Guild Wars 2

I’ll give you people an example of what this class can do.

1.) They can have 3 phantasmal berserkers because of signet of ether AND F5
2.) They have a trait which IF they shatter a phantasm, that phantasm will live AGAIN, this means 3 phantasmal berserkers will revive if you shatter them. Like you don’t even need 3 berserkers, you can just have 1, shatter that, revive it, and then still have ridiculous burst on top of instant cast CC.
3.) And that same shatter that will 100-0 you and RESET a phantasm takes NO SKILL TO LAND because it is instant cast.

This isn’t the only thing that chronomancer can do that breaks the game.

This just proves that “buffing Mesmer with chronomancer” will just make it broken because it is such a broken class in design for PvP and that they have to be “UP” to be balanced.

Like this is sad, I thought chronomancer was going to be high risk. But because Phantasms (AI, which baits dodges easy) exists on top of instant cast burst, I don’t think Mesmer will EVER be a skill-based class if they implement chronomancer as is right now.

Chronomancer’s actually in a good spot at the moment. It’s fairly balanced compared to other Mesmer specs, but it does have more room for skilled play with well timed Continuum Splits.

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

Chronomancer’s actually in a good spot at the moment. It’s fairly balanced compared to other Mesmer specs, but it does have more room for skilled play with well timed Continuum Splits.

Chronomancer is not okay rofl… Even every Chronomancer I’ve met will agree… Even on their own forums they agree.

It’s so sad. Even the old hambow was more balanced than this because it didn’t have instant cast and AI…

If chronomancer stays as is it will not be fun for so many people when HoT comes out.

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

Chronomancer’s actually in a good spot at the moment. It’s fairly balanced compared to other Mesmer specs, but it does have more room for skilled play with well timed Continuum Splits.

If your definition of good spot is being OP, then yes, you are correct.

If you are comparing it to D/D ele, then yes, it is weak.

For something it’s called “beta” so devs can fix/nerf things before live instead of making balanced patches every 3 months to fix one class.

style.6173:

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

Chronomancer’s actually in a good spot at the moment. It’s fairly balanced compared to other Mesmer specs, but it does have more room for skilled play with well timed Continuum Splits.

If your definition of good spot is being OP, then yes, you are correct.

If you are comparing it to D/D ele, then yes, it is weak.

And here’s the mandatory “D/D ele OP” I see in every unrelated thread.

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

Chronomancer’s actually in a good spot at the moment. It’s fairly balanced compared to other Mesmer specs, but it does have more room for skilled play with well timed Continuum Splits.

Just another big fail. Why do people think just because it’s D/D ele balanced, it means its healthy for the game?

This mentality will kill the game imo, no offense. It isn’t L2P when AI’s are baiting your dodges and cool downs and then you finish with shatter. Doesn’t help that this “high-skill cap” just means I reset phantasmal berserker and signet of ether.

It is NOT healthy for the game, why can’t people understand that? Once again, even the old hambow was more balanced than this “high-skill cap” spec even though it took absolutely no skill to play.

Everyone knew that the Chronocancer would have been disgustingly strong. This BWE only confirmed what every decent player already knew.

The problem, though, it’s that it would need a COMPLETE rework on the F5.

I didn’t want to have to be the one to say it but… kill the phantasms.

all the chrono haters, just learn to interrupt the F5.
its more L2P than an OP issue.

I think the elite specs should be compared to other viable specs for that same profession. I don’t see how my post at all implies I’m comparing it to DD ele, since I explicitly say I’m comparing it to other Mesmer specs.

Played it the entire evening

F5 is amazing, you can do really a lot of stuff with it, in offensive an difensive ways, really good. Probably too good, the fact you can use an elite twice (like moa) is a bit too much.

PU is really too strong with chronomancer, basically infinite stealth with a super mobility (pu boon, passive 25%speed, teleport and portal ) is superior to thief, really too much.

Alacrity is amazing too and has a huge impact in mesmer cd, making invu like bf shorter, infinite stealth with f5 + mass invi + torch reduction cd

Honestly it appears too strong like spec, i think they need to contain f5 and nerf pu without any doubt.

EremiteAngel.9765:

all the chrono haters, just learn to interrupt the F5.
its more L2P than an OP issue.

GW2 players obviously don’t want to learn anything, though.

The amount of “its fine” in this thread is astounding…. people were already complaining about mesmers being broken….. and with chronomancer, they are even more broken.

Why is it whenever I see people complaining about something legitimate that needs nerfing there are always the trolls that come out of the woodwork to say its a l2p issue.

Discussing tweaking something overpowered in pvp, and all the baddies immediately go all gollum from lord or the rings, and start yelling “my precious” when u try to take it away from them.

We all know its overpowered.
It happens.

That is why we have beta tests.

Defending chronomancer’s current state because you need to use it as a crutch in order to do well in spvp is sad.

sephiroth.4217:

style.6173:

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

Chronomancer’s actually in a good spot at the moment. It’s fairly balanced compared to other Mesmer specs, but it does have more room for skilled play with well timed Continuum Splits.

If your definition of good spot is being OP, then yes, you are correct.

If you are comparing it to D/D ele, then yes, it is weak.

And here’s the mandatory “D/D ele OP” I see in every unrelated thread.

Well, yeah but that is pretty much obvious to everyone except D/D eles at this point.

tobascodagama.2961:

EremiteAngel.9765:

all the chrono haters, just learn to interrupt the F5.
its more L2P than an OP issue.

GW2 players obviously don’t want to learn anything, though.

Including Elemntalists and Mesmers, why try harder when you can just have it easy, am I right?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Things-to-note-about-Continuum-Shift/first#post5359828

Take it friends. Arm yourselves with knowledge. I’d rather not see mesmer’s elite spec nerfed into the ground or completely changed because your average forum fighter is too lazy to even bother learning how the skill works.

For starters this thread in general just seems to try blowing things out of proportion despite obvious limitations. I’ve yet to see any mesmer running Signet of the Ether in pvp. Trading your heal skill for an extra phantasm is not a good deal if you ask me.

The F5 is instant cast yes. But more often than not the skills used during it aren’t. So you’re just throwing in buzz words to make it sound broken, when in reality you’re just describing the basic functionality of the skill. It’s like the people complaining about “double heals” all over again.

Also, what Ross said. You can’t just ignore Phantasms anymore, just like you can’t ignore a hammer warrior’s CC. If you kill the phantasms before they are shattered, Chronophantasma doesn’t work, so not only did you deprive them of a phantasm+shatter fodder, you just countered their GM trait. Good job! Gold star for you!

style.6173:

sephiroth.4217:

style.6173:

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

Chronomancer’s actually in a good spot at the moment. It’s fairly balanced compared to other Mesmer specs, but it does have more room for skilled play with well timed Continuum Splits.

If your definition of good spot is being OP, then yes, you are correct.

If you are comparing it to D/D ele, then yes, it is weak.

And here’s the mandatory “D/D ele OP” I see in every unrelated thread.

Well, yeah but that is pretty much obvious to everyone except D/D eles at this point.

no just baddies imo.

I kill D/D eles just fine unless I’m playing flavor of the month class on a meta build that isn’t cele signant necro.

Being moa twice in a row is no fun

sephiroth.4217:

style.6173:

sephiroth.4217:

style.6173:

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

Chronomancer’s actually in a good spot at the moment. It’s fairly balanced compared to other Mesmer specs, but it does have more room for skilled play with well timed Continuum Splits.

If your definition of good spot is being OP, then yes, you are correct.

If you are comparing it to D/D ele, then yes, it is weak.

And here’s the mandatory “D/D ele OP” I see in every unrelated thread.

Well, yeah but that is pretty much obvious to everyone except D/D eles at this point.

no just baddies imo.

I kill D/D eles just fine unless I’m playing flavor of the month class on a meta build that isn’t cele signant necro.

What he said.

Actually the thing that concerns me most about chronomancer is access to slow, and the trait that gives you a clone after shattering. Combined with alacrity you get to shatter non-stop.

Slow is a very powerful condition, it shouldn’t be so easy to bog people down with it constantly.

Chrono isn’t op at all but I agree on too much access to slow

tobascodagama.2961:

EremiteAngel.9765:

all the chrono haters, just learn to interrupt the F5.
its more L2P than an OP issue.

GW2 players obviously don’t want to learn anything, though.

I want to learn to play mesmer.

ronpierce.2760:

tobascodagama.2961:

EremiteAngel.9765:

all the chrono haters, just learn to interrupt the F5.
its more L2P than an OP issue.

GW2 players obviously don’t want to learn anything, though.

Including Elemntalists and Mesmers, why try harder when you can just have it easy, am I right?

Agreed. I think the best thing GW2 players can learn about PvP in GW2 is that ArenaNet will ALWAYS break some class to the point of making it OP and will keep it there for about six months or so. So you might as well just play that class (on easy mode) rather than waiting for them to actually get any kind of balance in play.

Alternatively, you could just learn to play another game for PvP where they actually take steps against exploits, make reasonable balance passes, and try to keep a level playing field for everyone involved. There are actually quite a few of those out there.

Michaeas Magister.1589:

ronpierce.2760:

tobascodagama.2961:

EremiteAngel.9765:

all the chrono haters, just learn to interrupt the F5.
its more L2P than an OP issue.

GW2 players obviously don’t want to learn anything, though.

Including Elemntalists and Mesmers, why try harder when you can just have it easy, am I right?

Agreed. I think the best thing GW2 players can learn about PvP in GW2 is that ArenaNet will ALWAYS break some class to the point of making it OP and will keep it there for about six months or so. So you might as well just play that class (on easy mode) rather than waiting for them to actually get any kind of balance in play.

Alternatively, you could just learn to play another game for PvP where they actually take steps against exploits, make reasonable balance passes, and try to keep a level playing field for everyone involved. There are actually quite a few of those out there.

Try Dragon Nest. Fair warning though. the PvP community is toxic and makes the PvP forums here look like a bag full of rainbows, kittens and sunshine.

So you’re losing to beta players lol you already lost all credibility

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Nier.8741:

I’ll give you people an example of what this class can do.

1.) They can have 3 phantasmal berserkers because of signet of ether AND F5

Who on earth runs signet of ether?

i dun know why people is defending something that is broken…memser now can use their elitle twice in a row..MOA TWICE IN A ROW…i dun know why the so call pro memser think its ok

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Nier.8741:

I’ll give you people an example of what this class can do.

1.) They can have 3 phantasmal berserkers because of signet of ether AND F5

Who on earth runs signet of ether?

PvE players run Signet of Ether.

princode.4129:

i dun know why people is defending something that is broken…memser now can use their elitle twice in a row..MOA TWICE IN A ROW…i dun know why the so call pro memser think its ok

and engi can use it aoe with shorter cd

why ppl still cry abouth moa … first of all you can dodge it if for some reason you did not dodge it or block it or blind it or be just out of Mesmer sight than there is nb 4 skill what evades attacks you heard it right Mesmer gave ya free evade we soo friendly towards enemys we just want world peace with rainbows and unicorns and purple butterflys.

seriously ppl comparing engi with memser…must be out of your mind. If you want to compare d/d cele ele will be a better comparison cause ele is equally as broken
what do memser have
1- stealth
2. high confusion and torment stack
3. now slow—-this really screw a lot of ppl up
4. x2 elite usage Moa…ppl say u can block or evade. In Spvp its quite hard and x2 Moa secure a kill always in pvp
5. and many more

Doesn’t Engineer have stealth and 5x Moa?

every 1 know engi is bottom of the food chain now.
1.engi have stealth but compare to memser its laughable
2. Engi mao is aoe but transform duration is short. previously memser mao is balance cause cd is long but now u can use it 2 x in a row
3. People will have to accept currently new memser spec is 2 strong

But Mesmer is balanced.

Engineer also has high condition ticks and up time, invulnerability, Moa, stealth.

It’s all relative but as I’ve said before, people will always hate what they don’t understand.

The lowest common denominator just want to stand there, kill a clone/phantasm, and think they’ve killed the player. When a Mesmer stealths, they don’t use any active defense or don’t move on and just eat highly telegraphed burst.

What it comes down to after reading countless threads about Mesmers is “if I can’t have nice things, no one should.”

princode.2750:

every 1 know engi is bottom of the food chain now.
1.engi have stealth but compare to memser its laughable
2. Engi mao is aoe but transform duration is short. previously memser mao is balance cause cd is long but now u can use it 2 x in a row
3. People will have to accept currently new memser spec is 2 strong

Nice of you to reply to those mesmers fan boys politely.
Multiple mao and stealth is really just the tip of the ice-berg.

Velimere.7685:

But Mesmer is balanced.

Memser is currently balance now after the nerf to mantra but choromner as of now its not ok..still need some balance

if you spec PU shatter build…
when are in stealth you:
1. clear condition
2. Gain boon
3. wait for cd
4. heal
5. No def what are u talking about

I found this post in memser forum basically it cover some of the op aspect of the new spec.

Using Chronophantasma, Continium shift, deceptive evasion, Signet of Ether.

Does this mean you can:
a.)Create 3 clones
b.)use Continium shift
c.summon Phantasmal Beserker/duelist, use signet of Ether ; resummon Phantasmal Beserker/duelist
d.)Shatter them, they will be still there and attack.
e.)Go back in time. Shatter them again.
f.)summon Phantasmal Beserker/duelist, use signet of Ether ; resummon Phantasmal Beserker/duelist
g.)re-Shatter them and they will be still there and attack.

Can someone tell me its balance

princode.2750:

Velimere.7685:

But Mesmer is balanced.

Memser is currently balance now after the nerf to mantra but choromner as of now its not ok..still need some balance

if you spec PU shatter build…
when are in stealth you:
1. clear condition

Since when did Prismatic Understanding become Shadow’s Embrace? Also, Signet of the Ether is a heal skill, which means you lose your heal if you waste it on a phantasm.

The meta PU Shatter Mesmer build has no condition cleansing.

Velimere.7685:

princode.2750:

Velimere.7685:

But Mesmer is balanced.

Memser is currently balance now after the nerf to mantra but choromner as of now its not ok..still need some balance

if you spec PU shatter build…
when are in stealth you:
1. clear condition

Since when did Prismatic Understanding become Shadow’s Embrace? Also, Signet of the Ether is a heal skill, which means you lose your heal if you waste it on a phantasm.

The meta PU Shatter Mesmer build has no condition cleansing.

The “meta” build on meta battle…. which is what I assume you are talking about… uses sigil of generosity.

also… there is a trend on metabattle where the “meta” builds are just the builds that popular players stream, and are not necessarily ideal or even meta at all….

Its basically a super streamer fanboy website… I’ve seen super pro builds on there never get any recognition until they were used in tourneys, and then they went from “good” to “meta” rating.

Its a joke.

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Velimere.7685:

princode.2750:

Velimere.7685:

But Mesmer is balanced.

Memser is currently balance now after the nerf to mantra but choromner as of now its not ok..still need some balance

if you spec PU shatter build…
when are in stealth you:
1. clear condition

Since when did Prismatic Understanding become Shadow’s Embrace? Also, Signet of the Ether is a heal skill, which means you lose your heal if you waste it on a phantasm.

The meta PU Shatter Mesmer build has no condition cleansing.

The “meta” build on meta battle…. which is what I assume you are talking about… uses sigil of generosity.

also… there is a trend on metabattle where the “meta” builds are just the builds that popular players stream, and are not necessarily ideal or even meta at all….

Its basically a super streamer fanboy website… I’ve seen super pro builds on there never get any recognition until they were used in tourneys, and then they went from “good” to “meta” rating.

Its a joke.

And the Mesmers we saw from TCG and oRNG are a joke as well? Okay…

Wow, This is new. Mesmer can now hit from stealth to proc generosity sigil without break it. Also must note for future reference that this sigil is only usable by mesmers. Keppo.

You can Mind Wrack 6 times in a row using Continuum Shift, Mimic and Signet of Illusions (you can use all shatters 6 times in a row actually…). Since Illusionary Persona is now baseline, all shatters will trigger on your character so you don’t even need any clone.
Overall you can use Continuum Shift and Mimic to use any utility skill 4 times, every 90s.

how is this not op

princode.2750:

You can Mind Wrack 6 times in a row using Continuum Shift, Mimic and Signet of Illusions (you can use all shatters 6 times in a row actually…). Since Illusionary Persona is now baseline, all shatters will trigger on your character so you don’t even need any clone.
Overall you can use Continuum Shift and Mimic to use any utility skill 4 times, every 90s.

how is this not op

Because it isn’t.

If you hit anything with those 6 shatters in a row and they’re not a golem or afk, they deserved to be hit. The fact that you bring it up makes me wonder what types of player’s you’re used to fighting.

princode.2750:

You can Mind Wrack 6 times in a row using Continuum Shift, Mimic and Signet of Illusions (you can use all shatters 6 times in a row actually…). Since Illusionary Persona is now baseline, all shatters will trigger on your character so you don’t even need any clone.
Overall you can use Continuum Shift and Mimic to use any utility skill 4 times, every 90s.

how is this not op

Okay, how about you try this vs any decent player and show us the results.

The problem is that mesmer is actually not countered by any class and really hard to focus. If you try to focus a mesmer he can simply clone-swap, making you lose the real target, stealth, teleport, active sword skill 2 to be untouchable and F4 for the same effect, but reflecting projectiles (if you use the trait).

Now, Chronomancer is a very good Specializzation (the best of all we’ve seen, i think). Good weapon, good design, good utilities (sometimes they require a good situation to deal it’s best but they’re good) and very good traits that focus on manipulate the Time.

But, comparing with the other specializzation traits, Chronomancer traits can be used in All the actual builds, granting Always greath things. Slow to defend and quickness to attack, extra critical against slowed enemies (very good in pve but lesser good in spvp), but the 2 main problems can be: “Every Time you Shatter you Obtain” a Clone and “The First time for a Phantasm that be Shattered it Turn Back” (if you shatter a phantasm and then make another and shatter again the one that had alreaby been shattered die but the new one come back).

That two traits need a BIG ICD!!!

Come on, a good mesmer can play with 2 clone/phantasm near you ALL THE TIME!!!!

I’ve make a try and a Chronomancer can Shatter 4 times in 9-10 seconds!
make clones – F5 – make clones quickly by dodge, utility, weapon – Shatter – Signet – clones – Shatter – F5 – repeat.

All the other specializzation grant a specific playstyle: Dragonhunter focus on the LB and the new Virtues; Tempest focus on Overloding attunements, warhorn and auras, creating a specific support focus for the specializzation; Reaper focus on Chill (chill, chill, chill everywhere!), vulnerability and Reaper Shround (but only a little useless trait for shouts…), granting a good direct damage build that point to slow the enemy (but that work bad in spvp… ouch…), they only forgot to add something good for condition damage, making that specializzation good only for direct damage in RS.

Chronomancer is the Only Specializzation we had the chance to see that don’t focus the player on a new build. At last your wells can help the team and do great things in www, the same for the shield, but if you want use only the traits and the shield (very good in spvp with block and quickness/stun skills) you can make any build you want. You’re not forced into direct damage build or a condition build or a support build or a new kind of build. Conversely, you are pushed to use it in every single builds you already have, making them Better!

Chronomancer is the Only Specializzation (but, yes, we know only 4 of 9) that had obtained a Totally New “F” Skill!!!

There’s 2 things that ANet can do to balance the Chronomancer.
1) Put a ICD into Illusionari Reversion of 8-10 sec and a ICD into Chronophantasma of 10-12 sec. (there’s also Seize The Moment that can need a ICD, that combined with some F skills and utilities can grant a insane amount of quickness)

2) Cancel the F5 and make it REPLACE F4 skill. Them bot grant survivability and they can be replace each other. The specific trait can make the Continuum Split mark reflect projectile, making it harder to destroy instead of making you reflecting projectiles when obtain Distortion by that shatter skill.

That will make the Chronomancer more in line with all the other specializzations and lesser “OP” when used combined with the actually powerfull build of the mesmer. Granting it to remain a very good choice to do but lesser OP than actually is.

Expecially for the traits that grant you to obtain back your phantasm and a clone, that make the mesmer able to use it’s Fx skills too often and without the need of a single skill but all in passive.

Chronomancer is fine.