Guild Wars 2

This should have been a grandmaster Minor trait for defense line.

The problem with Cleansing Ire is that Warriors cannot be viable without this single trait. If any warrior doesn’t bring Cleansing Ire, they have to vastly outskill the enemy to win or die a lot.

No matter what choice we get, Cleansing Ire will always be chosen over Balanced Stance or Cull the Weak. Even if ANet make it a grandmaster defense trait, I would still choose Cleansing Ire over Defy Pain, Rousing Resilience, or the Mace trait. Mainly because warriors cannot be viable without it.

No Meta, Great, or good warrior build can exist without cleansing Ire. If you think I’m wrong, put up a spvp video where you win tons of matches without it. If you can’t make videos or can make videos, submit the build to metabattle.com to have it peer reviewed and watch it become meta. It is just impossible for warriors to be viable without cleansing ire.

My suggestion: Put Cleansing Ire in the Grandmaster Minor trait, and then put Spiked Armor in the Master major traits. I feel that I would have a hard time choosing between the three traits because they are all equally good. With this, warriors can have the freedom to choose what master trait they want in the defense line. Otherwise, ANet would have to buff Cull the weak and Last stand drastically in order to compete with Cleansing Ire and contribute to the power creep. Alternatively, ANet could also remove Cleansing Ire, but ANet would remove warrior not just from the meta overnight, but from PvP existence.

so you want a super strong trait, so strong that all war builds use it to to be a minor trait? So op builds like shout war get buffed even more bc they can pick another trait in that line aswell? Beside the fact that all builds got buffed bc of the aditional 4 traitpoints + traits getting merged?

pls dont be silly.

Anti.9156:

so you want a super strong trait, so strong that all war builds use it to to be a minor trait? So op builds like shout war get buffed even more bc they can pick another trait in that line aswell? Beside the fact that all builds got buffed bc of the aditional 4 traitpoints + traits getting merged?

pls dont be silly.

Cleansing Ire isn’t OP. Cleansing Ire is necessary if Warriors wants to see existence in PvP. Meaning, Warriors are trash tier without cleansing Ire. Any spvp warrior will tell you that cleansing ire is necessary for Warriors. No matter how ignorant you are, no matter how much you laugh it off, warrior spvp builds will take the defense line to take cleansing ire in order to remain competitive.

ANet wants a game where players can easily choose between three traits in a single tier. That means, in order for the other two traits to compete with cleansing Ire: Cull the weak would need to have the threshold of 75% hp + deal 50% more damage to weakened foes and balance stance would need to have cd reduction to 30 seconds. The power creep would be ridiculous. It is better to solve this by sticking it into the minor trait so that warriors can actually make some meaningful choices for defense master tier trait slot. If you disagree that warriors can’t survive without cleansing ire, submit the build and get it peer-reviewed. Find me a warrior spvp build that works without cleansing ire.

Otherwise, might as well make it a minor trait to fix the issue.

I think you may be overlooking the change to Mending. With it becoming a physical skill which means when traited it has lower CD so condis may not be such a huge issue especially with Brawler’s Recovery becoming a Master trait. Healing Signet is also getting Resistance so there’s even more access to anti-condi.

Burr, even if we had enough condi cleanse. The big problem would still exist in the adrenaline management problems ( since CI gives adrenaline on hit, which thus provides most adrenaline on warrior)

Cleansing ire has to be baseline, or a minor grandmaster trait instead of the retaliation.

Also, fast hands has to be baseline.
Now every warrior runs 3 in discipline trait (cuz well, we need this trait… ) and 4 in defence( cuz CI). This means post patch we’ll be forced into these 2 traitlines and only have the choice out of one other line.

runeblade.7514:

No Meta, Great, or good warrior build can exist without cleansing Ire. If you think I’m wrong, put up a spvp video where you win tons of matches without it. If you can’t make videos or can make videos, submit the build to metabattle.com to have it peer reviewed and watch it become meta. It is just impossible for warriors to be viable without cleansing ire.

K.

http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/6152446

Need more videos? Look for more on my stream on my highlights. It’s not “impossible” it just takes actual skill to play without it. But I guess low skill players will have to have Cleansing Ire where-as better Warriors such as Tarcis can definitely make non-Cleansing Ire builds work.

P.S Also winning a “match” in solo que is subjective. I would focus on mechanics and application if I were you, but you’re kind of simple minded I think so I’ll probably leave it at that.

AND If you want actual tournament play?

http://www.twitch.tv/aspkgg/b/648788988 Rainbows vs. Team Alpha. Lost to the second team but I did okay.

Should have given it the Elemental attunement/evasive arcana treatment and put it competing for the same slot as fast hands. You know because need to make choices.

BlackTruth.6813:

runeblade.7514:

No Meta, Great, or good warrior build can exist without cleansing Ire. If you think I’m wrong, put up a spvp video where you win tons of matches without it. If you can’t make videos or can make videos, submit the build to metabattle.com to have it peer reviewed and watch it become meta. It is just impossible for warriors to be viable without cleansing ire.

K.

http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/6152446

Need more videos? Look for more on my stream on my highlights. It’s not “impossible” it just takes actual skill to play without it. But I guess low skill players will have to have Cleansing Ire where-as better Warriors such as Tarcis can definitely make non-Cleansing Ire builds work.

P.S Also winning a “match” in solo que is subjective. I would focus on mechanics and application if I were you, but you’re kind of simple minded I think so I’ll probably leave it at that.

AND If you want actual tournament play?

http://www.twitch.tv/aspkgg/b/648788988 Rainbows vs. Team Alpha. Lost to the second team but I did okay.

These videos are really not relevant. I’m sorry, but popping all your stances at once is just bad. Also, double dodging at random times makes no sence + you random dodge like a mofo, it’s insane. Hereby i assume your post as completely irrelevant.

Anyhow, on the CI thing. Dont you notice that you are able to use your burst skills like maybe 1 or 2 times total in a complete duel or teamfight because your lack of adrenaline? That you have to sometimes just kite at 70%p because you have nothing to actually “save” you if bursted?

Sorry to shatter you dreams, but CI is a must-have.

BurrTheKing.8571:

I think you may be overlooking the change to Mending. With it becoming a physical skill which means when traited it has lower CD so condis may not be such a huge issue especially with Brawler’s Recovery becoming a Master trait. Healing Signet is also getting Resistance so there’s even more access to anti-condi.

6 seconds of resistance boon is not a very long duration though.

plus boons can be so very easily removed.

would be nice if level 3 adrenaline bar means mending heals for 150% extra health.

I think it would make sense for cleansing ire to become a minor trait or even base line if it mean’t also having to land combustive shot in order to get it to proc, just my opinion.

BlackTruth.6813:

runeblade.7514:

No Meta, Great, or good warrior build can exist without cleansing Ire. If you think I’m wrong, put up a spvp video where you win tons of matches without it. If you can’t make videos or can make videos, submit the build to metabattle.com to have it peer reviewed and watch it become meta. It is just impossible for warriors to be viable without cleansing ire.

K.

http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/6152446

Need more videos? Look for more on my stream on my highlights. It’s not “impossible” it just takes actual skill to play without it. But I guess low skill players will have to have Cleansing Ire where-as better Warriors such as Tarcis can definitely make non-Cleansing Ire builds work.

P.S Also winning a “match” in solo que is subjective. I would focus on mechanics and application if I were you, but you’re kind of simple minded I think so I’ll probably leave it at that.

AND If you want actual tournament play?

http://www.twitch.tv/aspkgg/b/648788988 Rainbows vs. Team Alpha. Lost to the second team but I did okay.

Submit those builds to get it peer reviewed. If it makes good, great, meta status, then I would take down my thread.

Grimreaper.5370:

I think it would make sense for cleansing ire to become a minor trait or even base line if it mean’t also having to land combustive shot in order to get it to proc, just my opinion.

It doesn’t matter, you get all defense minor traits.

ArthurDent.9538:

Should have given it the Elemental attunement/evasive arcana treatment and put it competing for the same slot as fast hands. You know because need to make choices.

Then it would kill every other build other than shoutbow.

I will not discuss about ele because this isn’t an ele thread. Take your salt somewhere else.