Guild Wars 2

That’s right, if Guild Wars 2 wishes to balance the usefulness of conditions vs. power, conditions must be made more powerful.

But to counter act this, conditions must be rarer, cannot be applied by spamming and ideally skills not carry more than 2 conditions on them.

Condition removal should also be a rarity, traits, utilities and skills should carry so much denial.

Lastly conditions need a bigger role than raw damage and actually require thought even if you are not specced into it.

I posted this before but I cannot stress enough that conditions can have a place in Guild Wars 2 balance. Just the path they are taking is currently “add more conditions, then add more condition removal” and it goes no where.

Conditions currently have a dim future ahead of them, a constant battle of adding and removing.

Are conditions good where they are and only need proper balancing or should they add depth to them?

No. This would allow people to do equivalent damage of power specs with 2 stats, condition damage and condition duration. And condi duration is not even that important when you can mindlessly reapply conditions.

Power specs require power prec crit damage. The imbalance is obvious to see.

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Amitabh Bachan.4385:

Power specs require power prec crit damage. The imbalance is obvious to see.

And condition specs need Power + Crit + Condition for max damage (axe main hand necro ):P

Condition and Crit bonus works as armor penetration

Uh yeah no, being a power necro that uses axe mainhand… you are not a condispec if that is your primary damagetool, you dont need power at all, crit yeah the procs on crit are a nice added dps, but even then if though/vit/cond ever saw the light in tpvp no condispec would ever use anything else.

I like the idea but, it would require the whole game to be changed. And I can tell you right that that isn’t going to happen. I do like the idea of the change to torment though.

Renquist.9530:

Uh yeah no, being a power necro that uses axe mainhand… you are not a condispec if that is your primary damagetool, you dont need power at all, crit yeah the procs on crit are a nice added dps, but even then if though/vit/cond ever saw the light in tpvp no condispec would ever use anything else.

Axe main hand + Signet of Spite + Dumm + Rampager amulet + Berseker gem + Superior Sigil of Battle = Condition spec with huge amount of physical dps
I usee those 3 last in my Eng , from octomber/2012

So even Necros to match up the dps of meeles , they need all these too .
Just because they cant survive , they are force to have reduced dps by equiping toughness .
Conitions + Crit bonus = Toughness penetration

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Renquist.9530:

Uh yeah no, being a power necro that uses axe mainhand… you are not a condispec if that is your primary damagetool, you dont need power at all, crit yeah the procs on crit are a nice added dps, but even then if though/vit/cond ever saw the light in tpvp no condispec would ever use anything else.

Axe main hand + Signet of Spite + Dumm + Rampager amulet + Berseker gem + Superior Sigil of Battle = Condition spec with huge amount of physical dps
I usee those 3 last in my Eng , from octomber/2012

So even Necros to match up the dps of meeles , they need all these too .
Just because they cant survive , they are force to have reduced dps by equiping toughness .
Conitions + Crit bonus = Toughness penetration

I know this is seriously off topic… but what?
Axe has no condition application exept vurn/ spite has a 60 sec cd,… yeah Dumbfire..whatever really.

Huge phys damage with that setup… again no.

oh… and uh Conditions ignore thougness anyways… so yeah there is that aswell.

The purpose of this message is that Condtion specs to achiv HUGE dps , they are forced to sucrifice their survibility too for max dps
Just because they cant survive , they are force to a more defensive amulets

So power specs , like most ppl think , dont need Crit bonus for their standard rotation , but instead they can try the Barbarian Amulet (cri-power-vitality) for some balanced spec like the current Toughtness Necros

But instead Crit bonus is used for Toughness Penetration like Conditions

(in the next balance patch , we , as community will buff up things again rather than nerf our beloved specs ? :P)

See, this is just not true, Max condition damage can be aquired( in tpvp that is) by going full CondDamage/Precision/thougness ,drop a sigil of earth for some more burst.
Also you can get almost 100% bleeduptime with only runes/traits…
Condspam is too easy and has no drawbacks, keep in mind we are talking about a class that has the highest base hp in game already and has the possibility to bunker himself up without sacreficing anything.

To the Op i like most of your suggestion, however having Conditions work scalingwise to the opponents hp would be a very difficult thing to balance, especially considering the difference in base hp’s, not to mention funny traits that increase damage once someone reaches x%hp.

Edit: Necor’s are perfectly able to survive on zerker amulets… if your not then the fault does not lie with the class.
Saying that people use critdamge to counter thougness, is just not the case… apart from condispammers/bunkers, 80% of everyone you will ever meet in pvp is running zerker… there is a reason for that.

Renquist.9530:

Saying that people use critdamge to counter thougness, is just not the case
…
there is a reason for that

Ppl where always used zerger , expeted from the others to use defensive stats .
Now that the others have toughtness , they refuse to try to make a balance specs .

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Renquist.9530:

Saying that people use critdamge to counter thougness, is just not the case
…
there is a reason for that

Ppl where always used zerger , expeted from the others to use defensive stats .
Now that the others have toughtness , they refuse to try to make a balance specs .

You are missing the point… people use zerker to get the maximum amount of dps/bunkers sac all that dps for max defence.
Condi specs,… get MAX defence and MAX dps. this here is the problem.
Yes condispec’s have issues, they dont hit as hard as powerspecs/condi’s can be cleansed, however they completely counter bunkers AND glass cannons.

Jack of all trades is good if and only if they do not perform aswell as the specialized ones do… at this time condi has too much to easy.

Its not easy man !
I have broken a keyboard and mouse , by those rotations !

What about nerfing poison and burn by 2/3 of its damage and let a cond team having multiply aplications of burn + posion + bleep ? (x5 poison + x5 brun + 50x bleeds per target ) ? :P
3 full bars or condtions :P

Well, and I was thinking that conditions were too strong. Necro applies some interesting amounts of bleeding and poison, then fill your condition bar with weakness and cripple so you can’t remove the damage dealing ones
And thief died

Dunno how you came to the point where condis are weak. Condis atm are way too powerful, even on power specs players deal good amount of condi dmg (some even done unintentionally)

Best example is to try out youself to spam on necro with scepter #1 .You apply: Bleed stacks,poison AND burning… this only will take out ~25% HP if not cleansed.
With the current paste of the game the least thing we need now is increased default condi dmg.

Offtopic, necro’s problem on powerbuild is the weapon IMO. If you can have axe as off-hand,staff is not an option for main weapon set. Yes,it does dmg… but not so much,#1 is too slow and inaccurate,2 and 3 dont do enough dmg comapred to their cooldowns.
Look at the mesmers – staff for condi dmg, greatsword for direct dmg. Necros simply lack long range power based weapon.
Ye,I know that dagger can be used as main hand weapon but tbh,this is THE most redicolous idea that can exist in this game.

A lot of problems with conditions stem from easy application, overall damage, and easy access from multiple classes. I feel the only condition that should do damage is bleeds and burns. Everything else should only be a debuff to a stat (e.g. reductions in crit, power, vitality, etc.) or be an impairment to movement. That’s how attrition should work.

When giving condition access to a high mobility class such as a warrior, it becomes much harder to counter whereas a necro has few escape options so there’s a better chance at beating him before the conditions wear you down.

I think the main issue with condi is that to counter it, you are forced to select traits/skills. It is not reducable by toughness. Simply, you cannot itemise against it, whereas you can very easily itemise against power without having to take any skills to endure its affect.

Amitabh Bachan.4385:

No. This would allow people to do equivalent damage of power specs with 2 stats, condition damage and condition duration. And condi duration is not even that important when you can mindlessly reapply conditions.

Power specs require power prec crit damage. The imbalance is obvious to see.

This.

And too bad ppl cant even think about this , plus condi dmge doesnt get lowered by anything , when power specs will be lowered by enemy armor/toughness.

Is this post a joke?

Condis need a rework. But not this.

Jinx.7258:

Dunno how you came to the point where condis are weak. Condis atm are way too powerful, even on power specs players deal good amount of condi dmg (some even done unintentionally)

Conditions are too weak, it’s just they can be spammed and encourage spamming and they only become powerful when spammed enough.

There are almost never a bad time to apply any condition.
That is fine.
But wouldn’t it be better to have it that conditions will be more effective given the situation?

Nova Stiker.8396:

Jinx.7258:

Dunno how you came to the point where condis are weak. Condis atm are way too powerful, even on power specs players deal good amount of condi dmg (some even done unintentionally)

Conditions are too weak, it’s just they can be spammed and encourage spamming and they only become powerful when spammed enough.

There are almost never a bad time to apply any condition.
That is fine.
But wouldn’t it be better to have it that conditions will be more effective given the situation?

No there are conditions which should not be spammed (immobilize,fear).

Conditions are too weak? You clearly never seen an engineer/necro. Where the heck have you been? Ever since the quickness nerf its been nothing but condition meta.

What people don’t realize is necros condition damage is now lower than it was before dhummfire. Also power builds do way more damage than condition builds. Zerker warriors with defensive traits have double the damage output of fully offensively traited necromancers. Anyone saying cond/tough/precision is unfair because zerkers doesn’t do more damage doesn’t do simple math. Also power builds have defensive armor in knights and soldiers. I’d be willing to bet a warrior in soldiers would do more damage than a necro could on any build.

Meh.
If your gonna overhaul condi effects you might as well do it right.

BUT.

If power based attacks weren’t completely unviable on condition builds, if pure condi builds didn’t really exist… ‘condition builds’ would get their larger pool of abilities, strong conditions could be given longer CDs and so be very situational, conditions could finally fit cleansing…
It’s a win/win/win.