Guild Wars 2

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I’m not shouting or crying OP and nerf (maybe just a little), I’m asking for explanation. I’ve got very little knowledge of mesmer, I dodged out of some of his Quickness combo at beginning, then some more and then he landed this. Huh? No glass cannon build – engi (1.7k toughness / 18k health)

He made an illusion and it attacked you. The thing about Mesmers is that, if they are running a build with illusions, those illusions do a TON of damage. On top of this, they’re covering the map since there are several of them and so its more difficult to be out of range of at least one of them. While you are trying to attack any one of them, the other illusion and the Mesmer himself are still attacking you and doing at times nearly as much damage as any one player of another class can do. It can be at times almost as if you’re facing a constant 3 v 1.

This is one of the reasons many people say the class is overpowered.

Never knew clones can one shot me, I though its mostly for confusion so real mesmer can ditch out some crap. Wow….

faileon.4381:

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I’m not shouting or crying OP and nerf (maybe just a little), I’m asking for explanation. I’ve got very little knowledge of mesmer, I dodged out of some of his Quickness combo at beginning, then some more and then he landed this. Huh? No glass cannon build – engi (1.7k toughness / 18k health)

uhm…1.7k toughness and 18k hp is indeed glass cannon. thats really low toughness, and the hp aint stellar

Wolfe.3097:

uhm…1.7k toughness and 18k hp is indeed glass cannon. thats really low toughness, and the hp aint stellar

It’s not gonna get much higher as engineer.

Wolfe.3097:

faileon.4381:

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I’m not shouting or crying OP and nerf (maybe just a little), I’m asking for explanation. I’ve got very little knowledge of mesmer, I dodged out of some of his Quickness combo at beginning, then some more and then he landed this. Huh? No glass cannon build – engi (1.7k toughness / 18k health)

uhm…1.7k toughness and 18k hp is indeed glass cannon. thats really low toughness, and the hp aint stellar

huh? If he had 1.7k toughness that means he had soldiers amulet. Soldiers amulet is glass cannon build to u?

faileon.4381:

Never knew clones can one shot me, I though its mostly for confusion so real mesmer can ditch out some crap. Wow….

It wasn’t a one shot. All the damage on that death report is accumulated. So if you get hit with attack X for 2k damage 6 times before you die, it will show attack X did 12k damage.

So what happened was he had 1-2 iSwordsman out and hitting you somewhere around 4-6 times (assuming he was glass cannon) and it totalled up to tha tmuch damage before you died.

Isabis.9561:

Wolfe.3097:

faileon.4381:

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I’m not shouting or crying OP and nerf (maybe just a little), I’m asking for explanation. I’ve got very little knowledge of mesmer, I dodged out of some of his Quickness combo at beginning, then some more and then he landed this. Huh? No glass cannon build – engi (1.7k toughness / 18k health)

uhm…1.7k toughness and 18k hp is indeed glass cannon. thats really low toughness, and the hp aint stellar

huh? If he had 1.7k toughness that means he had soldiers amulet. Soldiers amulet is glass cannon build to u?

no but 1.7k toughness is low to me, 2k would be like…avg, so would 20k hp

faileon.4381:

Wolfe.3097:

uhm…1.7k toughness and 18k hp is indeed glass cannon. thats really low toughness, and the hp aint stellar

It’s not gonna get much higher as engineer.

really? i admit i have been slacking on my char eng, didnt think they had that bad of DR

Wolfe.3097:

faileon.4381:

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I’m not shouting or crying OP and nerf (maybe just a little), I’m asking for explanation. I’ve got very little knowledge of mesmer, I dodged out of some of his Quickness combo at beginning, then some more and then he landed this. Huh? No glass cannon build – engi (1.7k toughness / 18k health)

uhm…1.7k toughness and 18k hp is indeed glass cannon. thats really low toughness, and the hp aint stellar

You must be confusing armor with toughness. Armor can get to 3k or so, but 1.7k is closer to the toughness cap than not. The base is 916, builds which invest a LOT into it have 2k toughness, and the cap is 2300 if you invest only into toughness Average builds run with around 1500, glass cannon builds with between 916 – 1300.

Now, there is another side to this which is that unless you’re going very tanky and getting around 2k toughness or so, just about any build kind of is a glass cannon due to the burst damage/CC chaining in the game, but that’s a larger issue.

Skolops.2604:

Wolfe.3097:

faileon.4381:

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I’m not shouting or crying OP and nerf (maybe just a little), I’m asking for explanation. I’ve got very little knowledge of mesmer, I dodged out of some of his Quickness combo at beginning, then some more and then he landed this. Huh? No glass cannon build – engi (1.7k toughness / 18k health)

uhm…1.7k toughness and 18k hp is indeed glass cannon. thats really low toughness, and the hp aint stellar

You must be confusing armor with toughness. Armor can get to 3k or so, but 1.7k is closer to the toughness cap than not. The base is 916, builds which invest a LOT into it have 2k toughness, and the cap is 2300 if you invest only into toughness Average builds run with around 1500, glass cannon builds with between 916 – 1300.

Now, there is another side to this which is that unless you’re going very tanky and getting around 2k toughness or so, just about any build kind of is a glass cannon due to the burst damage/CC chaining in the game, but that’s a larger issue.

ty for elaborating kind sir, i tink that was my issue

An Illusionary Swordsman which deals that attack can only attack once about every 5 seconds. Assuming you dodged none of these, that would be 25 seconds worth of damage if he only cast one of them. If he brought out another after about 10 to 15 seconds, that damage would have accumulated in about 20 seconds. This damage occurred over a long time, and was very lucky because it looks like every hit crit.

The millions of clones/pets/illusions running around everywhere has gotten old real fast. 8v8s end up looking like 24 v 24, there’s so many NPCs running around it makes targeting a real player cumbersome at best. And then to top it off you get hit with 3/4/5k burst from one of them and now you’re not concetrating solely on the foe but on not getting hit by that stupid NPC again, and try to figure out where the kitten is that it belongs to…

Why are NPCs doing anything more than fluff/supplemental dmg in the first place?
It’s PvP. Not PvP+AI, right? They shouldn’t be doing anything more than what an engi turret does.

Toughness protects you from physical damage. Vitality protects you from conditions that ignore your armor and toughness.

Never knew clones can one shot me, I though its mostly for confusion so real mesmer can ditch out some crap. Wow….

This is far from a one shot. Each clone hit was averaging 3.8k and happens at most once every 5 seconds per clone (assuming he’s traited correctly). Your looking that this damage took a minimum of 15 seconds to kill you.

Also the mesmer doesn’t have a quickness combo. You are confusing blurred frenzy for a thieves pistolwhip. If we drop our quickness it’s a massive 240 second large ethereal field which will grant ~11 seconds of quickness to all allies. Not really a gimick like the thief/warrior version and more of a massive kitten you sign stamped in the ground.

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Why are NPCs doing anything more than fluff/supplemental dmg in the first place?
It’s PvP. Not PvP+AI, right? They shouldn’t be doing anything more than what an engi turret does.

Difference being the engineer didn’t spend all 70 of his trait points for the sole purpose of buffing those turrets. That mesmer did.

honestly the ONLY time ive had trouble targeting a player is when im trying to hit a smart mesmer, thieves guild is easy to tell the difference, pets are easy, rock dogs easy, etc.

Wolfe.3097:

honestly the ONLY time ive had trouble targeting a player is when im trying to hit a smart mesmer, thieves guild is easy to tell the difference, pets are easy, rock dogs easy, etc.

If you use the call target function properly and don’t have some kittentard calling an ele say then you shouldn’t have any problems with targeting the mesmer. Only problem you will have is after decoy and that’s a lot simpler than with a thief who is using his stealth’s properly.

Malakree.5912:

EDIT:

Why are NPCs doing anything more than fluff/supplemental dmg in the first place?
It’s PvP. Not PvP+AI, right? They shouldn’t be doing anything more than what an engi turret does.

Difference being the engineer didn’t spend all 70 of his trait points for the sole purpose of buffing those turrets. That mesmer did.

wtb engi traits that makes turrets sprout legs, chase their target, and increase their dmg by ~300%

also, having skills/traits is not explanation to the intended design. The question remains: Why is there so much AI involved in PvP?

Malakree.5912:

Wolfe.3097:

honestly the ONLY time ive had trouble targeting a player is when im trying to hit a smart mesmer, thieves guild is easy to tell the difference, pets are easy, rock dogs easy, etc.

If you use the call target function properly and don’t have some kittentard calling an ele say then you shouldn’t have any problems with targeting the mesmer. Only problem you will have is after decoy and that’s a lot simpler than with a thief who is using his stealth’s properly.

maybe it’s just me but when I did this the moment the mesmer made his first clone and slipped into stealth, when he came back came back the Target symbol was gone. Are they supposed to be able to remove the Call Target?