special and definitly not a bug or macro … !

You probably can’t read…others already explained how he did that stealing through hs on bp field…and already tested it with thief (And i’m not new to thief, just left it before dps went d/p) and worked.

I repeat: If you cast bp then go hs (Even if you’re not in hs range) and steal while mid air during hs you’ll land both steal and hs while stealthed and you can go backstab.

Try it yourself or just stop trolling…or maybe you already play d/p and you just don’t want someone explaining your “triks” ……am i wrong? I’m not even asking for nerf qq or something, i just asked how does it work and others explained it clearly, nothing more than that.

tbh this kind of rotation has been there for ages ( every D/P thief knew it).

Personally i left D/P for D/D since shadow shot was not fully functional ( it rooted you in place) and it was ( and still is) a good part of the build .

Since shadow shot fix, D/P has been superior in any shape or form.

Recent changes only made it better ( Sin signet active now is basically the same as if you keep it passive) and there at aNet still fail to understand there’s some serious lack in traits and other weapons ( especially OH dagger and MH pistol), reason why fixing Flanking strike really didn’t change anything.

Archaon.6245:

Thought hs on bp field was supposed to give you stealth as soon as you are jumping outside bp field but breaking it if hitting someone even with the same hs…didn’t know that bp+hs (+steal trick) leads to an invisible hs that won’t break stealth…oh well…time to take my thief out of the closet and try it xD Still wondering if you need macros to pull this out…since never used macros from gw1 and never will, just hate them >_<

As you can see you don’t need to macro anything, i was also rathe slow doing this.

It’s a sleezy combo and it rewards sucker thieves all day long. Donno what happened to having to earn your stealth or doing something of value leading up to such dmg.

You know… if you land the cloak and dagger you deserve a chance at a follow up combo of big dmg.

Nah now they just chain a couple skills and guarantee the backstab. Silly design choice if you ask me but maybe im just jealous.

Aquin.3192:

It’s a sleezy combo and it rewards sucker thieves all day long. Donno what happened to having to earn your stealth or doing something of value leading up to such dmg.

You know… if you land the cloak and dagger you deserve a chance at a follow up combo of big dmg.

Nah now they just chain a couple skills and guarantee the backstab. Silly design choice if you ask me but maybe im just jealous.

This.

lvis.3824:

Archaon.6245:

Thought hs on bp field was supposed to give you stealth as soon as you are jumping outside bp field but breaking it if hitting someone even with the same hs…didn’t know that bp+hs (+steal trick) leads to an invisible hs that won’t break stealth…oh well…time to take my thief out of the closet and try it xD Still wondering if you need macros to pull this out…since never used macros from gw1 and never will, just hate them >_<

As you can see you don’t need to macro anything, i was also rathe slow doing this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuJuHuMf7Ck

Yeah already tried and did it without macros, not hard to do…let’s say pretty much like normal bs combo..