So the honest truth is that I’m still playing my mesmer and thief, neither of which is close to being OP — at least at my skill level.
But I occasionally come across a player who can just camp a spot and basically is impossible to remove from it. Usually a necro or engineer. And, well, that seems like it would be fun to do sometimes also.
I’m really getting quite fed up with trying to play ‘normal’ characters when all I face are swarms of minions, warriors that never stop stunning me, guardians that can’t be touched, etc.
So the honest truth is that I’m still playing my mesmer and thief, neither of which is close to being OP — at least at my skill level.
But I occasionally come across a player who can just camp a spot and basically is impossible to remove from it. Usually a necro or engineer. And, well, that seems like it would be fun to do sometimes also.
I’m really getting quite fed up with trying to play ‘normal’ characters when all I face are swarms of minions, warriors that never stop stunning me, guardians that can’t be touched, etc.
mesmer is countered by condi, especially AoE condi so necro and engi counter makes sense. it doesn’t make them OP just based on that, but necro would be OP in this meta if it wasn’t for warrior.
P/D is just low damage troll build so it makes sense it can’t remove any bunker types.
If you can’t remove a class from a point, then move to next point.
There is a place for easy, powerful builds. Let people play how they like. Some people don’t have twitch skill, or fast reaction time, but they are good at overall team strategy.
They should have a build that gives them reasonable ability.
All of these “cheese buildds” can be countered, if you think about it longer and look for the weakeness. All builds have one.
I hope you realize that nearly all of these cheese builds require absolutely no thought to team strategy right? They are called noob friendly for a reason. In fact, it’s one of the biggest problems with these builds.
S/D teef does not need to worry about positioning because it’s virtually impossible to get them to peel. Warrior need absolutely no team co-ordination to stunlock someone. Ranger just has to show up to a fight and press 1 to be effective. Necro just sits on a ledge, spams skills, and aoe bombs a point. No thought necessary or team co-ordination to the order of skills used, just spam skills.
…S/D teef does not need to worry about positioning because it’s virtually impossible to get them to peel.
I see that you’ve never played S/D before, or, at least, played one recently.
what? he isn’t wrong lol even if not as easy as many other cheesy builds, s/d still is pretty easy and positioning doesn’t matter much. It’s probably the most skillful meta build atm, and that should tell you how ridiculous the meta is right now rofl
…S/D teef does not need to worry about positioning because it’s virtually impossible to get them to peel.
I see that you’ve never played S/D before, or, at least, played one recently.
what? he isn’t wrong lol even if not as easy as many other cheesy builds, s/d still is pretty easy and positioning doesn’t matter much. It’s probably the most skillful meta build atm, and that should tell you how ridiculous the meta is right now rofl
I played my old S/D build in sPvP today and I got absolutely crushed. S/D is in no way meta.
And if you so that “positioning doesn’t matter much”, then you probably should’ve played it on the high end of tPvP back when it was good.
S/D has single-handedly removed two professions from commonly being played in upper-level play.
No, it really hasn’t. Ele is bad for many, many other reasons beyond being “countered” by S/D (which hasn’t really countered anything since it got nerfed to only one boonsteal), and necro is still completely useable and is, in fact, one of our worst matchups. You’re completely delusional. There’s nothing for S/D to counter as far as necros go, except for making them have to spam marks slightly more carefully. Other than that, conditions completely eat S/D. There’s a reason why it’s rare to see a “true” S/D build nowadays
The thing about “team strategy” is that when I’m in solo Q matches there usually isn’t any anyway. That’s really why I want to try a character that’s strong enough to play independently.
You can tell many people who PvP in this game would make terrible economists :P Economic law says people will always try to get the most benefit for the least amount of effort. This is true and there’s nothing wrong with this because its a natural human response. That said; because of this you will never kill effective easy builds because someone will always find a way to be effective, and amongst the effective builds, one will always be the easiest, and that’s where smart people will gravitate!
LOGIC!
High Warlord Sikari (80 Reaper) / Lord Siekron (80 DH)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
You can tell many people who PvP in this game would make terrible economists :P Economic law says people will always try to get the most benefit for the least amount of effort. This is true and there’s nothing wrong with this because its a natural human response. That said; because of this you will never kill effective easy builds because someone will always find a way to be effective, and amongst the effective builds, one will always be the easiest, and that’s where smart people will gravitate!
LOGIC!
i might main a necro now, ron. thanks for all the help.
tbh, i’m starting to get bored with my ranger already. necro is more fun.
PVP Ranger: Prince Valentine, PVP Warrior: Prince of Hearts I, and PVP Mesmer: Prince Valentine I
Is that how you were dropped into downed state at least 5 times per match in the 2v2 tourney? Logic?
Also economists are some of the most irritating people on the planet and S/D thief is carried by sword 2 and evades, just like how Spirit Ranger is carried by the elite spirit. Once you know how to use sword 2 well you can be borderline kittened and play S/D as well as the “good thieves”
You seem to keep avoiding the underlying answer to this: These are not my ideas, and quite frankly, no offense, I place more stalk with people like Caith than you. Quite frankly, it’s more than Caith and Helseth who have commented on the ridiculousness of S/D thief. All of the top players have different ways they’d like to solve the issue (I’m partial for jumper’s idea of actually making the whole skillset usable instead of just two buttons), but there is a rather wide consensus that S/D thief is pretty ridiculous as it is now and falls in the same league as any other noob-friendly build.
Is that how you were dropped into downed state at least 5 times per match in the 2v2 tourney? Logic?
Also economists are some of the most irritating people on the planet and S/D thief is carried by sword 2 and evades, just like how Spirit Ranger is carried by the elite spirit. Once you know how to use sword 2 well you can be borderline kittened and play S/D as well as the “good thieves”
Obviously my decisions were working if I can spend most of my time in downed state and still make it to 4rd place versus many of the best players in the game. Just saying.
Also; we would have been in second if not for the loser bracket and joking on Caed and Tany on our second encounter. So… Yeah, like I said. most outcome with the smallest effort. Economic Logic ftw! (And little tip, I wasn’t down very often, the only fight that was super problematic was the shatter Mesmer who ran Moa. If you can’t see how that could lead to me biting the dust a lot, that’s on you. We even won when I got moa’d at the start as an MM. Pro lyfe!)
We already knew we weren’t killing the Hambow Ranger comp. That comp hard counters us pretty badly, we’ve been struggling with it for over a week now.
High Warlord Sikari (80 Reaper) / Lord Siekron (80 DH)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
Moa killing all minions makes me want to mail a burning bag of feces to A-Nets doorstep. Such BS.
Why would minions listen to a bird?
I guess the same reason that a Ranger can summon spirits via communing and turn into a bird and they still stick around. Hell it makes less sense for spirits to stick around when Zombies don’t even listen to the master as it is. They’re brainless monstrosities that aren’t controlled, the better question is why do they need the necromancer in a specific state to want to eat brains. O.O
High Warlord Sikari (80 Reaper) / Lord Siekron (80 DH)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
Qaelyn please don’t take any build links Valentin posts seriously the guy does not have any real experience in team queues, hasn’t competed in tournaments, and constantly trolls the forums
Qaelyn please don’t take any build links Valentin posts seriously the guy does not have any real experience in team queues, hasn’t competed in tournaments, and constantly trolls the forums
yeah right. i was on top 800 in teamq before the reset, dude. i’ve already played more than 100 tourney games and i just had 5 straight wins earlier on my necro in tpvp. i may no longer be in leaderboards now because of inactivity but i do know what i’m talking about.
PVP Ranger: Prince Valentine, PVP Warrior: Prince of Hearts I, and PVP Mesmer: Prince Valentine I
All you know how to do is get carried by FOTM builds. When you know how to run GS/LB Warrior and win 1v1s against Thieves, glass Power Ranger, glass Power Necro, or Halting Strike Shatter Mesmer then you’ll be more creditable.
I’ll give you links for those builds and challenge you to survive with them:
Warning: if you try these builds you will die very quickly if you don’t know to engage, unable to size up a 1v1 situation, rotate, or don’t know the class.
If you make these builds work you will kill people in seconds, scare the kitten out of them, and make them play timid for an entire match. You’ll use your teammates and the environment as your defense, and roll in to otherwise even fights and crush the enemy
Qaelyn please don’t take any build links Valentin posts seriously the guy does not have any real experience in team queues, hasn’t competed in tournaments, and constantly trolls the forums
yeah right. i was on top 800 in teamq before the reset, dude. i’ve already played more than 100 tourney games and i just had 5 straight wins earlier on my necro in tpvp. i may no longer be in leaderboards now because of inactivity but i do know what i’m talking about.
DUDE! You were in the top 800 (IN NA LOL) with 7 wins and 5 losses!!!!! ROFL and you are bragging about it…
Qaelyn please don’t take any build links Valentin posts seriously the guy does not have any real experience in team queues, hasn’t competed in tournaments, and constantly trolls the forums
yeah right. i was on top 800 in teamq before the reset, dude. i’ve already played more than 100 tourney games and i just had 5 straight wins earlier on my necro in tpvp. i may no longer be in leaderboards now because of inactivity but i do know what i’m talking about.
DUDE! You were in the top 800 (IN NA LOL) with 7 wins and 5 losses!!!!! ROFL and you are bragging about it…
i wouldn’t get the rank if we didn’t beat top players, dude. besides i had no intention to brag about it. we all know how leaderboards is so broken. i only play for fun not to be a pro. i also wanna help new players to have an enjoyable pvp experience. what did you do to contribute in getting new players to join the community? None.
PVP Ranger: Prince Valentine, PVP Warrior: Prince of Hearts I, and PVP Mesmer: Prince Valentine I
and also ahuba, why do you always antagonize me? is it because i’m not as veteran as you guys? i assume this is all how you treat new players here. no wonder why pvp is dying.
PVP Ranger: Prince Valentine, PVP Warrior: Prince of Hearts I, and PVP Mesmer: Prince Valentine I
qaelyn, if you wish to get roflstomped and have a very frustrating gw2 pvp experience go take this guy’s suggested builds.
i like cheese. everybody likes cheese. and after the patch we will create another cheese builds.
No someone who actually thinks will make a cheese build for you to copy and paste.
you’re accusing me of copying other people’s builds? lol. so what if i did which i didn’t? this is just a game, dude. everybody uses game guides and cheats. i use cheats on ps3 all the time.
PVP Ranger: Prince Valentine, PVP Warrior: Prince of Hearts I, and PVP Mesmer: Prince Valentine I
You seem to keep avoiding the underlying answer to this: These are not my ideas, and quite frankly, no offense, I place more stalk with people like Caith than you. Quite frankly, it’s more than Caith and Helseth who have commented on the ridiculousness of S/D thief. All of the top players have different ways they’d like to solve the issue (I’m partial for jumper’s idea of actually making the whole skillset usable instead of just two buttons), but there is a rather wide consensus that S/D thief is pretty ridiculous as it is now and falls in the same league as any other noob-friendly build.
All I’m going to suggest is that you play either my S/D build or Jumper’s S/D build and see how “noob-friendly” the build is while still, y’know, managing to grab kills and score points.
yeah right. i was on top 800 in teamq before the reset, dude. i’ve already played more than 100 tourney games and i just had 5 straight wins earlier on my necro in tpvp. i may no longer be in leaderboards now because of inactivity but i do know what i’m talking about.
yeah right. i was on top 800 in teamq before the reset, dude. i’ve already played more than 100 tourney games and i just had 5 straight wins earlier on my necro in tpvp. i may no longer be in leaderboards now because of inactivity but i do know what i’m talking about.
…and you also play necro..
i love necro. best class ever. <3 < 3 <3
PVP Ranger: Prince Valentine, PVP Warrior: Prince of Hearts I, and PVP Mesmer: Prince Valentine I
So the honest truth is that I’m still playing my mesmer and thief, neither of which is close to being OP — at least at my skill level.
But I occasionally come across a player who can just camp a spot and basically is impossible to remove from it. Usually a necro or engineer. And, well, that seems like it would be fun to do sometimes also.
I’m really getting quite fed up with trying to play ‘normal’ characters when all I face are swarms of minions, warriors that never stop stunning me, guardians that can’t be touched, etc.
mesmer is countered by condi, especially AoE condi so necro and engi counter makes sense. it doesn’t make them OP just based on that, but necro would be OP in this meta if it wasn’t for warrior.
P/D is just low damage troll build so it makes sense it can’t remove any bunker types.
If you can’t remove a class from a point, then move to next point.
This is pretty accurate.
The game has more or less become a rock paper scissors type of “counterplay”. Warriors are specifically designed to beat necro’s so the the podcasters will say “oh no! looks like (insert pro necro gamer tag) is gonna have trouble with that warrior.” This ensures that even the newest of players will understand. lol
This feels like a marketing technique. Trying to baby-feed the game to the audience or even the player-base. But if this is the direction, it’s kinda shooting itself in the foot. Like saying fewer options will make things more interesting. It will make it easier to understand for the first day, but then you’re bored because there’s nothing more to understand. This profession does this, and is weak vs this profession, but beats that profession. Learn one build. ZZZZZzzzzz. Has no longevity.
There is no holy trinity in this game in the traditional sense, just a new version of it. It’s suppose to be the players who create the meta. Not only for builds but for strategy. And usually this “meta” isn’t even used in high-end competition.
Just saying.
