Guild Wars 2

Concern: When is Guild Wars 2 going to get serious about eSports?

It is, slowly. There was the first global championship at PAX last year, ArenaNet now broadcasts a player-versus-player show twice a week, and the prestigious Electronic Sports League has finally picked up Guild Wars 2.

“We’re not trying to push too heavily in that area yet,” said Johanson. ArenaNet wants to get China sorted and release needed PVP updates first – leagues and ladders to better match players. “We also want to get a couple more major gameplay types out there for players to pick between,” he added.

Nevertheless, the growth in Guild Wars 2 PVP activity, since rewards were added, has been “spectacular”. “Since the build we did at the beginning of December, we’ve seen about a 40 per cent increase in PVP players, and that has stayed steady ever since.”

40 percent increase isn’t that much considering that nobody was/is playing xD

would like to know the true amount …

forgot something: ESSSPOOOTTTZZZZ!!!

Surreal.5243:

40 percent increase isn’t that much considering that nobody was/is playing xD

would like to know the true amount …

40% + 0 is still better than 0. Stop being a negative nancy.

But but…half of the players from the PvP guild I joined in October 2012 have quit! PvP is dying!

;)

Why is this topic brought up so often?

This game is nowhere near being ready for e-sports. Some of the reasons include the fact that this game just isn’t enjoyable to watch, as it is hard to tell what is going on in the clusterkitten of AoE’s and AI running around. Also having a game that is based on reacting to animations isn’t the greatest idea when we have tiny asuras running around with near-impossible to see animations when including the amount of particle effects.

When the game is ready e-sports will find Gw2, not the other way around. For now, maybe we should let this idea of e-sports drift away and enjoy the game for what it is currently.

Edit: Also hard counters such as Diamond Skin don’t help.

Forz.1725:

Why is this topic brought up so often?
Edit: Also hard counters such as Diamond Skin don’t help.

Diamond skin and eles are definitely the reason this game isn’t espahts

I wish they could expiriment with the colors a bit in the PvP side
For examples replacing any Fire spells with the Guardian’s dark blue spells .
And darken even more the Red + Blue color of each bases , or replacing them with a more darker colors

I am not a an artist , but when you combine flashy colors like Red(fire spells) + White (light spells) , its create a little visual havoc

Marcos.3690:

Forz.1725:

Why is this topic brought up so often?
Edit: Also hard counters such as Diamond Skin don’t help.

Diamond skin and eles are definitely the reason this game isn’t espahts

Lel, indeed nurf elez, no e sprotz becuz elez! they be playn oferboard ouupie specs like diamn skiz

No one runs that

Ugruk.4069:

Lel, indeed nurf elez, no e sprotz becuz elez! they be playn oferboard ouupie specs like diamn skiz

No one runs that

No one said anything about nerfing ele’s but I’ll use your logic. Since no one uses diamond skin would it be considered a nerf if they removed it completely?

My post was just an example of a hard counter that doesn’t really have a place when looking at the game from a balancing standpoint. One trait should not create a 100% win rate against a certain spec.

Are you okay with the developers adding similar traits that create more hard counters? I’m not.

Forz.1725:

Ugruk.4069:

Lel, indeed nurf elez, no e sprotz becuz elez! they be playn oferboard ouupie specs like diamn skiz

No one runs that

No one said anything about nerfing ele’s but I’ll use your logic. Since no one uses diamond skin would it be considered a nerf if they removed it completely?

My post was just an example of a hard counter that doesn’t really have a place when looking at the game from a balancing standpoint. One trait should not create a 100% win rate against a certain spec.

Are you okay with the developers adding similar traits that create more hard counters? I’m not.

The thing is diamond skin doesn’t counter anything, so when someone uses the words “hard” and “counter” to describe diamond skin everyone that actually plays the game instead of the forums laugh at him

Marcos.3690:

The thing is diamond skin doesn’t counter anything, so when someone uses the words “hard” and “counter” to describe diamond skin everyone that actually plays the game instead of the forums laugh at him

Are you saying Diamond Skin doesn’t counter condition specs? Uhh, what?

Marcos.3690:

Concern: When is Guild Wars 2 going to get serious about eSports?

N E V E R
Also, only 40%, wasn’t it something like “double”…

I think that Anet can do it. The rewards was such a small part to be added compared to the ladders and such. I think they have a lot planned ahead for us and I’m excited for it.

Forz.1725:

Marcos.3690:

The thing is diamond skin doesn’t counter anything, so when someone uses the words “hard” and “counter” to describe diamond skin everyone that actually plays the game instead of the forums laugh at him

Are you saying Diamond Skin doesn’t counter condition specs? Uhh, what?

Diamond skin is just bad

Marcos.3690:

Diamond skin is just bad

I like how you took one part of my argument about why this game isn’t ready for e-sports instead of looking at the whole point of my post. Just to clarify, my post did not point only to Diamond Skin, I just used that as an example. I could have used automated response in place of diamond skin and made the same point. The point is “precedents” and “power creep.”

Oh well, so much for discussion.

>ESL
>Prestigious

About as believable as the comparison between this game and Game of Thrones.

Forz.1725:

Ugruk.4069:

Lel, indeed nurf elez, no e sprotz becuz elez! they be playn oferboard ouupie specs like diamn skiz

No one runs that

No one said anything about nerfing ele’s but I’ll use your logic. Since no one uses diamond skin would it be considered a nerf if they removed it completely?

My post was just an example of a hard counter that doesn’t really have a place when looking at the game from a balancing standpoint. One trait should not create a 100% win rate against a certain spec.

Are you okay with the developers adding similar traits that create more hard counters? I’m not.

Wanna know a big hard effing counter? Immunity when you want to condis for 8 secs, but wait! there is more! immunity when you want to Direct Damage for another 8 seconds, but wait! You can get Another 8 secs of stability All in a neat little package of stunlocks and ranged damage/aoe and survivability.

Wanna guess what class is wrong?

Ah GW2 and Esports.
The conversation that has been a dead horse since Oct 2012…
Hint: it ain’t gonna happen.

Just play the PvP if you have fun with the PvP, and if you don’t like it, stop playing.

the 40% are achievement point hunters like me, I rarely played more than the 3 games needed for daily before, now we need 8 wins

Anet please fix your Stealth system + Ranger pet system before u do anything in PvP

Ugruk.4069:

Forz.1725:

Ugruk.4069:

Lel, indeed nurf elez, no e sprotz becuz elez! they be playn oferboard ouupie specs like diamn skiz

No one runs that

No one said anything about nerfing ele’s but I’ll use your logic. Since no one uses diamond skin would it be considered a nerf if they removed it completely?

My post was just an example of a hard counter that doesn’t really have a place when looking at the game from a balancing standpoint. One trait should not create a 100% win rate against a certain spec.

Are you okay with the developers adding similar traits that create more hard counters? I’m not.

Wanna know a big hard effing counter? Immunity when you want to condis for 8 secs, but wait! there is more! immunity when you want to Direct Damage for another 8 seconds, but wait! You can get Another 8 secs of stability All in a neat little package of stunlocks and ranged damage/aoe and survivability.

Wanna guess what class is wrong?

Great, we are on the same page. Hard counters suck. Tell me more about your warrior hate, my shoulder is awaiting your tears.

Forz.1725:

Great, we are on the same page. Hard counters suck. Tell me more about your warrior hate, my shoulder is awaiting your tears.

buhzuhkuz stantss!!!!

Lopez.7369:

Johanson’s response makes perfect sense to me. There’s no reason to push e-sports until the rewards revamp (hopefully) brings in a healthy population.

I’m excited for this on behalf of my unborn grandchildren.

entropy.9613:

Lopez.7369:

Johanson’s response makes perfect sense to me. There’s no reason to push e-sports until the rewards revamp (hopefully) brings in a healthy population.

I’m excited for this on behalf of my unborn grandchildren.

They’re in a tough spot. They mentioned they had hopes for e-sports in some pre-launch interviews and ever since then their playerbase has been making a thread about espahts about every other minute. Apparently, some people now believe “espahts” is an insult which means “I deserve to be internationally recognized for my great skill in playing computerized games and your company is to be ridiculed for not providing me fame and glory.”

Meanwhile, the WvW community is convinced that every decision they don’t like is a conspiracy to intentionally ruin WvW and therefore funnel people into PvP to fuel an espahts dream (I am not making this up or exaggerating). Any time Anet does something like put $1000 down for a modest invitational tournament, the WvW forums make threads for months like “stop chasing the esports dream, shut down PvP entirely and focus on providing WvW players with everything we ask for.”

So the devs have been making the best of it and making good improvements where they are needed while saying the least controversial things to avoid forum riots from conspiracy theorists.

number of players is up, number of viewers is up, number of streamers is up.

despite the seemingly ardent wishes for complete demise, the game is quietly clawing its way back up.

I don’t feel gw2 will ever be taken seriously as a esport. I realized this the moment I learned gw2 would have elements that allow players to lose control of there character like fears, stuns and to a extent immobilize. And of course stealth.

If those four elements weren’t apart of the game I think the game would be more successful at trying to be a esport.

faeral.7120:

despite the seemingly ardent wishes for complete demise, the game is quietly clawing its way back up.

So is disco. And disco doesn’t have to worry about Elder Scrolls Online being in beta.

There are haters who want the game to fail, then there are disappointed realists.

““We’re not trying to push too heavily in that area yet”

They push so softly and gentle, it freaking tickles…
Around six years of developtment and over one year after release. Dont overwork yourself, guys!

The article was all about PvE. Just at the end A LITTLE about PvP and not even going into details.

I wouldn’t mind if GW2 PVP never lifts itself from dismal failure as a PVP game because it will mean that there’s far less chance of downed state/rallying ruining future would-be PVP games.

NevirSayDie.6235:

entropy.9613:

Lopez.7369:

Johanson’s response makes perfect sense to me. There’s no reason to push e-sports until the rewards revamp (hopefully) brings in a healthy population.

I’m excited for this on behalf of my unborn grandchildren.

They’re in a tough spot. They mentioned they had hopes for e-sports in some pre-launch interviews and ever since then their playerbase has been making a thread about espahts about every other minute. Apparently, some people now believe “espahts” is an insult which means “I deserve to be internationally recognized for my great skill in playing computerized games and your company is to be ridiculed for not providing me fame and glory.”

Meanwhile, the WvW community is convinced that every decision they don’t like is a conspiracy to intentionally ruin WvW and therefore funnel people into PvP to fuel an espahts dream (I am not making this up or exaggerating). Any time Anet does something like put $1000 down for a modest invitational tournament, the WvW forums make threads for months like “stop chasing the esports dream, shut down PvP entirely and focus on providing WvW players with everything we ask for.”

So the devs have been making the best of it and making good improvements where they are needed while saying the least controversial things to avoid forum riots from conspiracy theorists.

I think the WvW have been doing cyber attacking on the SPvP Servers. Conspiracy I don’t think so, have you seen there GvG’s I’m sure Anet’s own servers try to crash themselves each time they play host to this abomination.

Also I like your post I was kittened off at this game and your post picked me back up cause it’s so true lol.

NevirSayDie.6235:

Meanwhile, the WvW community is convinced that every decision they don’t like is a conspiracy to intentionally ruin WvW and therefore funnel people into PvP to fuel an espahts dream (I am not making this up or exaggerating). Any time Anet does something like put $1000 down for a modest invitational tournament, the WvW forums make threads for months like “stop chasing the esports dream, shut down PvP entirely and focus on providing WvW players with everything we ask for.”

So the devs have been making the best of it and making good improvements where they are needed while saying the least controversial things to avoid forum riots from conspiracy theorists.

Haha, awesome.

Sounds pretty reasonable, you can tell he was wary of forum trolls when he wrote it.

Maybe he didn’t factor in the diamond skin ele rage though.

Forz.1725:

Ugruk.4069:

Forz.1725:

Ugruk.4069:

Lel, indeed nurf elez, no e sprotz becuz elez! they be playn oferboard ouupie specs like diamn skiz

No one runs that

No one said anything about nerfing ele’s but I’ll use your logic. Since no one uses diamond skin would it be considered a nerf if they removed it completely?

My post was just an example of a hard counter that doesn’t really have a place when looking at the game from a balancing standpoint. One trait should not create a 100% win rate against a certain spec.

Are you okay with the developers adding similar traits that create more hard counters? I’m not.

Wanna know a big hard effing counter? Immunity when you want to condis for 8 secs, but wait! there is more! immunity when you want to Direct Damage for another 8 seconds, but wait! You can get Another 8 secs of stability All in a neat little package of stunlocks and ranged damage/aoe and survivability.

Wanna guess what class is wrong?

Great, we are on the same page. Hard counters suck. Tell me more about your warrior hate, my shoulder is awaiting your tears.

Hate the warrior? Are you kidding me? I love it! It’s the best class to play! Counters pretty much the whole class range…. Tsc tsc diamond skin is what needs to go man…

Sol.4310:

I think the WvW have been doing cyber attacking on the SPvP Servers. Conspiracy I don’t think so, have you seen there GvG’s I’m sure Anet’s own servers try to crash themselves each time they play host to this abomination.

Haha now there’s something I hadn’t thought of. Well played.