Guild Wars 2

So did ArenaNet just run out of creativity? Or did they really desire super Mesmers…

I laughed out loud at “super Mesmer”… Probably more than I should have. Well played Mesmers are scary… Period.

Mesmers are scary but are not easy to play in the least bit, anyone who thinks they’re a face roll class has never touched one.

TheOpethian.4329:

Mesmers are scary but are not easy to play in the least bit, anyone who thinks they’re a face roll class has never touched one.

A.) That’s not a reason to allow it. B.) they’re not THAT hard… I’ve picked one up and did far better than I should both BWEs.

@ronpierce

Any toon is easy to play in pve and relatively easy to play generally. What’s harder is to play it well.

Mesmer is a very active class that requires focus to play well. Being the Ranger advocate that you are, I’m not surprised to hear you asking for Mesmer nerfs. I also note that rangers have huge spike damage and CC. Nerf that longbow and pet.

Ithilwen.1529:

@ronpierce

You are well known for deprecating Mesmers. Any toon is easy to play in pve and relatively easy to play generally. What’s harder is to play it well.

Mesmer is a very active class that requires focus to play well. Being the Ranger advocate that you are, I’m not surprised to hear you asking for Mesmer nerfs. I also note that rangers have huge spike damage and CC. Nerf that longbow and pet.

I don’t advocate Rangers. The last thing I said about rangers was that Beastly Warden needed looked at lol. Not sure where you get this idea that I play Ranger. I play Mesmer more often in pvp than Ranger, Mesmer being my 3rd most played class in pvp. Mesmer might be sort of “active” but it’s still not that kitten hard to be super successful with.

still having too much (CC, survival, dmg) in one build….. 0 balance as always~

@ronpierce

First, I don’t agree. In ranked PvP, Mesmer is at least as challenging to play as any other class.

Second; There is an odd fashion among certain Mesmer players to ask for nerfs and try to make the class underpowered. I suppose this stems from pride in those of us who suffered for years being underpowered and almost a guaranteed kill for a thief.

That fashion does the class a huge disservice

Lyssa knows, ANET needs no encouragement at all to nerf Mesmer. I realize that it’s fun to be an iconoclast and to call for nerfs to make the class harder , ( and thereby increase the prestige of winning as a Mesmer ), but it’s really not appropriate.

-edit- There also seems to be a group that believes in asking for nerfs as a defensive measure. They fear that if we should ever start doing well, we’ll be nerfed into the ground.

Ithilwen.1529:

@ronpierce

Mesmer is at least as challenging to play as any other class.

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What does that even mean? That Mesmer isn’t the easiest class to play?

Ithilwen.1529:

@ronpierce

First, I don’t agree. In ranked PvP, Mesmer is at least as challenging to play as any other class.

Second; There is an odd fashion among certain Mesmer players to ask for nerfs and try to make the class underpowered. I suppose this stems from pride in those of us who suffered for years being underpowered and almost a guaranteed kill for a thief.

That fashion does the class a huge disservice

Lyssa knows, ANET needs no encouragement at all to nerf Mesmer. I realize that it’s fun to be an iconoclast and to call for nerfs to make the class harder , ( and thereby increase the prestige of winning as a Mesmer ), but it’s really not appropriate.

-edit- There also seems to be a group that believes in asking for nerfs as a defensive measure. They fear that if we should ever start doing well, we’ll be nerfed into the ground.

It’s not about nerfing the mesmer, it’s about taking Chronomancer and make something interesting.

Ok, in response to that; I find Chronomancer interesting.

This close to the long-awaited release of HoT I doubt that anything short of a nuke would implement concept level changes to Elite Specializations. There simply isn’t enough time. My guess is that Ranger elite is still very much in flux as are others.. making it a race to release day.

Ithilwen.1529:

Ok, in response to that; I find Chronomancer interesting.

This close to the long-awaited release of HoT I doubt that anything short of a nuke would implement concept level changes to Elite Specializations. There simply isn’t enough time. My guess is that Ranger elite is still very much in flux as are others.. making it a race to release day.

The problem is Chronomancer just adds even more to what the Mesmer already has where other classes mechanics alter.

When you play Tempest, it plays much different than Elementalist.
When you play Reaper, it plays much different than Necromancer.
When you play Daredevil, it plays much different than thief.
(I have no not tried Berserker yet)
When I play Chronomancer, it plays exactly like a Mesmer and it is definitely the most underdeveloped elite class. Why don’t F1-F4 skills change? Every class has their mechanics altered, Chronomancer just gets more.

TheOpethian.4329:

Mesmers are scary but are not easy to play in the least bit, anyone who thinks they’re a face roll class has never touched one.

Mesmers are a faceroll class, even before the PU buff. I made 3 of them. They are the most forgiving class in terms of making mistakes coupled with high damage spikes from stealth.

It is possible to down other classes without ever leaving stealth. Not even a thief can do that, and they are meant to “excel” at 1v1 and stealth.

sephiroth.4217:

TheOpethian.4329:

Mesmers are scary but are not easy to play in the least bit, anyone who thinks they’re a face roll class has never touched one.

Mesmers are a faceroll class, even before the PU buff. I made 3 of them. They are the most forgiving class in terms of making mistakes coupled with high damage spikes from stealth.

It is possible to down other classes without ever leaving stealth. Not even a thief can do that, and they are meant to “excel” at 1v1 and stealth.

They do suffer doing damage in a team fight.

So why don’t they make Chronomancer a teamfighting class rather than a king of 1v1 like Mesmer already is? Durrrr, HELLO.

Still way too much access to slow. Continuum split is still way too good for everything. Clones respawning was a ridiculous idea. Wells have extremely low cds for what they can provide. Overall class just has way too much going for it and zero repercussions.

Well, ppl seem to have a lot of problems using the new skills. Had a lot of opponents yesterday that summond a lot of stuff but totally forgot about timing and positioning, which is imo more important in small accounters. I am really interested how this will work out after ppl had time to learn it. I think, it might get a bit overpowered.

Yesterday I had a funny moment when a mesmer moad me twice ina row XD

Nova Stiker.8396:

The problem is Chronomancer just adds even more to what the Mesmer already has where other classes mechanics alter.

When you play Tempest, it plays much different than Elementalist.
When you play Reaper, it plays much different than Necromancer.
When you play Daredevil, it plays much different than thief.
(I have no not tried Berserker yet)
When I play Chronomancer, it plays exactly like a Mesmer and it is definitely the most underdeveloped elite class. Why don’t F1-F4 skills change? Every class has their mechanics altered, Chronomancer just gets more.

Chronomancer feels like a completely different class to me, more than any other elite specs (except maybe reaper).

Nova Stiker.8396:

They do suffer doing damage in a team fight.

So why don’t they make Chronomancer a teamfighting class rather than a king of 1v1 like Mesmer already is? Durrrr, HELLO.

It actually helps a lot. Wells do provide the extra AOE, shield provides survivability and AOE quickness/stun, the slow is a good defensive utility etc…
The problem is the clone generation and F5 increases the dueling mesmer abilities even more… or may I say too much…