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Illusionary Reversion and Chronophantasm along with signet of illusions are imo the main culprits. Clone generation on top of clone sustainability is the bread and butter of mesmers/chronos as a class imo.

As for condi eng its personally fine does a lot of mixed condi damage which is very effective against ppl that lack condi cleansing.

Lalainnia.3598:

Illusionary Reversion and Chronophantasm along with signet of illusions are imo the main culprits. Clone generation on top of clone sustainability is the bread and butter of mesmers/chronos as a class imo.

As for condi eng its personally fine does a lot of mixed condi damage which is very effective against ppl that lack condi cleansing.

Signet of illusions is the main problem.

Auroraborealis.7310:

There is no need for elaboration here. Condi mes is currently performing higher than it should given the amount of effort required. Currently condi in general is putting out to much pressure from most specs using this form of damage, however the mesmer is at the front of the condi parade leading strong.

It would be nice to get some adjustments to conditions before the next season, if not to all conditions at least mesmer because this class is where the condi type damage is currently being abused the most.

Engi is also dishing out too much condi pressure, but not many are using it so complaints are low therefore not problematic as mes. It also doesn’t have the sustainability of mes when using core condi engi spec.

Do you try core condi engi ? it is a great spec, with a great burst but it is not fully viable. The reason is not the lack of sustain. The real problem is the lack of condi remove imho . It is a little better for surviving if you take invention instead of tools but you lose a lot ( toolkit is not that good , no kinetick battery …) so you lose defense and dps for 3 more condition cleaned in a minute . It is viable only for fun but if you find a good condi necro , condi mesmer , condi warrior or condi ranger … as condi engi you become quite unusefull. Mesmer on the other hand is much stronger and better, but not stronger than a warrior ,a scrapper , druid … so you have to tune down all togegher, mesmer has already been nerfed a lot

Mesmer has been hit repeatedly. Most recently, Moa took yet another strong nerf. This is a learn to play issue, not a Mesmer problem.

Ithilwen.1529:

Mesmer has been hit repeatedly. Most recently, Moa took yet another strong nerf. This is a learn to play issue, not a Mesmer problem.

Very dismissive response. Yes, Moa was nerfed, no, it’s not required for condi mes. That does not at all address the main concerns about clone generation (Chronophantasma doubles your phantasm generation with no downside), condi stacks, and condi duration. The OP provided actual numbers to prove his point, where is your fact-based counterargument that condi mes isn’t OP and is well-balanced?

I’m not a spreadsheet theorycrafter. I do know what I’ve seen in-game over the past 4 years+.

Mesmer is not currently dominant in PvP or PvE. If it were OP like an early trap DH, it would be flavor of the month. The fact that it’s not demonstrates that it’s not OP.

There isn’t a thing OP about Mesmer as it currently stands. ANET has historically been very strict on Mesmer. After destroying the glamour bomb, Mesmer was trash tier for what? A year? Two?

The OP probably lost to a Mesmer. That is not a reason that Mesmer needs a nerf… rather it means the OP needs to improve there game.

Ithilwen.1529:

Mesmer has been hit repeatedly. Most recently, Moa took yet another strong nerf. This is a learn to play issue, not a Mesmer problem.

I agree with this. Sorry, but mesmer is at the bottum of the DPS chart and nerfed with every patch. If they reduce condi, there is just not much left when it comes to PVP or WvW…

Random unknown people that main a class that have boss like survivability because of good defenses + mobility + high damage all together always think their class are well balanced.

Auroraborealis.7310:

There is no need for elaboration here. Condi mes is currently performing higher than it should given the amount of effort required. Currently condi in general is putting out to much pressure from most specs using this form of damage, however the mesmer is at the front of the condi parade leading strong.

It would be nice to get some adjustments to conditions before the next season, if not to all conditions at least mesmer because this class is where the condi type damage is currently being abused the most.

Engi is also dishing out too much condi pressure, but not many are using it so complaints are low therefore not problematic as mes. It also doesn’t have the sustainability of mes when using core condi engi spec.

Performing higher than it should given the amount of effort required?

…this is true for almost everything in the game since HoT was released. Hardly a reason to have something nerfed anymore. I’d say it requires as much effort as a bunch of zerker stuff I play. There’s very little demarcating condi and power specs these days, especially in PvP.

Rolisteel.1375:

Random unknown people that main a class that have boss like survivability because of good defenses + mobility + high damage all together always think their class are well balanced.

My main is a DH, my second a Ele and my third a Thief. Trust me Mesmer is definitely not OP. You should just know how to counter it. In the beginning I lost a lot from Mesmers, now I am in most cases a step ahead. Just make sure you don’t run too much and take it easy on the skill use in case you cannot clear their conditions.

I just started a mesmer. After using tombs to hit 80 and speccing/gearing it for dire Condi, I am still losing from most Druids, Thiefs and DHs. It will take some time to learn the class.

(ALMOST) all classes can be strong, you just need to know how to play them

I’ve played mesmer and guardian while im maining a nec. Survivability and ways to avoid ( eating all damage / getting killed ) feels like a boss after playing nec and also good burst damage.

I can tell you it’s day n’ night.

robertjan.2197:

Rolisteel.1375:

Random unknown people that main a class that have boss like survivability because of good defenses + mobility + high damage all together always think their class are well balanced.

My main is a DH, my second a Ele and my third a Thief. Trust me Mesmer is definitely not OP. You should just know how to counter it. In the beginning I lost a lot from Mesmers, now I am in most cases a step ahead. Just make sure you don’t run too much and take it easy on the skill use in case you cannot clear their conditions.

I just started a mesmer. After using tombs to hit 80 and speccing/gearing it for dire Condi, I am still losing from most Druids, Thiefs and DHs. It will take some time to learn the class.

(ALMOST) all classes can be strong, you just need to know how to play them

Do you care to duel a top tier Condi Mesmer to show us how to do it?

Ithilwen.1529:

Mesmer has been hit repeatedly. Most recently, Moa took yet another strong nerf. This is a learn to play issue, not a Mesmer problem.

Just make sure to remember when this when u complain about matchmaking or thiefs again alright?

Ithilwen.1529:

Mesmer has been hit repeatedly. Most recently, Moa took yet another strong nerf. This is a learn to play issue, not a Mesmer problem.

The ONLY reason you even suggest this is that you need over tuned professions in order to even play average.

It’s easy to look at the landscape of this game and objective identify professions/traits that are over tuned/over budget. Making the suggestions to fix them is wanting a healthy gaming environment.

Doge shatters = dead mesmer.

Can’t doge shatters = dead player.

And I mean the tells are pretty easy to see, and in some cases kite and cleave able.

The only thing that MIGHT need a tone down is how condi shatter has decent condi application on all 4 shatters, as opposed to power shatter’s 2. But then condi would be as bad as power shatter without CC or stealth.

While dodging into shatters is a nice option outside of possible cleave on clones and phants the superspeed clone/phant shatter buff makes that much more difficult.

Clone has roughly 2k hp, died in one hit, phantasm has 3k hp, died in two hits. Saying illusions have strong survival in current meta, where every AoE flies around without brain power, is silly. If mesmer decides to shatter as soon as he summons his illusions, then he becomes utterly predictable, and superspeed does little to address this flaw. In the end its all about knowing your opponent, just like facing all other classes.

I’m all in for nerfing condi mes in line with other meta specs since you’re restricted to play boring sides, with mesmers doing absolutely nothing in teamfights. But power mes need dramatic improvement on survival given how fast they die in current meta. And it just so happened that the only way to be effective in power mes is to significantly outplay opponents. So devs do need to consider that before they put mesmer out of PvP/WvW completely.

I don’t know if I’d call it OP, but personally as a Rifle Engi in pvp/wvw, I can’t fight a good condi mesmer. I just have to run away.

• Engi lacks condi cleanse. I cleanse 2 per 15-20s with Healing Turret
• Engi is particularly affected by confusion (uses many many skills between toolbelt and kit swapping – even Healing Turret is 2 skill activations to cleanse)
• Engi is particularly affected by torment – much of our defense is mobility.

However, if I catch a condi mesmer off-guard and get a cc + burst, then they stealth to escape instead of invuln, I can use detection pulse and occasionally get a kill while they weren’t expecting to be revealed.

If the fight goes long though, I have to run because the constant confusion + torment will overwhelm my pitiful condi cleanse.

On Necro, I don’t have a problem at all – just aoe down the clones, contest the point, transfer back the conditions.

Pyriall.1683:

robertjan.2197:

Rolisteel.1375:

Random unknown people that main a class that have boss like survivability because of good defenses + mobility + high damage all together always think their class are well balanced.

My main is a DH, my second a Ele and my third a Thief. Trust me Mesmer is definitely not OP. You should just know how to counter it. In the beginning I lost a lot from Mesmers, now I am in most cases a step ahead. Just make sure you don’t run too much and take it easy on the skill use in case you cannot clear their conditions.

I just started a mesmer. After using tombs to hit 80 and speccing/gearing it for dire Condi, I am still losing from most Druids, Thiefs and DHs. It will take some time to learn the class.

(ALMOST) all classes can be strong, you just need to know how to play them

Do you care to duel a top tier Condi Mesmer to show us how to do it?

That’s just a stupid comparison. I am not a top tier player and talking about the fact that as you learn to play your class, there are many classes who are able to win from Mesmer. Of course not every time, but at a normal “balanced” rate…I am pretty sure however that a top tier DH and Thief could easily finish a Mesmer without issues 6/10 times.

What skill level of mesmers you play against? You sounds like it so easy to kill mesmers on necro. So you are saying you beat Helseth and others? you aoe down clones transfer condi and dead Helseth. Sounds good on paper.

Rolisteel.1375:

What skill level of mesmers you play against? You sounds like it so easy to kill mesmers on necro. So you are saying you beat Helseth and others? you aoe down clones transfer condi and dead Helseth. Sounds good on paper.

…I don’t even play necro so can’t comment on this. And again, I am not a top tier player. I am doing a lot WvW and often am killing up to platinum versions of mesmers (both condi and power shatters). Again, I am not saing Mesmer is weak, not at all, but it’s also not as overpowered as some people shout out…

Btw Necro indeed took a big hit lately, however with a couple of well timed well and condi transfers it is still possible to wipe out Mesmer clones and kill the Mesmer itself. It is however, a lot harder than with DH and Thief Chars.

My condi/minion reaper build runs shouts like Rise! and Suffer! which work especially well against clones, as well as Necromantic Corruption for even more condi transfer. Add Staff 4 on top of that, and I’m not that worried about condi mes as a necro.

I’m not saying Necro is in a particularly good spot for pvp, just that it’s good vs condi mes.

Edit: Also, it’s not easy to kill them if they want to escape, but it is easy to contest the point and force them off long enough to cap it before pursuing them.

I can’t say if it is overpowered or not, but I have to run from the good ones or die trying. It’s annoying because they are also more mobile than Druid so… yeah, not sure.

This is the strongest I have seen them, ever.

Bad ones die easy, over and over again, but good ones seem over-tuned. Too many clones, not enough dodge and condition removal to mitigate.

robertjan.2197:

Pyriall.1683:

robertjan.2197:

Rolisteel.1375:

Random unknown people that main a class that have boss like survivability because of good defenses + mobility + high damage all together always think their class are well balanced.

My main is a DH, my second a Ele and my third a Thief. Trust me Mesmer is definitely not OP. You should just know how to counter it. In the beginning I lost a lot from Mesmers, now I am in most cases a step ahead. Just make sure you don’t run too much and take it easy on the skill use in case you cannot clear their conditions.

I just started a mesmer. After using tombs to hit 80 and speccing/gearing it for dire Condi, I am still losing from most Druids, Thiefs and DHs. It will take some time to learn the class.

(ALMOST) all classes can be strong, you just need to know how to play them

Do you care to duel a top tier Condi Mesmer to show us how to do it?

That’s just a stupid comparison. I am not a top tier player and talking about the fact that as you learn to play your class, there are many classes who are able to win from Mesmer. Of course not every time, but at a normal “balanced” rate…I am pretty sure however that a top tier DH and Thief could easily finish a Mesmer without issues 6/10 times.

Wait..wait…wait, you told people to trust you and explained how you are a step ahead of mesmers when vs’ing them. If all you’re doing is curb stomping lower tiered players; I don’t have value for much of what you say.

Honestly the only nerf chrono needs, condi especially is something done about its invulnerability. It shouldnt be there. Just create slightly more opportunities for the build to get hit, problem solved. This round about way of nerfing is just going to lead to an over nerf.

Pyriall.1683:

robertjan.2197:

Pyriall.1683:

robertjan.2197:

Rolisteel.1375:

Random unknown people that main a class that have boss like survivability because of good defenses + mobility + high damage all together always think their class are well balanced.

My main is a DH, my second a Ele and my third a Thief. Trust me Mesmer is definitely not OP. You should just know how to counter it. In the beginning I lost a lot from Mesmers, now I am in most cases a step ahead. Just make sure you don’t run too much and take it easy on the skill use in case you cannot clear their conditions.

I just started a mesmer. After using tombs to hit 80 and speccing/gearing it for dire Condi, I am still losing from most Druids, Thiefs and DHs. It will take some time to learn the class.

(ALMOST) all classes can be strong, you just need to know how to play them

Do you care to duel a top tier Condi Mesmer to show us how to do it?

That’s just a stupid comparison. I am not a top tier player and talking about the fact that as you learn to play your class, there are many classes who are able to win from Mesmer. Of course not every time, but at a normal “balanced” rate…I am pretty sure however that a top tier DH and Thief could easily finish a Mesmer without issues 6/10 times.

Wait..wait…wait, you told people to trust you and explained how you are a step ahead of mesmers when vs’ing them. If all you’re doing is curb stomping lower tiered players; I don’t have value for much of what you say.

I am talking about how I learned to play the mentioned classes in a way that I win most fights against “the average/normal” Mesmer players (again, I am not talking about top tier. Real top tier players would be able to beat me regardsless their own class). It’s a combi of knowijg your skills, knowing the opponent class (as the rotations are almost always the same) and most likely also a bit of luck ;-)

Key = bring condi clean and be very careful with spamming skills/running around if you don’t.

For DH, the most effective combi is running trapper incl trapper runes if you want. Use sword to teleport and place traps right under them. Even a dire condi Mes melts under the dps pressure.

Rolisteel.1375:

What skill level of mesmers you play against? You sounds like it so easy to kill mesmers on necro. So you are saying you beat Helseth and others? you aoe down clones transfer condi and dead Helseth. Sounds good on paper.

At the top tiers, Meta mesmer seems relatively balanced, in the sense that it’s right up there with a bunch of other really strong specs.

At the top tiers:
- From the proleague vids I’ve seen, mesmer effectively stalemates 1v1 against high level druids, scrappers, and eles. Has a hard matchup vs DH except on certain LOS-heavy points, but generally will lose cap.
- Mesmer is vulnerable to getting +1’d or focused because good players interrupt the shield 4.
- Mesmer’s contribution in teamfights pretty much revolves around moa, which requires coordination from the mesmer’s team to secure a kill (and coordination from the opponent’s team to defend). Outside of that, the DPS is low relative to other meta builds when those other builds are also played by good players.

- On the other hand, mesmer portal plays are potentially one of the most impactful skills in the game in the hands of a talented mesmer and a coordinated team. This opens the door to counterplay and strategic thinking from the other team, and overall expands the depth of the game.
- Mesmer is one of the few meta builds that effectively counters rev. (Although a good rev can keep point contested for a moderate amount of time if he just focuses on survival).

You’re worried about countering a rev? I have never encountered a revenant that didn’t melt while alone in PvP.

Mesmer does a good job at everything. Too good of a job at everything. Necromancer should be the one with the condi damage, while mesmer should be the one with the CC condis, but clearly that’s not the case.

robertjan.2197:

I agree with this. Sorry, but mesmer is at the bottum of the DPS chart and nerfed with every patch. If they reduce condi, there is just not much left when it comes to PVP or WvW…

These dps charts are long time tests like in the raid lobby against a few million hp. They do not at all represent the ability to actually spike enemies with your conditions which clearly is what mesmers are capable of. Average dps simply doesn’t matter in that case.

No they’re not OP
No they’re not too hard to learn
No they’re not good in extended teamfight and 1vs2 fights

Yes they’re extremely strong when played right, portal can carry games easily
Yes condi chronomancer is an undesirable match up
Yes you need very very strong cleave ( DH sort of cleave dmg) and unblockable interrupts to win against the good ones

Chessur.7326:

You’re worried about countering a rev? I have never encountered a revenant that didn’t melt while alone in PvP.

Mesmer does a good job at everything. Too good of a job at everything. Necromancer should be the one with the condi damage, while mesmer should be the one with the CC condis, but clearly that’s not the case.

You’re describing nearly every meta build, with the exception of necro and thief which trade versatility for being extremely good at their niche role.

Even Helseth can now win a duel time to time, this is clear proof that condi Mesmer is over the top. It’s surely the cheapest build across the field currently, no doubts about that.

robertjan.2197:

Pyriall.1683:

robertjan.2197:

Rolisteel.1375:

Random unknown people that main a class that have boss like survivability because of good defenses + mobility + high damage all together always think their class are well balanced.

My main is a DH, my second a Ele and my third a Thief. Trust me Mesmer is definitely not OP. You should just know how to counter it. In the beginning I lost a lot from Mesmers, now I am in most cases a step ahead. Just make sure you don’t run too much and take it easy on the skill use in case you cannot clear their conditions.

I just started a mesmer. After using tombs to hit 80 and speccing/gearing it for dire Condi, I am still losing from most Druids, Thiefs and DHs. It will take some time to learn the class.

(ALMOST) all classes can be strong, you just need to know how to play them

Do you care to duel a top tier Condi Mesmer to show us how to do it?

That’s just a stupid comparison. I am not a top tier player and talking about the fact that as you learn to play your class, there are many classes who are able to win from Mesmer. Of course not every time, but at a normal “balanced” rate…I am pretty sure however that a top tier DH and Thief could easily finish a Mesmer without issues 6/10 times.

Thieves totally win mesms 1v1 and mesms are only used for their 1v1 potential.

I mean in WvW it’s very strong because of dire/trailblazer stats but being forced to use carrion in PvP certainly makes them easier to take down.

The problem I have with most of the comments here is that while I do think condi mesmer is strong everything else a mesmer has is outclassed by many other classes. Power/burst mesmer is complete garbage, bunker mesmer was deleted from the game, healing mesmer is a hilarious idea as it’s linked to 2+s cast times for an easy counter.

If you nerf condi mesmer then they become what? A portal/moa bot? Drop out completely? When you take you should give back in some way but you can’t with mesmer as it’s a flawed concept from the beginning regarding their sustained damage.

Before the personal attacks come rolling in, I play full zerk shatter in WvW so don’t start with it.

tl;dr

As a DH I must say I didnt met many Chronos that actually were a problem. But I would like to see that GS shatter types getting more featured again and that Mantra of Distraction gets reworked since things like stability/stun breaks/blocks are too often available and that good old timing with MoD is barely working nowadays.

Ithilwen.1529:

I’m not a spreadsheet theorycrafter. I do know what I’ve seen in-game over the past 4 years+.

Well, that’s great but we’re discussing about nowadays’ state of condi mesmer.

Ithilwen.1529:

Mesmer is not currently dominant in PvP or PvE. If it were OP like an early trap DH, it would be flavor of the month. The fact that it’s not demonstrates that it’s not OP.

Bullkitten. Have a totally OP build that is really hard to play and it’ll never be FotM but it’ll still be OP. Condi mesmer is far from being easy to play, and that alone explains why we don’t see them stacked in our games.

The only thing that needs looking into is how easy the clones are landing.

Id personally prefer power shatter being meta but condi currently is

Condi mes loses to water engie and zerk dh. There are counters out there. This game becomes rock paper scissors.

I find it kitten that shattered clones still atack even tho their shatter atack was evaded. Very annoying for a thief.

Urejt.5648:

Condi mes loses to water engie and zerk dh. There are counters out there. This game becomes rock paper scissors.

I find it kitten that shattered clones still atack even tho their shatter atack was evaded. Very annoying for a thief.

Yes thats what I was talking about. Its,honestly a bug that needs to be fixed. I have used F2 to bait dodges to set up the mind wrack only to watch my shatters land anyways. It was then I realized what is the last thing needing changing.

Ithilwen.1529:

Mesmer has been hit repeatedly. Most recently, Moa took yet another strong nerf. This is a learn to play issue, not a Mesmer problem.

You just made a thread complaining about Thieves one shotting you…….

If condi chrono is OP…what about condi berseker?

Condi Chrono is not over powered. It can 1v1 and has good mobility, but cannot survive in sustained team fights.

It is hard countered by DH and at best stalemates with Engi and Druid.

Signet of Illusions and Signet of Humility both have a long cast and easily identifiable animation.

Moa is probably one of the easiest skills to avoid in PvP.

Also, you can dodge the phantasm generated by Shield 4.

Condi Chrono is an easy life class just like dh, warrior etc. if you are somewhat skilled you play necro full solo pvp.

LOL what is up with known bad mesmers telling others to learn to play -_- also the same person made a thread about trying to be nice and complaining about toxicity in pvp… i cant facepalm enough ingame and irl.

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

LOL what is up with known bad mesmers telling others to learn to play -_- also the same person made a thread about trying to be nice and complaining about toxicity in pvp… i cant facepalm enough ingame and irl.

Personal skill level not required in order to point out how Mesmers have been repeatedly nerfed and most recently SOH. Second, even if someone is a low skill level player, that in and of itself doesn’t necessarily mean that they cannot recognize bad play even while growing in both knowledge and skill. Third, pointing these things out doesn’t equate to vitriol especially where no disparaging commentary accompanied the post (overall context – there is a supreme amount irony in the above post to point to toxicity toward a poster in the manner this has been posted, imho). Finally, Mesmer has been nerfed repeatedly, conditions are not necessarily the problem and people should stop the carte blanche against conditions.

K, I’ll bite.

Learn when Mesmers are going to shatter or when they’ll CC, etc. Then dodge, block, immune or whatever.

If by some miracle you get fully bombed after learning how to avoid shatters (or if their teammates help them lock you down so they can bomb you), then stop using skills. Confusion does significantly more damage every time you use a skill, and it can even proc off a skills that unleash multiple attacks, like Unrelenting Assault. You’ll take a lot of torment damage still because you’ll still need to move, and it’s one reason why I think torment duration needs a strong nerf across the board (with compensation buffs for condi Rev). Most Mesmers run Carrion Amulet though so torment won’t last too long, and confusion will only last a few seconds at most.

If you’re having trouble spotting the real Mesmer, then the profession is working the way it’s supposed to, and you need to learn how to spot the real one. Once you’ve learned how to avoid shatters, Mesmers will appear a lot less powerful.

this was a fun read….. As someone who mained mesmer from launch until last season… Condi Chrono is not OP. Its at the highest point of balance but it shares that spot with a lot of other classes. Condi mesmer has a low skill requirement but a high cap. The result is it stomps in low tier matches. They function on CD reliant defenses. Learn to count CDs and 90% of them are easy kills. Learn what skills to save interrupts for, learn to ration your own CDs. Also side note… MM necro is an awful spec for PVP and a single moa kills all your pets… MM necro is hard countered my Mesmers of any kind. Pro tip…. interrupt their signet….Its cast time is stupidly long…

I will have a biased opinion on this because I can’t speak from the perspective of classes other than Druid, but here’s what I think:

Mesmer is not OP at all when it comes to how it performs in teamfights and 1v1s because, like condi warrior or staff theif, Mesmer is one of the classes that tests your ability to dodge. If you have slow reactions and can’t dodge, you will get wrecked but if you know animations and what to dodge, it’s a won 1v1. How all classes should be in my opinion. Dodge the shatters of the Mesmer and especially the moa and you win. If you can’t dodge these with a very high level of consistency, then sorry to say, but you deserve to lose. That is what I always told myself when trying to improve and it applies to everyone else as well. Of course if you play something like necro with limited dodges, this will be hard but like I said, I can only speak from my own experience.

What Mesmer does that keeps it in the meta over other classes is the ability to portal. There is no counter to this when facing on organised team other that run another Mesmer. No other class can teleport and entire team across a map instantly like Mesmer. THAT is what makes it good, but again, not enough to make it OP because it does not over perform in other areas.

suffish.4150:

I will have a biased opinion on this because I can’t speak from the perspective of classes other than Druid, but here’s what I think:

Mesmer is not OP at all when it comes to how it performs in teamfights and 1v1s because, like condi warrior or staff theif, Mesmer is one of the classes that tests your ability to dodge. If you have slow reactions and can’t dodge, you will get wrecked but if you know animations and what to dodge, it’s a won 1v1. How all classes should be in my opinion. Dodge the shatters of the Mesmer and especially the moa and you win. If you can’t dodge these with a very high level of consistency, then sorry to say, but you deserve to lose. That is what I always told myself when trying to improve and it applies to everyone else as well. Of course if you play something like necro with limited dodges, this will be hard but like I said, I can only speak from my own experience.

What Mesmer does that keeps it in the meta over other classes is the ability to portal. There is no counter to this when facing on organised team other that run another Mesmer. No other class can teleport and entire team across a map instantly like Mesmer. THAT is what makes it good, but again, not enough to make it OP because it does not over perform in other areas.

in regards to moa. my warrior brings his mace above his head in a slow animation easy to dodge. moa is basically a insta death and animation is a little purple ball at their hands like literally everything else they do. dodging moa isnt skill. its pure luck.

sophiewhite.3149:

moa is basically a insta death and animation is a little purple ball at their hands like literally everything else they do.

1s cast time, signet over mesmer head, purple glow over the body (purple = elite skill), specific sound, cont split appearance, etc.

sophiewhite.3149:

dodging moa isnt skill. its pure luck.

:)

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