Guild Wars 2

We are here to rank the classes from #1 God tier, #2 Good (Meta) tier, #3 viable (medium) tier, #4 kinda viable tier, #5 not viable but always end up on my team in solo q’s tier, #6 kitten tier (never seen in PVP) would rather be in a 4 v 5 (berserker/daredevil bunker thief). including all specializations as separate classes! DO NOT ADD descriptions, just your ranking. These WILL BE TALLIED for a following post; if you have for some reason forgotten what all the professions are:
- Engineer – Scraper
- Ranger – Druid
- Revenant – Herald
- Necromancer – Reaper
- Thief – Daredevil
- Guardian – Dugon Hunter
- Warrior – I guess it is kinda a thing… berserker…
- Elementalist – Tempest
- Mesmer – Chronomancer

1. God tier
2. Good (Meta) tier
3. viable tier
4. kinda viable tier
5. not viable but always end up on my team in solo qs tier
kitten
6. tier (never seen in pvp) would rather be in a 4 v 5.

HAVE FUN…. letz get some shietzz nerfed TOGETHER as a team!

1) – Medi Trapper Dh

Everythign else way below

Thunderbird.4298:

We are here to rank the classes from #1 God tier, #2 Good (Meta) tier, #3 viable (medium) tier, #4 kinda viable tier, #5 not viable but always end up on my team in solo q’s tier, #6 kitten tier (never seen in PVP) would rather be in a 4 v 5 (berserker/daredevil bunker thief). including all specializations as separate classes! DO NOT ADD descriptions, just your ranking. These WILL BE TALLIED for a following post; if you have for some reason forgotten what all the professions are:
- Engineer – Scraper
- Ranger – Druid
- Revenant – Herald
- Necromancer – Reaper
- Thief – Daredevil
- Guardian – Dugon Hunter
- Warrior – I guess it is kinda a thing… berserker…
- Elementalist – Tempest
- Mesmer – Chronomancer

1. God tier
2. Good (Meta) tier
3. viable tier
4. kinda viable tier
5. not viable but always end up on my team in solo qs tier
6. kitten tier (never seen in pvp) would rather be in a 4 v 5.

HAVE FUN…. letz get some shietzz nerfed TOGETHER as a team!

God tier – Dragonhunter, Scrapper and Chrono
Good tier – Reaper, Tempest (those auras), Herald
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kitten tier – Berserker

I played PvP about a week since HoT release and is currently full of DH trappers running zerks, reapers and to a lower extent Chrono and Scrappers. Other than the first couple of days, I didn’t find a single warrior in either my team or my opponents (let alone a berserker) – not talking about hotjoins btw. Warriors aren’t even a shadow of what it once was…

Of course, you only want to hear how “bad” berserker is.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Thunderbird.4298:

We are here to rank the classes from #1 God tier, #2 Good (Meta) tier, #3 viable (medium) tier, #4 kinda viable tier, #5 not viable but always end up on my team in solo q’s tier, #6 kitten tier (never seen in PVP) would rather be in a 4 v 5 (berserker/daredevil bunker thief). including all specializations as separate classes! DO NOT ADD descriptions, just your ranking. These WILL BE TALLIED for a following post; if you have for some reason forgotten what all the professions are:
- Engineer – Scraper
- Ranger – Druid
- Revenant – Herald
- Necromancer – Reaper
- Thief – Daredevil
- Guardian – Dugon Hunter
- Warrior – I guess it is kinda a thing… berserker…
- Elementalist – Tempest
- Mesmer – Chronomancer

1. God tier
2. Good (Meta) tier
3. viable tier
4. kinda viable tier
5. not viable but always end up on my team in solo qs tier
6. kitten tier (never seen in pvp) would rather be in a 4 v 5.

HAVE FUN…. letz get some shietzz nerfed TOGETHER as a team!

God tier – Dragonhunter, Scrapper and Chrono
Good tier – Reaper, Tempest (those auras), Herald
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kitten tier – Berserker

I played PvP about a week since HoT release and is currently full of DH trappers running zerks, reapers and to a lower extent Chrono and Scrappers. Other than the first couple of days, I didn’t find a single warrior in either my team or my opponents (let alone a berserker) – not talking about hotjoins btw. Warriors aren’t even a shadow of what it once was…

Swap tempest with druid and that’s about right.

Alekt.5803:

Of course, you only want to hear how “bad” berserker is.

It is bad. Why, what’s wrong? Do you disagree?

ReaperJr.5967:

Alekt.5803:

Of course, you only want to hear how “bad” berserker is.

It is bad. Why, what’s wrong? Do you disagree?

I’ve mostly seen people abusing the Reapers, Dragonhunters and such than people trying Berserker with the recent buffs. So I cannot know for sure.

The reason yu see people running normal warrior and not berserker is because base warrior is better. like, way better.

everything is great apart from warrior provided the player is good.

every other class has builds that rock in the right hands, the problem is finding those hands.

ReaperJr.5967:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Thunderbird.4298:

We are here to rank the classes from #1 God tier, #2 Good (Meta) tier, #3 viable (medium) tier, #4 kinda viable tier, #5 not viable but always end up on my team in solo q’s tier, #6 kitten tier (never seen in PVP) would rather be in a 4 v 5 (berserker/daredevil bunker thief). including all specializations as separate classes! DO NOT ADD descriptions, just your ranking. These WILL BE TALLIED for a following post; if you have for some reason forgotten what all the professions are:
- Engineer – Scraper
- Ranger – Druid
- Revenant – Herald
- Necromancer – Reaper
- Thief – Daredevil
- Guardian – Dugon Hunter
- Warrior – I guess it is kinda a thing… berserker…
- Elementalist – Tempest
- Mesmer – Chronomancer

1. God tier
2. Good (Meta) tier
3. viable tier
4. kinda viable tier
5. not viable but always end up on my team in solo qs tier
6. kitten tier (never seen in pvp) would rather be in a 4 v 5.

HAVE FUN…. letz get some shietzz nerfed TOGETHER as a team!

God tier – Dragonhunter, Scrapper and Chrono
Good tier – Reaper, Tempest (those auras), Herald
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kitten tier – Berserker

I played PvP about a week since HoT release and is currently full of DH trappers running zerks, reapers and to a lower extent Chrono and Scrappers. Other than the first couple of days, I didn’t find a single warrior in either my team or my opponents (let alone a berserker) – not talking about hotjoins btw. Warriors aren’t even a shadow of what it once was…

Swap tempest with druid and that’s about right.

This, pretty much. I’d rank tempest at a midway between wherever druid and scrapper are (not saying they’re as OP as scrapper, FYI). They’ve got similar sustain to druid, only with more mobility. You can argue they do negligible damage since they lose ring of fire to blast and have to wait 10s for their fire overload to get a fire field for blasting, but they’ll eventually wear you down or escape, kinda like thief but they can actually take some pressure.

God Tier: Herald, Chrono, Scrapper, Dragonhunter.
Good Tier: Reaper, Druid
Viable Tier: Tempest, Daredevil
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Trash Tier: Berserker

SlayerSixx.5763:

ReaperJr.5967:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Thunderbird.4298:

We are here to rank the classes from #1 God tier, #2 Good (Meta) tier, #3 viable (medium) tier, #4 kinda viable tier, #5 not viable but always end up on my team in solo q’s tier, #6 kitten tier (never seen in PVP) would rather be in a 4 v 5 (berserker/daredevil bunker thief). including all specializations as separate classes! DO NOT ADD descriptions, just your ranking. These WILL BE TALLIED for a following post; if you have for some reason forgotten what all the professions are:
- Engineer – Scraper
- Ranger – Druid
- Revenant – Herald
- Necromancer – Reaper
- Thief – Daredevil
- Guardian – Dugon Hunter
- Warrior – I guess it is kinda a thing… berserker…
- Elementalist – Tempest
- Mesmer – Chronomancer

1. God tier
2. Good (Meta) tier
3. viable tier
4. kinda viable tier
5. not viable but always end up on my team in solo qs tier
6. kitten tier (never seen in pvp) would rather be in a 4 v 5.

HAVE FUN…. letz get some shietzz nerfed TOGETHER as a team!

God tier – Dragonhunter, Scrapper and Chrono
Good tier – Reaper, Tempest (those auras), Herald
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kitten tier – Berserker

I played PvP about a week since HoT release and is currently full of DH trappers running zerks, reapers and to a lower extent Chrono and Scrappers. Other than the first couple of days, I didn’t find a single warrior in either my team or my opponents (let alone a berserker) – not talking about hotjoins btw. Warriors aren’t even a shadow of what it once was…

Swap tempest with druid and that’s about right.

This, pretty much. I’d rank tempest at a midway between wherever druid and scrapper are (not saying they’re as OP as scrapper, FYI). They’ve got similar sustain to druid, only with more mobility. You can argue they do negligible damage since they lose ring of fire to blast and have to wait 10s for their fire overload to get a fire field for blasting, but they’ll eventually wear you down or escape, kinda like thief but they can actually take some pressure.

Actually no.. druid and scrapper are both better than tempest.

You can focus a druid since they’ve got only one escape. I rarely have problems downing non-bunker druids 1v1. Bunker druids can be killed 2v1 if you wait out the stability, but they usually get help by the time that happens.

Replacing fire with tempest can actually make for a really fearsome bunker with OK damage and mobility only outmatched by a thief.

Of course scrapper is better than tempest, but tempest is still a powerful spec in the right hands, even more so than a druid with very limited options and obvious counters.

SlayerSixx.5763:

You can focus a druid since they’ve got only one escape. I rarely have problems downing non-bunker druids 1v1. Bunker druids can be killed 2v1 if you wait out the stability, but they usually get help by the time that happens.

Replacing fire with tempest can actually make for a really fearsome bunker with OK damage and mobility only outmatched by a thief.

Of course scrapper is better than tempest, but tempest is still a powerful spec in the right hands, even more so than a druid with very limited options and obvious counters.

… what? No offense but do you have any idea what you are on about? Tempest is incredibly weak to cc and focus fire, more so than druid. Our only form of stability is stability (1 stack) on overload, and if we trait that we lose out ALL vigor and regen provided by auras. Earth overload cannot even be considered using because of focus 4 and 5 which are essential to our survival.

With shouts and focus offhand, we have no escape whatsoever. Lightning flash, rtl, fgs, all moot. No mobility to speak of either. We have no stunbreaks either unless we trait for auto stunbreak every 40s but we lose out on aura support upon completing an overload. Tempest is horrendously inferior to druid, so i have absolutely no idea what you’re smoking.

Ill have what youre having.

I don’t even…//////….

NiloyBardhan.9170:

God tier – Dragonhunter, Scrapper and Chrono
Good tier – Reaper, Tempest (those auras), Herald
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kitten tier – Berserker

I played PvP about a week since HoT release and is currently full of DH trappers running zerks, reapers and to a lower extent Chrono and Scrappers. Other than the first couple of days, I didn’t find a single warrior in either my team or my opponents (let alone a berserker) – not talking about hotjoins btw. Warriors aren’t even a shadow of what it once was…

Daredevils must be well below Berserker then since you didn’t even seem to think they were worth mentioning :\

I’m amazed people still have this weird fantasy of chrono being OP… How many chrono do you see in tournaments?

Anyway:
God Tier: Herald, Scrapper, Dragonhunter, Druid
Good Tier: Reaper, Chrono
Viable Tier: Tempest, Daredevil
Bad Tier: Berserker

I would like to add that Berserker is probably the only once which is not OP on the pre-HoT standard. Everything above berserker is just power creep.

SlayerSixx.5763:

You can focus a druid since they’ve got only one escape. I rarely have problems downing non-bunker druids 1v1. Bunker druids can be killed 2v1 if you wait out the stability, but they usually get help by the time that happens.

What? 1 escape? We have staff #3, Entangle, Signet of Stone, stealth from Smokescale + Staff #3, Longbow #3 stealth, Quickening Zephir, Lightning Reflexes…

I use the following build (http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQFATjEqQDLWyCusAVLWyEM4baPdo6c4SANumkVA4AUyzSD-TpwVABfWGAg9HAA) and can quite comfortably survive against 2 and kill them. It’s rather silly, especially with clever use of stealth + mitigation.

ReaperJr.5967:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Thunderbird.4298:

We are here to rank the classes from #1 God tier, #2 Good (Meta) tier, #3 viable (medium) tier, #4 kinda viable tier, #5 not viable but always end up on my team in solo q’s tier, #6 kitten tier (never seen in PVP) would rather be in a 4 v 5 (berserker/daredevil bunker thief). including all specializations as separate classes! DO NOT ADD descriptions, just your ranking. These WILL BE TALLIED for a following post; if you have for some reason forgotten what all the professions are:
- Engineer – Scraper
- Ranger – Druid
- Revenant – Herald
- Necromancer – Reaper
- Thief – Daredevil
- Guardian – Dugon Hunter
- Warrior – I guess it is kinda a thing… berserker…
- Elementalist – Tempest
- Mesmer – Chronomancer

1. God tier
2. Good (Meta) tier
3. viable tier
4. kinda viable tier
5. not viable but always end up on my team in solo qs tier
6. kitten tier (never seen in pvp) would rather be in a 4 v 5.

HAVE FUN…. letz get some shietzz nerfed TOGETHER as a team!

God tier – Dragonhunter, Scrapper and Chrono
Good tier – Reaper, Tempest (those auras), Herald
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kitten tier – Berserker

I played PvP about a week since HoT release and is currently full of DH trappers running zerks, reapers and to a lower extent Chrono and Scrappers. Other than the first couple of days, I didn’t find a single warrior in either my team or my opponents (let alone a berserker) – not talking about hotjoins btw. Warriors aren’t even a shadow of what it once was…

Swap tempest with druid and that’s about right.

I don’t think I have mentioned druid anywhere in my post, did I? I have purposely skipped druid and daredevil because I am yet to play them.

Sarrow.2785:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

God tier – Dragonhunter, Scrapper and Chrono
Good tier – Reaper, Tempest (those auras), Herald
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kitten tier – Berserker

I played PvP about a week since HoT release and is currently full of DH trappers running zerks, reapers and to a lower extent Chrono and Scrappers. Other than the first couple of days, I didn’t find a single warrior in either my team or my opponents (let alone a berserker) – not talking about hotjoins btw. Warriors aren’t even a shadow of what it once was…

Daredevils must be well below Berserker then since you didn’t even seem to think they were worth mentioning :\

Check above

God tier: Dragonhunter, Scrapper, Herald Good tier: Reaper, Chronomancer, Tempest. Viable tier: Druid. Kinda viable: Berserker, Daredevil

These threads just invite all the lunatics out to post.

Why would you do this to us?

Anyway…

1. Reaper, Berserker, Tempest
2. Scrapper, Daredevil
3. Herald
4. Dragonhunter, Druid
5. Chronomancer

Come at me.

God tier: Herald, Dragon Hunter, Druid
Good tier: Scrapper, Reaper, Chronomancer, tempest
Viable tier: Daredevil
Not viable tier: Berserker

My ranking is bases on the utility of a profession in a pvp team, the presence in the fight, the survivability/damage ratio. In a big fight, the druid presence is really oppressive (cc, heal, dispel, snare, slow, etc). Same for the Dh (cc, defensive boons, group boons, traps etc). For the Herald is the ratio damage/survivability that is amazing (the guy cold spam the sword #1 and kill you).

Berserker could have a really important damage (rifle/ gs) but the ratio survi/damage is not high and his presence too.

Surprised reapers are not most people’s #1, deathly chill is the most broken trait in the game. Everything else seems pretty balanced to me. Can’t comment on berserker though since I never see them or play them.

Photinous.4628:

Can’t comment on berserker though since I never see them

There are reasons for that XD

1 God tier
+ Meditrapper DH
+ Scrapper
+ Druid
+ Shiro/Glint Marauder Revenant

2 Good (Meta) tier
+ Reaper/Necromancer
+ Chronomancer/Mesmer

3 viable tier
+ Tempest/Elementalist

4 kinda viable tier
+ Thief/Daredevil

5 *not viable *
+ Warrior/Berzerker
+ Non-Celestial Ele builds
+ Staff Daredevil
+ Non Shiro/Glint Revenants

Photinous.4628:

Surprised reapers are not most people’s #1, deathly chill is the most broken trait in the game. Everything else seems pretty balanced to me. Can’t comment on berserker though since I never see them or play them.

The trait that cannot stack the damage above what it currently is to burst you, and I believe can only tick once at a time, so multiple Reapers with the trait only affect uptime, instead of taking 2x the damage from a single tick.

Do you have anything substantial to show that it’s so broken? Or am I just going to see another strange damage breakdown from sPvP that doesn’t look right at all?

Also, how many people commenting on Berserker have played it, and how many are only putting it at the bottom because other people say that’s where it is, and doing otherwise would just result in being shot down? I’ve been meaning to go try it out myself.

Many older core classes need complete overhauls and redesigned. They were originally designed for other core classes and now cannot compete with the new elite specs. If in the case that the same class’s elite spec is underpar as with Warriors, the entire class becomes irrelevant in sPvP.

Cogbyrn.7283:

Photinous.4628:

Surprised reapers are not most people’s #1, deathly chill is the most broken trait in the game. Everything else seems pretty balanced to me. Can’t comment on berserker though since I never see them or play them.

Do you have anything substantial to show that it’s so broken? Or am I just going to see another strange damage breakdown from sPvP that doesn’t look right at all?

The damage is fine to me, it’s the fact that necros have a stupid amount of passive chill available to them, alongside the fact that sigil of ice being an “on hit” sigil is what makes deathly chill broken. There is no amount of condi clear that can currently avoid being permanently chilled by a reaper. Because of this, there is a constant 800-1000 damage per tick plus a permanent 66% skill cooldown increase when fighting a necro. However, no reaper will agree that it’s broken because people love staying OP so this argument is futile and we can agree to disagree.

Photinous.4628:

Cogbyrn.7283:

Photinous.4628:

Surprised reapers are not most people’s #1, deathly chill is the most broken trait in the game. Everything else seems pretty balanced to me. Can’t comment on berserker though since I never see them or play them.

Do you have anything substantial to show that it’s so broken? Or am I just going to see another strange damage breakdown from sPvP that doesn’t look right at all?

The damage is fine to me, it’s the fact that necros have a stupid amount of passive chill available to them, alongside the fact that sigil of ice being an “on hit” sigil is what makes deathly chill broken. There is no amount of condi clear that can currently avoid being permanently chilled by a reaper. Because of this, there is a constant 800-1000 damage per tick plus a permanent 66% skill cooldown increase when fighting a necro. However, no reaper will agree that it’s broken because people love staying OP so this argument is futile and we can agree to disagree.

Whenever someone actually shows a log as a basis for damage comparison, it’s always 550 – 650 damage per tick, on average, even over 40 or so seconds. The 800 – 1000 is only a potential tick if everything is swinging your way (max vuln/might).

Also, what do people consider “passive chill”? Do you mean chill that comes with something else, like Chill on Fear and Chill on Blind?

I don’t even play a Condi Reaper. I just finally know a thing or two about the class being brought up as OP, so I’m challenging the idea.

Is it broken because it’s impossible for anything to 1v1 it? Is it broken because a Condi Reaper will swing a team fight too easily? It’s just kind of surprising to me that it’s finally a more attrition-based mechanic that is getting flak, instead of burst mechanics. It isn’t like the Necro can apply 5 stacks of Chill and do 3k damage per tick super easily. It’s just very steady soft CC, with very steady damage, that benefits the Reaper in the long run.

I’m just curious what about it is officially OP, and what is just frustrating.

Photinous.4628:

Cogbyrn.7283:

Photinous.4628:

Surprised reapers are not most people’s #1, deathly chill is the most broken trait in the game. Everything else seems pretty balanced to me. Can’t comment on berserker though since I never see them or play them.

Do you have anything substantial to show that it’s so broken? Or am I just going to see another strange damage breakdown from sPvP that doesn’t look right at all?

The damage is fine to me, it’s the fact that necros have a stupid amount of passive chill available to them, alongside the fact that sigil of ice being an “on hit” sigil is what makes deathly chill broken. There is no amount of condi clear that can currently avoid being permanently chilled by a reaper. Because of this, there is a constant 800-1000 damage per tick plus a permanent 66% skill cooldown increase when fighting a necro. However, no reaper will agree that it’s broken because people love staying OP so this argument is futile and we can agree to disagree.

Escapist’s Absolution says hi.

ReaperJr.5967:

SlayerSixx.5763:

You can focus a druid since they’ve got only one escape. I rarely have problems downing non-bunker druids 1v1. Bunker druids can be killed 2v1 if you wait out the stability, but they usually get help by the time that happens.

Replacing fire with tempest can actually make for a really fearsome bunker with OK damage and mobility only outmatched by a thief.

Of course scrapper is better than tempest, but tempest is still a powerful spec in the right hands, even more so than a druid with very limited options and obvious counters.

… what? No offense but do you have any idea what you are on about? Tempest is incredibly weak to cc and focus fire, more so than druid. Our only form of stability is stability (1 stack) on overload, and if we trait that we lose out ALL vigor and regen provided by auras. Earth overload cannot even be considered using because of focus 4 and 5 which are essential to our survival.

With shouts and focus offhand, we have no escape whatsoever. Lightning flash, rtl, fgs, all moot. No mobility to speak of either. We have no stunbreaks either unless we trait for auto stunbreak every 40s but we lose out on aura support upon completing an overload. Tempest is horrendously inferior to druid, so i have absolutely no idea what you’re smoking.

Ill have what youre having.

Why run shouts and focus then? Replace fire with tempest and keep your usual utility setup. Take rebound over FGS and aftershock as utility #3. For traits, adept is a toss up between gale song and latent stamina, for master you take invigorating torrent and elemental bastion for GM.

Druid is forced to take an offhand warhorn if they want more reliable blasting of their staff water field, which means they’ll most likely take sword mainhand. Sword, assuming they take cele or cleric for the healing power, does negligible damage and is basically a tool for them to run in circles till they can blast their heals again. Their main source of damage is their smoke and if that goes down, its GG. If they don’t take a heal based amulet, they won’t fill their CA bar on a more consistent basis meaning the amount of heal they put out can barely match an ele’s meaning they’d have to hug team mates to heal multiple targets just to keep their CA charged at a reasonable rate.

IDK man, I’ve never had much trouble vs druids.

Photinous.4628:

Cogbyrn.7283:

Photinous.4628:

Surprised reapers are not most people’s #1, deathly chill is the most broken trait in the game. Everything else seems pretty balanced to me. Can’t comment on berserker though since I never see them or play them.

Do you have anything substantial to show that it’s so broken? Or am I just going to see another strange damage breakdown from sPvP that doesn’t look right at all?

The damage is fine to me, it’s the fact that necros have a stupid amount of passive chill available to them, alongside the fact that sigil of ice being an “on hit” sigil is what makes deathly chill broken. There is no amount of condi clear that can currently avoid being permanently chilled by a reaper. Because of this, there is a constant 800-1000 damage per tick plus a permanent 66% skill cooldown increase when fighting a necro. However, no reaper will agree that it’s broken because people love staying OP so this argument is futile and we can agree to disagree.

This right here. If noobs had any slight clue as to what is actually strong/borderline OP, reaper post would be all over the place.

Thunderbird.4298:

1. God tier
2. Good (Meta) tier
3. viable tier
4. kinda viable tier
5. not viable but always end up on my team in solo qs tier
6. kitten tier (never seen in pvp) would rather be in a 4 v 5.

- Engineer – Scraper— #1/2
- Ranger – Druid— #1/2
- Revenant – Herald— #2/3
- Necromancer – Reaper—#1/2
- Thief – Daredevil—#3
- Guardian – Dugon Hunter—#3
- Warrior – berserker— #5
- Elementalist – Tempest —#2/3
- Mesmer – Chronomancer --#3

God tier: Scrapper, Reaper, DH
Good tier: Druid, Tempest, Hearld
Maybe Viable? Tier: Chrono, Daredevil
Get off my team tier: Berserker

Slininstien.7546:

Thunderbird.4298:

1. God tier
2. Good (Meta) tier
3. viable tier
4. kinda viable tier
5. not viable but always end up on my team in solo qs tier
6. kitten tier (never seen in pvp) would rather be in a 4 v 5.

- Guardian – Dugon Hunter—#3

lol

A lot of objectivity a lot of Dh says DH is #2 or #3 same with herald. All people that love a profession will never say that is a god tier pff

There is so much wrong with this kind of threads.

I’ll just toss some random unscientific numbers around:

33% here play different classes in different MMR and rank them as they experience their games. In my expectation builds will have different success based on how ‘skilled’ the players are. So some will find a build extremely strong while other dismantle it.. in the same setting.

33% (believe that they) are good and look at tournaments and what is played there and rank kitten accordingly.

33% are playing in low MMR/hotjoin, steamroll each other with cheese builds while noone has a clue what everyone is doing and expect this to always be the case in all games and rank classes accordingly.

I for myself play different classes in some mysterious MMR and I’m fine with any enemy. When I completely stomp someone or get my balls handed to me by someone else it is most times a skill issue and not a class issue. Some classes I know better, some not; some encounters are easier based on the build, some are not. I won games with 2 warriors, with 3 thiefs, I lost with DH’s, Reapers and Heralds on my team.

I work with what Anet handed to me and try to enjoy it.

God – Scrapper, Herald, Dragonhunter
Good – Reaper, Chronomancer
Viable – Tempest, Druid

Troubled – Thief, Warrior, Ranger, Revenant

God-DH,Reaper,Chrono,Tempest,Herald
Good- Scrapper,Druid,Thief
Not so Good-Warrior

God tier: Dragonhunter, Herald
Great tier: chrono, druid
Good tier: Reaper, scrapper
Viable tier:Tempest, Daredevil, elementalist, guardian, mesmer, revnant, thief
Bad tier:Necro, warrior, ranger, engineer
Worst tier: Beserker

Reasoning: this is how i would rank them based on my experience playing against them from the eyes of warrior/necro (i think every class has a natural counter so obviously some will move up or down pending on what you are playing. I also put in non elite proffessions for the simple ability to show how bad of a place warrior is really in….so much so a lot of us have quit maining it. Also to show that some professions have multiple viable builds while others have none.

God tier – chrono ,

anything else ? meh they atleast have a counter

It’s really cute when people understate their main or best build by a couple notches and place their least favorite at the top. Human nature

But I’ll be transparent this evening, for you.

From my 100% soloQ perspective, I have been most effective with the necro/Reaper

Sadly, I haven’t played in an organized team with the new elites so I can only offer SoloQ feedback.

Master Gods – Scrapper, Reaper
Elite God – Herald
Great – Chrono, DH
Good – Druid, Berserker

Note: I play 2 Reaper builds.

I hate tiers but here we go.

Transcendent God Tier
Dragon Hunter – I am a firm believer in l2p, and while DH is beatable 1v1, they are INSANE in conquest. Total point denial. There is no counterplay to Dragon’s Maw in Conquest. Your only choice is to fight them off point. And that scoreboard is ticking.

Chronomancer – _Madman you say! This post is garbage! Chronomancer isn’t OP its just shatter 2.0! _ Well, sure. Your average Chronomancer is Shatter 2.0. But in theory, Chronomancer has the highest skill cap in the game. A cap no one has reached yet. Mastery of Continuum Shift will bring about the ruin of everyone except for this theoretical Temporal God. Bow down, beg for mercy, for our time is running out. And only he shall stand in the wake of his deeds.

God Tier?

Herald – Okay so, aside Sword 3, Rev actually kinda gets demolished. However, Herald is where things get nasty. Pre-fight Might stacking is the work of the Devil. (Sadly, Maylax wishes he was the Devil.) This really is pretty OP. But Rev itself isn’t nearly as OP as made out to be. We just need counterplay to Sw3.

Druid Chris Pratt – We have Dinosaurs, you dont. Everyone seems to think Druid is OP. It really isn’t. Reapers demolish us, Condis melt us, we have little stability and Boon strips demolish us. We are tanky bar a few damage druids, we bunker and support team fights. They are God tier because lower tiers cant kill them. And Druid is still a fair margin stronger then the old meta. Reminiscent of old BM Bunk. Thye are still able to demolish many power builds, including DH.

Reaper – OH MY GOD MOM LOOK AT ME I AM LITERALLY SATAN. HAHAHAHAHAHA DIE NERD, DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Scrapper – Imagine, John Cena fused with a robot that had little robots and stole King DDD’s hammer. That is Scrapper.

Tempest – Auras, its 3:21 AM and I have collage as soon as I wake up. So this post is going to keep degrading in quality. Do you guys like anime?

Old Meta Tier

Daredevil – Teef what happen? Did your mouth daggers get removed?

Old Meta Stuff – hi

Poopy butt tier

Berserker – They are all dead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13TOx7MviGc

SlayerSixx.5763:

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SlayerSixx.5763:

You can focus a druid since they’ve got only one escape. I rarely have problems downing non-bunker druids 1v1. Bunker druids can be killed 2v1 if you wait out the stability, but they usually get help by the time that happens.

Replacing fire with tempest can actually make for a really fearsome bunker with OK damage and mobility only outmatched by a thief.

Of course scrapper is better than tempest, but tempest is still a powerful spec in the right hands, even more so than a druid with very limited options and obvious counters.

… what? No offense but do you have any idea what you are on about? Tempest is incredibly weak to cc and focus fire, more so than druid. Our only form of stability is stability (1 stack) on overload, and if we trait that we lose out ALL vigor and regen provided by auras. Earth overload cannot even be considered using because of focus 4 and 5 which are essential to our survival.

With shouts and focus offhand, we have no escape whatsoever. Lightning flash, rtl, fgs, all moot. No mobility to speak of either. We have no stunbreaks either unless we trait for auto stunbreak every 40s but we lose out on aura support upon completing an overload. Tempest is horrendously inferior to druid, so i have absolutely no idea what you’re smoking.

Ill have what youre having.

Why run shouts and focus then? Replace fire with tempest and keep your usual utility setup. Take rebound over FGS and aftershock as utility #3. For traits, adept is a toss up between gale song and latent stamina, for master you take invigorating torrent and elemental bastion for GM.

Druid is forced to take an offhand warhorn if they want more reliable blasting of their staff water field, which means they’ll most likely take sword mainhand. Sword, assuming they take cele or cleric for the healing power, does negligible damage and is basically a tool for them to run in circles till they can blast their heals again. Their main source of damage is their smoke and if that goes down, its GG. If they don’t take a heal based amulet, they won’t fill their CA bar on a more consistent basis meaning the amount of heal they put out can barely match an ele’s meaning they’d have to hug team mates to heal multiple targets just to keep their CA charged at a reasonable rate.

IDK man, I’ve never had much trouble vs druids.

Im having this nagging suspicion that you have absolutely no idea how tempest works. And i think im right.

Let’s address your points. Why take shouts? In simple terms, the entire tempest build is based on aura support, shouts give aoe auras, auras give boons and healing. Boons and healing help your allies and yourself. Reason for using shouts? Check.

Why use focus? Simple, offhand dagger gets kitten d in current meta. At least it does at the level im playing at. Not too sure about lower mmr brackets. Focus offers aoe projectile blocking, targeted ranged cc, condi cleanse and reflect on a skill with short cd. Invulnerability. So on and so forth. Reason to use focus? Check.

Water/Arcana/Tempest does no damage whatsoever. Its a bunker build. And as a bunker, you’re horribly reliant on your team mates to win the game. No thanks, unless im in a premade. Air/Earth/Tempest works much better. If you take gale or latent stamina, you dont give aura share on overload. If you take invigorating torrents, you dont get stab on overload (because we need to be weaker to cc right?). Im not saying you cant run them, but you have to weigh the trade offs.

Druid AA is very strong, and their pet is unlikely to die. Constant dps check. They are not forced to run s/wh either. I have friends who play druid builds without any of those weapons and it still works like a charm. All in all, druid is way better than tempest.

For me, God tier : Druid

How the kitten CELE druid has that much healing support? Almost similar level to CLERIC bunker guaridian or CLERIC banner shout warrior.

I feel OPer than dd cele ele for this class. these guys should have no dmg at that support level. But unfortunately they do some viable damage also.

Rip hybrid plz.

Only ranking elites, because come on, everyone is playing them (as the

1st Tier): DH, Reaper, Scrapper,

2nd Tier): Herald, Chrono, Druid

3rd Tier): Tempest, Dadredevil

4th Tier:) Berserker

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For me, God tier : Druid

How the kitten CELE druid has that much healing support? Almost similar level to CLERIC bunker guaridian or CLERIC banner shout warrior.

I feel OPer than dd cele ele for this class. these guys should have no dmg at that support level. But unfortunately they do some viable damage also.

Rip hybrid plz.

I promise Druid will no longer be God tier if you counter them with a deathly chill Reaper.

Guys I really think that Heralds are more powerful than DH yet there are far far far far far more people playing DH than the former.

Does anyone know why that is?

Vapour.7348:

Guys I really think that Heralds are more powerful than DH yet there are far far far far far more people playing DH than the former.

Does anyone know why that is?

DH is easy to play to be effective. Herald isnt. Basically.

So after complaining, moaning, crying about underpowered warriors, fighting to get the buffs we needed, after all this we back where we started,

if you dont learn from your mistakes in the past your destined to repeat them, this is why this game is not esports.