Guild Wars 2

In any MMO or MOBA EVER this is the most overpowered thing I have ever seen. It isn’t even close. It is so grossly and absurdly overpowered.

It should not reset EVERYTHING. For a start…resetting ultimates is insane. I actually think a balanced continuum split would be for it to reset only f1-f4 skills. That still makes it probably the best skill in guild wars 2 (!!!!!) even after this nerf.

How does this get through testing?

I would much rather they nerfed this OP BS rather than just nerf everything about mesmer because continuum split abuses it.

Way way way way way way too good. It is just way too good.

BTW, just so you all know.

Best class in PvE = Mesmer
Best class in WvW =Mesmer
Best class in PvP = Mesmer

Nerf continuum split and save this game.

Moa and portal are the strongest skills in the game
And on too they have continuum split
Mesmer is also the best class to 1vs1
But wtv

http://heroesofthestorm.wikia.com/wiki/Rewind

here is how a good game company balances a skill like continuum split.

We need Pyro for this one guys.

Let me guess, you failed to dodge Moa twice in the span of one minute.

No because moa and portal are only good in certain situations. Getting hit by moa isn’t devastating. A full skill and health reset is far far more powerful. Anytime you use it it’s an I win key.

incoming mesmer mains who dont want their broken class fixed in 3 2 1

Lexander.4579:

incoming mesmer mains who dont want their broken class fixed in 3 2 1

Cause CS is clearly the most OP thing in the entire game…. Yes, mesmer is broken in that its class mechanics are self defeating. The class needs a complete redesign, but CS is fine as it is.

Seriously, this thread will just be full of people who can’t figure out how to dodge Moa, a skill that has been nerfed hard multiple times.

lol thread /15 chars

If mesmer is as broken, why aren’t there way more mesmer?

Tiefsee.3647:

If mesmer is as broken, why aren’t there way more mesmer?

same argument couldve been made for rev pre season 5. its not common to see them at all except when they are the daily. yet they are still “zomg so op pls nerf noowwwww”

Mesmer is the best in PvE? Lol how? It has the worst dmg of all the classes haha. All the slippery nonsense is far less useful there.

Now as for PvP, aye it’s really good. And fun to play. For me it’s fun because I know how incredibly frustrating it is for people to fight me 10 secs of invul tends to get the blood pumping for most

sophiewhite.3149:

Tiefsee.3647:

If mesmer is as broken, why aren’t there way more mesmer?

same argument couldve been made for rev pre season 5. its not common to see them at all except when they are the daily. yet they are still “zomg so op pls nerf noowwwww”

I thought more people didn’t play Rev because it had so many bugs

Lexander.4579:

incoming mesmer mains who dont want their broken class fixed in 3 2 1

Pretty much. I have played a lot of games and I have never seen a skill so overpowered as continuum split. It is really amazing.

OriOri.8724:

sophiewhite.3149:

Tiefsee.3647:

If mesmer is as broken, why aren’t there way more mesmer?

same argument couldve been made for rev pre season 5. its not common to see them at all except when they are the daily. yet they are still “zomg so op pls nerf noowwwww”

I thought more people didn’t play Rev because it had so many bugs

its a little bit of everything tbh. esp condi rev. mace is unbelievably broken to bugs. or when sword 3 doesnt even go off. and sword 2 goes into the ground more often than not.

Ultimate? Links to heroes of the storm?

You must be a blizzard fan, as such you need to go through the proper deprogramming procedure before trying games made by real games companies.

As for CS, it’s no more broken or overpowered as everything else in HoT. I personally think CS is a balancing nightmare and would trade it for old alacrity back but make it mesmer only, no sharing. The reason I say this is you can balance around a line and trait choices offering quicker recharge times, you cannot balance around a mechanic that reduces a cool down to 90/76s or doubling up on its effect in a short period.

Also mesmer is not the best for PvE, you want 1 or 2 for raids, no more, ele on the other hand….
WvW? You really are, I’ll get an infarction if I be honest but needless to say if you think that you need more experience.

Superhoops.8956:

In any MMO or MOBA EVER this is the most overpowered thing I have ever seen. It isn’t even close. It is so grossly and absurdly overpowered.

It should not reset EVERYTHING. For a start…resetting ultimates is insane. I actually think a balanced continuum split would be for it to reset only f1-f4 skills. That still makes it probably the best skill in guild wars 2 (!!!!!) even after this nerf.

How does this get through testing?

I would much rather they nerfed this OP BS rather than just nerf everything about mesmer because continuum split abuses it.

Way way way way way way too good. It is just way too good.

BTW, just so you all know.

Best class in PvE = Mesmer
Best class in WvW =Mesmer
Best class in PvP = Mesmer

Nerf continuum split and save this game.

I will try to be brief and just summarize: CS is not a “reset EVERYTHING” skill. It restores whatever health you had when you activated it, and whatever skills you can squeeze in b4 it resets. For example, in the case of Moa, SoH on a 1 second activation, which means because of the mechanics of SoH, you cannot get a whole lot more out of CS b4 it resets and subsequently resets SoH. Furthermore, the “rift” can be destroyed, which makes it reset faster. In the end CS is not a guarantee of anything and has to be used judiciously in order to make it effective while in combat.

Second, Mesmer is hardly the best profession in any game venue atm. I do not see many Mesmers in sPvP; many times I am the only one which means it’s hardly necessary in the minds of other players, so how can it be so op? Have you tried leveling a Mesmer in PVE? It’s not easy because of the way clones are tied to its damage, and against npc foes clones/phantasms are mostly ignored which means the Mesmer is instead targeted. That means the Mesmer can’t rely upon the usual deceptive value they provide against real players and therefore, has to play well. In WvW, thieves and ranger-druids are generally hard counters. I have an alt Mesmer I use to roam with, but again, even as a power build there are no guarantees not even soling camps and such because Mesmer just doesn’t have the burst it used to have and that because it has been heavily nerfed.

Finally, what’s next for Chrono? What will Chrono have left if you take away or nerf CS? They have already nerfed Chrono – a lot, including both Alacrity and Wells – not to mention again in this latest patch with the nerf to Inspiration trait line. In the end, CS is good situationally to reset some things but not everything, and you have to manage it well for it to be genuinely effective.

Soothsayer.9206:

Superhoops.8956:

In any MMO or MOBA EVER this is the most overpowered thing I have ever seen. It isn’t even close. It is so grossly and absurdly overpowered.

It should not reset EVERYTHING. For a start…resetting ultimates is insane. I actually think a balanced continuum split would be for it to reset only f1-f4 skills. That still makes it probably the best skill in guild wars 2 (!!!!!) even after this nerf.

How does this get through testing?

I would much rather they nerfed this OP BS rather than just nerf everything about mesmer because continuum split abuses it.

Way way way way way way too good. It is just way too good.

BTW, just so you all know.

Best class in PvE = Mesmer
Best class in WvW =Mesmer
Best class in PvP = Mesmer

Nerf continuum split and save this game.

I will try to be brief and just summarize: CS is not a “reset EVERYTHING” skill. It restores whatever health you had when you activated it, and whatever skills you can squeeze in b4 it resets. For example, in the case of Moa, SoH on a 1 second activation, which means because of the mechanics of SoH, you cannot get a whole lot more out of CS b4 it resets and subsequently resets SoH. Furthermore, the “rift” can be destroyed, which makes it reset faster. In the end CS is not a guarantee of anything and has to be used judiciously in order to make it effective while in combat.

Second, Mesmer is hardly the best profession in any game venue atm. I do not see many Mesmers in sPvP; many times I am the only one which means it’s hardly necessary in the minds of other players, so how can it be so op? Have you tried leveling a Mesmer in PVE? It’s not easy because of the way clones are tied to its damage, and against npc foes clones/phantasms are mostly ignored which means the Mesmer is instead targeted. That means the Mesmer can’t rely upon the usual deceptive value they provide against real players and therefore, has to play well. In WvW, thieves and ranger-druids are generally hard counters. I have an alt Mesmer I use to roam with, but again, even as a power build there are no guarantees not even soling camps and such because Mesmer just doesn’t have the burst it used to have and that because it has been heavily nerfed.

Finally, what’s next for Chrono? What will Chrono have left if you take away or nerf CS? They have already nerfed Chrono – a lot, including both Alacrity and Wells – not to mention again in this latest patch with the nerf to Inspiration trait line. In the end, CS is good situationally to reset some things but not everything, and you have to manage it well for it to be genuinely effective.

Everything can be reset by it. Its broken. it should only reset f1-f4. Either way, chrono is always going to be better than mesmer so mesmer will never have any build diversity. Terrible design.

Superhoops.8956:

Soothsayer.9206:

Superhoops.8956:

In any MMO or MOBA EVER this is the most overpowered thing I have ever seen. It isn’t even close. It is so grossly and absurdly overpowered.

It should not reset EVERYTHING. For a start…resetting ultimates is insane. I actually think a balanced continuum split would be for it to reset only f1-f4 skills. That still makes it probably the best skill in guild wars 2 (!!!!!) even after this nerf.

How does this get through testing?

I would much rather they nerfed this OP BS rather than just nerf everything about mesmer because continuum split abuses it.

Way way way way way way too good. It is just way too good.

BTW, just so you all know.

Best class in PvE = Mesmer
Best class in WvW =Mesmer
Best class in PvP = Mesmer

Nerf continuum split and save this game.

I will try to be brief and just summarize: CS is not a “reset EVERYTHING” skill. It restores whatever health you had when you activated it, and whatever skills you can squeeze in b4 it resets. For example, in the case of Moa, SoH on a 1 second activation, which means because of the mechanics of SoH, you cannot get a whole lot more out of CS b4 it resets and subsequently resets SoH. Furthermore, the “rift” can be destroyed, which makes it reset faster. In the end CS is not a guarantee of anything and has to be used judiciously in order to make it effective while in combat.

Second, Mesmer is hardly the best profession in any game venue atm. I do not see many Mesmers in sPvP; many times I am the only one which means it’s hardly necessary in the minds of other players, so how can it be so op? Have you tried leveling a Mesmer in PVE? It’s not easy because of the way clones are tied to its damage, and against npc foes clones/phantasms are mostly ignored which means the Mesmer is instead targeted. That means the Mesmer can’t rely upon the usual deceptive value they provide against real players and therefore, has to play well. In WvW, thieves and ranger-druids are generally hard counters. I have an alt Mesmer I use to roam with, but again, even as a power build there are no guarantees not even soling camps and such because Mesmer just doesn’t have the burst it used to have and that because it has been heavily nerfed.

Finally, what’s next for Chrono? What will Chrono have left if you take away or nerf CS? They have already nerfed Chrono – a lot, including both Alacrity and Wells – not to mention again in this latest patch with the nerf to Inspiration trait line. In the end, CS is good situationally to reset some things but not everything, and you have to manage it well for it to be genuinely effective.

Everything can be reset by it. Its broken. it should only reset f1-f4. Either way, chrono is always going to be better than mesmer so mesmer will never have any build diversity. Terrible design.

You can say that literally about every single class and their elite spec…

“Anything” can be reset by CS, but “everything” is misleading and somewhat of a caricature. Chrono is better than core Mesmer because it’s the elite specialization by design as part of HoT and should be able to do things core cannot or why buy HoT? No Mesmer I know of will argue with you about Mesmer build diversity though, because it is miniscule to none atm.

Soothsayer.9206:

“Anything” can be reset by CS, but “everything” is misleading and somewhat of a caricature. Chrono is better than core Mesmer because it’s the elite specialization by design as part of HoT and should be able to do things core cannot or why buy HoT? No Mesmer I know of will argue with you about Mesmer build diversity though, because it is miniscule to none atm.

but but we have power chrono, condi chrono we had bunker chrono , chrono chrono

rewind and c is not the same thing with rewing you use all your skills then press rewing and bam you got all your skills back with cs you must use it use the few to 1 skills you can in the little time you got and they it will reset the cd of the skills

Ill be honest and say i struggle against the condi mesmer 1 vs 1 but if a mesmer goes into a team fight.

I target it first before the necro. When i had a team who actually targeted the mesmer in team fights, wow that guy would die in seconds.

So for me mesmer isnt too bad, it loses to DH in 1 vs 1 and is quickly targeted in team fights.

kdaddy.5431:

Ill be honest and say i struggle against the condi mesmer 1 vs 1 but if a mesmer goes into a team fight.

I target it first before the necro. When i had a team who actually targeted the mesmer in team fights, wow that guy would die in seconds.

So for me mesmer isnt too bad, it loses to DH in 1 vs 1 and is quickly targeted in team fights.

next time try to focus mesmer who uses distortion, blurred frenzy, shield block, spends both dodges and teleports around all the while using continuum split to reset his hp/endurance and his heal skill and maybe some of the aforementioned skills too

Lexander.4579:

kdaddy.5431:

Ill be honest and say i struggle against the condi mesmer 1 vs 1 but if a mesmer goes into a team fight.

I target it first before the necro. When i had a team who actually targeted the mesmer in team fights, wow that guy would die in seconds.

So for me mesmer isnt too bad, it loses to DH in 1 vs 1 and is quickly targeted in team fights.

next time try to focus mesmer who uses distortion, blurred frenzy, shield block, spends both dodges and teleports around all the while using continuum split to reset his hp/endurance and his heal skill and maybe some of the aforementioned skills too

You act as if they are not trying too.

Even on side points in 2 vs and 3 vs 3. I target the mesmer first.

Also i try to play smart and not engage them on 1 vs 1 unless i know i will win the 1 vs 1 or play DH for the counter.

You can literally say what you said about any class, deal with a warriors 2X endure the pain, 2X resistance, lame OP F1 hits. Or guardian spam traps with renewed focus and unblockable spear of justice, etc etc etkitten

erally every class

Lexander.4579:

incoming mesmer mains who dont want their broken class fixed in 3 2 1

Hi, day 1 release Mesmer main here.

You can remove CS from the game. I don’t mind. All the non-mesmers will find the next mesmery thing to cry OP about, as they have done since day 1 release.

Also, CS has nothing on Rev. The entire class is a flawed design of brokenness.

Ele’s have always, and continue to be broken.

Thieve’s initiative has seen them be a nightmare of a balance issue for the duration of the game.

and on and on and on…

HoT completely ruined this game. All ire should appropriately be leveled at all HoT changes.

Case in point: For the mesmer class to stand up under the current system, it needs a button that allows it to double up on all its kitten (including an additional button that allows it to double up on its doubled up shatters). Along with a line that grants it the speed it needs to move around, and a mechanic to generate enough clones quickly enough that would otherwise be instantly destroyed without replacement should said traits not be there.

Broken as kitten

While there are many broken things HoT introduced, the many times people point fingers and go ‘(insert class) is more broken!’ isn’t going to lead to anything productive. CS is something that shouldn’t have been implemented in the first place, and that’s the point of the discussion. The sooner people admit these things, even if it’s thier own class, the sooner we can start coming to a reasonable state of balance; even if Anet will never do it.

Start with one, then move onto the next.

Soothsayer.9206:

…CS is not a guarantee of anything and has to be used judiciously in order to make it effective while in combat.

CS isn’t going to be nerfed because of this very point. There’s so many variables to have to consider for a successful split period in PvP/WvW that nerfing CS would just makes it even more unappealing to the average player who could just roll a Dragonhunter instead.

CutesySylveon.8290:

While there are many broken things HoT introduced, the many times people point fingers and go ‘(insert class) is more broken!’ isn’t going to lead to anything productive. CS is something that shouldn’t have been implemented in the first place, and that’s the point of the discussion. The sooner people admit these things, even if it’s thier own class, the sooner we can start coming to a reasonable state of balance; even if Anet will never do it.

Start with one, then move onto the next.

I agree. Every class needs nerfs in pvp to add counter play. Boon times should be reduced. Passive condition application released. Passive defensive procs reduced. Up time on invulns reduced. Damage abilities with little visual tell need damage reductions

I personally would not give a kitten if CS was replaced.

But of course people will find something else to moan about.

Curunen.8729:

I personally would not give a kitten if CS was replaced.

But of course people will find something else to moan about.

A mesmer who doesn’t care about CS is a bad mesmer

CutesySylveon.8290:

While there are many broken things HoT introduced, the many times people point fingers and go ‘(insert class) is more broken!’ isn’t going to lead to anything productive. CS is something that shouldn’t have been implemented in the first place, and that’s the point of the discussion. The sooner people admit these things, even if it’s thier own class, the sooner we can start coming to a reasonable state of balance; even if Anet will never do it.

Start with one, then move onto the next.

The problem with this line of thinking is a class becomes utter garbage as they move from class to class lowering the power of elite specs to be less rediculous. We end up in a situation where gradually only 5 classes are viable then 4, 3, 2, 1 and in esls we get less and less choice.

Essentially it will suck all round, if they nerfed them all together fine but nerfing one thing that’s not overpowered compared to everything else that all other elites have is also not the way to go.

Everything that came with HoT is extremely broken and OP. Every time i play core spec i just want to see devs to look me straight in the eyes and attempt to justify such insane power creep.

Crowley.8761:

Curunen.8729:

I personally would not give a kitten if CS was replaced.

But of course people will find something else to moan about.

A mesmer who doesn’t care about CS is a bad mesmer

Equally I could say a mesmer who is entirely dependent on CS to succeed is a bad mesmer.

How do you think we managed before CS existed?

I also would not care if both moa and portal were replaced/deleted. I would adapt.

apharma.3741:

As for CS, it’s no more broken or overpowered as everything else in HoT. I personally think CS is a balancing nightmare and would trade it for old alacrity back but make it mesmer only, no sharing. The reason I say this is you can balance around a line and trait choices offering quicker recharge times, you cannot balance around a mechanic that reduces a cool down to 90/76s or doubling up on its effect in a short period.

Also mesmer is not the best for PvE, you want 1 or 2 for raids, no more, ele on the other hand….
WvW? You really are, I’ll get an infarction if I be honest but needless to say if you think that you need more experience.

Bringing back Alacrity and then making it bound to the Chrono only would be awful for the class. Our personal damage is so low that losing the ability to share alacrity would be a huge nerf to our group utility in Raids. Don’t get me wrong, 100% uptime on quickness is nice and all, but I think that if people were forced to go without alacrity they might consider dropping chrono entirely in a lot of groups.

CS is a balancing nightmare sure. But its not nearly as OP as people in this thread are claiming. If it was why do we see the proliferation of DH and Warriors instead of a proliferation of mesmers?

OriOri.8724:

apharma.3741:

As for CS, it’s no more broken or overpowered as everything else in HoT. I personally think CS is a balancing nightmare and would trade it for old alacrity back but make it mesmer only, no sharing. The reason I say this is you can balance around a line and trait choices offering quicker recharge times, you cannot balance around a mechanic that reduces a cool down to 90/76s or doubling up on its effect in a short period.

Also mesmer is not the best for PvE, you want 1 or 2 for raids, no more, ele on the other hand….
WvW? You really are, I’ll get an infarction if I be honest but needless to say if you think that you need more experience.

Bringing back Alacrity and then making it bound to the Chrono only would be awful for the class. Our personal damage is so low that losing the ability to share alacrity would be a huge nerf to our group utility in Raids. Don’t get me wrong, 100% uptime on quickness is nice and all, but I think that if people were forced to go without alacrity they might consider dropping chrono entirely in a lot of groups.

CS is a balancing nightmare sure. But its not nearly as OP as people in this thread are claiming. If it was why do we see the proliferation of DH and Warriors instead of a proliferation of mesmers?

while i do think people are overreacting in the thread. a extremely hard class to play deserves strong abilities like this. with the devs splitting skills recently why are we even discussing raids and wvw in the pvp section?

kdaddy.5431:

Ill be honest and say i struggle against the condi mesmer 1 vs 1 but if a mesmer goes into a team fight.

I target it first before the necro. When i had a team who actually targeted the mesmer in team fights, wow that guy would die in seconds.

So for me mesmer isnt too bad, it loses to DH in 1 vs 1 and is quickly targeted in team fights.

Really?
U target the mesmer first?
U must be that guy that is chasing the mesmer across the map, while the rest of your team is focusing the necro.

Prince Vingador.8067:

kdaddy.5431:

Ill be honest and say i struggle against the condi mesmer 1 vs 1 but if a mesmer goes into a team fight.

I target it first before the necro. When i had a team who actually targeted the mesmer in team fights, wow that guy would die in seconds.

So for me mesmer isnt too bad, it loses to DH in 1 vs 1 and is quickly targeted in team fights.

Really?
U target the mesmer first?
U must be that guy that is chasing the mesmer across the map, while the rest of your team is focusing the necro.

One good unblockable killshot will remove him from the game.

One good lockdown/shatter burst will do the same.

It’s easier than you think if you’re not a complete meta class reliant newb :)

Ross Biddle.2367:

Prince Vingador.8067:

kdaddy.5431:

Ill be honest and say i struggle against the condi mesmer 1 vs 1 but if a mesmer goes into a team fight.

I target it first before the necro. When i had a team who actually targeted the mesmer in team fights, wow that guy would die in seconds.

So for me mesmer isnt too bad, it loses to DH in 1 vs 1 and is quickly targeted in team fights.

Really?
U target the mesmer first?
U must be that guy that is chasing the mesmer across the map, while the rest of your team is focusing the necro.

One good unblockable killshot will remove him from the game.

One good lockdown/shatter burst will do the same.

It’s easier than you think if you’re not a complete meta class reliant newb

still playing in the ratings where warriors run rifle i see

Tbh with bunch of dh in ranked I find mesmers are one of the top priority focus classes. I feel like mesmers are more squishy now.

Mak.2657:

Tbh with bunch of dh in ranked I find mesmers are one of the top priority focus classes. I feel like mesmers are more squishy now.

Wow, really?
With the amount of blocks , distortion, blink, portal, stealth…. u call it a priority focus?
What u call it a necro then? Or an ele ?

Lexander.4579:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Prince Vingador.8067:

kdaddy.5431:

Ill be honest and say i struggle against the condi mesmer 1 vs 1 but if a mesmer goes into a team fight.

I target it first before the necro. When i had a team who actually targeted the mesmer in team fights, wow that guy would die in seconds.

So for me mesmer isnt too bad, it loses to DH in 1 vs 1 and is quickly targeted in team fights.

Really?
U target the mesmer first?
U must be that guy that is chasing the mesmer across the map, while the rest of your team is focusing the necro.

One good unblockable killshot will remove him from the game.

One good lockdown/shatter burst will do the same.

It’s easier than you think if you’re not a complete meta class reliant newb

still playing in the ratings where warriors run rifle i see

Don’t be silly. Except for a few games to see the state of S5, I left this game before the end of S4.

GW2 is a momentary stop in for a brief bout of nostalgia, followed by a walk down frustration lane. Then it’s off to the PS4 to play some good PvP action.

If you’re playing seriously in any ratings bracket of GW2, you’re to be pitied

apharma.3741:

CutesySylveon.8290:

While there are many broken things HoT introduced, the many times people point fingers and go ‘(insert class) is more broken!’ isn’t going to lead to anything productive. CS is something that shouldn’t have been implemented in the first place, and that’s the point of the discussion. The sooner people admit these things, even if it’s thier own class, the sooner we can start coming to a reasonable state of balance; even if Anet will never do it.

Start with one, then move onto the next.

The problem with this line of thinking is a class becomes utter garbage as they move from class to class lowering the power of elite specs to be less rediculous. We end up in a situation where gradually only 5 classes are viable then 4, 3, 2, 1 and in esls we get less and less choice.

Essentially it will suck all round, if they nerfed them all together fine but nerfing one thing that’s not overpowered compared to everything else that all other elites have is also not the way to go.

In that context, I meant admitting something needing addressing, rather than actually doing it one by one. I would take class balance on a one class at a time basis if Anet would actually balance it properly. No, it’s not the right way to do it, but it would be better than nothing, which is basically what we have now.

CutesySylveon.8290:

apharma.3741:

CutesySylveon.8290:

While there are many broken things HoT introduced, the many times people point fingers and go ‘(insert class) is more broken!’ isn’t going to lead to anything productive. CS is something that shouldn’t have been implemented in the first place, and that’s the point of the discussion. The sooner people admit these things, even if it’s thier own class, the sooner we can start coming to a reasonable state of balance; even if Anet will never do it.

Start with one, then move onto the next.

The problem with this line of thinking is a class becomes utter garbage as they move from class to class lowering the power of elite specs to be less rediculous. We end up in a situation where gradually only 5 classes are viable then 4, 3, 2, 1 and in esls we get less and less choice.

Essentially it will suck all round, if they nerfed them all together fine but nerfing one thing that’s not overpowered compared to everything else that all other elites have is also not the way to go.

In that context, I meant admitting something needing addressing, rather than actually doing it one by one. I would take class balance on a one class at a time basis if Anet would actually balance it properly. No, it’s not the right way to do it, but it would be better than nothing, which is basically what we have now.

Fair enough but those of us that have seen years of balancing know that ANet don’t finely temper their skills, slowly honing it in till it’s not useless and not overpowered. What they do is they get a toffee hammer and hit the skill a little, this does very little and it remains overpowered so then they move straight onto the wrecking ball and slam that thing so hard they break 20 different other things in the process.

Except they missed the skill and it’s only not OP now because everything else is broken and garbage justifying it’s existence in the broken state.

Curunen.8729:

Equally I could say a mesmer who is entirely dependent on CS to succeed is a bad mesmer.

How do you think we managed before CS existed?

I also would not care if both moa and portal were replaced/deleted. I would adapt.

I remember exactly how we managed before CS. Back then there were no other elite specs either Things change ya’know

Arguably I’d say the game was more fun back then. Elite specs really took the diversity out of the game and if you play against half-decent people you know exactly what they’ll be doing. Not to say some speccs weren’t better even then, of course they were. But the old system allowed for a lot more mixmatch with how the trees worked, adding condi, precision, power etc depending on number of points. Ah well…

Crowley.8761:

Curunen.8729:

Equally I could say a mesmer who is entirely dependent on CS to succeed is a bad mesmer.

How do you think we managed before CS existed?

I also would not care if both moa and portal were replaced/deleted. I would adapt.

I remember exactly how we managed before CS. Back then there were no other elite specs either Things change ya’know

Arguably I’d say the game was more fun back then. Elite specs really took the diversity out of the game and if you play against half-decent people you know exactly what they’ll be doing. Not to say some speccs weren’t better even then, of course they were. But the old system allowed for a lot more mixmatch with how the trees worked, adding condi, precision, power etc depending on number of points. Ah well…

Things have changed but that doesn’t mean if Anet randomly decide to one day replace CS with something else they won’t try to maintain parity between classes.

It is a difficult skill to balance and I would not object to changes if necessary. I use CS because it is there, but I won’t suddenly quit Mesmer if they deleted it. I believe no matter what they do players will still find something of Mesmer to moan about anyway…

Personally I believe Portal should be an elite skill and core Mesmer should get its own F5.