Guild Wars 2

I am always against Cruuk, out of the maybe 10 games I play per day, he is on at least 2 of them. Always against me mind you.

Cruuk is ranked 252, me.. not even on the leaderboards. Every time I come against him, we get kitten d. Like it’s not even a competition. It’s not a call out to him, it’s simply an example of how broken the matchmaking is.

Why do I have to suffer against teams destined to beat mine. Why is it even an option for it to happen? The reason why the players % wins is so high towards the top end, is because the ones like myself have to suffer in games we’re destined to lose, and are simply food for them.

Why play a game mechanic that seems to cater only for one side? The current system seems to… get a bunch of similar ranked players, and then put them either against another team of similar ranked players, who are drastically higher, or drastically lower. It’s never even..

I ask.. what the flying kitten!

The general consensus in the forums about match-making is that it’s pretty awful, especially in Solo Q.

The devs have vaguely openly recognized that there is a problem and have stated on several occasions that they’re working on modifying the existing system.

this is how match making algorithm works for soloq https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Are-Anet-aware-that-solo-q-is-broken/first#post2923482

If you win your first few match starting off a fresh account, you will continue to win and have the advantage of getting the better team each time. As you move higher your chances of getting the better team increases more and more.

However, if you lose, you will be stuck in the forever pit of losing and dwell deeper and deeper. Not impossible to break out of this disadvantage, but its much harder. Suggest not re-queuing so fast after a loss because you will get the same team if they are bad, or sync queue with people of similar rating to help break out of the curse.

TL;DR system is flawed/broken.

kirito.4138:

this is how match making algorithm works for soloq https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Are-Anet-aware-that-solo-q-is-broken/first#post2923482

If you win your first few match starting off a fresh account, you will continue to win and have the advantage of getting the better team each time. As you move higher your chances of getting the better team increases more and more.

However, if you lose, you will be stuck in the forever pit of losing and dwell deeper and deeper. Not impossible to break out of this disadvantage, but its much harder. Suggest not re-queuing so fast after a loss because you will get the same team if they are bad, or sync queue with people of similar rating to help break out of the curse.

TL;DR system is flawed/broken.

This is pretty much the end all be all of the subject matter. The funny bit is that those within the higher ranks all know one another and due to this will be in some form of voip com’s together. It is what it is and I can deal with it.

What probably should happen is that the leaderboards be purged every month. In this way we will not have a couple of people with less than 20 matches at the top. Degredation could be amped up but truly a monthly reset of the leaderboards would encourage many to get off of their alts and play on mains or just play in general.

Either way, I am a firm believer that the leaderboards should be reset on a regular basis. Excellent players will always rise to the top regardless, average and above will fill in the gaps, and everyone else will strive to get better.

While I consider myself within the latter category I should not be penalized outright, in every match, for it. How else can one expect improvement when you are fighting top 300+ players and your team has people who are not ranked at all. Let alone the fact many who are there do their daily and be done with it.

As it stands right now there is no true flux on rank because of the disparity inherent within the matchmaking system. Fix the system and reset the ladderboards post haste.

Absinth.6917:

kirito.4138:

this is how match making algorithm works for soloq https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Are-Anet-aware-that-solo-q-is-broken/first#post2923482

If you win your first few match starting off a fresh account, you will continue to win and have the advantage of getting the better team each time. As you move higher your chances of getting the better team increases more and more.

However, if you lose, you will be stuck in the forever pit of losing and dwell deeper and deeper. Not impossible to break out of this disadvantage, but its much harder. Suggest not re-queuing so fast after a loss because you will get the same team if they are bad, or sync queue with people of similar rating to help break out of the curse.

TL;DR system is flawed/broken.

This is pretty much the end all be all of the subject matter. The funny bit is that those within the higher ranks all know one another and due to this will be in some form of voip com’s together. It is what it is and I can deal with it.

What probably should happen is that the leaderboards be purged every month. In this way we will not have a couple of people with less than 20 matches at the top. Degredation could be amped up but truly a monthly reset of the leaderboards would encourage many to get off of their alts and play on mains or just play in general.

Either way, I am a firm believer that the leaderboards should be reset on a regular basis. Excellent players will always rise to the top regardless, average and above will fill in the gaps, and everyone else will strive to get better.

While I consider myself within the latter category I should not be penalized outright, in every match, for it. How else can one expect improvement when you are fighting top 300+ players and your team has people who are not ranked at all. Let alone the fact many who are there do their daily and be done with it.

As it stands right now there is no true flux on rank because of the disparity inherent within the matchmaking system. Fix the system and reset the ladderboards post haste.

The problem with resetting is that every month, matchmaking would be even worse for everyone for ten matches or so until they got a new rank. Also, each month a few people would go 11-0, and they would be on top for that month and then just play their alts.

Drastically increase degredation. And how is it worse for those within the top 200? You mean those 12 wins 1 loss guys at the top might get an extra loss or 2? Oh too bad, after that 3rd loss they might not queue for another 3 months? Or maybe they will play their alts, which is what they are doing anyway….

So your basic premise is that for 10, COUNT THEM – 10, matches everything will be in flux? Is this not a good thing? Would this not encourage other people to play?

Or maybe the top 10-20 will always be the same people. Those within the top 50 will never have a chance at beating their rank. Why? Because we know that the “top” players do not play anyway!

Nice logic there scooter.

edit – ya know what i’ll play nice.

Totally randomize the queues across the board. Top 100 players and unranked vs like teams. Would you prefer that?

Scarlett.1549:

I am always against Cruuk, out of the maybe 10 games I play per day, he is on at least 2 of them. Always against me mind you.

Cruuk is ranked 252, me.. not even on the leaderboards. Every time I come against him, we get kitten d. Like it’s not even a competition. It’s not a call out to him, it’s simply an example of how broken the matchmaking is.

Why do I have to suffer against teams destined to beat mine. Why is it even an option for it to happen? The reason why the players % wins is so high towards the top end, is because the ones like myself have to suffer in games we’re destined to lose, and are simply food for them.

Why play a game mechanic that seems to cater only for one side? The current system seems to… get a bunch of similar ranked players, and then put them either against another team of similar ranked players, who are drastically higher, or drastically lower. It’s never even..

I ask.. what the flying kitten!

They have heard these complaints for months and so far no changes or even a tentative time table for there changes. Really it is the biggest thing wrong with this game at the moment imo even more so then the cruddy meta is how uncompetitve your average solo q match is because of this horrible matching making system. It is common to win by 500-200 or worse and lose by 500-200 or worse all the time. People feel cheated and that leads to a lot of the rage and discontent.

Busy?! doing what?! too you guys 4 long month to come up with close to nothing balance wise, you only made it worse…

Busy, busy. With what are you busy? You took 2 months to ruin pvp more. I dont think you are working at all. No offense – just logical conclusion

Justin ODell.9517:

Volrath.1473:

Busy?! doing what?! too you guys 4 long month to come up with close to nothing balance wise, you only made it worse…

I love you guys

I’m busy ensuring there are no game-breaking bugs.

Honestly, it’s best to not post at all. Actions speak more than words, and let’s just say the pvp actions that have taken place haven’t done much to improve the stability of the game. So just keep up with your programming and make sure to send a mass email when we have a real pvp in this game.

Absinth.6917:

Drastically increase degredation. And how is it worse for those within the top 200? You mean those 12 wins 1 loss guys at the top might get an extra loss or 2? Oh too bad, after that 3rd loss they might not queue for another 3 months? Or maybe they will play their alts, which is what they are doing anyway….

So your basic premise is that for 10, COUNT THEM – 10, matches everything will be in flux? Is this not a good thing? Would this not encourage other people to play?

Or maybe the top 10-20 will always be the same people. Those within the top 50 will never have a chance at beating their rank. Why? Because we know that the “top” players do not play anyway!

Nice logic there scooter.

edit – ya know what i’ll play nice.

Totally randomize the queues across the board. Top 100 players and unranked vs like teams. Would you prefer that?

I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to come across in a way that would cause you to become angry. I merely meant that the top few spots on the leaderboard would look the same even with a monthly reset: probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 15-1 would be good enough for a top 10 spot most months.

The fact that everyone would have 10 matches/month without matchmaking would be an added side effect. I would again ask you to consider my solution of having matches “roll off” your record after a set amount of time.

Justin ODell.9517:

Volrath.1473:

Busy?! doing what?! too you guys 4 long month to come up with close to nothing balance wise, you only made it worse…

I love you guys

I’m busy ensuring there are no game-breaking bugs.

Thanks for posting. It takes guts to do that in this forum.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Justin ODell.9517:

Volrath.1473:

Busy?! doing what?! too you guys 4 long month to come up with close to nothing balance wise, you only made it worse…

I love you guys

I’m busy ensuring there are no game-breaking bugs.

Honestly, it’s best to not post at all. Actions speak more than words, and let’s just say the pvp actions that have taken place haven’t done much to improve the stability of the game. So just keep up with your programming and make sure to send a mass email when we have a real pvp in this game.

This isn’t exactly fair – if devs never post in PvP forums, players complain PvP is the redheaded stepchild and Anet doesn’t care about it. When Dev’s take the time to post, you tell them to get back to work. I’m not happy with the patch, but it’s not this person’s fault specifically.

I fought Cruuk last night in yoloQQ. He is the real deal as is Caed ( Martin puts ya both to shame however ). The team I was on didn’t know how to deal with the burst. Bad play, bad positioning, or more likely bad matchmaking. All of the 3 were in effect. Only the latter truly determined the match. I’m ok with this as I finally got beat down by a guy I respect.

Matchmaking needs to be revamped.

Martin is better than you.

evilapprentice.6379:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Justin ODell.9517:

Volrath.1473:

Busy?! doing what?! too you guys 4 long month to come up with close to nothing balance wise, you only made it worse…

I love you guys

I’m busy ensuring there are no game-breaking bugs.

Honestly, it’s best to not post at all. Actions speak more than words, and let’s just say the pvp actions that have taken place haven’t done much to improve the stability of the game. So just keep up with your programming and make sure to send a mass email when we have a real pvp in this game.

This isn’t exactly fair – if devs never post in PvP forums, players complain PvP is the redheaded stepchild and Anet doesn’t care about it. When Dev’s take the time to post, you tell them to get back to work. I’m not happy with the patch, but it’s not this person’s fault specifically.

Fair enough, my bad on that part. Just getting impatient with being able to play competitive without having to resort to fotm builds.

Will my grandson(got no sons atm) be in time for your balanced matchmaking? Or is it too early?

Arheundel.6451:

Will my grandson(got no sons atm) be in time for your balanced matchmaking? Or is it too early?

maybe your son will receive an answer to that

You guys need to stop flaming every red post that comes on here just because you have a sandy kitten .

Justin probably doesn’t have a lot of resources at his disposal to fix the matchmaking, and most likely has a constant inflow of other issues that require immediate attention. Server side programming has a hell of a lot more to it than what you can see. Cut the guy some slack. He is good enough to come here and try to let you know what he is working on.

Direct your frustration where it belongs if you feel like you need to flame. Point at the management that hasn’t given them enough resources to address this in a timely fashion.

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671:

You guys need to stop flaming every red post that comes on here just because you have a sandy kitten .

Justin probably doesn’t have a lot of resources at his disposal to fix the matchmaking, and most likely has a constant inflow of other issues that require immediate attention. Server side programming has a hell of a lot more to it than what you can see. Cut the guy some slack. He is good enough to come here and try to let you know what he is working on.

Direct your frustration where it belongs if you feel like you need to flame. Point at the management that hasn’t given them enough resources to address this in a timely fashion.

Did that already..and got infracted for that, I did point out the name of the culprit( shhh Nexon say hi..say no more)..all we’re left with..are the devs :-)

I for one love the idea of sPVP. My gaming background comes from smaller number competition (FPS games, pre 30+ man servers.) I would venture to say I prefer sPVP to WvW most of the time. When I want to step away from the grind of farming gold/items for a legend precursor, I go to sPVP.

I had easily over 300+ matches in Team Tournaments before they implemented Solo queues. I was so exited for Solo queues because no longer was I going to pug with people who obviously did not know the mechanics against premades. As a community we asked for Solo Queue and we got it. The work is obviously not over.

While I appreciate the amount of time that has gone into trying to balance classes in sPVP, I think the PVP Dev Team may be misplacing priority of issues. No matter how much class balancing you do, talent of a player always plays the baseline of how difficult a fight is going to be. That means to have a chance of a fun match, win or lose, you need players of similar talent levels. I would think Solo Queue was implemented to create that need, but it is obvious something is not right. I, as a player, could care less that you balanced my ability to play against another class if I am getting teamed with people who don’t know what a treb is or how tranquility works. I am PVP rank 31, not farmed FYI, and get lumped in with players sub level 10. I know Anet wants the community to thrive; fixing this is the first start, not any further class balance. Stop any other PVP project, give yourself a deadline of a week to implement tests directly related to this problem. Maybe implement an algorithm that incorporates PVP level as well; anything to keep the level 4 player out of a level 30+ match…

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671:

You guys need to stop flaming every red post that comes on here just because you have a sandy kitten .

Justin probably doesn’t have a lot of resources at his disposal to fix the matchmaking, and most likely has a constant inflow of other issues that require immediate attention. Server side programming has a hell of a lot more to it than what you can see. Cut the guy some slack. He is good enough to come here and try to let you know what he is working on.

Direct your frustration where it belongs if you feel like you need to flame. Point at the management that hasn’t given them enough resources to address this in a timely fashion.

First of all, Justin is a big boy and I doubt his feeling gets too hurt reading these posts and even if he allows it to its his job. Second of all this has been a problem for over two months although you can argue it goes back to the inception of rated team matches (April) because they brought nothing knew for solo q they just kluged the team queue rating system and matchamking on to it. Nobody is asking for some kind of miracle over night. If the full fix is going to be that time consuming can’t they put in some kind of band aid that might help alleviate these problems a little until then? At the very least maybe have some kind of tier like everybody rank 15 and under has there own matches. How hard can it be to filter out rank 15 and under. This is a really big problem. They are doing themselves zero favors by doing absolutely nothing immediate to fix it. The patient is dieing on the table.

Kwll.1468:

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671:

You guys need to stop flaming every red post that comes on here just because you have a sandy kitten .

Justin probably doesn’t have a lot of resources at his disposal to fix the matchmaking, and most likely has a constant inflow of other issues that require immediate attention. Server side programming has a hell of a lot more to it than what you can see. Cut the guy some slack. He is good enough to come here and try to let you know what he is working on.

Direct your frustration where it belongs if you feel like you need to flame. Point at the management that hasn’t given them enough resources to address this in a timely fashion.

First of all, Justin is a big boy and I doubt his feeling gets too hurt reading these posts and even if he allows it to its his job. Second of all this has been a problem for over two months although you can argue it goes back to the inception of rated team matches (April) because they brought nothing knew for solo q they just kluged the team queue rating system and matchamking on to it. Nobody is asking for some kind of miracle over night. If the full fix is going to be that time consuming can’t they put in some kind of band aid that might help alleviate these problems a little until then? At the very least maybe have some kind of tier like everybody rank 15 and under has there own matches. How hard can it be to filter out rank 15 and under. This is a really big problem. They are doing themselves zero favors.

Last I checked, Justin’s tag was “Server Programmer” not, “Guy who makes all the decisions that hold this game back so lets kitten on him”.

Expressing disappointment is fine. Being a prick about it is not – it’s nobodies job to put up with anyone elses childish flaming, especially not a “server programmer” who took time out of his day to post here (like the community has asked time and time again) when it would have been infinitely easier to just avoid the cesspool that these forums will be for the next few days.

evilapprentice.6379:

Kwll.1468:

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671:

You guys need to stop flaming every red post that comes on here just because you have a sandy kitten .

Justin probably doesn’t have a lot of resources at his disposal to fix the matchmaking, and most likely has a constant inflow of other issues that require immediate attention. Server side programming has a hell of a lot more to it than what you can see. Cut the guy some slack. He is good enough to come here and try to let you know what he is working on.

Direct your frustration where it belongs if you feel like you need to flame. Point at the management that hasn’t given them enough resources to address this in a timely fashion.

First of all, Justin is a big boy and I doubt his feeling gets too hurt reading these posts and even if he allows it to its his job. Second of all this has been a problem for over two months although you can argue it goes back to the inception of rated team matches (April) because they brought nothing knew for solo q they just kluged the team queue rating system and matchamking on to it. Nobody is asking for some kind of miracle over night. If the full fix is going to be that time consuming can’t they put in some kind of band aid that might help alleviate these problems a little until then? At the very least maybe have some kind of tier like everybody rank 15 and under has there own matches. How hard can it be to filter out rank 15 and under. This is a really big problem. They are doing themselves zero favors.

Last I checked, Justin’s tag was “Server Programmer” not, “Guy who makes all the decisions that hold this game back so lets kitten on him”.

Expressing disappointment is fine. Being a prick about it is not – it’s nobodies job to put up with anyone elses childish flaming, especially not a “server programmer” who took time out of his day to post here (like the community has asked time and time again) when it would have been infinitely easier to just avoid the cesspool that these forums will be for the next few days.

maybe u hasnt read the post.. he declined that matchmaking is broken. the same story like randommapselektor wasnt broken. after that he was sarkastic.

hooma.9642:

maybe u hasnt read the post.. he declined that matchmaking is broken. the same story like randommapselektor wasnt broken. after that he was sarkastic.

Actually he described some different ways he had been working on a better matchmaker, and showed how one of the suggestions was a slight improvement on the current system but still flawed.