Guild Wars 2

Too many classes have low skill floors and/or ceilings. Can we get devs to focus on raising these?

Each season you tend to see the classes that are the easiest to play & highest reward dominate every season.

Can we please get a increase in either the skill floor or drastic decrease in the effectiveness of the low skill floor classes/builds

Thx

The rest of us have been asking for this for just about 5 years now, and we’re still waiting. With the next expac coming up, I doubt we’ll see it before then and we most definitely will not see it after.

Changing the floors does literally nothing for mid level and high level PvP, while at the same time throwing new players under the bus.

how about making pvp fun to play?
at the time pvp is not fun while playing, its just satisfying after you won a match.

Crinn.7864:

Changing the floors does literally nothing for mid level and high level PvP, while at the same time throwing new players under the bus.

I think you need to read the OP again because you missed most of the post

Lol this is funny coming from you, considering you are always so quick to tell people its a L2P issue and that low skill floor builds arent’ effective in higher levels of play, which “obviously” means they are fine as they are.

OriOri.8724:

Lol this is funny coming from you, considering you are always so quick to tell people its a L2P issue and that low skill floor builds arent’ effective in higher levels of play, which “obviously” means they are fine as they are.

Your little jab would have merit if he was asking for classes to have lowered skill floors or if he was asking for outright nerfs which he/she/it isn’t.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

OriOri.8724:

Lol this is funny coming from you, considering you are always so quick to tell people its a L2P issue and that low skill floor builds arent’ effective in higher levels of play, which “obviously” means they are fine as they are.

Your little jab would have merit if he was asking for classes to have lowered skill floors or if he was asking for outright nerfs which he/she/it isn’t.

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Azukas.1426:

Crinn.7864:

Changing the floors does literally nothing for mid level and high level PvP, while at the same time throwing new players under the bus.

I think you need to read the OP again because you missed most of the post

I don’t think you know what a skill floor is.

Nobody on the leaderboard is playing at or near the skill floor. The variance in classes skill floor has no bearing on a class’s distribution on the leaderboard. Saying that low skill floor classes “dominate” ranked seasons is false, unless you are talking about ability to dominate bronze.

Crinn.7864:

Azukas.1426:

Crinn.7864:

Changing the floors does literally nothing for mid level and high level PvP, while at the same time throwing new players under the bus.

I think you need to read the OP again because you missed most of the post

I don’t think you know what a skill floor is.

Nobody on the leaderboard is playing at or near the skill floor. The variance in classes skill floor has no bearing on a class’s distribution on the leaderboard. Saying that low skill floor classes “dominate” ranked seasons is false, unless you are talking about ability to dominate bronze.

Yea, this is mainly a Bronze/Silver/Gold issue where an easy build like full trap DH gets auto kills because people crosses the trap ring.

I’m all for turning this game’s weapon skills into a Skill Shot but that’s not going to happen and like Crinn said, newer players who already finds Conquest challenging, will just experience more frustration with this new learning curve.

Delete passives & auto-procs. Increase active, reaction-based play.

Remove tab targeting from the game, the action camera is now default.

And I am being dead serious too. I use exclusively action camera even though I know it puts me at a disadvantage, because it makes the game x10 more rewarding and fun. AC mode adds depth that the game is currently missing.

Either that, or anet should add a buff when using AC to aim abilities so that it becomes the better option for skilled players and tab target mode would be the “training wheels” option.

Crinn.7864:

Azukas.1426:

Crinn.7864:

Changing the floors does literally nothing for mid level and high level PvP, while at the same time throwing new players under the bus.

I think you need to read the OP again because you missed most of the post

I don’t think you know what a skill floor is.

Nobody on the leaderboard is playing at or near the skill floor. The variance in classes skill floor has no bearing on a class’s distribution on the leaderboard. Saying that low skill floor classes “dominate” ranked seasons is false, unless you are talking about ability to dominate bronze.

Skill floor is the minimum skill required to play the class to get decent results. Skill ceiling is the amount of skill needed to reach maximum results.

For every season so far there have been classes with very low skill floors that are always picked to play. (Gonna pick on DH. Not complaining about DH just using an example) Look at DH. Remember you’d queue into a ranked game and there would be a minimum of 4 DH’s in a given game? This is the classic example of low skill floor carrying players and dominating ranked play. Even Evan the Dev stated DH had too low a skill floor for the rewards you’d get. And this was apparent in EVERY tier of PvP.

So while I appreciate the input and your opinion, please be aware I’m not here to nerf classes, but instead create an environment that rewards skillful play.

Thank You

p.s. I forgot to add games like Counterstrike have an insanely high skill floor to compete. These games generally kitten on GW2 in terms of viewership & # of players who play the game. Creating a game that fosters skillful play does not hinder it’s growth, but as history shows nutures it.

GW2 was not packaged (in mechanical terms ) or sold as a hard core PvP arena game. It’s audience really is not hard core PvP players or pros.

Promoting organized team play and exclusivist policies of “high skill floors” just tries to make the game something it’s not.

Trying to be something you are not is a potential path to disaster.

A better option would be to aim to make PvP enjoyable.

All of the games you mention are PvP focused, I believe. GW2 is not. That’s a crucial difference because the audience is fundamentally different.

GW2’s audience is generally not that of a high end pvp game in my opinion. Therefore, making PvP focused on high end players is not logical in GW2.

Doesnt the 2 God of PvP players both play DH? how many in top 250 in both season are DH players?

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Doesnt the 2 God of PvP players both play DH? how many in top 250 in both season are DH players?

Yup. 50% of the leaderboard is thieves and guards, there are 0 mesmer players in the top 25, the number of rangers this season has gone down significantly, the number of revs in the top 100 has drastically increased (I don’t mind this), and I’m the only warrior main in top 25.

Potato.2567:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Doesnt the 2 God of PvP players both play DH? how many in top 250 in both season are DH players?

Yup. 50% of the leaderboard is thieves and guards, there are 0 mesmer players in the top 25, the number of rangers this season has gone down significantly, the number of revs in the top 100 has drastically increased (I don’t mind this), and I’m the only warrior main in top 25.

b-but warriors are OP because I can’t explode them fast enough! All the other classes die when I buttonmash 12345 in their general direction so warrior needs to be nerfed to oblivion.

Remove HoT specs from pvp – suddenly the skill floor is raised kek.

Potato.2567:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Doesnt the 2 God of PvP players both play DH? how many in top 250 in both season are DH players?

Yup. 50% of the leaderboard is thieves and guards, there are 0 mesmer players in the top 25, the number of rangers this season has gone down significantly, the number of revs in the top 100 has drastically increased (I don’t mind this), and I’m the only warrior main in top 25.

Wat? Have you checked EU LB recently? Do you know Misha is mes main and he and Sind take top two spots? Funny enough EU LB is full of warriors (Vaans alone with all his alts took few spots). Not so many thieves.

Cynz.9437:

Remove HoT specs from pvp – suddenly the skill floor is raised kek.

Potato.2567:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Doesnt the 2 God of PvP players both play DH? how many in top 250 in both season are DH players?

Yup. 50% of the leaderboard is thieves and guards, there are 0 mesmer players in the top 25, the number of rangers this season has gone down significantly, the number of revs in the top 100 has drastically increased (I don’t mind this), and I’m the only warrior main in top 25.

Wat? Have you checked EU LB recently? Do you know Misha is mes main and he and Sind take top two spots? Funny enough EU LB is full of warriors (Vaans alone with all his alts took few spots). Not so many thieves.

How do i check on EU leaderboard when i am on NA? also how do i know which class they play most/main class is?

Hlord.5940:

Cynz.9437:

Remove HoT specs from pvp – suddenly the skill floor is raised kek.

Potato.2567:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Doesnt the 2 God of PvP players both play DH? how many in top 250 in both season are DH players?

Yup. 50% of the leaderboard is thieves and guards, there are 0 mesmer players in the top 25, the number of rangers this season has gone down significantly, the number of revs in the top 100 has drastically increased (I don’t mind this), and I’m the only warrior main in top 25.

Wat? Have you checked EU LB recently? Do you know Misha is mes main and he and Sind take top two spots? Funny enough EU LB is full of warriors (Vaans alone with all his alts took few spots). Not so many thieves.

How do i check on EU leaderboard when i am on NA? also how do i know which class they play most/main class is?

Same way as all these people claiming that there is 0 mesmers on LB.

EU top 10:
2x thief
2x warrior
1x mes
1x nec
1x dh
1x druid
1x engi
No idea what “TEE MONKS” was playing.

I don’t really know 11-25, but I do recognize 2 ele players there so if you are missing eles you can find some here.

Cynz.9437:

Hlord.5940:

Cynz.9437:

Remove HoT specs from pvp – suddenly the skill floor is raised kek.

Potato.2567:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Doesnt the 2 God of PvP players both play DH? how many in top 250 in both season are DH players?

Yup. 50% of the leaderboard is thieves and guards, there are 0 mesmer players in the top 25, the number of rangers this season has gone down significantly, the number of revs in the top 100 has drastically increased (I don’t mind this), and I’m the only warrior main in top 25.

Wat? Have you checked EU LB recently? Do you know Misha is mes main and he and Sind take top two spots? Funny enough EU LB is full of warriors (Vaans alone with all his alts took few spots). Not so many thieves.

How do i check on EU leaderboard when i am on NA? also how do i know which class they play most/main class is?

Same way as all these people claiming that there is 0 mesmers on LB.

What? no seriously, you just said that top two of EU LB are mesmers, so there must be a way no? or these info are all bs?

Cynz.9437:

Wat? Have you checked EU LB recently? Do you know Misha is mes main and he and Sind take top two spots? Funny enough EU LB is full of warriors (Vaans alone with all his alts took few spots). Not so many thieves.

EU has always been lighter on the thieves and heavier on the mesmers compared to NA. At least at the high end.

Hlord.5940:

Cynz.9437:

Hlord.5940:

Cynz.9437:

Remove HoT specs from pvp – suddenly the skill floor is raised kek.

Potato.2567:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Doesnt the 2 God of PvP players both play DH? how many in top 250 in both season are DH players?

Yup. 50% of the leaderboard is thieves and guards, there are 0 mesmer players in the top 25, the number of rangers this season has gone down significantly, the number of revs in the top 100 has drastically increased (I don’t mind this), and I’m the only warrior main in top 25.

Wat? Have you checked EU LB recently? Do you know Misha is mes main and he and Sind take top two spots? Funny enough EU LB is full of warriors (Vaans alone with all his alts took few spots). Not so many thieves.

How do i check on EU leaderboard when i am on NA? also how do i know which class they play most/main class is?

Same way as all these people claiming that there is 0 mesmers on LB.

What? no seriously, you just said that top two of EU LB are mesmers, so there must be a way no? or these info are all bs?

If you are ranked high enough, you queue vs those players and know what they mainly play – no rocket science.