Guild Wars 2

Since cele amulet the entire meta has been around this amulet, especially in this meta where you have: cele rev, cele scrapper, cele tempest, cele druid, and perhaps a cele reaper. This meta is either condi heavy or bruiser heavy and cele amulet caters to both of these. Removing this amulet would promote: different comps, different builds, skillful gameplay, and it will make the game more enjoyable to watch which is what you’re going for trying to push this game esports.

Remove Cele and Condi will reign as god.

Aylpse.6280:

Remove Cele and Condi will reign as god.

Nah, coordinated bursts in high tier pvp gameplay will outplay condis.

cele amulet is balanced.

have you actually tried using cele amulet yourself?

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

cele amulet is balanced.

have you actually tried using cele amulet yourself?

Is this a joke?

Celestial 19
Marauder 8
Viper 7 (or 8 )
Carrion 2
Berserker 2
Soldier 1
Wanderer 0 (or 1)

There are the amulets for recent pro league

I don’t think cele needs to be removed, but it should be nerfed. Maybe make the stats all 480 instead of 560. Idk if thats exactly what should be done, but this amulet should probably be changed.

Meanwhile other amulets like barbarian and knights never see any use and need buffs.

I made a post a while back, but to summarize-

3 stat amulets: 3000 accumulated points
4 stat amulets: 3220 accumulated points
Celestial amulet: 3920 accumulated points

Simple math dictates the power of Celestial. Its like starting a match with ascended gear. The obvious suggestion is to mediate all stats to 3220. 700 from 7 stats is 100 per stat, making celestial 460 per item instead of 560. 220 into each stat for 3 stats is roughly 73 points each meaning 1273, 973, 973. This may look odd, but it would even out the points.

Drennon.7190:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

cele amulet is balanced.

have you actually tried using cele amulet yourself?

Is this a joke?

Celestial 19
Marauder 8
Viper 7 (or 8 )
Carrion 2
Berserker 2
Soldier 1
Wanderer 0 (or 1)

There are the amulets for recent pro league

its used a lot, so?

it gives 560 to 7 stats.

not 1200
not 1050
not 900

There’s simply no real amulet choice between celestial and marauder for most classes. Knights, Soldiers, all those are basically useless unless you’re using some fringe gimmicky build.

We really need to be able to customize some amount of our stats again. With jewels and stats from traitlines gone there need to be WAY more diverse stat combinations on amulets, 90% of 3-stat combos are utterly useless and most 4-stat ones too.

cele is absolutely necessary and there’s IMHO no problem whatsoever with it.

To be almost 30% better than either amulet? Ye. I’d say AT LEAST a 35 point drop on each stat. That’s stupid. Did you read me post?

It can be stronger as a generalist, but it shouldn’t outmatch specialist.

Nerf the stat on it again imo.
520, or even 500 flat if you feel adventurous.

Serious Thought.5394:

To be almost 30% better than either amulet? Ye. I’d say AT LEAST a 35 point drop on each stat. That’s stupid. Did you read me post?

It can be stronger as a generalist, but it shouldn’t outmatch specialist.

focused stats are overall better than stats that are all over the place, so it’s totally okay to give cele higher stats overall.

Removing cele would for example basically remove ele from pvp… A small drop is a possibility, but there are much worse AMU’s and imbalances atm than cele.

I agree, I don’t want it deleted. I don’t want to see “And 6 of 10 contenders are running celestial amulets”. That’s not esports =( Not to me.

Off note- Vial of salt has exotic level stats (mayhaps lower?). Don’t make the ascended item, its the most literal version of gold sink available. Anet plz. I burn 60 gold and you thank me with a fake promise?

PowerBottom.5796:

Serious Thought.5394:

To be almost 30% better than either amulet? Ye. I’d say AT LEAST a 35 point drop on each stat. That’s stupid. Did you read me post?

It can be stronger as a generalist, but it shouldn’t outmatch specialist.

focused stats are overall better than stats that are all over the place, so it’s totally okay to give cele higher stats overall.

Removing cele would for example basically remove ele from pvp… A small drop is a possibility, but there are much worse AMU’s and imbalances atm than cele.

which ones? why are you afraid to tell?

+1 removing cele or nerfing it too much would mean the end for Elem… Elem’s way too much squishy in Berserk or Marauder, and not enough condi applications (the way elem’s created, suggests a “neutral” gameplay with cele, imo)

But you can’t refute that Cele is little too much strong :x maybe buff some other spec amulets?

I made this argument countless times before. all that happens is celestial players get mad that someone dare suggests having a raw 25-33% objective advantage in effectiveness is unfair and nothing changes; celestial continues to dominate the meta (as it as since 2013) and everyone playing it gets more and more self-righteous and starts spewing garbage about how non-celestial abusers have no right to criticize an amulet that drastically raises the skill floor of various professions like engineer.

how Minstrel could be declared “detrimental” to the games health while Celestial has run rampant for almost 3 years only to go completely untouched is frustrating beyond words.