Guild Wars 2

It’s hard to get excited after begging for a feature for 3-4 years

Gaile Gray.6029:

A message from the PvP Team:

In order to ensure the league leaderboard maintains a display of healthy competition, we will be enabling a new minimum games requirement. Players who do not have the minimum number of games required to stay on the leaderboard will be removed each time decay is calculated.

The current season is more than half complete, so the games threshold will be set to a lower value than what we expect future seasons to use. The current minimum is 40 games. Future seasons will ramp up the minimum game requirement over the length of the season and a UI component will display this value.

We are excited to see how fierce the competition gets as the season comes to close. See you in The Mists!

Thanks! Can’t wait for the update — it’ll do good.

vorpal.1497:

It’s hard to get excited after begging for a feature for 3-4 years

They were not asking you to be excited.

Great, i hope for next season they don’t place people at legendary. It should be Platinum t1 or t2 max imho.

I really hope min games for next season will be at least 100 matches.

but thanks for doing this now.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Spartacus.3192:

I really hope min games for next season will be at least 100 matches.

but thanks for doing this now.

We were thinking something like 10 per week, but it is configurable. We could to 1 a day, 20 per 2 weeks, etc.

The only problem with 10 per week is if people going on vacations for a week and failing the requirement,

So it could be every 2 weeks at least with a minimum total amount of at least 100 please.

40 still feels too low, even at this point on the season. Should’ve been at least 100 and at least 200 for the new season.

Spartacus.3192:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Spartacus.3192:

I really hope min games for next season will be at least 100 matches.

but thanks for doing this now.

We were thinking something like 10 per week, but it is configurable. We could to 1 a day, 20 per 2 weeks, etc.

The only problem with 10 per week is if people going on vacations for a week and failing the requirement,

So it could be every 2 weeks at least with a minimum total amount of at least 100 please.

yeah thats a large req

you have to make it per division . Lower divisions don’t play that much. Higher will if they want to keep their rank. So time deviates comparing the rank your in.

has the leaderboard been updated?

Evan Lesh.3295:

Spartacus.3192:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Spartacus.3192:

I really hope min games for next season will be at least 100 matches.

but thanks for doing this now.

We were thinking something like 10 per week, but it is configurable. We could to 1 a day, 20 per 2 weeks, etc.

The only problem with 10 per week is if people going on vacations for a week and failing the requirement,

So it could be every 2 weeks at least with a minimum total amount of at least 100 please.

The cutoff works just like dishonor in that if you come back and play those 10 games, you’ll go right back on the leaderboard. If you go on vacation a week before the season ends, well, then decay will remove you anyways.

Ahhh ok I understand so when you say 10 per week you can make those back on another week but the beauty is you need to play throughout the season. Having just a 100 match min and no weekly min setup you could just play 100 in the first 2 weeks and then one match every 3 days. I like your idea so long as the total min (min per week over the entire season adds upto over 100)

and i would it make it more dis-rewarding the higher you are. so meaning you have to play more in higher divisions. So current proposal is crap.

40 is not enough, it should be 100 and yes I get that you’re implementing this most of the way through a season, however you’ve sat on your hands doing nothing when this problem came to light, this should have been done weeks ago.

Spartacus.3192:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Spartacus.3192:

I really hope min games for next season will be at least 100 matches.

but thanks for doing this now.

We were thinking something like 10 per week, but it is configurable. We could to 1 a day, 20 per 2 weeks, etc.

The only problem with 10 per week is if people going on vacations for a week and failing the requirement,

So it could be every 2 weeks at least with a minimum total amount of at least 100 please.

Irrelevant, if you go away within a season don’t expect to make the top leaderboard. You’ll have the next season.

so follow this thread , the higher you are the more you have to play, and this should be if you want to hold your rank. Remind only 2% is on forum so this is as valid as any comment here. But keep your start intentions, playable for everyone so deviate.

will it be possible for players to see their mmr at < 40 games played? are we looking at a possible scenario where someone “hides” from the leaderboard by only playing 33 games then comes back at the end of the season and gets 6 or 7 wins (to eat decay) and suddenly pops onto the leaderboard unexpectedly, especially in a high position?

<3 Thank you so much! I will never be in the top 250, but its really sad to see someone in the #1 spot with 19 games and 0 losses, while even I have over 100 games played. Top level players should be PLAYING not abusing the system like they are currently.

40 is just to low for plat or higher players

decay should also not be rewarding as it is ok for div until silver, higher bad luck just play for it. You made divisions, the people who want to be high go for it, the rest not playing don’t bother. I only get to gold, but i expect the people going higher put some effort in it, and if they don’t play they don’t belong in a league.

@ Evan … what about the bonus mmr per game when decayed ?

At the moment you get an extra mmr/ranking boost when decayed and playing games so you get higher than your rank before decay.
For example : i have 1700 rating, get decay (-100) and with an 50% winratio (after about 10 games) i may get to 1750 or even higher.
This is impossible when u get no decay cause you usually loose more mmr than gaining on a 50% winratio.

I’ve seen a lot people in my friend-/guild-ranking that suddenly jump >100 rating when returning from inaktivity while they do not have any winstreaks.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Spartacus.3192:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Spartacus.3192:

I really hope min games for next season will be at least 100 matches.

but thanks for doing this now.

We were thinking something like 10 per week, but it is configurable. We could to 1 a day, 20 per 2 weeks, etc.

The only problem with 10 per week is if people going on vacations for a week and failing the requirement,

So it could be every 2 weeks at least with a minimum total amount of at least 100 please.

The cutoff works just like dishonor in that if you come back and play those 10 games, you’ll go right back on the leaderboard. If you go on vacation a week before the season ends, well, then decay will remove you anyways.

So if I understand this correctly, someone could play just enough games to meet the minimum total requirement and place high on the leaderboards, AFK the entire rest of the season, then come back and play 10 more ranked games a day or two before the season ends and still keep their rank near the top? Or is this a 10 games per week thing where if they stop playing for say 7 weeks they have to play 70 games to get back on the leaderboard? Because I don’t think the prior is all that fair to the people who do play everyday and are risking their MMR every day.

Blackwyn.8127:

40 still feels too low, even at this point on the season. Should’ve been at least 100 and at least 200 for the new season.

200 is too much, if you want it to be serious then i guess 150 would be middle ground but you want to see who the top 250 players are not who are the best grinding players are.

lol, but still decay shouldn’t go higher then current minus one, the rest you have to play for. ex you had plat, went for holiday decay get you to gold t3, rest you have to play for.
And remind lower divisions less restrictions higher more. The higher you get, the harder it is to stay, like anywhere in this world.

LOl 40 games is nothing. u can play that in 1 day

Gaile Gray.6029:

In order to ensure the league leaderboard maintains a display of healthy competition, we will be enabling a new minimum games requirement.

Excellent news! This is a change I think a lot of us were looking for in NA.

wwDefuser.2056:

@ Evan … what about the bonus mmr per game when decayed ?

This exactly. Coming back from decay was discussed as a viable strategy for climbing through leagues this season. Will this be addressed for Season 6?

Great, thanks for taking action on this. A little of my faith in ANET is restored.

In EU this system isnt even necessary because everybody always plays their hardest and nobody ever tries to game the system/Leaderboards.

Will you cap placement games (at plat t1 for example)?

Ross Biddle.2367:

In EU this system isnt even necessary because most everybody always plays their hardest and almost nobody ever tries to game the system/Leaderboards.

It’s always wise never to speak in absolutes on things like this. NA does definitely have the worse issues with this, so addressing it now stops it from happening down the road.

It also discourages playing on alt accounts, to the point where it would be unfavorable to your overall attempts to secure the highest rating.

Either way, this was a good decision.

Great Change!

But while it probably wont affect me much (average Platinum Player here)
I agree with this guy:

RedZebra.2345:

you have to make it per division . Lower divisions don’t play that much. Higher will if they want to keep their rank. So time deviates comparing the rank your in.

Players in Bronze and Silver usually are in Bronze and Silver because they just dont play that much PvP and thats why they are unexperienced at it

So a kind of decreasing requirement could work:
Less Games required the lower the division is

I didnt give much thought in how to do it best yet…
But i think some way of making it less punishing/demanding for lower divisions would be good
Since probably 90% of Bronze players just wont play that much and you cant just make every bronze player land at 0 Rating xD
Within their Bronze Division they can be “competitive” with less games

Doesnt mean there should be 0 requirement in Bronze like it is right now
Just less than what Legendary, Platinum need to do

Orangensaft.7139:

Great Change!

But while it probably wont affect me much (average Platinum Player here)
I agree with this guy:

RedZebra.2345:

you have to make it per division . Lower divisions don’t play that much. Higher will if they want to keep their rank. So time deviates comparing the rank your in.

Players in Bronze and Silver usually are in Bronze and Silver because they just dont play that much PvP and thats why they are unexperienced at it

So a kind of decreasing requirement could work:
Less Games required the lower the division is

I didnt give much thought in how to do it best yet…
But i think some way of making it less punishing/demanding for lower divisions would be good
Since probably 90% of Bronze players just wont play that much and you cant just make every bronze player land at 0 Rating xD
Within their Bronze Division they can be “competitive” with less games

Doesnt mean there should be 0 requirement in Bronze like it is right now
Just less than what Legendary, Platinum need to do

I think a lot of people are confused about this. She said the Leaderboards have a minimum game requirement. Bronze and Silver players aren’t in the Top 250, so they would be unaffected by this change.

Kreweless.2196:

Orangensaft.7139:

Great Change!

But while it probably wont affect me much (average Platinum Player here)
I agree with this guy:

RedZebra.2345:

you have to make it per division . Lower divisions don’t play that much. Higher will if they want to keep their rank. So time deviates comparing the rank your in.

Players in Bronze and Silver usually are in Bronze and Silver because they just dont play that much PvP and thats why they are unexperienced at it

So a kind of decreasing requirement could work:
Less Games required the lower the division is

I didnt give much thought in how to do it best yet…
But i think some way of making it less punishing/demanding for lower divisions would be good
Since probably 90% of Bronze players just wont play that much and you cant just make every bronze player land at 0 Rating xD
Within their Bronze Division they can be “competitive” with less games

Doesnt mean there should be 0 requirement in Bronze like it is right now
Just less than what Legendary, Platinum need to do

I think a lot of people are confused about this. She said the Leaderboards have a minimum game requirement. Bronze and Silver players aren’t in the Top 250, so they would be unaffected by this change.

Omg i feel so stupid now xDD

You are right indeed
I guess it is just a good change then with no bad thing coming from it

Gaile Gray.6029:

A message from the PvP Team:

In order to ensure the league leaderboard maintains a display of healthy competition, we will be enabling a new minimum games requirement. Players who do not have the minimum number of games required to stay on the leaderboard will be removed each time decay is calculated.

The current season is more than half complete, so the games threshold will be set to a lower value than what we expect future seasons to use. The current minimum is 40 games. Future seasons will ramp up the minimum game requirement over the length of the season and a UI component will display this value.

We are excited to see how fierce the competition gets as the season comes to close. See you in The Mists!

Thanks.

This is a good improvement.. However, what about more than a duo queue? I think I can speak for a lot of PvPrs who have pvp’d for a long time. Myself since beta, that we miss Q’n up with a group of guildies.. Ranked should be about skill not luck. Yet, to group and coordinate with my guildies, we’re now forced into unranked.. Guess what? People in unranked get really upset at us for being a premade in unranked.. Yet.. where else are we supposed to go? As it is now, my guildies and I can go dominate a few matches with zero competition in unanked, or we can duo at the most.. and get stuck with people who quit in a close match because “I’m only hear for the gear anyways”…. This is a joke.. Ranked should be about skilled players. not people after easy backpacks and ascended armor. Incorp these items in unranked, or allow teams to Q in ranked… being stuck in 2-3 outa 5 matches with someone who doens’t give a crap about winning, is getting kitten old, real quick. Thanks!

Gaile Gray.6029:

A message from the PvP Team:

In order to ensure the league leaderboard maintains a display of healthy competition, we will be enabling a new minimum games requirement. Players who do not have the minimum number of games required to stay on the leaderboard will be removed each time decay is calculated.

The current season is more than half complete, so the games threshold will be set to a lower value than what we expect future seasons to use. The current minimum is 40 games. Future seasons will ramp up the minimum game requirement over the length of the season and a UI component will display this value.

We are excited to see how fierce the competition gets as the season comes to close. See you in The Mists!

The biggest problem is own system, the game reward works terrible. I look wiki page that explain it and it dosn’t correspond to reality. Easy, you win you get 11-13 points ( 99% times ) you lose you get -13 /-14 points ( 99% times ) and don’t play with a friend then, if you win 3-4 points and if you lose -19/-24 points. This “system” it’s broken obviously.

And yes, you can tell me lot of info about this, about another one amazing thing of system that we can’t see, several improvements, but I look reality and it sucks.

10 per week is actually a good number

@kreweless
why you say that it only affect the top 250, it will affect everyone.
And that is the main problem.

Pun.8153:

Gaile Gray.6029:

A message from the PvP Team:

In order to ensure the league leaderboard maintains a display of healthy competition, we will be enabling a new minimum games requirement. Players who do not have the minimum number of games required to stay on the leaderboard will be removed each time decay is calculated.

The current season is more than half complete, so the games threshold will be set to a lower value than what we expect future seasons to use. The current minimum is 40 games. Future seasons will ramp up the minimum game requirement over the length of the season and a UI component will display this value.

We are excited to see how fierce the competition gets as the season comes to close. See you in The Mists!

The biggest problem is own system, the game reward works terrible. I look wiki page that explain it and it dosn’t correspond to reality. Easy, you win you get 11-13 points ( 99% times ) you lose you get -13 /-14 points ( 99% times ) and don’t play with a friend then, if you win 3-4 points and if you lose -19/-24 points. This “system” it’s broken obviously.

And yes, you can tell me lot of info about this, about another one amazing thing of system that we can’t see, several improvements, but I look reality and it sucks.

It is related to your rating and your opponents rating. Queue with a friend that has a higher rating and you should be getting more points for a win than a loss.

@Faux, that is also a problem. Shouldn’t go like this.

RedZebra.2345:

@kreweless
why you say that it only affect the top 250, it will affect everyone.
And that is the main problem.

It will only affect the top 250. It is true that if someone in a lower tier doesn’t play enough games per week they won’t be on the leaderboard because of this rule, however they also won’t be on the leaderboard because they are not rated high enough to be on it so it makes no difference.

Faux Play.6104:

Pun.8153:

Gaile Gray.6029:

A message from the PvP Team:

In order to ensure the league leaderboard maintains a display of healthy competition, we will be enabling a new minimum games requirement. Players who do not have the minimum number of games required to stay on the leaderboard will be removed each time decay is calculated.

The current season is more than half complete, so the games threshold will be set to a lower value than what we expect future seasons to use. The current minimum is 40 games. Future seasons will ramp up the minimum game requirement over the length of the season and a UI component will display this value.

We are excited to see how fierce the competition gets as the season comes to close. See you in The Mists!

The biggest problem is own system, the game reward works terrible. I look wiki page that explain it and it dosn’t correspond to reality. Easy, you win you get 11-13 points ( 99% times ) you lose you get -13 /-14 points ( 99% times ) and don’t play with a friend then, if you win 3-4 points and if you lose -19/-24 points. This “system” it’s broken obviously.

And yes, you can tell me lot of info about this, about another one amazing thing of system that we can’t see, several improvements, but I look reality and it sucks.

It is related to your rating and your opponents rating. Queue with a friend that has a higher rating and you should be getting more points for a win than a loss.

Yes, i know the theory. System get you more points on victories if your opponents have best rating than you, and you lost more points if they have less rating than you. But.. if always ( >95% times ) you get less points on victoriess than defeats.. system “thinks” that always you are playing with people with less rating than you? So as you can see the system works terrible, i don’t know what’s the matter ( but I have my suspicions )

@arthur leave the narrowminded leaderboard. Players compare themselve not only on the leaderboard. Among friends, among guilds etc. So you adapt your game for 250 or for the rest ?

Profession balancing needs to start happening during the actual season

RedZebra.2345:

@arthur leave the narrowminded leaderboard. Players compare themselve not only on the leaderboard. Among friends, among guilds etc. So you adapt your game for 250 or for the rest ?

Gaile Gray.6029:

Players who do not have the minimum number of games required to stay on the leaderboard will be removed each time decay is calculated.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Players who do not have the minimum number of games required to stay on the leaderboard

Gaile Gray.6029:

stay on the leaderboard

Gaile Gray.6029:

leaderboard

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