Guild Wars 2

Don’t listen to the whiny players.

Meta has never been the most balanced. For the first time i see EVERY class in both ranked and unranked.

And whats most important, no more celestial garbage.

Burst counters celestial, as does tanks and squishes. Gone are the days where a D/D ele would tank 2 players inside a node. And then of course we had the turret engies….

All im saying is that right now every class has a viable build and more importantly has a way to counter other classes and builds.

Power ranger is stronger then before when played properly and utilizing range and height advantage. Condi ranger is deadlier than ever and pretty much can kill any class right now, when fighting on point (which is the whole point of conquest)

You can complain that x class is not meta because it was not in the latest ESL or whatever, but….its 5 spots and 8 classes. And also depends on the players and their best class. Before it used to be 3 dominant classes and the rest being bottom feeder. Now its more like 6 dominant ones and 2 slightly weaker but EVERY class now stands a chance vs any other when players properly.

And last but not least, many more builds suddenly became more viable, such as condi guard, which was a joke prepatch.

Hunter.4783:

Burst counters celestial, as does tanks and squishes.

Indeed, balanced…

there is no META, stop misusing the word. right now at the top MMR bracket, we see mostly Mesmer and cele ele cancer, cheese condi guards and an odd rampage warrior and d/p thief which are actually most balanced right now.

necros are good if u play the signet build well. rangers and engies are bottom of the barrel and they are mostly feed. the state of the game isn’t really much different. it’s basically still celestial eles, Mesmer aids, and a few cheese specs.

Overwatch beta cant come and sooner, and once it’s out later this year, buh bye gdub pvp.

Because that game is an mmo and comparable to GW2? Still looking forward to HoT, GvG, Specializations and heck, a Leaderboard system is a plus.

Every class is cheese. To say Guardian’s are more cheese than perma stealthed, instant bursting Mesmers, well choose your poison.

Hunter.4783:

Meta has never been the most balanced. For the first time i see EVERY class in both ranked and unranked.

I stopped reading here, cuz rangers and engi. And necro too, even if there’s still a somewhat viable bunkerish build for them.

Frenk.5917:

Hunter.4783:

Meta has never been the most balanced. For the first time i see EVERY class in both ranked and unranked.

I stopped reading here, cuz rangers and engi. And necro too, even if there’s still a somewhat viable bunkerish build for them.

Lies
You see plenty of necros. In the last couple of days I had 2 games, 1 with 3 necros and another with 4, while I was one my Thief. Won both

I question the honesty of the people who say Necro/Engi/Ranger are bad in this meta. Bunker MM Necro with constant boon strip can win a decent D/D Ele 80% of time. Condi spirit Ranger can own a lot of classes including Mesmer/Ele. People just don’t dare to try weird/unpopular builds, and then complain that other classes suck. or they try to act like victims to get buffed.

I talked about burning guardians and physical Warrior right after the patch landed. At that time, people still complained about how underpowered guardians/warriors are, because they got stuck in the old mindset. They didn’t try burning guardians or rampage. Now everyone complain about burning guard and rampage.

Quit playing the old style Necro/Ranger, and you will see how strong they are. Use your creativity.

Sunshine.5014:

I question the honesty of the people who say Necro/Engi/Ranger are bad in this meta. Bunker MM Necro with constant boon strip can win a decent D/D Ele 80% of time. Condi spirit Ranger can own a lot of classes including Mesmer/Ele. People just don’t dare to try weird/unpopular builds, and then complain that other classes suck. or they try to act like victims to get buffed.

I talked about burning guardians and physical Warrior right after the patch landed. At that time, people still complained about how underpowered guardians/warriors are, because they got stuck in the old mindset. They didn’t try burning guardians or rampage. Now everyone complain about burning guard and rampage.

Quit playing the old style Necro/Ranger, and you will see how strong they are. Use your creativity.

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Sunshine.5014:

I question the honesty of the people who say Necro/Engi/Ranger are bad in this meta. Bunker MM Necro with constant boon strip can win a decent D/D Ele 80% of time. Condi spirit Ranger can own a lot of classes including Mesmer/Ele. People just don’t dare to try weird/unpopular builds, and then complain that other classes suck. or they try to act like victims to get buffed.

I talked about burning guardians and physical Warrior right after the patch landed. At that time, people still complained about how underpowered guardians/warriors are, because they got stuck in the old mindset. They didn’t try burning guardians or rampage. Now everyone complain about burning guard and rampage.

Quit playing the old style Necro/Ranger, and you will see how strong they are. Use your creativity.

Well-said.

I don’t feel eng so weak …

How does a MM necro win without minions (since the ele killed them all)?

Sunshine.5014:

I question the honesty of the people who say Necro/Engi/Ranger are bad in this meta. Bunker MM Necro with constant boon strip can win a decent D/D Ele 80% of time. Condi spirit Ranger can own a lot of classes including Mesmer/Ele. People just don’t dare to try weird/unpopular builds, and then complain that other classes suck. or they try to act like victims to get buffed.

I talked about burning guardians and physical Warrior right after the patch landed. At that time, people still complained about how underpowered guardians/warriors are, because they got stuck in the old mindset. They didn’t try burning guardians or rampage. Now everyone complain about burning guard and rampage.

Quit playing the old style Necro/Ranger, and you will see how strong they are. Use your creativity.

+1
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Laserbolt.6731:

How does a MM necro win without minions (since the ele killed them all)?

And who says MM is the most viable Necromancer build? I still have qualms against Anet’s design decisions regarding many Necro changes (chilling darkness being the latest concern), but they’ve opened up other avenues for necros to explore, the latest being boon corruption options: signets, axe3, on top of existing corruptions such as the well, ds2, corrupt boon etc. It’s easy for necros to eat guardians and eles, particularly b/c of burn condi transfers and boon corruption.

Dissatisfied that Anet is pushing us into this niche ONLY, but it’s still a powerful and specific niche limited to necros.

lool godmode ele running around never dies but its all fine

PierPiero.9142:

I don’t feel eng so weak …

engi is mad decent atm

RevanCorana.8942:

lool godmode ele running around never dies but its all fine

God mode? I make burst an ele in a teamfight in maybe under a sec. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Eles have never been more balanced. pre patch D/D could tank 2 people on node and be fine. Now they melt in a 1v2 in 2 sec. You need to learn when to time the stuns and snares rights. Immobility and chill is the new stun now.

Sunshine.5014:

I question the honesty of the people who say Necro/Engi/Ranger are bad in this meta. Bunker MM Necro with constant boon strip can win a decent D/D Ele 80% of time. Condi spirit Ranger can own a lot of classes including Mesmer/Ele. People just don’t dare to try weird/unpopular builds, and then complain that other classes suck. or they try to act like victims to get buffed.

I talked about burning guardians and physical Warrior right after the patch landed. At that time, people still complained about how underpowered guardians/warriors are, because they got stuck in the old mindset. They didn’t try burning guardians or rampage. Now everyone complain about burning guard and rampage.

Quit playing the old style Necro/Ranger, and you will see how strong they are. Use your creativity.

+1

Well said.

TBH it feels like the same meta we had when the game launched. Handful of OP skills dominating.

Engi has no meta, can Engi at least whine about not being included in the meta?

Game is in chaos balance wise. There has in fact not even been an attemot to balance anything since the last changes. I am guessing there will not even be a serious attempt to do that before the expansion comes out.

Sunshine.5014:

I question the honesty of the people who say Necro/Engi/Ranger are bad in this meta. Bunker MM Necro with constant boon strip can win a decent D/D Ele 80% of time. Condi spirit Ranger can own a lot of classes including Mesmer/Ele. People just don’t dare to try weird/unpopular builds, and then complain that other classes suck. or they try to act like victims to get buffed.

I talked about burning guardians and physical Warrior right after the patch landed. At that time, people still complained about how underpowered guardians/warriors are, because they got stuck in the old mindset. They didn’t try burning guardians or rampage. Now everyone complain about burning guard and rampage.

Quit playing the old style Necro/Ranger, and you will see how strong they are. Use your creativity.

Putting it bluntly: MM and spirit ranger are complete trash in group play. Sure, they can do well in a one v one but so what? They have no way to escape and go down quickly when focus fired. They also don’t involve any actual gameplay – nothing they do will make an actual difference. They are like npcs that just happen to be controlled by a player.

Just go play spirit ranger with immobile spirits for 20 games in orgaized play…

Tissitra.4153:

Sunshine.5014:

I question the honesty of the people who say Necro/Engi/Ranger are bad in this meta. Bunker MM Necro with constant boon strip can win a decent D/D Ele 80% of time. Condi spirit Ranger can own a lot of classes including Mesmer/Ele. People just don’t dare to try weird/unpopular builds, and then complain that other classes suck. or they try to act like victims to get buffed.

I talked about burning guardians and physical Warrior right after the patch landed. At that time, people still complained about how underpowered guardians/warriors are, because they got stuck in the old mindset. They didn’t try burning guardians or rampage. Now everyone complain about burning guard and rampage.

Quit playing the old style Necro/Ranger, and you will see how strong they are. Use your creativity.

Putting it bluntly: MM and spirit ranger are complete trash in group play. Sure, they can do well in a one v one but so what? They have no way to escape and go down quickly when focus fired. They also don’t involve any actual gameplay – nothing they do will make an actual difference. They are like npcs that just happen to be controlled by a player.

Just go play spirit ranger with immobile spirits for 20 games in orgaized play…

We did, and we won about 80% of our games. I even have screenshots of salty Mesmers complaining about dying to our Ele burning (without realizing that they died to our Ranger burning, not Ele)

People don’t realize the Ranger burning can cover the whole point. Most people just pew pew 1-2 buttons with power ranger build, and don’t try new stuffs.

Gotta wait till ANet fix all the bugs before we can get a feel for the “meta”, I reckon.

There are a LOT of bugs it seems.

Sunshine.5014:

I talked about burning guardians and physical Warrior right after the patch landed. At that time, people still complained about how underpowered guardians/warriors are, because they got stuck in the old mindset. They didn’t try burning guardians or rampage. Now everyone complain about burning guard and rampage.

Quit playing the old style Necro/Ranger, and you will see how strong they are. Use your creativity.

People should not complain about Rampage as that’s the only thing going for Warriors. But people complain just because an elite skill is strong in melee and their blinders prevent them from seeing that Rampage is very easily countered.

the only problem i can see right now is the mesmer able to stealth , blink , stun you to death while having a high burst capability every time i manage to burst them they just blink away , stealth away then come back full health again until i burn all my cd’s not fun.

Guards are fine just tone down the burning damage.

Thief stealth is one thing they need i understand that but they are suppose to be revealed once they attack and make some restriction before they can go back to stealth like 3 seconds or give them more shadow step skills for escape.

@OP:

Are you serious or joking? I can’t really tell.

If you don’t understand the problem with mesmer and ele, I don’t really know what to say.

Problem mainly is that every player think that they know how to play. If bad player can’t win against good player it just means that good player play op class.

Junkpile.7439:

Problem mainly is that every player think that they know how to play. If bad player can’t win against good player it just means that good player play op class.

Suddenly all Mesmers are good players and everyone else is bad one… oh wait.

Morwath.9817:

Junkpile.7439:

Problem mainly is that every player think that they know how to play. If bad player can’t win against good player it just means that good player play op class.

Suddenly all Mesmers are good players and everyone else is bad one… oh wait.

You running around and try to hit his clones whole time and wonder why mesmer is so op.

Junkpile.7439:

Morwath.9817:

Junkpile.7439:

Problem mainly is that every player think that they know how to play. If bad player can’t win against good player it just means that good player play op class.

Suddenly all Mesmers are good players and everyone else is bad one… oh wait.

You running around and try to hit his clones whole time and wonder why mesmer is so op.

Indeed, your quality of trolling is pretty low. Try harder next time.

phokus.8934:

Sunshine.5014:

I talked about burning guardians and physical Warrior right after the patch landed. At that time, people still complained about how underpowered guardians/warriors are, because they got stuck in the old mindset. They didn’t try burning guardians or rampage. Now everyone complain about burning guard and rampage.

Quit playing the old style Necro/Ranger, and you will see how strong they are. Use your creativity.

People should not complain about Rampage as that’s the only thing going for Warriors. But people complain just because an elite skill is strong in melee and their blinders prevent them from seeing that Rampage is very easily countered.

I think rampage is too strong and is propping up war in an unhealthy way. Rampage needs to be toned down a lil and non-rampage stuff on war need to be brought up a lil.

Hunter.4783:

RevanCorana.8942:

lool godmode ele running around never dies but its all fine

God mode? I make burst an ele in a teamfight in maybe under a sec. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Eles have never been more balanced. pre patch D/D could tank 2 people on node and be fine. Now they melt in a 1v2 in 2 sec. You need to learn when to time the stuns and snares rights. Immobility and chill is the new stun now.

Lol no I don’t think so
I think youll get chilled by hitting the ele and he’ll get protection, then he switch to earth laughs at your crits negated while putting bleeds on you and can then either run away faster than any class can follow or heal more than any other class.
In conquest that means they’ll never go down and waste the time waiting to rez.
Find me a single replay where an ele goes down and it wasn’t a missplay.

Why do you expect perfect balance after the biggest class changes in months no in years this thread is kittened just by the name.
The only class that downs good ele (not buttonsmasher) are ranger longbow because its the hardcounter but they’re never in pvp.

RevanCorana.8942:

The only class that downs good ele (not buttonsmasher) are ranger longbow because its the hardcounter but they’re never in pvp.

Except Ranger is hard countered by Cele Ele, when both are played to their maximum xD

Morwath.9817:

RevanCorana.8942:

The only class that downs good ele (not buttonsmasher) are ranger longbow because its the hardcounter but they’re never in pvp.

Except Ranger is hard countered by Cele Ele, when both are played to their maximum xD

Ele hardcounter everyone anyway soo lol

Not sure what I love more, the new meta or the flow of battle now.

Probably the flow of battle.

Junkpile.7439:

Morwath.9817:

Junkpile.7439:

Problem mainly is that every player think that they know how to play. If bad player can’t win against good player it just means that good player play op class.

Suddenly all Mesmers are good players and everyone else is bad one… oh wait.

You running around and try to hit his clones whole time and wonder why mesmer is so op.

what? my mesmer dueling mate before this patch we are equal skill and we know that mesmer hard counter warrior but i still manage to win against him and our score is tied too we switch build so we can counter each other we both know that 1 build can’t win everytime sometime his build counter mines and my build counter his. But after this patch i couldn’t even win against him now tell me did i become so bad after patch?