Guild Wars 2

It feels like we’ve got this “burst or be bursted” mentality. I’d say about 80% of the builds I queued into tonight were ‘assassins’ with high burst + mobility or stealth (mesmer, theif, medi guard), the remaining 20% were cele builds (ele, engi, warrior) with access to high hybrid burst via stacked burning + direct dmg skills. I tried condition/power variants on most of the classes and the power builds almost always felt noticeably stronger. Mesmer is probably the fastest class right now, with thief and medi guard close behind, then the cele builds are just there due to the fact that burning is completely broken (if you have 3 of them in a team fight you just win). Has anyone found a decent condi build that can keep up? The best I could come up with was condi mesmer, and it still preformed worse than shatter and interrupt. And I’m talking rabid or carrion amulet builds, cele does not = a pure condi build.

yeah ranger condi builds are pretty tanky and dish out a ton of damage.

There are 0 condi builds with enough defence to keep up to the current burst builds people are running, even defensive builds looks like paper compared to a coordinated spike. Rangers are a bad example of this as they are free targets after cooldowns (like warriors zerk stance).

I should add this edit, that maybe a condi guard can get away with it (at the minimalist level a warrior)

yea, condi ranger is rediculous atm, however, they can be easily ooc.

Spirit rangers are very good if you know how to play.

im very curious about spirits. haven’t tested them yet.

i disagree. I’ve been playing ranked condition shatter, and 90% of the time winning, and very comfortably at that. And this is playing against ESL players, not hotjoiners.

However, its because condition shatter is totally different to the other condition builds out there, which rely on stacking and sustain.

The beauty of condition shatter right now is the ability to stack on avrage 15+ confusion and 15-20 torment in a matter of seconds. Now this kind of condi bombing is on par with the power burst, honestly. I can literally 100%-0 in 5 seconds if i get the stacks up. Torment ticks for 4k+ alone, with 15-20 stacks.

I kill npcs faster than power.

So, please do NOT nerf MtD or torment in general ANET. It’s early days but i firmly believe condition shatter will have a place in this meta purely because it goes against the concept of other condi builds (being bunkerish, sustain, cc, covering condis with bait ones etc).

Condition shatter; you can, stack 2x torment, 2x confusion, blind, stun/daze, boon strip, slow, increase cd on interrupted skills with ONE shatter…..craaazzzzzy.

Also the Gm scepter trait is sick (Malicious Sorcery) , <3 anet for it. 15% inc speed on scepter skills, so it no longer feels lik a slow sluggish weapon now. Also, the 20% reduction making scepter block +5 torment stacks on a 6 ’ SIX!!!!’ second cd….so good.

I’m gonna keep theory crafting but the only hard counter i can see right now are diamond skin eles and thats only in a 1v1 situation. Everything else, assuming you have a good skill level with shatter (including thieves :p) simply cannot handle the condi spikes.

I’m even getting hate w/ because they think im PU (im not) or people generally saying “omg is this the new mesmers now, its aids” etc etc.

For anyone interested, this is the build im using: If you know how to play shatter or pre patch condi shatter….have fun!

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-R3lZ;1VPVz047cVF71;9;4STW;0038138258;4V3X6U;1j2;42y

Liam McColgan.7689:

i disagree. I’ve been playing ranked condition shatter, and 90% of the time winning, and very comfortably at that. And this is playing against ESL players, not hotjoiners.

However, its because condition shatter is totally different to the other condition builds out there, which rely on stacking and sustain.

The beauty of condition shatter right now is the ability to stack on avrage 15+ confusion and 15-20 torment in a matter of seconds. Now this kind of condi bombing is on par with the power burst, honestly. I can literally 100%-0 in 5 seconds if i get the stacks up. Torment ticks for 4k+ alone, with 15-20 stacks.

I kill npcs faster than power.

So, please do NOT nerf MtD or torment in general ANET. It’s early days but i firmly believe condition shatter will have a place in this meta purely because it goes against the concept of other condi builds (being bunkerish, sustain, cc, covering condis with bait ones etc).

Condition shatter; you can, stack 2x torment, 2x confusion, blind, stun/daze, boon strip, slow, increase cd on interrupted skills with ONE shatter…..craaazzzzzy.

Also the Gm scepter trait is sick (Malicious Sorcery) , <3 anet for it. 15% inc speed on scepter skills, so it no longer feels lik a slow sluggish weapon now. Also, the 20% reduction making scepter block +5 torment stacks on a 6 ’ SIX!!!!’ second cd….so good.

I’m gonna keep theory crafting but the only hard counter i can see right now are diamond skin eles and thats only in a 1v1 situation. Everything else, assuming you have a good skill level with shatter (including thieves :p) simply cannot handle the condi spikes.

I’m even getting hate w/ because they think im PU (im not) or people generally saying “omg is this the new mesmers now, its aids” etc etc.

For anyone interested, this is the build im using: If you know how to play shatter or pre patch condi shatter….have fun!

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-R3lZ;1VPVz047cVF71;9;4STW;0038138258;4V3X6U;1j2;42y

Yeah I was running something similar, but took chaos over domination. How are you liking the new vuln? I ran into the same wall with diamond skin eles a few hours after patch and went back to shatter. Luckily, it looks like less and less of them are taking diamond skin now.

Choas is good if you want defense, a buffed staff/ choas armor for example, but im going all out offense because im pro…and tbh…in a ranked/tourney setting, boon stripping is TOO GOOD to not have.

yeh 1v1 diamond totally counters if you are rabid, you dont have the dmg to get them under 90% to be able to rek them. But then again, unless you are 1v1, they wont be at >90% for too long. Even as power you shouldnt really be 1v1ing an ele anyway so its only really countered in 1v1 servers :P

I’m just totally gutted they have nerfed MtD already. People saying its because power builds were using it and its too op, but cmon, Make something other than power shatter viable for mesmers.

Anet dont even understand the concept of their own build. Condi shatter is about spike/burst shatter dmg. If i didnt think shattering as condition build would be good dmg , i would go phantasm and let them freecast like a passive noob.

Finally when a condition build looks strong for mesmers in tpvp, they nerf it less than 20 hours of it being live.

Yet rangers and engis are still allowed to spam 15+ stacks of bleed/burn.

I play Guardian with a Carrion build and I can deal 2-3k of burn damage /sec, with good direct damage (with 50% passive/active critical rate).
It’s not the best build atm, but it’s very good.