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i usualy don’t call for nerfs im more a buff the weak weapons guys but HOLY MOTHER OF…………………………..

Too many DEFENSE compared to the dmg and cc they can doo

too many immunes
too many bubbles
too many 0 0 0 0
too many CC
and ALL of this with a crapload of dmg.

wtf seriously i kill a bunker guard easier then a chrono and they also don’t nuke my healtbar down while cc ing me to oblivion……..

Cele dd eles feel balanced compared to this.im not joking.

Zoltreez.6435:

i usualy don’t call for nerfs im more a buff the weak weapons guys but HOLY MOTHER OF…………………………..

Too many DEFENSE compared to the dmg and cc they can doo

too many immunes
too many bubbles
too many 0 0 0 0
too many CC
and ALL of this with a crapload of dmg.

wtf seriously i kill a bunker guard easier then a chrono and they also don’t nuke my healtbar down while cc ing me to oblivion……..

Cele dd eles feel balanced compared to this.im not joking.

It’s hard to take someone who PVPs to farm tomes seriously. I want to tell you to L2P but I don’t think you PVP because you enjoy it.

i pvp for fun but i need the tomes now to get my revenant to max screwed up the lvl20 scrolls ugh…

anyway this had nothing to do with the issue that chronos have too much of everything.
especialy defense.

I agree. IMO Shield 4 should be toned down from 2.5s to 1.75s. Then we’ll see.

Although I’m pretty sure balance changes are already in the works, there’s basically none in the day 1 HoT patch despite feedback from BWE3 so presumably the balance patch is coming later.

trytonianYeti.4389:

Zoltreez.6435:

i usualy don’t call for nerfs im more a buff the weak weapons guys but HOLY MOTHER OF…………………………..

Too many DEFENSE compared to the dmg and cc they can doo

too many immunes
too many bubbles
too many 0 0 0 0
too many CC
and ALL of this with a crapload of dmg.

wtf seriously i kill a bunker guard easier then a chrono and they also don’t nuke my healtbar down while cc ing me to oblivion……..

Cele dd eles feel balanced compared to this.im not joking.

It’s hard to take someone who PVPs to farm tomes seriously. I want to tell you to L2P but I don’t think you PVP because you enjoy it.

LOL trytonianYeti.4389, are you really so insecure that you cannot take your own word? You must look through the persons history and find something silly/stupid and use it against them? A shining example of internet.

Back to topic, I haven’t gotten the chance to test it out since the last BWE but Chronomancer is just shatterspike 2.0 and nothing more. According to the patch notes it’s what ArenaNet thinks Chronomancers are, more shatterspike.

I don’t find this an issue, except it’s a better Mesmer. P2W everyone! Get HoT or get out of competitive play

Nova Stiker.8396:

trytonianYeti.4389:

Zoltreez.6435:

i usualy don’t call for nerfs im more a buff the weak weapons guys but HOLY MOTHER OF…………………………..

Too many DEFENSE compared to the dmg and cc they can doo

too many immunes
too many bubbles
too many 0 0 0 0
too many CC
and ALL of this with a crapload of dmg.

wtf seriously i kill a bunker guard easier then a chrono and they also don’t nuke my healtbar down while cc ing me to oblivion……..

Cele dd eles feel balanced compared to this.im not joking.

It’s hard to take someone who PVPs to farm tomes seriously. I want to tell you to L2P but I don’t think you PVP because you enjoy it.

LOL trytonianYeti.4389, are you really so insecure that you cannot take your own word? You must look through the persons history and find something silly/stupid and use it against them? A shining example of internet.

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Back to topic, I haven’t gotten the chance to test it out since the last BWE but Chronomancer is just shatterspike 2.0 and nothing more. According to the patch notes it’s what ArenaNet thinks Chronomancers are, more shatterspike.

I don’t find this an issue, except it’s a better Mesmer. P2W everyone! Get HoT or get out of competitive play

It could be that I’m not gullible nor do I suffer against chronomancers like you are. It’s ok if you’re not aware that the complaints of most people lack merit. From your flawed understanding of P2W, I am certain you are one of those people

trytonianYeti.4389:

Nova Stiker.8396:

trytonianYeti.4389:

Zoltreez.6435:

i usualy don’t call for nerfs im more a buff the weak weapons guys but HOLY MOTHER OF…………………………..

Too many DEFENSE compared to the dmg and cc they can doo

too many immunes
too many bubbles
too many 0 0 0 0
too many CC
and ALL of this with a crapload of dmg.

wtf seriously i kill a bunker guard easier then a chrono and they also don’t nuke my healtbar down while cc ing me to oblivion……..

Cele dd eles feel balanced compared to this.im not joking.

It’s hard to take someone who PVPs to farm tomes seriously. I want to tell you to L2P but I don’t think you PVP because you enjoy it.

LOL trytonianYeti.4389, are you really so insecure that you cannot take your own word? You must look through the persons history and find something silly/stupid and use it against them? A shining example of internet.

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Back to topic, I haven’t gotten the chance to test it out since the last BWE but Chronomancer is just shatterspike 2.0 and nothing more. According to the patch notes it’s what ArenaNet thinks Chronomancers are, more shatterspike.

I don’t find this an issue, except it’s a better Mesmer. P2W everyone! Get HoT or get out of competitive play

It could be that I’m not gullible nor do I suffer against chronomancers like you are. It’s ok if you’re not aware that the complaints of most people lack merit. From your flawed understanding of P2W, I am certain you are one of those people

Aww, how can you say it’s a L2P issue when you have a learn to read issue?

I just said I haven’t PvPed since the BWE’s, I haven’t fight a chronomancer today.
That being said, each beta had the exact some problem, it was just shatterspike 2.0. It’s too early to judge anything right now but if it is anything like the hundred hours I spent across 3 weekends PvPing, it’s safe to say ArenaNet learned nothing about their Chronomancer design.

Take your adorable insecurity back to Queensdale, let the pros do the talking.

It’s possible chronomancer is overtuned but let’s give it time before we spout "nerf’ on the forums. Give everyone time to learn how to use chronomancer and fight chronomancer, that way the feedback given can be done in a way they end up balanced rather than nerfing the wrong things and either keeping it too powerful, or making it useless. Understanding can go a long way.

Also I might want to point out to those bashing Yeti that it’s hard to take someone seriously one day into an expansion when they go to the forum crying nerf. No one fully understands the upsides and limits on a class that is still fairly new to most people.

Edit: Also keep in mind there have been calls of Dragonhunter and scrapper to be nerfed too, the whole knee jerk reaction seems to be a little strong, that’s why in many ways I’m glad Anet is a tad slow on balance passes. People tend to react rather than learn.

Chrono is slightly over the top with Gravity well imo. Besides that, I think everyone needs more time.

Chronomancers… are still squishy against conditions… get a burn guardian do 10 + stacks of burning = dead chronomancer

of cause it need some balancing..its been confirm choro is currently god tier in pvp compare to other new spec. Please Anet balance choro according please dun overnerf it. My suggestion instead of saying omg op please nerf let us discuss which are the area you would like to see improvement or balance. =)

Some professions are almost the counterplay of other ones. It was before and still now with the elites. You can listen it from developer’s words too, in some elite presentation.

Believe that you can perform equally against all professions is not realistic. Aside that, a good balance is always needed and they have the tools to see if something is out of control after some monitoring time.

It doesn’t matter how much time has passed…. after years, is like the first day of the original GW2 here. Same posts, background… Like if the time had shifted ; )

It’s not fair to the chronomancers I burned, bled, confused, poisoned and tormented to get nerf posts after a day.

And I haven’t even tried necro chills on them yet. Still so much to do and try out…..

Please stop posting these nerf XXXXX topics. Thanks.

nolasthitnotomorrow.8563:

Please stop posting these nerf XXXXX topics. Thanks.

I was called “insecure” (I guess that person doesn’t understand the definition) for calling out OP for starting this thread when he is only Pvping to farm tomes.

Aren’t you guys happy?
In WvW you have PU Dire Mesmers.
In PvP you have Chronomancers.

Balance!

I don’t agree with the sensational “Chrono is kitten OP Nerf it right now before we all get murdered!!!!111!” because several other elite specs are disgustingly overpowered.

However I do agree that many things will need to be balanced in the near future to curb this power creep. For example I find Shield is too strong compared with other offhands so I would imagine that:
- block channel duration could be reduced to around 1.5s
- tides of time might receive a target cap
- slow output from traits and shield skills might be reduced
- well of precognition may have a slight cooldown increase
- F5 could do with adjustments for example 2s base duration on self shatter and then only +1s per illusion shattered (max 5s duration compared with 6s we have now).

But at the same time there’s several things on scrapper, reaper and herald that also need looking at. In any case I doubt anything will happen before the end of this year because I believe the power creep is intentional to sell the expansion.

Anyone who thinks Chronomancer is OP hasn’t faced a proper Revenant build.

Marauder Sword/Shield & Staff Revenant has a 1-second evade, a 2-second evade, and two 2-second blocks (one of which does more damage than Blurred Frenzy while the other one heals the Revenant) on top of a sustain and DPS heal in Legendary Assassin Stance and an anti-burst heal in Legendary Dragon Stance for a total of 12 seconds of active defense where the highest recharge is only 30 seconds.

Let’s also not forget two stacks of stability on dodge (1 of which lasts 2 seconds, the other lasting 5 seconds) or 100% critical chance with fury (5 seconds from swapping Legends, 10 seconds from using a heal skill, 10 seconds from using a stun break [which can also be traited to proc on swapping Legends], and 3 seconds pulsing every 3 seconds in Legendary Dragon Stance).

What’s more, the Revenant can also apply weakness on a critical hit, receives 10% less damage from you outside of 360 range, and 10% even less damage from you when he’s below 75% health.

He also gains half a dodge every 10 seconds when struck, causes your physical hits and conditions to heal his downed allies, and breaks stun for allies within a 600-radius of himself when he uses a stun breaker.

In short, it’s really a tanky DPS god that ArenaNet likes to call the Revenant.

I thought the scrapper was a bit tough to kill but I’ve really had no problems with any elite specs overall. I don’t think anything is overpowered really. The first time I went up against a chrono was really confusing but after a few fights, it became more or less like any other profession: dodge this, stunbreak that, heal after this, burst after that.

Everyone needs to take their time and learn about all the elite specs and how do counter them because yes, they can be countered. There’s no sense in competing to see who can shout: “OP” the loudest right off the bat. Take at least a week.

My qualifications: a few hours each playing with tempest, herald, scrapper, reaper and druid + experience with all these same specs on the beta weekends.

Velimere.7685:

Anyone who thinks Chronomancer is OP hasn’t faced a proper Revenant build.

Marauder Sword/Shield & Staff Revenant has a 1-second evade, a 2-second evade, and two 2-second blocks (one of which does more damage than Blurred Frenzy while the other one heals the Revenant) on top of a sustain and DPS heal in Legendary Assassin Stance and an anti-burst heal in Legendary Dragon Stance for a total of 12 seconds of active defense where the highest recharge is only 30 seconds.

Let’s also not forget two stacks of stability on dodge (1 of which lasts 2 seconds, the other lasting 5 seconds) or 100% critical chance with fury (5 seconds from swapping Legends, 10 seconds from using a heal skill, 10 seconds from using a stun break [which can also be traited to proc on swapping Legends], and 3 seconds pulsing every 3 seconds in Legendary Dragon Stance).

What’s more, the Revenant can also apply weakness on a critical hit, receives 10% less damage from you outside of 360 range, and 10% even less damage from you when he’s below 75% health.

He also gains half a dodge every 10 seconds when struck, causes your physical hits and conditions to heal his downed allies, and breaks stun for allies within a 600-radius of himself when he uses a stun breaker.

In short, it’s really a tanky DPS god that ArenaNet likes to call the Revenant.

Oh dear. That revenant build or similar to it is 14 gigatons more annoying that the chronomancer. But I’m not gonna post a nerf thread about it a day after release. Maybe tomorrow. jk idc idgaf – at least not yet

FirehawkDAR.9021:

Everybody who cries OMG Chronomancer OP plz nerf!!!!!! should get their main classes stomped into the ground, have Chronomancers become even stronger as Revenants already are and force them to face nothing but full Chronomancer teams for a whole month. That would be fun.

Nah, make em face all Druid teams, that would teach em.

Well on the bright side of things, at least anet seems to be better at needing OP things without totally gutting them into uselessness.

nearlight.3064:

Well on the bright side of things, at least anet seems to be better at nerfing OP things without totally gutting them into uselessness.

Fixed and explain.

trytonianYeti.4389:

nolasthitnotomorrow.8563:

Please stop posting these nerf XXXXX topics. Thanks.

I was called “insecure” (I guess that person doesn’t understand the definition) for calling out OP for starting this thread when he is only Pvping to farm tomes.

lol again that guy was right your just trolling ATM im farming tomes because yeah revenant but i still pvp ing seriously tome farming has NOTHING to do with it the chronos have too much of everything.

Zoltreez.6435:

trytonianYeti.4389:

nolasthitnotomorrow.8563:

Please stop posting these nerf XXXXX topics. Thanks.

I was called “insecure” (I guess that person doesn’t understand the definition) for calling out OP for starting this thread when he is only Pvping to farm tomes.

lol again that guy was right your just trolling ATM im farming tomes because yeah revenant but i still pvp ing seriously tome farming has NOTHING to do with it the chronos have too much of everything.

tomes farmer. you disgust me.

jokes aside, there are many counters to chronomancer.

imo there is only 1 super OP elite spec. and it’s not chronomancer.

lol all these chronomancers trying to justify their own ridiculousness. This is by far the most OP elite specc closely followed by herald.

mordran.4750:

lol all these chronomancers trying to justify their own ridiculousness. This is by far the most OP elite specc closely followed by herald.

what about scrapper, reaper, dragonhunter?

chronomanceer is god tier, DH is top tier and reaper is mid tier

People all look at it from their own biased POV. I think that besides berserker and DD maybe players who play elite specs have nothing to complain about. Theyre all really strong in their own way. And it shows….since i see threads popping up with ppl shouting how OP X is for just about every elite spec in the game.

princode.2750:

chronomanceer is god tier, DH is top tier and reaper is mid tier

Was just About to write that.
And revenAnt seems just below chrono, 500-1mil dmg logs are standard cz of hammer.
Scrapper is meh + one broken trait
Reaper is okayish strong. Seemed crazy in bwe2 but everyone also got polished since then so its a lot more equal playing field.

Velimere.7685:

Anyone who thinks Chronomancer is OP hasn’t faced a proper Revenant build.

Marauder Sword/Shield & Staff Revenant has a 1-second evade, a 2-second evade, and two 2-second blocks (one of which does more damage than Blurred Frenzy while the other one heals the Revenant) on top of a sustain and DPS heal in Legendary Assassin Stance and an anti-burst heal in Legendary Dragon Stance for a total of 12 seconds of active defense where the highest recharge is only 30 seconds.

Let’s also not forget two stacks of stability on dodge (1 of which lasts 2 seconds, the other lasting 5 seconds) or 100% critical chance with fury (5 seconds from swapping Legends, 10 seconds from using a heal skill, 10 seconds from using a stun break [which can also be traited to proc on swapping Legends], and 3 seconds pulsing every 3 seconds in Legendary Dragon Stance).

What’s more, the Revenant can also apply weakness on a critical hit, receives 10% less damage from you outside of 360 range, and 10% even less damage from you when he’s below 75% health.

He also gains half a dodge every 10 seconds when struck, causes your physical hits and conditions to heal his downed allies, and breaks stun for allies within a 600-radius of himself when he uses a stun breaker.

In short, it’s really a tanky DPS god that ArenaNet likes to call the Revenant.

You’ve just described the legendary 4 specialization Revenant that can pick two, screw it, three traits in the same tier.

I too would be afraid of fighting such cheating monstrosity.

Rym.1469:

Velimere.7685:

Anyone who thinks Chronomancer is OP hasn’t faced a proper Revenant build.

Marauder Sword/Shield & Staff Revenant has a 1-second evade, a 2-second evade, and two 2-second blocks (one of which does more damage than Blurred Frenzy while the other one heals the Revenant) on top of a sustain and DPS heal in Legendary Assassin Stance and an anti-burst heal in Legendary Dragon Stance for a total of 12 seconds of active defense where the highest recharge is only 30 seconds.

Let’s also not forget two stacks of stability on dodge (1 of which lasts 2 seconds, the other lasting 5 seconds) or 100% critical chance with fury (5 seconds from swapping Legends, 10 seconds from using a heal skill, 10 seconds from using a stun break [which can also be traited to proc on swapping Legends], and 3 seconds pulsing every 3 seconds in Legendary Dragon Stance).

What’s more, the Revenant can also apply weakness on a critical hit, receives 10% less damage from you outside of 360 range, and 10% even less damage from you when he’s below 75% health.

He also gains half a dodge every 10 seconds when struck, causes your physical hits and conditions to heal his downed allies, and breaks stun for allies within a 600-radius of himself when he uses a stun breaker.

In short, it’s really a tanky DPS god that ArenaNet likes to call the Revenant.

You’ve just described the legendary 4 specialization Revenant that can pick two, screw it, three traits in the same tier.

I too would be afraid of fighting such cheating monstrosity.

How can I kitten as hard as you do?

Lets just delete PvP and then everybody will be happy because no class will be able to kill another.

daily nerf since Mesmer until Chronomancer…. rip

Maybe if devs shortened the name Chronomancer so people wouldnt be so shocked by its lengthy grasp then the qqers would stop

Nerf chrono..you have to be kidding..I see chrono getting farmed by DD and revs like no tomorrow, the rest get blown up by dragon hunters. Double chrono is now worst than double thief lol, you may as well give up and alt f4

Embolism.8106:

Although I’m pretty sure balance changes are already in the works, there’s basically none in the day 1 HoT patch despite feedback from BWE3 so presumably the balance patch is coming later.

Unless of course you’re a ranger, then you get nerfed even prior to HoT release, and then another nerf every few hour or so…

If you guys would actully watch 5v5 tournaments (the game is balanced around 5v5) you would see how well chronomancer has been doing.

-Helseth has not died as much in an esl as he did on chrono in a looong time. Frostball died more than usual too.
-In NA, there wasn’t a single chronomancer in the whole ESL iirc. (Certainly not in the finals, where we saw things like tempest, reaper, rev, scrapper, dragonhunter)
-Afterwards, Helseth even went so far as to say that its impossible to play mesmer vs teams without stealth- he might even be going back to torch over shield.
-Additionally, the chronomancers that did play, didn’t even use gravity well, they used moa for the most part.

Let’s wait a bit longer, shall we?

I wasn’t born yesterday.

That’s why I responded immediately and called out the OP of this thread…. a Tome farmer should have no say what to nerf or what’s OP. It sounds harsh but if noobs are allowed to be taken seriously, then say goodbye to the thousands of hours you wasted mastering your profession.

Nova Stiker.8396:

trytonianYeti.4389:

Nova Stiker.8396:

trytonianYeti.4389:

Zoltreez.6435:

i usualy don’t call for nerfs im more a buff the weak weapons guys but HOLY MOTHER OF…………………………..

Too many DEFENSE compared to the dmg and cc they can doo

too many immunes
too many bubbles
too many 0 0 0 0
too many CC
and ALL of this with a crapload of dmg.

wtf seriously i kill a bunker guard easier then a chrono and they also don’t nuke my healtbar down while cc ing me to oblivion……..

Cele dd eles feel balanced compared to this.im not joking.

It’s hard to take someone who PVPs to farm tomes seriously. I want to tell you to L2P but I don’t think you PVP because you enjoy it.

LOL trytonianYeti.4389, are you really so insecure that you cannot take your own word? You must look through the persons history and find something silly/stupid and use it against them? A shining example of internet.

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Back to topic, I haven’t gotten the chance to test it out since the last BWE but Chronomancer is just shatterspike 2.0 and nothing more. According to the patch notes it’s what ArenaNet thinks Chronomancers are, more shatterspike.

I don’t find this an issue, except it’s a better Mesmer. P2W everyone! Get HoT or get out of competitive play

It could be that I’m not gullible nor do I suffer against chronomancers like you are. It’s ok if you’re not aware that the complaints of most people lack merit. From your flawed understanding of P2W, I am certain you are one of those people

Aww, how can you say it’s a L2P issue when you have a learn to read issue?

I just said I haven’t PvPed since the BWE’s, I haven’t fight a chronomancer today.
That being said, each beta had the exact some problem, it was just shatterspike 2.0. It’s too early to judge anything right now but if it is anything like the hundred hours I spent across 3 weekends PvPing, it’s safe to say ArenaNet learned nothing about their Chronomancer design.

Take your adorable insecurity back to Queensdale, let the pros do the talking.

This guy is forever an idiot

Mesmers needed a nerf even before chrono, I play a mesmer in pvp myself and they are just wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to overpowered for 1 class, the dmg, cc, stealth and just overall traits and skills are way too unbalanced. I hope ANET already knows this and is working on it because for awhile now mesmers have been able to burst people down in matter of a few seconds.

Please stop all of this bs. Chrono is in a terrible spot right now at the competetive level.

SixxxZ.4317:

Mesmers needed a nerf even before chrono, I play a mesmer in pvp myself and they are just wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to overpowered for 1 class, the dmg, cc, stealth and just overall traits and skills are way too unbalanced. I hope ANET already knows this and is working on it because for awhile now mesmers have been able to burst people down in matter of a few seconds.

PU Dire Mesmer is kitten on WvW since always.

Many people hoped Anet to balance it.

So far there were buffs.

I would think twice before hoping anything from Anet in case of balancing.

SixxxZ.4317:

Mesmers needed a nerf even before chrono, I play a mesmer in pvp myself and they are just wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to overpowered for 1 class, the dmg, cc, stealth and just overall traits and skills are way too unbalanced. I hope ANET already knows this and is working on it because for awhile now mesmers have been able to burst people down in matter of a few seconds.

Remember how MtD was “nerfed” as well as many other things. Mesmer was balanced to Chronomancer in advance.

Had it not been you bet your button you weren’t going anywhere with (just for loose fun)

6 OR 8 stacks of Torment from one full shatter (Original MtD) C.S.
+
6 OR 8 stacks for a second full shatter
+
4 OR6 stacks if you just wanted to clear the last 2 shatters IN Continuum Split (no clones).
+
the same stack of 12OR16 again once you come out of Continuum Split

28 OR 38 stacks of torment alone. Shave off some for time passing and what not.

Mesmers were nerfed well in advance. People were angry about it then but I am sure they obviously see it now. Consider you had best hope you didn’t catch the scepter #2 once in C.S. and again coming out of C.S. pre nerf with Chronomancer Spec. G.G.

Mesmers would be like the Oprahs of torment. You get torment You get torment. Shatter-shatter-boom-boom you all get torment!

Lets not forget…if you missed us and nabbed a clone #crip4life with Domination line. It’s a wrap.

Again Mesmers were toned down well before.