Guild Wars 2

In less than a week, I promise you’ll all be seeing around 4 condi warriors in each game because the balance team doesn’t know the meaning of moderation when it comes to buffing or nerfing classes.

You heard it here first folks!

Warrior is the new necro. It’s nice I can play my warrior again, I missed him last season.

Condi warrior are only OP when you don’t know how to handle them.

They are easy to kite. They have almost no disengage.

When they leap at you dodge (they will use elite)

Save a stun break. Save condi clear.

Kite invulns/zerks.

Out rotate.

Seriously they are super slow. And have a very tiny range. They are the definition of bruiser. Don’t trade blows with them. Even a full melee rev can out kite with prec strike. I don’t think there is a class that can’t kite them (thief = hit and run like normal)

Very easy to kite,,,they’re like 90% mele, they can’t build adrenaline effectively without headbutt, range and kill…zzzz

Mightybird.6034:

Condi warrior are only OP when you don’t know how to handle them.

They are easy to kite. They have almost no disengage.

When they leap at you dodge (they will use elite)

Save a stun break. Save condi clear.

Kite invulns/zerks.

Out rotate.

Seriously they are super slow. And have a very tiny range. They are the definition of bruiser. Don’t trade blows with them. Even a full melee rev can out kite with prec strike. I don’t think there is a class that can’t kite them (thief = hit and run like normal)

Almost true. But some people are dumb and will try and face tank you. If you are a smart warrior you only attack those who come close and don’t run after people.

People are still used to the ez kill warriors of last season and think they can just ignore or trade blows. Big mistake.

Mightybird.6034:

Condi warrior are only OP when you don’t know how to handle them.

They are easy to kite. They have almost no disengage.

When they leap at you dodge (they will use elite)

Save a stun break. Save condi clear.

Kite invulns/zerks.

Out rotate.

Seriously they are super slow. And have a very tiny range. They are the definition of bruiser. Don’t trade blows with them. Even a full melee rev can out kite with prec strike. I don’t think there is a class that can’t kite them (thief = hit and run like normal)

You see, that’s what they said about Reapers last few seasons and they were still being stacked 2 on each team. Condi warriors are going to be the new Reapers and DH. Just saying it now.

Vicky.4563:

You see, that’s what they said about Reapers last few seasons and they were still being stacked 2 on each team. Condi warriors are going to be the new Reapers and DH. Just saying it now.

That’s what they said about GS reapers? And look at how lol they are.

No one ever said you could kite the (old) meta reaper build. They are two totally different animals. (old) Meta reapers could AoE everyone with constant chill dmg. They were like condi warriors if they were ranged and also did tons of chill. That is a huge difference.

(old) Meta reaper you needed to focus down quickly and there wasn’t anything they could do. Nor did you really have a choice on who to focus.

As opposed to condi warrior, you don’t really need to focus per se, just don’t stand near one. They are short range single target (compared to old reaper)

PS dont CC them. It gives them toughness and healing. But soft cc/cripple and chill = really effective

I heard there is a bug with Scorched Earth + Cleansing Ire, Currently it removes 6 condis instead of 3.

Anet should fix this asap.

philheat.3956:

I heard there is a bug with Scorched Earth + Cleansing Ire, Currently it removes 6 condis instead of 3.

Anet should fix this asap.

Agreed. Change this and you’ll see condi wars much more in line with where they should be.

Jesus guys, stop bringing those kind of arguments:

“People are just used to warrior being a freekill blablablub”

warrior running the condition-build got pushed onto the same lvl of powercreep you all have been complaining about. So pls stop and face the truth.

I main warrior myself and there is nothing healthy or good for the game in this warr build – it’s as powercreeped as reaper/scrapper etc. was.

Ah, so that’s the reason why I was dying so fast on my Revenant, also those nerfs sucks, I can’t escape if I get in a bad situation, and after seeing Thief buffs I’ll probably switch back to it.

I don’t think I’ve ever defended a class so much that I don’t play.

But dominik its true. So many people are coming back after being gone and expect something different from war. They are surprised. There have been many posts about it. I was surprised at first. Its a fact not a delusion.

Also the majority of the powercreep appears to be here to stay and is another topic altogether. In the current meta warrior seems plenty balanced.

Amineo, I switched back to thief (from rev) and am loving it.

Well, yes but bugs are bugs and need to be fixed.

There is no too much to argue about.

Phil.8901:

Well, yes but bugs are bugs and need to be fixed.

There is no too much to argue about.

Oh I didn’t mean to argue for that. Obviously bugs should be fixed. Mostly arguing that their dmg is fine because its so limited and counterable. If nerfs are needed it’d prob be to defense. So they are more glassy.

Mightybird.6034:

Phil.8901:

Well, yes but bugs are bugs and need to be fixed.

There is no too much to argue about.

Oh I didn’t mean to argue for that. Obviously bugs should be fixed. Mostly arguing that their dmg is fine because its so limited and counterable. If nerfs are needed it’d prob be to defense. So they are more glassy.

I think the condi pressure is really high but there is a disengage weakness with longbow + mace/shield .

So pretty strong charatcter in fight with very good sustain/damage but not really hard to focus.

Ofc the fact now you can remove 6 condis super fast is a big advantage in a condi meta and needs to be fixed.

Mightybird.6034:

Phil.8901:

Well, yes but bugs are bugs and need to be fixed.

There is no too much to argue about.

Oh I didn’t mean to argue for that. Obviously bugs should be fixed. Mostly arguing that their dmg is fine because its so limited and counterable. If nerfs are needed it’d prob be to defense. So they are more glassy.

Yeah. Like that oh so skillful PASSIVE invuln skill that pops in at 50% health just from taking damage.

25% was bad enough, but making it at 50% was just kittened.

Vicky.4563:

Yeah. Like that oh so skillful PASSIVE invuln skill that pops in at 50% health just from taking damage..

Because the “ACTIVE” skills which are either auto aimed or require no meaningful aim, that have zero or no meaningful resource management, and that often do a whole host of things with one press, are so skillful in this game, I mean when I play thief and interrupt someone with my 1200 ranged instant daze, steal their boons, give myself boons, do damage, heal myself, etc from that one highly skilled button press it is on a level with with the gameplay from whatever Korean is currently top in SC2. /sarcasm

dealing with condi warrior- any berzerker, even- is pretty much exclusively just managing the headbutts properly, keep a mental note of their headbutt CD and range them while their headbutt is available

Mightybird.6034:

PS dont CC them. It gives them toughness and healing. But soft cc/cripple and chill = really effective

With the buff to Adrenal Health, as well as all the conditions lurking around, it’s probable that most warriors now prefer Cleansing Ire to Rousing Resilience. Heavy CC might not be a bad option: few stun breakers (Endure Pain, Headbutt, possibly Savage Instinct), and no stability outside of Berserker mode (Eternal Champion).

Kite them as needed, have them use their two stances, beware the hard CC (mace, shield, headbutt) and the berserker mode (for the mace burst).

Elegie.3620:

Mightybird.6034:

PS dont CC them. It gives them toughness and healing. But soft cc/cripple and chill = really effective

With the buff to Adrenal Health, as well as all the conditions lurking around, it’s probable that most warriors now prefer Cleansing Ire to Rousing Resilience. Heavy CC might not be a bad option: few stun breakers (Endure Pain, Headbutt, possibly Savage Instinct), and no stability outside of Berserker mode (Eternal Champion).

Kite them as needed, have them use their two stances, beware the hard CC (mace, shield, headbutt) and the berserker mode (for the mace burst).

I doubt anyone is going to be taking Rousing Resilience. Cleansing Ire is just too good.

Mhm this is true I now realize. Like I said, i don’t actually play war.

How do you expect a melee centric class to kite a warrior when they regenerate health at insane rates and your only source of damage is to get infront of the warrior, whom will spam burns.

Yeah I guess warrior isn’t broken if you’re ranged.

As a necro Main, I am glad to see them back and I don’t mind if people are excited and play them alot. Good for them.

Chase.8415:

How do you expect a melee centric class to kite a warrior when they regenerate health at insane rates and your only source of damage is to get infront of the warrior, whom will spam burns.

Yeah I guess warrior isn’t broken if you’re ranged.

I’ve 1v1’d condi wars as both thief and rev. Only one I don’t know is engi? Can any scrappers speak up?

But if that is one hard counter, hardly makes it OP. Most classes hard counter at least one build. I would think scrapper could 1v1 a bow build, but maybe not the full melee wars.

Spartacus.3192:

Elegie.3620:

Mightybird.6034:

PS dont CC them. It gives them toughness and healing. But soft cc/cripple and chill = really effective

With the buff to Adrenal Health, as well as all the conditions lurking around, it’s probable that most warriors now prefer Cleansing Ire to Rousing Resilience. Heavy CC might not be a bad option: few stun breakers (Endure Pain, Headbutt, possibly Savage Instinct), and no stability outside of Berserker mode (Eternal Champion).

Kite them as needed, have them use their two stances, beware the hard CC (mace, shield, headbutt) and the berserker mode (for the mace burst).

I doubt anyone is going to be taking Rousing Resilience. Cleansing Ire is just too good.

CI is only good with longbow, actually I’d say very useful with longbow, for everything else you’re better off with RR

Vicky.4563:

In less than a week, I promise you’ll all be seeing around 4 condi warriors in each game because the balance team doesn’t know the meaning of moderation when it comes to buffing or nerfing classes.

You heard it here first folks!

I’ve been running condi warrior forever, I played one exclusively in s2. And guess what? People would rage when I was on my warrior, ask me to switch or quit the game. Because I didn’t do damage according to them.

Now everyone is complaining condi warrior is op. What has changed? Nothing but adrenal health. Get some balls, learn to play, get good or whatever. But most importantly, strategize. Condi warrior isn’t god like, it has a weakness. Find it.

Rolls eyes oh no! they made something not trash tier and actually usable!!! end of the world!!! you won’t see 4 per game….stop exaggerating

Spartacus.3192:

Elegie.3620:

Mightybird.6034:

PS dont CC them. It gives them toughness and healing. But soft cc/cripple and chill = really effective

With the buff to Adrenal Health, as well as all the conditions lurking around, it’s probable that most warriors now prefer Cleansing Ire to Rousing Resilience. Heavy CC might not be a bad option: few stun breakers (Endure Pain, Headbutt, possibly Savage Instinct), and no stability outside of Berserker mode (Eternal Champion).

Kite them as needed, have them use their two stances, beware the hard CC (mace, shield, headbutt) and the berserker mode (for the mace burst).

I doubt anyone is going to be taking Rousing Resilience. Cleansing Ire is just too good.

Nope, the best condi warr use RR. So, he is basically a tank and does condi dmg on top of that. Just image someone with outrage (10 sec( + RR (2.5k hp and 1000 toughness every 8 sec). So, you can go full viper with any condi build without hurting your defense.

Supreme.3164:

Spartacus.3192:

Elegie.3620:

Mightybird.6034:

PS dont CC them. It gives them toughness and healing. But soft cc/cripple and chill = really effective

With the buff to Adrenal Health, as well as all the conditions lurking around, it’s probable that most warriors now prefer Cleansing Ire to Rousing Resilience. Heavy CC might not be a bad option: few stun breakers (Endure Pain, Headbutt, possibly Savage Instinct), and no stability outside of Berserker mode (Eternal Champion).

Kite them as needed, have them use their two stances, beware the hard CC (mace, shield, headbutt) and the berserker mode (for the mace burst).

I doubt anyone is going to be taking Rousing Resilience. Cleansing Ire is just too good.

CI is only good with longbow, actually I’d say very useful with longbow, for everything else you’re better off with RR

Sorry thats what i meant. The current (assumed) meta for warrior is Condi Longbow mace/shield build and for that Cleansing Ire is the clear winner.

For power war i would agree its not such a clear winner but still IMO the better choice than Rousing Resilience.

dominik.9721:

Jesus guys, stop bringing those kind of arguments:

“People are just used to warrior being a freekill blablablub”

warrior running the condition-build got pushed onto the same lvl of powercreep you all have been complaining about. So pls stop and face the truth.

I main warrior myself and there is nothing healthy or good for the game in this warr build – it’s as powercreeped as reaper/scrapper etc. was.

^This. The performance level of condi warr is way beyond what is needed “to not be a free kill anymore”. I still run vanilla axe/shield and I could say that “Its not a free kill anymore” (although it never really was a free kill, just extremely frustrating to succeed with because to do competitive damage you need berserker/marauder ammy but even then once your stances are out you’re squish as hell), but in no way is condi warr on the level where its barely “Not a free kill”, its on a ridiculous level of faceroll and needs a hard nerf to condi output on sword and mace primal bursts mainly.

Also:

I mean when I play thief and interrupt someone with my 1200 ranged instant daze, steal their boons, give myself boons, do damage, heal myself, etc from that one highly skilled button press it is on a level with with the gameplay from whatever Korean is currently top in SC2

Thx for massive lols

Fivedawgs.4267:

Spartacus.3192:

Elegie.3620:

Mightybird.6034:

PS dont CC them. It gives them toughness and healing. But soft cc/cripple and chill = really effective

With the buff to Adrenal Health, as well as all the conditions lurking around, it’s probable that most warriors now prefer Cleansing Ire to Rousing Resilience. Heavy CC might not be a bad option: few stun breakers (Endure Pain, Headbutt, possibly Savage Instinct), and no stability outside of Berserker mode (Eternal Champion).

Kite them as needed, have them use their two stances, beware the hard CC (mace, shield, headbutt) and the berserker mode (for the mace burst).

I doubt anyone is going to be taking Rousing Resilience. Cleansing Ire is just too good.

Nope, the best condi warr use RR. So, he is basically a tank and does condi dmg on top of that. Just image someone with outrage (10 sec( + RR (2.5k hp and 1000 toughness every 8 sec). So, you can go full viper with any condi build without hurting your defense.

1000 toughness is nothing. Damage is so high because of the power creep, that toughness doesn’t matter much. Also its kind of hard to measure the effectiveness of RR, since it only works while being stunned.

Chase.8415:

How do you expect a melee centric class to kite a warrior when they regenerate health at insane rates and your only source of damage is to get infront of the warrior, whom will spam burns.

Yeah I guess warrior isn’t broken if you’re ranged.

you have an alternate weapon set, or you have kits, don’t pretend you don’t have options
unless you’re an ele
sorry eles

Sarrs.4831:

Chase.8415:

How do you expect a melee centric class to kite a warrior when they regenerate health at insane rates and your only source of damage is to get infront of the warrior, whom will spam burns.

Yeah I guess warrior isn’t broken if you’re ranged.

you have an alternate weapon set, or you have kits, don’t pretend you don’t have options
unless you’re an ele
sorry eles

Pretty sure eles out cleanse condi war 1v1 and its a stalemate. Correct me if im wrong.

yay six months of playing warrior while its kitten. now i get to enjoy a good class. oh wait nvm i quit.

Condi warrior is actually ruining the game more than even dhumfire necro did.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Spartacus.3192:

Elegie.3620:

Mightybird.6034:

PS dont CC them. It gives them toughness and healing. But soft cc/cripple and chill = really effective

With the buff to Adrenal Health, as well as all the conditions lurking around, it’s probable that most warriors now prefer Cleansing Ire to Rousing Resilience. Heavy CC might not be a bad option: few stun breakers (Endure Pain, Headbutt, possibly Savage Instinct), and no stability outside of Berserker mode (Eternal Champion).

Kite them as needed, have them use their two stances, beware the hard CC (mace, shield, headbutt) and the berserker mode (for the mace burst).

I doubt anyone is going to be taking Rousing Resilience. Cleansing Ire is just too good.

Nope, the best condi warr use RR. So, he is basically a tank and does condi dmg on top of that. Just image someone with outrage (10 sec( + RR (2.5k hp and 1000 toughness every 8 sec). So, you can go full viper with any condi build without hurting your defense.

Sure and leave yourself with no condi clear….oookk.

And no, brawlers recovery won’t save you with all these condis flying around.

The meta build is and will be with CI. (longbow)

actually I think warrior is balanced in this meta, rev got some nerf bring them down to earth same to mesmer but still stong on the other hand ele is out of hand

Mightybird.6034:

Chase.8415:

How do you expect a melee centric class to kite a warrior when they regenerate health at insane rates and your only source of damage is to get infront of the warrior, whom will spam burns.

Yeah I guess warrior isn’t broken if you’re ranged.

I’ve 1v1’d condi wars as both thief and rev. Only one I don’t know is engi? Can any scrappers speak up?

But if that is one hard counter, hardly makes it OP. Most classes hard counter at least one build. I would think scrapper could 1v1 a bow build, but maybe not the full melee wars.

No you’re just facing bad warriors. Here’s feed back from one of the top players who is in the legendary leagues.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4jxmrv/pvp_class_tier_list_5172016/d3afpg4

“We’ve been trying to decide what to do with our Warrior. If you watch our match from Monday where we lost to PZ, using it as a far point monkey was incredibly effective. Nothing can kill it 1v1, you can easily plus one it with a Thief or Revenant if they try to put an Elementalist or Engineer against it.”

What is funny is that most classes can apply more presssure with condies than the necro.
Yes necro apply long condi but its all about spike because of the sustain some classes have.
I think warriors apply too much pressure with condies and can have resistance for very long time. I think anet needs to nerf less and buff less .

I’m not exactly sure why it’s ok for tanks to be able to randomly 1 shot you anytime they want. Shouldn’t being a tank mean you don’t do damage?

The one to Rule.2593:

Rolls eyes oh no! they made something not trash tier and actually usable!!! end of the world!!! you won’t see 4 per game….stop exaggerating

Yeah we will, wanna bet on it? Assuming Anet does nothing, in a week you’ll be seeing them everywhere. Everyone has a warrior and knows how to use it to some extent.

L2P

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Everyone in the kitten game has condi cleanses and the ability to kite. Just don’t get hit and don’t be stupid enough to walk into his fire AOEs and don’t hit him when he has his signet up … People cry over how broken a class is but never bothered with pvp …. This is quite sad …

I just think it’s funny since a warrior(s) are actually known gamewide, in nearly every game I know at least, as pure DD’s with raw physical power and all that stuff while still remaining somewhat tough thanks to the heavy armor, yet in GW2, Anet decided instead of toning down the overall condi output and / or damage to bring actual DPS a little more back into the game to balance it out with condi players, they decided nope, warrior is now also a condi class.

blackysharky.7581:

I just think it’s funny since a warrior(s) are actually known gamewide, in nearly every game I know at least, as pure DD’s with raw physical power and all that stuff while still remaining somewhat tough thanks to the heavy armor, yet in GW2, Anet decided instead of toning down the overall condi output and / or damage to bring actual DPS a little more back into the game to balance it out with condi players, they decided nope, warrior is now also a condi class.

Previous seasons warriors were just free kills for everyone.

I don’t play warrior myself but i think warrior is fair now and requires “more skill” to kill it.

People are always offended when they have to raise their skill cap.

blackysharky.7581 it makes people look clever, i guess.

Burtnik.5218:

People will be surprised af once they see warrior in the “meta” used by “pros” bc they cant think nor make build on their own.. Tier 3.. haha ok.

See ya soon calling on nerfs to war.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Tier-list-for-now/first#post6119494

Who was right?

They’re not even hard to deal with IF you’re willing to dodge their burst.