Guild Wars 2

I love my necro to death(bad joke) but its just…..sad.

I mean we have no escape mechanics., our conditions are horrible, and our minion ai is braindead. Power necro is alright, but worse than the other class variants of the build. Our heals are pretty awful, especially because of our large hp pool.
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Conditions: Well lets just take a minute to think about this. Conditions are mainly bleeds and poison. Both being relatively weak per cast, but they do damage over time!
-But HOW much damage over time?!

A basic auto cast(scepter) is 550 if rolled condition. That includes BOTH the bleeds and the base damage. Since crits don’t apply to bleeds, it will probably go around 600 tops per cast. Not total, 550 over 5 seconds. That is pretty bad considering most other classes get this much from base damage much less with critical damage applied on one hit alone.

Lets get into stacking, which is pretty awful. Considering we are the supposed to be THE condition class, you’d think we’d have an easy time.

But we get all these high damage attacks, 2-3k for one cast! Yeah…..over 10 seconds. Which if anyone knows, is nothing compared to the base damage of other professions in a lot shorter time period.(for aoe). And also, we can’t crit on those cast. The bleeds do the same no matter what.

But that isn’t even the best part, our conditions are able to be removed easily! So that small 500 auto attack, that 4k aoe that hasn’t even ticked for half. GONE

What. the. hell.

Our conditions, are pathetic. We have so many options, yet none of them do even decent damage and we aren’t a class that can kite very well either.
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I just can’t express enough how annoying it is to play a necro knowing that its not competitive.

Heh, think it depends on your build and playstyle. I know I’m going to get flamed but, can’t say I’ve personally had a lot of trouble, it’s been pretty easy tbh – usually in the top 2 for points and running 90% + win ratio in tpvp and spvp on my necro. Having said that though I think competitive builds are limited and minion AI is just terrible – if they would all attack the target I want them to attack it would be fantastic as minion/axe builds can dish out a lot of damage..

Anyway my 2 cents, I think classes like warriors have it a lot harder and the thing is everyone does complain about how weak there class is compared to other classes – the grass is always greener I guess….

Ebola.1907:

Heh, think it depends on your build and playstyle. I know I’m going to get flamed but, can’t say I’ve personally had a lot of trouble, it’s been pretty easy tbh – usually in the top 2 for points and running 90% + win ratio in tpvp and spvp on my necro. Having said that though I think competitive builds are limited and minion AI is just terrible – if they would all attack the target I want them to attack it would be fantastic as minion/axe builds can dish out a lot of damage..

Anyway my 2 cents, I think classes like warriors have it a lot harder and the thing is everyone does complain about how weak there class is compared to other classes – the grass is always greener I guess….

Hey if I got carried i wouldn’t have a hard time either.
-Pretty much sums it up right there.

Warriors have it “alright”. I think the movement speed trait(while holding melee) should just be already incorporated though, that is just silly.

Ebola.1907:

Heh, think it depends on your build and playstyle. I know I’m going to get flamed but, can’t say I’ve personally had a lot of trouble, it’s been pretty easy tbh – usually in the top 2 for points and running 90% + win ratio in tpvp and spvp on my necro. Having said that though I think competitive builds are limited and minion AI is just terrible – if they would all attack the target I want them to attack it would be fantastic as minion/axe builds can dish out a lot of damage..

Anyway my 2 cents, I think classes like warriors have it a lot harder and the thing is everyone does complain about how weak there class is compared to other classes – the grass is always greener I guess….

90%+ win ratio on tpvp? Do you play with a team of 5?
Do you never get leavers? (i had over 30% of my games start 4on5 or 3on5 last night, yes i keep track)
please screen shot your pvp tab, i’d like to see this.

I think necs are an extremely solid class, they just don’t function so well by themselves. In a team they’re amazing, solo they are decent but not on par with the solo superstars.

dreztina.4820:

I think necs are an extremely solid class, they just don’t function so well by themselves. In a team they’re amazing, solo they are decent but not on par with the solo superstars.

In a team there are a couple other proffessions that are better, even for offense.

Conditions mitigate armor and can be spread by epidemic.

Larynx.2453:

Conditions mitigate armor and can be spread by epidemic.

Which would be a huge thing…….if that mattered in spvp. Straight damage still blows conditions away by miles, and armor really doesn’t play that big of a difference. I mean you got warrior and guardian in heavy armor. Sure, warrior might take that as a negative but guardian has no problem with condition removal.

Epidemic doesn’t really spread conditions as well as you’d think. First off it can be dodged, and it also takes 1 second cast leaving a huge interrupt window.
-Beyond that most conditions are aoe already, and even with epidemic(which mainly is good for ove/spvp and non competitive pvp), your conditions still won’t do the damage as basic aoe by other classes.(even when specced full conditions)

Lol I don’t get carried, and there is only so much you can get carried in tpvp - usually if your carrying someone you will lose if your against any half way decent team... Sorry your counterpoint is kinda crap - anyway I expected to get flamed on a whine post....

I am sorry I have a different opinion from you, because it doesn’t look like a discussion is what you want, but if your solely basing your experience on hot joins like a lot of people tend to do, then your doing it wrong, not that I would mind more necro buffs mind you, I just don’t believe the problem is as bad as your making it out to be...

I’ll post a screen grab for you if you want when i get home from work Zin, I have been pretty lucky there, usually my side has been the 5 v 4 - and I’m no doubt playing vastly different hours from you if your based in NA. Games shouldn’t start with less than a full group it’s bs that they do.. :/

Im sorry did you say your conditions are terrible….

HUH.

I actually think Necro is in a really good spot right now. There’s some bugs that need to be fixed, but that’s about it.

If I didn’t have to trait 30 into Soul Reaping for stability. I’d be a happy camper, but hey you can’t have everything.

Ebola.1907:

Lol I don’t get carried, and there is only so much you can get carried in tpvp – usually if your carrying someone you will lose if your against any half way decent team… Sorry your counterpoint is kinda crap – anyway I expected to get flamed on a whine post….

I am sorry I have a different opinion from you, because it doesn’t look like a discussion is what you want, but if your solely basing your experience on hot joins like a lot of people tend to do, then your doing it wrong, not that I would mind more necro buffs mind you, I just don’t believe the problem is as bad as your making it out to be…

I’ll post a screen grab for you if you want when i get home from work Zin, I have been pretty lucky there, usually my side has been the 5 v 4 – and I’m no doubt playing vastly different hours from you if your based in NA. Games shouldn’t start with less than a full group it’s bs that they do.. :/

Cool, i’ll check back later for it.

a good necro in a team really helps,since ur conditions bypass their toughness and go straight to their hp pool. had a nice fight alongside this necro in 4vs 5 in tpvp since most new players in spvp/tpvp tend to go glass cannon.

Ebola.1907:

Heh, think it depends on your build and playstyle. I know I’m going to get flamed but, can’t say I’ve personally had a lot of trouble, it’s been pretty easy tbh – usually in the top 2 for points and running 90% + win ratio in tpvp and spvp on my necro. Having said that though I think competitive builds are limited and minion AI is just terrible – if they would all attack the target I want them to attack it would be fantastic as minion/axe builds can dish out a lot of damage..

Anyway my 2 cents, I think classes like warriors have it a lot harder and the thing is everyone does complain about how weak there class is compared to other classes – the grass is always greener I guess….

Hey could you message me your build and such.. Just started necro.. Still trying to get use to how it works and a good build. Also played a d/d bunker ele… With no build knowledge other then the trait point distribution. yeah that build is way over the top.. I wanna find a good one for necro as well. And something funny I noticed in SOTG they said they want bunkers with lots of boons to have a natural enemy… Shouldn’t that enemy be a necro? They already have skills that turn all boons into conditions… Maybe they should put that into a weapon skill as well.

Edit: What I really think would be cool is if necros got a portal

Try the flesh worm, it will teleport to where you left it, I never use it but you could also look at spectral walk, does something very similar

Ebola.1907:

Try the flesh worm, it will teleport to where you left it, I never use it but you could also look at spectral walk, does something very similar

How long does it live? And is it worth using? I think the biggest gripe with Mesmer portal is it teleports more than one person.. If they made flesh worm where it survived indefinitely (haven’t used it yet) and you could teleport 5 people back to it… It may just replace Mesmer portal

Yeah it’s not that great, it applies to only you and the creature can die pretty easy – like most necro creatures, though I think they do 800 dmg a hit, which for a non elite is pretty good I think

Well hopefully necros get a better portal mechanic=more necro’s in tourneys, more build options for mesmers

Ebola.1907:

Yeah it’s not that great, it applies to only you and the creature can die pretty easy – like most necro creatures, though I think they do 800 dmg a hit, which for a non elite is pretty good I think

still waiting for that 90%+ win rate in tspvp screen shot.

Also, it does do around 800 damage. (seems to always do much more than the tooltip implies) But its attack speed is slower than other pets like the shadow fiend.

If you go full glass-canon your marks can crit till 7k, if you go balanced with def specs you still can destroy in teamfights, especially with wells. Besides that you have lot of different conditions, aoe rezz signet and plague + deathshroud, makes you really survivable. If you need mobility or combat-leavers take worm with you. The fact that necro has not only one viable build makes that class even viabler.
If you give a necro more mobility i think this would be too strong.