Guild Wars 2

I joined a skyhammer game where 10 player teams would rush the center of map. Tag each other with AoE then fall to there deaths through opening in floor. They were getting 350 rank/glory every 2-3 minute match.

I don’t pvp much. Have been playing more of late because I covered most of the PvE and WvW and wanted to do. I was starting to have a lot of fun with PvP. Seeing this farm completely turned me off from PvPing. I don’t care about the cosmetic rewards in PvP. Rising in rank has lost any sort of appeal it might of had. When it takes no effort, skill or even time.

I don’t glory farm, but DO explain how it doesn’t take time.

Yes; someone is always going to find the least fun way to do something, it’s inevitable.

matches were set at 120 points. In 3 minutes, half the time was waiting for match to start and finish. There were 3 × 30 second waves of 20 suiciders rushing center of map and hitting each other once then falling to there deaths. Rinse and repeat. That’s approximely 5-7k glory or rank and hour.

Not like there’s really any rewards for it, so let em grind their pixels.

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are aware of this and are taking steps to mitigate this type of play.

This is probably because its hard to rank up/certain rewards locked behind rank and because hot-joins/CA are usually more rewarding in both glory and rank points.

If rank is easier to obtain (lvling curve for ranking up flattened/lowered), there wouldn’t need to be huge changes in how rank rewards you and it will lessen the need to Skyhammer farm since it won’t be the only viable option to rank up.

That then leaves the issue of tournaments being less rewarding, even if it is possible to rank up, many will still just shoot for the most rewarding path. One of the things that could mitigate this is changing the reward for killing other players/other actions . Because of the way it works, it will usually be better to kill (or any other action) in hot-join since there are more players to kill more often and it is much easier since people are less skilled and move in zergs.

Rather than reward points on each kill (or point capture, etc.), you should be rewarded at the end of the match and have the reward scale depending on if you are in a tournament or not.
That way 3 tournament kills (captures, etc.) can be just as rewarding as 20 hot-join kills. It lessens the use of hot-joins to earn rewards and makes them just a method to test out builds or have quick games w/ out worrying about dishonored. It also encourages people to finish the game, moreso than how it is now.

Good to hear you are doing something about it. Overall it doesn’t really matter. If people want to waste their time grinding meaningless and a skill less rank. Go for it lol.

Also agree with the post above. Make tpvp more rewarding then hotjoins.

It is the like the issue in pve earlier in the week…
People weren’t using the crafting level thing because they were going “oh yay I can get all this gold” they were doing it because leveling is painful for many people and the game isn’t fun for them until 80.
Arenanet’s response was to change crafting levels so you can only get 56 levels from leveling all crafting professions to 400 now meaning it is putting off even more people, and why are skill scrolls for skipping levels 1-20? why not just give people 20 levels (or 20 skillpoints of they are already at 80)
It isn’t game breaking especially as there is no way to regularity get them other than your character’s birthday… and then what happens? I have a friend with 16 level 80 characters and ~9 skill scrolls (some haven’t had their birthdays yet) whoo.

Sorry went off on a tangent, the issue with ranking is it is utterly grindy, it would be better to have as others suggest a flat curve and with more rewards coming from tournament matchups.

Also another reason people grind is so that they can get 20slot bags for free.

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are aware of this and are taking steps to mitigate this type of play.

Instead of punishing them, make cultural armors more accessible, because I won’t live long enough to acquire it, and also most armors on charr look bad (there are no good medium helms besides cultural). Grinding for 5 years is not a solution.
PS: no, I am not going to join them. Just change this bad reward system.

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are aware of this and are taking steps to mitigate this type of play.

Before you take too many steps.
Think for a momment, why a very high number of high ranked players (Included the winners of PAX) are doing this farm.

We are doing it, because at rank 50, it´s the only way to rank up at a decent path. This is not really players fault. It´s your system´s flaws and reward system who are forcing us to make this kind of farm.

If you give rank points for non skill things, instead a huge amount for winning a match, this is what happens.

Even if you try to nerf it, until this rank reward system changes, rank farmers will find another way.

Summaryzing, we don´t do it because it´s fun, no. It isn´t. We do it, because it would take insanely lot of time doing it “normal” at rank50/60, therefore if we want to have the next rank “some day” we should do this.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are aware of this and are taking steps to mitigate this type of play.

Before you take too many steps.
Think for a momment, why a very high number of high ranked players (Included the winners of PAX) are doing this farm.

We are doing it, because at rank 50, it´s the only way to rank up at a decent path. This is not really players fault. It´s your system´s flaws and reward system who are forcing us to make this kind of farm.

If you give rank points for non skill things, instead a huge amount for winning a match, this is what happens.

Even if you try to nerf it, until this rank reward system changes, rank farmers will find another way.

Summaryzing, we don´t do it because it´s fun, no. It isn´t. We do it, because it would take insanely lot of time doing it “normal” at rank50/60, therefore if we want to have the next rank “some day” we should do this.

It’s not the only way to rank up from 50. It takes a lot of time yes, but you don’t have to resort to exploiting like this because of that. If you can’t handle it, don’t resort to stuff like this just because you can’t. Only the most dedicated players will ever reach 70+. If this goes on however, we’ll see more and more of these farmers around that rank which is not something I wanna see. Glad to see that Anet has finally taken notice.
All in all, rank is a long term goal for the most dedicated players and there is no excuse for farming like this nor should there be shown any pity towards it.

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are aware of this and are taking steps to mitigate this type of play.

Maybe start by lowering the rankpoints needed to get to the next rank.
As someone who is working till the evening it took me a week to get from lvl 29 to 30.
This is a bad joke!
I also considered grinding, but it was not fun.
You should worry about people feeling the need to grind their rank up in a no-fun way.
You should worry because it shows that there is something missing people want.

As I now realized that it would take several years for me to reach max rank to get cultural armor (which I already have in PvE for half a year) I stopped caring at all for my rank.

TL;DR:
People grinding for Rank points is no issue – the issue is that people HAVE to grind for Rank points and having nothing to achieve in sPvP.

I don’t understand. Why is it so hard to accept that not everyone will have everything? It’s not like the developer’s threw some random numbers down into the game and said “Gee. That seems about right.” They know how long it will take you to reach upper ranks through normal play. It is supposed to. It’s supposed to be a distinguished and impressive rank; not everyone is going to be able to reach it.

And yes, I know you guys doing this are “high-ranked PVP hardcores” but you still want something to work toward while playing, yes? I would.

Knote.2904:

Not like there’s really any rewards for it, so let em grind their pixels.

Harbinger.8637:

Good to hear you are doing something about it. Overall it doesn’t really matter. If people want to waste their time grinding meaningless and a skill less rank. Go for it lol.

I hope you guys are aware that Anet is planing to make Honor points a currency that could be (for example) swapped for gold?

There are no definite plans as of yet, of course, but this is definitely something they are doing and if you didn’t get the memo, please cf. the last state of the game.

Alright, I’m off to grind as much Honor as possible before the big change happens.

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are aware of this and are taking steps to mitigate this type of play.

This is certainly an exploit of the system. Hopefully A-Net is looking at permanent bans for the players involved as well as changing the system to encourage a more fun type of play.

It always amazes me when people who are breaking the rules blame it on the system instead of taking responsibility for their own poor choice. “You made me!” Is such a grade-school response.

Aye.8392:

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are aware of this and are taking steps to mitigate this type of play.

This is certainly an exploit of the system. Hopefully A-Net is looking at permanent bans for the players involved as well as changing the system to encourage a more fun type of play.

It always amazes me when people who are breaking the rules blame it on the system instead of taking responsibility for their own poor choice. “You made me!” Is such a grade-school response.

then they would have to ban super and some of the winners of the PÂX
as well to ban the highest percentage of top players

arenanet should remove the farmed glory from those peoples who did farm glory at skyhammer map.

Edo Tensei.8254:

arenanet should remove the farmed glory from those peoples who did farm glory at skyhammer map.

There is like thousands of players who have used skyhammer farm

Nary Why Irk.8150:

Edo Tensei.8254:

arenanet should remove the farmed glory from those peoples who did farm glory at skyhammer map.

There is like thousands of players who have used skyhammer farm

Thousands ?
They were millons !!!
Something like in the last scene of <<300>> , where the arrows covert the sun !

I hope these <<farms>> to be nerfed and those WvWvW guys that came for the cool finishers , to never again visit the PvP side !! :PPP

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are aware of this and are taking steps to mitigate this type of play.

In Gw1 these kinds of farming/syncing were banable. Is this something these people might be facing as well? It is just one of the other reason I have stopped PvP.

tichorum.2415:

I don’t glory farm, but DO explain how it doesn’t take time.

It takes a lot less time to do what the op is describing then to do it the legit way. Surely you understand that is a problem? Where did anyone say it doesn’t take time even cheating.

fugazi.5139:

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are aware of this and are taking steps to mitigate this type of play.

In Gw1 these kinds of farming/syncing were banable. Is this something these people might be facing as well? It is just one of the other reason I have stopped PvP.

for your information, syncing in gw1 was never banned, and it took arenanet many years until they fixed random arena sync.

Aye.8392:

This is certainly an exploit of the system. Hopefully A-Net is looking at permanent bans for the players involved as well as changing the system to encourage a more fun type of play.

It always amazes me when people who are breaking the rules blame it on the system instead of taking responsibility for their own poor choice. “You made me!” is such a grade-school response.

And asking for permanent bans is not a petty response? How are those people even affecting the fun others are having? It’s exclusive to Skyhammer in Custom Arena’s and people actually pay a lot of gems to organise their own games!

If anything, this behaviour shows how flawed the glory rank system is and it draws away glory farming from the Hotjoin servers! I can’t believe Arena Net didn’t foresee this happening when they introduced an instant kill mechanic on Skyhammer, anyways…

soakman.7539:

I don’t understand. Why is it so hard to accept that not everyone will have everything? It’s not like the developer’s threw some random numbers down into the game and said “Gee. That seems about right.” They know how long it will take you to reach upper ranks through normal play. It is supposed to. It’s supposed to be a distinguished and impressive rank; not everyone is going to be able to reach it.

And yes, I know you guys doing this are “high-ranked PVP hardcores” but you still want something to work toward while playing, yes? I would.

I really have to ask you, just how sure of that are you?

Preyar.6783:

It’s not the only way to rank up from 50. It takes a lot of time yes, but you don’t have to resort to exploiting like this because of that. If you can’t handle it, don’t resort to stuff like this just because you can’t. Only the most dedicated players will ever reach 70+. If this goes on however, we’ll see more and more of these farmers around that rank which is not something I wanna see. Glad to see that Anet has finally taken notice.
All in all, rank is a long term goal for the most dedicated players and there is no excuse for farming like this nor should there be shown any pity towards it.

This++

i wouldnt mind of you take steps and at least ban the owner of these maps for map exploiting. just my two cents

Nary Why Irk.8150:

fugazi.5139:

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are aware of this and are taking steps to mitigate this type of play.

In Gw1 these kinds of farming/syncing were banable. Is this something these people might be facing as well? It is just one of the other reason I have stopped PvP.

for your information, syncing in gw1 was never banned, and it took arenanet many years until they fixed random arena sync.

Syncing to get on the same team in RA was not bannable. Syncing both teams in HA and CA so you could farm the “dummy” team was bannable. This circumstance is similar to the latter.

What i think they will dis is remove glory gain from custom arenas. FIXED!
So if YOU are grinding in these servers you better do it for as long as you can. it will end soon!

Volrath.1473:

What i think they will dis is remove glory gain from custom arenas. FIXED!
So if YOU are grinding in these servers you better do it for as long as you can. it will end soon!

Why punish people for not bothering with an essentially useless soloQ tournament?

Tamyr.3271:

i wouldnt mind of you take steps and at least ban the owner of these maps for map exploiting. just my two cents

Well you are the owner of one of them and you have been farming as an admin for long.
What you talking about?

First of all, do you understand that it’s the ONLY WAY TO GET DRAGON RANK WITHOUT SPENDING HALF OF YOUR LIFE IN THIS GAME???????

dragonkain.3984:

First of all, do you understand that it’s the ONLY WAY TO GET DRAGON RANK WITHOUT SPENDING HALF OF YOUR LIFE IN THIS GAME???????

+1, very mindfull. dragon rank is just no life.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

dragonkain.3984:

First of all, do you understand that it’s the ONLY WAY TO GET DRAGON RANK WITHOUT SPENDING HALF OF YOUR LIFE IN THIS GAME???????

+1, very mindfull. dragon rank is just no life.

Yeah, It’s not like we need that dragon rank or anything :P

Eh .. why ban people for this?.. PVP community is small enough and now you wanna ban the casuals that saw their chance to get some pretty skins?..

I have some good friends that did this for stupid reasons maybe even for an hour or two.. it’d be a shame if they were banned because of COMPLETELY USELESS rank/glory.

In guild wars 1 there were approximately 10 people in the whole game who, after 7 years, managed to max out their /rank title. No one ever maxed out their champion titles. This is the way it should be.
The only thing I partially agree with is cultural armor being locked to higher tiers. That being said, they have repeatedly said they are working on rewards so hopefully that will help to fix this problem.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

fugazi.5139:

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are aware of this and are taking steps to mitigate this type of play.

In Gw1 these kinds of farming/syncing were banable. Is this something these people might be facing as well? It is just one of the other reason I have stopped PvP.

for your information, syncing in gw1 was never banned, and it took arenanet many years until they fixed random arena sync.

That is not true. Champ point farming/ha farming made a massive 3k plus ban at once.

skyhammer heroes are now worse than hotjoin heroes.

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are aware of this and are taking steps to mitigate this type of play.

Direct question: Are you going to ban the players that use this bannable technique?

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct/

Specifically, point 22: “While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.”

If you don’t ban those players, what’s the message for the rest of the community who abide to the rules and try to enjoy this game?

You can’t ban them. What they are doing is silly, but the aren’t manipulating rated matches. They are clowning in servers that everyone goes to in order to clown. It is ridiculous, but they aren’t really hurting anyone.

Free 20 slot bag are nice when you have lot’s of alts and storage alts.

dragonkain.3984:

First of all, do you understand that it’s the ONLY WAY TO GET DRAGON RANK WITHOUT SPENDING HALF OF YOUR LIFE IN THIS GAME???????

This response really upsets me. In both a mad and sad kind of way. Getting to the higher ranks were suppose to take time. Just like in Guild Wars, the sweet emotes took a lot of time to get. It took years for people to max their PvP titles, with countless hours and matches.

And then we have Guild Wars 2. This “I want it now!” mentality is kittening horrible with this community. It’s apparent 90% of you didn’t invest a lot ( if any ) amount of time in the original GW. If you did, you’d expect this.

Most every rank system is a grind that only shows time played not skill in PvP games. Especially here since the rank points are the same for hotjoin and tpvp, make it like GW1 with different emotes (like /rank) for the different tiers but give the more “elite” modes like tpvp(like HA in GW1) much better/cooler ones to show off prestige and not a universal number.

Extremely lame to anyone who has been putting a legitimate effort into their rank. That Anet still hasn’t fixed the problem is just as disappointing, the damage has been done and continues to be. The ranks/titles were one of the things that kept people playing Gw1 pvp.

Should have revamped this system ages ago to only reward victories (solo/team q if you prefer) and then consider rewarding more for consecutive wins like gw1 so good (and ‘lucky’) players could rank up faster. I dont agree with gating certain skins behind ranks that most players will never achieve…but the titles and emotes should be intact as something to show for their efforts.

yeah, ive seen this server, and i totally agree its just lame, this is a good example of how unbalanced skyhammer is if you can do this kinda of farm, rank is already pretty meaningless due to hot join farm but seriously a different ranking system for people who play tourneys would be nice:}

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are aware of this and are taking steps to mitigate this type of play.

Fix your pvp rank/reward system first.