Changes to League Rating Leaderboard
This has not been completed. The current leader board shows a player in the #4 slot with only 39 games.
I humbly request that anet do as stated and require 80 games to be on the leaderboard.
This has not been completed. The current leader board shows a player in the #4 slot with only 39 games.
Forfeits (losses where a teammate not in your party DCs) count towards your #game played despite not incrementing your loss count.
He has played 40 games but only 39 of them are effecting his rating.
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80 was the stated number for end of season
This is only one part of what needs to be done. I understand this is to address one specific issue but I haven’t heard of any concrete plans to address other issues yet. The matchmaking still needs to be much more discerning with class duplication and rating difference allowable and no one after placement should be higher then tier 1 Platinum.
80 was the stated number for end of season
The current minimum is 40 games.
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Sounds good!
I would also say; keep a minimum of 100 matches to get on the leaderboard at the end of the season.
Rest are just exploiting the leaderboard by queuing with multiple accounts etc..
I really hope min games for next season will be at least 100 matches.
but thanks for doing this now.
We were thinking something like 10 per week, but it is configurable. We could to 1 a day, 20 per 2 weeks, etc.
The only problem with 10 per week is if people going on vacations for a week and failing the requirement,
So it could be every 2 weeks at least with a minimum total amount of at least 100 please.
The cutoff works just like dishonor in that if you come back and play those 10 games, you’ll go right back on the leaderboard. If you go on vacation a week before the season ends, well, then decay will remove you anyways.
So if I understand this correctly, someone could play just enough games to meet the minimum total requirement and place high on the leaderboards, AFK the entire rest of the season, then come back and play 10 more ranked games a day or two before the season ends and still keep their rank near the top? Or is this a 10 games per week thing where if they stop playing for say 7 weeks they have to play 70 games to get back on the leaderboard? Because I don’t think the prior is all that fair to the people who do play everyday and are risking their MMR every day.
The total is cumulative. If it’s 10 per week and an 8 week season, you need to have played 80 games by the end of the season.
The emphasis is mine.
Ithilwen, that quote is talking about future seasons. This season is 40 games minimum to appear on the boards.
Restore that which was lost. And all shall be as one.”
Yep, you’re right. I’m deeply disappointed, but you are right.
Plz explain me how is this fair ? I tired to play my percentage is better and others are higher than me with worst percentage and amount of wins
Plz explain me how is this fair ? I tired to play my percentage is better and others are higher than me with worst percentage and amount of wins
there is more than just your win percentage that goes into your rating.
S P E E D Starr #0 Necro NA or
I Am NeXeD awful d/D ele NA
Plz explain me how is this fair ? I tired to play my percentage is better and others are higher than me with worst percentage and amount of wins
its not about how much you win. It’s about who you win against. Winning less against high ranked players will get you better rating than winning lots against low ranked players
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Plz explain me how is this fair ? I tired to play my percentage is better and others are higher than me with worst percentage and amount of wins
its not about how much you win. It’s about who you win against. Winning less against high ranked players will get you better rating than winning lots against low ranked players
Joking right?
You want to tell me that the guys has 27 win 26 looses is more possible lost all the time from the top 40 players and and won higher rank players?
And i won all these kittening games and all were bad? kitten even if this true fix the kittening system!
Plz explain me how is this fair ? I tired to play my percentage is better and others are higher than me with worst percentage and amount of wins
there is more than just your win percentage that goes into your rating.
Such as? Explain the guy that has 27 wins and 26 looses and he is 20 point higher me or the other that has more defeats than wins and he lower me but still close to me.
Something works wrong!
I really hope min games for next season will be at least 100 matches.
but thanks for doing this now.
We were thinking something like 10 per week, but it is configurable. We could to 1 a day, 20 per 2 weeks, etc.
The only problem with 10 per week is if people going on vacations for a week and failing the requirement,
So it could be every 2 weeks at least with a minimum total amount of at least 100 please.
The cutoff works just like dishonor in that if you come back and play those 10 games, you’ll go right back on the leaderboard. If you go on vacation a week before the season ends, well, then decay will remove you anyways.
So if I understand this correctly, someone could play just enough games to meet the minimum total requirement and place high on the leaderboards, AFK the entire rest of the season, then come back and play 10 more ranked games a day or two before the season ends and still keep their rank near the top? Or is this a 10 games per week thing where if they stop playing for say 7 weeks they have to play 70 games to get back on the leaderboard? Because I don’t think the prior is all that fair to the people who do play everyday and are risking their MMR every day.
The total is cumulative. If it’s 10 per week and an 8 week season, you need to have played 80 games by the end of the season.
The emphasis is mine.
I do think that 80 games is still too low for a 2 month season. Double that would be preferable in my opinion, and that would still average out to fewer than 3 games a day if you just wanted to hit the minimum.
Plz explain me how is this fair ? I tired to play my percentage is better and others are higher than me with worst percentage and amount of wins
there is more than just your win percentage that goes into your rating.
Such as? Explain the guy that has 27 wins and 26 looses and he is 20 point higher me or the other that has more defeats than wins and he lower me but still close to me.
Something works wrong!
That guy has probably been playing harder competition in the games he has played. You have alot of games so it looks as though you fought your way up there a lower division. Not everyone will get into the top 250 and you all have to realize that not all of you are top 10% and everyone is on the same system.
S P E E D Starr #0 Necro NA or
I Am NeXeD awful d/D ele NA
im not claiming im good. nowhere did i claim i was good. I was trying to be reasonable until you decided to tell me to think before i speak.
There is no problem with how many games you play but just because you played more games than someone doesnt mean you should be rated higher.
Why is it everyone who isnt advancing in rating keeps saying its luck or its the system…. There is no invisible force making sure everyone else is higher rated, everyone else has the SAME system.
You are right i dont Q with a friend i Q solo almost 100% of the time. I lose games alll the time but i dont just come to the forums and blame the system or ask why some guy is higher rated with more losses….. I know why. Its because that person won games against higher rated players and didnt lose to people they shouldnt. Its not difficult to understand.
S P E E D Starr #0 Necro NA or
I Am NeXeD awful d/D ele NA
Also i don’t see anyone from Anet personal gives an answer about this !
You just leave other players answer for you.
Any reason?
P.S : i am still waiting answer for my old post why i lost points.
Lucky that time i had this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUmCJ15Jsrc&feature=youtu.be
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im not claiming im good. nowhere did i claim i was good. I was trying to be reasonable until you decided to tell me to think before i speak.
There is no problem with how many games you play but just because you played more games than someone doesnt mean you should be rated higher.
Why is it everyone who isnt advancing in rating keeps saying its luck or its the system…. There is no invisible force making sure everyone else is higher rated, everyone else has the SAME system.
You are right i dont Q with a friend i Q solo almost 100% of the time. I lose games alll the time but i dont just come to the forums and blame the system or ask why some guy is higher rated with more losses….. I know why. Its because that person won games against higher rated players and didnt lose to people they shouldnt. Its not difficult to understand.
Explain 27 wins and 26 looses how can be higher 181 wins 146 looses even stats are better .
When you manage to explain me this then you can talk .
Till then you are just " air talk "
Honestly I have to agree here. There is something super fishy going. If or not it’s intentional by the devs? I have no clue. However people even from the outside looking in see how crazy and how much this is a fact. Some people can win a lot of their games and end up having to carry players who don’t give one care of winning. Other players can nearly lose more games and be way higher rating and get to have more competent team mates, lose more and still the roles do not switch.
IMO it is something that ANet might be looking into. But at the same time until ANet fixes it. It is just another reason for your Ranked Leader boards in GW2 to look like a complete clown house of a joke compare to other actual PvP games leader boards.
But at least I admit it!
PoF guys get ready for PvE joys
im not claiming im good. nowhere did i claim i was good. I was trying to be reasonable until you decided to tell me to think before i speak.
There is no problem with how many games you play but just because you played more games than someone doesnt mean you should be rated higher.
Why is it everyone who isnt advancing in rating keeps saying its luck or its the system…. There is no invisible force making sure everyone else is higher rated, everyone else has the SAME system.
You are right i dont Q with a friend i Q solo almost 100% of the time. I lose games alll the time but i dont just come to the forums and blame the system or ask why some guy is higher rated with more losses….. I know why. Its because that person won games against higher rated players and didnt lose to people they shouldnt. Its not difficult to understand.
Explain 27 wins and 26 looses how can be higher 181 wins 146 looses even stats are better .
When you manage to explain me this then you can talk .
Till then you are just " air talk "Honestly I have to agree here. There is something super fishy going. If or not it’s intentional by the devs? I have no clue. However people even from the outside looking in see how crazy and how much this is a fact. Some people can win a lot of their games and end up having to carry players who don’t give one care of winning. Other players can nearly lose more games and be way higher rating and get to have more competent team mates, lose more and still the roles do not switch.
IMO it is something that ANet might be looking into. But at the same time until ANet fixes it. It is just another reason for your Ranked Leader boards in GW2 to look like a complete clown house of a joke compare to other actual PvP games leader boards.
of course you agree you have made your views pretty clear.
I have explained it… im not sure if you are just ignoring what im saying or what.
YOUR WIN PERCENTAGE DOES NOT MATTER ITS WHO YOU BEAT AND WHO YOU LOSE TO.
If you lose to lower rated players you lose more rating than if you lost to a higher rated player. If you beat a higher rated played you gain more rating than you would if you beat a lower rated player. Simple as that your win percentage doesnt matter.
S P E E D Starr #0 Necro NA or
I Am NeXeD awful d/D ele NA
im not claiming im good. nowhere did i claim i was good. I was trying to be reasonable until you decided to tell me to think before i speak.
There is no problem with how many games you play but just because you played more games than someone doesnt mean you should be rated higher.
Why is it everyone who isnt advancing in rating keeps saying its luck or its the system…. There is no invisible force making sure everyone else is higher rated, everyone else has the SAME system.
You are right i dont Q with a friend i Q solo almost 100% of the time. I lose games alll the time but i dont just come to the forums and blame the system or ask why some guy is higher rated with more losses….. I know why. Its because that person won games against higher rated players and didnt lose to people they shouldnt. Its not difficult to understand.
Explain 27 wins and 26 looses how can be higher 181 wins 146 looses even stats are better .
When you manage to explain me this then you can talk .
Till then you are just " air talk "Honestly I have to agree here. There is something super fishy going. If or not it’s intentional by the devs? I have no clue. However people even from the outside looking in see how crazy and how much this is a fact. Some people can win a lot of their games and end up having to carry players who don’t give one care of winning. Other players can nearly lose more games and be way higher rating and get to have more competent team mates, lose more and still the roles do not switch.
IMO it is something that ANet might be looking into. But at the same time until ANet fixes it. It is just another reason for your Ranked Leader boards in GW2 to look like a complete clown house of a joke compare to other actual PvP games leader boards.
of course you agree you have made your views pretty clear.
I have explained it… im not sure if you are just ignoring what im saying or what.
YOUR WIN PERCENTAGE DOES NOT MATTER ITS WHO YOU BEAT AND WHO YOU LOSE TO.
If you lose to lower rated players you lose more rating than if you lost to a higher rated player. If you beat a higher rated played you gain more rating than you would if you beat a lower rated player. Simple as that your win percentage doesnt matter.
Last time that i answer to you!
I tired make you understand!
More you loose more bad players you in game. is that kittening clear?
The more you win you should get better players in game (enemies or teammates ) .
Is not normal this thing.
Also if get a closer look the pic you will see a guy that has 50 point lower me and has 8 looses more than his victory . This is wrong!
End of discussion!
Ok so let me get this straight you are complaining that the more you lose the worse both your teammates and enemies get? And complaining that the more you win the better your teammates and enemies get?
Thats how it goes sir.
That guy that has a lower win percentage most likely played better players so he got alot of points for his wins and probably didnt lose any games he shouldnt have so he lost minimal points for losses…. im really not sure how you arent understanding its not about win percentage its about who you beat or lose too…..
S P E E D Starr #0 Necro NA or
I Am NeXeD awful d/D ele NA
Ok!
I break my promise and answer to you.
My mistake that i wasn’t clear on my last post.
Because of the the more you lose the worse both your teammates and enemies get .
Because of this this guys can’t be higher from me. Played less games and lost too many time on the amount of games he played . So CAN’T BE HIGHER!
Last time i answer to you
The leaderboard changes are appreciated and a good thing but….this is something that should’ve been implemented the first time.
Also, is this it? This is all there is for season 6? I’m just shaking my head…THIS is why pvp is going NOWHERE.
What about consistent profession balance/reworks? What about the rampant elite specs and their spam? What about new game modes? What about separate queues, 5v5, 1v1, etc? What about in-game tournaments? What about a TUTORIAL? For new players? You know! The players that are the FUTURE and we’re trying to keep? There is a massive discrepancy in what pvp wants to be(e-sports) and what pvp needs(basic features).
Pvp needs nothing short of massive resources or an overhaul to get better. Period. I already quit pvp. I will only come back to pvp if one of those two things happen. However, I know that this is not realistic since ANet most likely doesn’t have enough resources to do this since gw2 is an MMO that’s typically the next in line trying to implement pvp.
Ok!
I break my promise and answer to you.
My mistake that i wasn’t clear on my last post.
Because of the the more you lose the worse both your teammates and enemies get .
Because of this this guys can’t be higher from me. Played less games and lost too many time on the amount of games he played . So CAN’T BE HIGHER!
Last time i answer to you
There amount of losses don’t matter if he was getting put in matches with higher rated players. The amount of points won and lost depend on your opponents rating has nothing to do with win percentage.
S P E E D Starr #0 Necro NA or
I Am NeXeD awful d/D ele NA
It’s still ok the only thing that bothers are the double duo que vs 0 que totally randoms.
You need atleast 6-4 win lose and when you get 7/3 win lose you are able to reach any division. ( I think about gold til plat)
Ajax you are wrong about this one guy who got more losses than wins. He might have started on plat and got deranked by being bad into that rank.
I have 2 accounts plat 3 (both were near legy xD) and boosted friend from g1 into P2.
Elo hell is not really there + you can achiev platinum pretty easily by being a decent player.
The fact that people don’t want to admit they need to play good to reach high ranks is just there. The “I grind into legendary” mentality doesn’t fit and work here =)
Have you ever heard a good player complain about it?
Get good and stop complaining won’t help you out :O
Things that would make PvP work again=
No dailies on ranked arena!
No PvE Rewards (only pvp)
No 3 class stacking on one team
I think this is going at it the wrong way.
There’s already too much time pressure on leagues as it is. What you need is to ensure that people HAVE to work for their MMR, the fact that a person could do 10 matches and pratically land on Legend because of past MMR is what’s wrong here.
It all boils down to a entirely wrong approach, seasons are too short, because of this you have to make progression too easy, because of this a person can land on Legend pretty much out of placements, since that bar is low already.
Couple that with the “finishable” nature of GW2 PvP, you get people simply stopping after they get legend, because there’s no real competition, its just a grind game. And the more you work towards that path (by forcing people to play PvP at a pace set by you entirely) you’re just pushing more people away from it.
The problem is people just don’t need to play PvP, so they don’t.
The leaderboard changes are appreciated and a good thing but….this is something that should’ve been implemented the first time.
Also, is this it? This is all there is for season 6? I’m just shaking my head…THIS is why pvp is going NOWHERE.
What about consistent profession balance/reworks? What about the rampant elite specs and their spam? What about new game modes? What about separate queues, 5v5, 1v1, etc? What about in-game tournaments? What about a TUTORIAL? For new players? You know! The players that are the FUTURE and we’re trying to keep? There is a massive discrepancy in what pvp wants to be(e-sports) and what pvp needs(basic features).
Pvp needs nothing short of massive resources or an overhaul to get better. Period. I already quit pvp. I will only come back to pvp if one of those two things happen. However, I know that this is not realistic since ANet most likely doesn’t have enough resources to do this since gw2 is an MMO that’s typically the next in line trying to implement pvp.
He knows his stuff!
It’s still ok the only thing that bothers are the double duo que vs 0 que totally randoms.
You need atleast 6-4 win lose and when you get 7/3 win lose you are able to reach any division. ( I think about gold til plat)
Ajax you are wrong about this one guy who got more losses than wins. He might have started on plat and got deranked by being bad into that rank.
I have 2 accounts plat 3 (both were near legy xD) and boosted friend from g1 into P2.
Elo hell is not really there + you can achiev platinum pretty easily by being a decent player.The fact that people don’t want to admit they need to play good to reach high ranks is just there. The “I grind into legendary” mentality doesn’t fit and work here =)
Have you ever heard a good player complain about it?
Get good and stop complaining won’t help you out :O
Things that would make PvP work again=
No dailies on ranked arena!
No PvE Rewards (only pvp)
No 3 class stacking on one team
My friend i have 4 accounts : 1 my wife’s , 1 my son and 1 for fun.
Older post of mine u can see that i was from the 1sts that manage to champion all classes on my main account.
I also manage to have 4 diamond accounts.
I also i manage to be in legendary div.
I believe call me bad player is not correct.
Now about mmr i see all players answer except Anets staff .
Older post also you can see that i lost points couple of times cause overtime bug ( there is video on forum).
Some people were smart enough to foresee the way that mmr gonna be and from 1st season made solid groups and play aiming high. Good for them.
I used (and i still do) no matter how bad they are play with my friends and sometimes win or loose .
That affected my mmr from season 1 and that keep hunting me till now.
The way u play need to be consider on your points you get award not only win loose situation .
This not happening now.
why someone enjoys mmr favor when have 27-26 and the guys that has 181-146 don’t?
We are not too far as u see but still this shows that something is wrong.
Also a player lower me has more looses than victories and he is only 50 points under me why?
I want an answer from Anet personal if that is possible.
Just in case, I don’t care that much about leaderboard since PvP is not the only thing I do in the game, but I still like it, despite some issues I have with my connection somtimes that made me lose more matches than expected (still platinum with more win ratio tho)
So please, can you stop speaking about leaderboard only but about the whole pvp system? Saying “it will be like this for leaderboard” as if it’s only for the leaderboard is a bit annoying.
Plz explain me how is this fair ? I tired to play my percentage is better and others are higher than me with worst percentage and amount of wins
Your rating is made with your MMR too. Others certainly have better MMR due to past seasons, but this can be unfair since past season was a team fest, so even bad players can have good MMR but still playing badly in soloq.
It’s why we need this system, in order to delete all these players from high rank with negative ratio or without enough games played.
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Plz explain me how is this fair ? I tired to play my percentage is better and others are higher than me with worst percentage and amount of wins
Your rating is made with your MMR too. Others certainly have better MMR due to past seasons, but this can be unfair since past season was a team fest, so even bad players can have good MMR but still playing badly in soloq.
It’s why we need this system, in order to delete all these players from high rank with negative ratio or without enough games played.
agree
40 minimum games you say? Probably isn’t enough as somebody spoofed his way into first place. If I was currently in second place I’d be furious about now with somebody sniping first in the last day.
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My friend i have 4 accounts : 1 my wife’s , 1 my son and 1 for fun.
Older post of mine u can see that i was from the 1sts that manage to champion all classes on my main account.
I also manage to have 4 diamond accounts.
I also i manage to be in legendary div.
I believe call me bad player is not correct.
dude… all of your youtube videos are of you skill clicking on bunker guardian
currently a Boyfriend main :P
Waiting To ReRoll Mystic & Forget About Tyria
My friend i have 4 accounts : 1 my wife’s , 1 my son and 1 for fun.
Older post of mine u can see that i was from the 1sts that manage to champion all classes on my main account.
I also manage to have 4 diamond accounts.
I also i manage to be in legendary div.
I believe call me bad player is not correct.dude… all of your youtube videos are of you skill clicking on bunker guardian
Exactly!
Imagine the difference now when i use my normal logitech mouse and keyboard and no clicking.
Think No meta build , clicking and i manage 4 diamond accounts.
My friend i have 4 accounts : 1 my wife’s , 1 my son and 1 for fun.
Older post of mine u can see that i was from the 1sts that manage to champion all classes on my main account.
I also manage to have 4 diamond accounts.
I also i manage to be in legendary div.
I believe call me bad player is not correct.dude… all of your youtube videos are of you skill clicking on bunker guardian
Exactly!
Imagine the difference now when i use my normal logitech mouse and keyboard and no clicking.
Think No meta build , clicking and i manage 4 diamond accounts.
Keep reporting me pal, you made diamond because grinding your way up was possible. It no longer is. Whatever skill level you thought you were at due to where you made it in previous seasons means nothing. Grinding to legend was possible then and now it is not. Sry bud.
S P E E D Starr #0 Necro NA or
I Am NeXeD awful d/D ele NA
Ok!
I break my promise and answer to you.
My mistake that i wasn’t clear on my last post.
Because of the the more you lose the worse both your teammates and enemies get .
Because of this this guys can’t be higher from me. Played less games and lost too many time on the amount of games he played . So CAN’T BE HIGHER!
Last time i answer to you
This is assuming that everyone is playing at all times.
Match making will have an effect on this. So the person who has a worse win percentage than you could be playing at a time where he is the lowest rated person in the game. Maybe he wins 50% of them.
You could be playing at a time where you are the highest rated person in the game. Maybe you win 55% of them.
The ranking takes these things into account. So a strict win % is NOT accurate because not everyone is playing at the same time. This is why who you beat and who you lose to is important. Yes over time, the more you lose the lower ranking players are in each game, but there will always be a delta because of the fact that everyone is not playing at the same time.
Ok!
I break my promise and answer to you.
My mistake that i wasn’t clear on my last post.
Because of the the more you lose the worse both your teammates and enemies get .
Because of this this guys can’t be higher from me. Played less games and lost too many time on the amount of games he played . So CAN’T BE HIGHER!
Last time i answer to youThis is assuming that everyone is playing at all times.
Match making will have an effect on this. So the person who has a worse win percentage than you could be playing at a time where he is the lowest rated person in the game. Maybe he wins 50% of them.
You could be playing at a time where you are the highest rated person in the game. Maybe you win 55% of them.
The ranking takes these things into account. So a strict win % is NOT accurate because not everyone is playing at the same time. This is why who you beat and who you lose to is important. Yes over time, the more you lose the lower ranking players are in each game, but there will always be a delta because of the fact that everyone is not playing at the same time.
Nice!
Never thing that. I usually play 1-2 hours after come back from work.
What you say makes sense but still needs to be fixed .
Ok!
I break my promise and answer to you.
My mistake that i wasn’t clear on my last post.
Because of the the more you lose the worse both your teammates and enemies get .
Because of this this guys can’t be higher from me. Played less games and lost too many time on the amount of games he played . So CAN’T BE HIGHER!
Last time i answer to youThis is assuming that everyone is playing at all times.
Match making will have an effect on this. So the person who has a worse win percentage than you could be playing at a time where he is the lowest rated person in the game. Maybe he wins 50% of them.
You could be playing at a time where you are the highest rated person in the game. Maybe you win 55% of them.
The ranking takes these things into account. So a strict win % is NOT accurate because not everyone is playing at the same time. This is why who you beat and who you lose to is important. Yes over time, the more you lose the lower ranking players are in each game, but there will always be a delta because of the fact that everyone is not playing at the same time.
Nice!
Never thing that. I usually play 1-2 hours after come back from work.
What you say makes sense but still needs to be fixed .
What needs to be fixed? This is a better solution than pure win/loss ratio.
What I would appreciate (but won’t happen), would be more visual transparency of the search algorithm. For example, if you are at 1500 rating, there could be a screen on the PVP UI that says “Searching…1450-1550” then over time it goes to “Searching..1250-1750”.
What this would allow you to do would be to decide to leave queue if you felt the range wasn’t what you were looking for. The reason this is unlikely to happen is that it is an incentive for players to NOT play, which isn’t what they want.
Shoutout to the current NA leaderboard though. Minimum 250 is now 1780s. Last hour hype.
1794 right now for top 250 lol. Lots of effort put in on the last 2 days by folks playing legit.
The decay abuse rush at the end was pretty epic. Least it provided good matchmaking.
Congrats on the NA Top 250 (-ish, only a few duplicates)!
Was top 250 yesterday.
Fell out of top 250 today, 3 pts from being ranked.
Started game before season ended, season ended mid match.
No points awarded.
Would have been top 250.
Games started before season end should have counted. No new games should have been able to be started at season end.
Placed top 250 but didn’t receive my title. Opened the bouncy chest, accepted the receipt, and then nothing. If this is a bug I hope it’s fixed soon.