Hey all! Just wanted to clarify real quick: We haven’t made any changes to confusion. It is currently working as intended. Attacking with several stacks of confusion on you will definitely hurt!
I see what you did there. :P
But Allie, You (Anet) have claimed to not make any changes to other things but they were clearly changed in patches… So while you may say it’s working as intended based on not adjusting it intentionally… Something else is possible..
But Allie – seriously we were like ten guys when we tested like all of the conditions and all came to the same conclusion – did you change anything that could have affacted this?
It’s kinda weird to be proven wrong – when we did two other nothing else then number crunchin with a whole bunch of guys…
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If someone is using a full condition spec and min/maxed for confusion stacking, it’s possible to see the damage you’re seeing. No changes were made today that would affect confusion damage.
We verified several times in the office today after seeing this thread, and didn’t find anything that was abnormal.
Regardless, thank you very much for reporting it. We appreciate the quick action!
Condition damage seems normal to me. The death breakdown is just bugged and shows 30k burning, bleeding, retaliation, and confusion every death.
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Think confusion is bollox anyway, its hard at times to properly stop auto attacking and a few stacks hurt way 2 much considering other conditions arent all that bad (except for 25 bleed stacks, but a little cleansing now and then fixes that amount of damage).
I think its funny I can handle poison, burning and a little bit of bleed at the same time, but confusion…. miAUWTSJ!
Besides why dont poison & burning work with stacks? Same as bleeds & confusions?
If someone is using a full condition spec and min/maxed for confusion stacking, it’s possible to see the damage you’re seeing. No changes were made today that would affect confusion damage.
We verified several times in the office today after seeing this thread, and didn’t find anything that was abnormal.
Regardless, thank you very much for reporting it. We appreciate the quick action!
well if you DIDN’T change any thing about it then you should have since mesmers can now aoe spam it -_-’
If someone is using a full condition spec and min/maxed for confusion stacking, it’s possible to see the damage you’re seeing. No changes were made today that would affect confusion damage.
We verified several times in the office today after seeing this thread, and didn’t find anything that was abnormal.
Regardless, thank you very much for reporting it. We appreciate the quick action!
well if you DIDN’T change any thing about it then you should have since mesmers can now aoe spam it -_-’
AOE spam? Lol… Confusing images has a c/d just like every other weapon skill on every class except thieves… so while confusing images is AOE … Its not spammable… Engi’s have the best AOE confusion spam currently.
Mesmers have to trait into multiple lines to stack confusion and have to use specific utilities.
All the engineer needs is Pry Bar and pistol mainhand, which both last longer on their confusion application and apply more confusion/damage individually.
Which is kind of funny since you’d expect confusion to be the mesmer’s main debuff.
You know what is the worse that procs Confusion? Attacking with a ranged #1 skill a target that isn’t in front of you. Each time you press that #1 skill you get hit by confusion, no attacks fire cause the target isn’t in front and no cooldown happens. Essentially, you can use that to self proc confusion stacks on yourself as fast as you can press your #1 skill.
You know what is the worse that procs Confusion? Attacking with a ranged #1 skill a target that isn’t in front of you. Each time you press that #1 skill you get hit by confusion, no attacks fire cause the target isn’t in front and no cooldown happens. Essentially, you can use that to self proc confusion stacks on yourself as fast as you can press your #1 skill.
So confusion works as intended? It is designed to punish skill spammers… which in this case it seems to do. Move along.
You know what is the worse that procs Confusion? Attacking with a ranged #1 skill a target that isn’t in front of you. Each time you press that #1 skill you get hit by confusion, no attacks fire cause the target isn’t in front and no cooldown happens. Essentially, you can use that to self proc confusion stacks on yourself as fast as you can press your #1 skill.
So confusion works as intended? It is designed to punish skill spammers… which in this case it seems to do. Move along.
You know, sometimes I wonder …
Confusion is supposed to proc each time you press a key on your keyboard even if nothing happens? Well if that’s intended, it explains a lot about the general GW2 desig.
You know what is the worse that procs Confusion? Attacking with a ranged #1 skill a target that isn’t in front of you. Each time you press that #1 skill you get hit by confusion, no attacks fire cause the target isn’t in front and no cooldown happens. Essentially, you can use that to self proc confusion stacks on yourself as fast as you can press your #1 skill.
So confusion works as intended? It is designed to punish skill spammers… which in this case it seems to do. Move along.
You know, sometimes I wonder …
Confusion is supposed to proc each time you press a key on your keyboard even if nothing happens? Well if that’s intended, it explains a lot about the general GW2 desig.
Confusion is supposed to proc each time you use a skill… So whether it be auto attacking healing utility or elite. The traits that produce a skill on dodge also proc it (deceptive evasion, uncatchable, powder keg, evasive arcana.)
But the skill was NOT used. Did you read what I wrote? When you fire “cone restricted” autoattacks at a target that isn’t in the cone, the skill doesn’t start, the skill doesn’t go into CD, the confusion procs and there’s no CD at all for it to proc again the next time you press the #1 key again. Essentially, confusion procs on doing nothing at all with no CD in this situation.
And yet its the only condition readily available to mesmers… And confusion is the same as other condi’s that people use to passively win… Yeah bleeding…poison… So on… And funny you should say scrubs rely on it because confusion relies on scrubs that don’t pay attention to what they are doing. It is a punishment condition.
My Confusion build on Mesmer was working just great. I’ll run a few pvp matches and post my findings to see if it has changed, however seeing as how Anet has commented and said that no changes have been made I highly doubt I’ll find anything new.
Its possible to get confusion to do 3k damage on skill use, and if they have retaliation aswell you will end up killing yourself. 1 vs 1 you can wait it out, any more vs you than this the best option is to run lol. only 2 things in the game remove confusion without triggering the damage.
getting rid of it by normal condition removal will damage you but at least it will remove the confusion.
Think confusion is bollox anyway, its hard at times to properly stop auto attacking and a few stacks hurt way 2 much considering other conditions arent all that bad (except for 25 bleed stacks, but a little cleansing now and then fixes that amount of damage).
I think its funny I can handle poison, burning and a little bit of bleed at the same time, but confusion…. miAUWTSJ!
Besides why dont poison & burning work with stacks? Same as bleeds & confusions?
Don’t auto attack or simply press escape. Confusion only works against unaware, lazy or plain stupid enemies.
Its possible to get confusion to do 3k damage on skill use
At my ~1900 condition damage, it’s ~416 damage per stack per skill use according to the wiki. If I’m lucky and really blow out all skills, I can apply 14-18 stacks of confusion to a single enemy, which would be about 7500 damage per skill use. Which sounds enormous. Problem is: you won’t be able to do that 95% of the time unless you’re in a controlled situation like PvE, confusion duration is extremely short and the enemy can simply avoid the damage by doing nothing at all. Or let’s take Confusing Images for example, that’s a three second channel for five stacks of confusion which is easily interruptable. It only lasts so such a short time, when I’m done using all my skills, the first stack will already start to wear off again. Imo confusion isn’t really meant to blow up people (though it works when they’re just unaware) but it has an enormous potential for stopping power, especially when combined with a staff (chaos armor) for maximum survivability. A single stack of confusion doesn’t really hurt, and once you apply high stacks of confusion, all relevant skills will be in cooldown for way longer than the short time it lasts, so you’re pretty much screwed then. So nobody does that really, unless you realize your enemy has no idea how confusion works (which happens more often than I’d guessed). But hey, you still see people standing next to an iWarden or within a Feedback dome (or both, which is probably enough to kill yourself instantly considering ethereal field + whirl finisher also applies confusion), stupidity never dies.
People just shouldn’t come to the forums complaining about how “op” confusion is when they’ve never actually played a class/build that relies on it. A glamour build mesmer has an easy time tagging for loot in a dumb zerg (which only brings it en par with every other class that has some kind of AoE which we almost completely lack), but is probably one of the most demanding options to play in PvE or small scale WvW because there’s no faceroll rotation and you need perfect timing (again, unless the enemy is exceptionally dumb).
Think confusion is bollox anyway, its hard at times to properly stop auto attacking and a few stacks hurt way 2 much considering other conditions arent all that bad (except for 25 bleed stacks, but a little cleansing now and then fixes that amount of damage).
I think its funny I can handle poison, burning and a little bit of bleed at the same time, but confusion…. miAUWTSJ!
Besides why dont poison & burning work with stacks? Same as bleeds & confusions?
Don’t auto attack or simply press escape. Confusion only works against unaware, lazy or plain stupid enemies.
Its possible to get confusion to do 3k damage on skill use
At my ~1900 condition damage, it’s ~416 damage per stack per skill use according to the wiki. If I’m lucky and really blow out all skills, I can apply 14-18 stacks of confusion to a single enemy, which would be about 7500 damage per skill use. Which sounds enormous. Problem is: you won’t be able to do that 95% of the time unless you’re in a controlled situation like PvE, confusion duration is extremely short and the enemy can simply avoid the damage by doing nothing at all. Or let’s take Confusing Images for example, that’s a three second channel for five stacks of confusion which is easily interruptable. It only lasts so such a short time, when I’m done using all my skills, the first stack will already start to wear off again. Imo confusion isn’t really meant to blow up people (though it works when they’re just unaware) but it has an enormous potential for stopping power, especially when combined with a staff (chaos armor) for maximum survivability. A single stack of confusion doesn’t really hurt, and once you apply high stacks of confusion, all relevant skills will be in cooldown for way longer than the short time it lasts, so you’re pretty much screwed then. So nobody does that really, unless you realize your enemy has no idea how confusion works (which happens more often than I’d guessed). But hey, you still see people standing next to an iWarden or within a Feedback dome (or both, which is probably enough to kill yourself instantly considering ethereal field + whirl finisher also applies confusion), stupidity never dies.
People just shouldn’t come to the forums complaining about how “op” confusion is when they’ve never actually played a class/build that relies on it. A glamour build mesmer has an easy time tagging for loot in a dumb zerg (which only brings it en par with every other class that has some kind of AoE which we almost completely lack), but is probably one of the most demanding options to play in PvE or small scale WvW because there’s no faceroll rotation and you need perfect timing (again, unless the enemy is exceptionally dumb).
In any other case I use a simple mouseclick to catch NO target at all but that doesnt seem to work, however escape might be a simple solution (doh >.> cheers). Should avoid the problem of autoattacks eating my HP.
But I wouldnt be surprised if most people complain about it because they shred themselves with skills because they do not notice the confusion in time.
Confusion works very different, which kinda validates your point that people should play a class with the confusion condition. I did myself (mesmer) unfortunately I cant say I really enjoyed the mesmer =D
Don’t auto attack or simply press escape. Confusion only works against unaware, lazy or plain stupid enemies.
Lol’ed.
I almost never die in PvE for confusion ‘cause, yaknow, it’s a more “manageable” situation, so you can simply stop auto-attacking and run away from damage-source.
Think about PvP, a “frenzied” and “excited” environment, in which you can come up with a 1vX fight (or XvX fight, but you’re the target). Now imagine that you have a 25 stack of Confusion and half HP or less. You want to use, and actually you use, I don’t know, Contemplation of Purity for what? Pushing yourself to an even faster death?
Imo, confusion it’s acceptable considering damage, but it shouldn’t proc with heals and utilities that remove condi.
Don’t auto attack or simply press escape. Confusion only works against unaware, lazy or plain stupid enemies.
Lol’ed.
I almost never die in PvE for confusion ‘cause, yaknow, it’s a more “manageable” situation, so you can simply stop auto-attacking and run away from damage-source.
Think about PvP, a “frenzied” and “excited” environment, in which you can come up with a 1vX fight (or XvX fight, but you’re the target). Now imagine that you have a 25 stack of Confusion and half HP or less. You want to use, and actually you use, I don’t know, Contemplation of Purity for what? Pushing yourself to an even faster death?
Imo, confusion it’s acceptable considering damage, but it shouldn’t proc with heals and utilities that remove condi.
You could say the same about poison and heals that remove conditions… The poison still affects your healing power when you use the skill even tho the poison is getting removed with the heal…
You could say the same about poison and heals that remove conditions… The poison still affects your healing power when you use the skill even tho the poison is getting removed with the heal…
You could say the same about poison and heals that remove conditions… The poison still affects your healing power when you use the skill even tho the poison is getting removed with the heal…
Consume Conditions will remove poison before healing is calculated.
On a nice twist, it says nothing about Confusion. That’s because Confusion procs not when a skill is cast, but as soon as it starts activating, ie, before the skill is cast at all. And even if the skill is never cast.
Well Mending isn’t mentioned on the wiki but then the later isn’t always perfect. I tested it and I’m 99% sure if poison is among the two conditions removed, then the healing amount is unaffected.
I wouldn’t bet too much on Ether Renewal cause of the way it works is kind of different. And that mesmer trait same : many things that add effects on “healing” actually activate after your healing skill goes into cooldown.
Still, that makes it 3 out of 5 skills that for sure remove poison first (and 2 that we don’t know) which kind of goes against your assertion that all of them were affected by the poison debuff :p
Confusion is using moves to do damge, it does less damage in less time than say, thief burst, or a shatter combo, generally. It can be cleansed, its also representing global downs from your opponent in order to apply this debuff, meaning it has a cost to him.
Think about PvP, a “frenzied” and “excited” environment, in which you can come up with a 1vX fight (or XvX fight, but you’re the target). Now imagine that you have a 25 stack of Confusion and half HP or less. You want to use, and actually you use, I don’t know, Contemplation of Purity for what? Pushing yourself to an even faster death?
Maybe wait one second until half of the confusion wears off? It’s unlikely you’ll ever have 25 stacks of it on you anyway, unless yeah, several people are focusing you, which is a situation in which you’re simply meant to die, especially with less than half of your health. There’s no difference whatsoever compared to direct damage or other conditions, except you can simply avoid the confusion damage by being smart. In_a_zerg (what’s up with the filter?), nobody’s going to try to put as much confusion as possible on you anyway as it’s inefficient, see above. Confusion is always used in conjunction with regular attacks and conditions to reduce the enemy’s attack rate, nobody’s wasting all his cooldowns for a confusion spike that wears off within a few seconds. There should be more of this in the game imo, it’s focused on damage spikes way too much currently.
