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Posted by: Urkara.9035

Urkara.9035

I did take a little break from the game and PVP already becomed a CC/Invul spam damage race ? Did actually people enjoy this ? Did actually Anet believe this is how PVP should be ? Did anyone know when will be next major PVP change will be ?

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Posted by: FOX.3582

FOX.3582

No you are right. It is one huge CC/condi fest… To bad Anet wont see their own flaws. Because this game was truly legendary…

What does the FOX say¿!

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Posted by: PierPiero.9142

PierPiero.9142

i have a question : bunker meta is kitten, damage meta is kitten becouse it is too fast to see, condi/cc meta is kitten …. so … how should it be ?

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Posted by: Urkara.9035

Urkara.9035

sorry but I never complained about players being tanky but CC and Damage meta means you cannot actually play because you’re enemies always be killing you before you can do anything and that is actually a lot worse than an undying oppenent

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Posted by: MithranArkanere.8957

MithranArkanere.8957

i have a question : bunker meta is kitten, damage meta is kitten becouse it is too fast to see, condi/cc meta is kitten …. so … how should it be ?

No meta.

There should be damage bursts. There should be condition users. There should be CC specialists, there should be supporting roles…

But there should be viable counters for them, and limitations to everything.

The very moment any single build can take any other build under 3 seconds on demand and with little cooldown, something is wrong.

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Posted by: Amineo.8951

Amineo.8951

The most people who aim their CC and wells accurately wins, this is basically team fights in a nutshell.

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Posted by: Shala.8352

Shala.8352

There’s too much condi/CC spam. This means, doesnt really matter if a CC or a condi skill doesnt hit, you have others one ready. You are not punished for missing, only exception to this is warrior, the only class that is rlly well done in this game.
I really feel like there’s no more skill in this game, when i lose i don’t feel outplayed, and when i win i don’t feel like i outplayed the opponent. is just a matter of outclass/outbuild, wich makes the game really really not interesting.
Also, the easiest build are also the most effective:

This video is the reason i m not playing the game anymore, and i wont play it again till they fix weakness strenght, corrupt boon table (or remove the corrupt boon on scepter auto), and low down all the traits/autoprocs/sigill/rune/skills that spamm condi with no logic.

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Posted by: NeXeD.3042

NeXeD.3042

nice a video of a necro fighting a bunch of people that have no idea how to fight a necro sweet.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

^^pretty much this, with june patch and HoT realease any common logic was thrown out of the window

there is no risk vs reward anymore
there is no opportunity costs anymore
just spam everything off CD, CDs are short anyway, something will hit anyway…. and most spells have so much baked in, even if one lands it can be GG
in fact you don’t even need to land anything, auras and passives will do it for you

the only classes above may not apply so much is warrior and thief hence why those 2 are not doing so well atm

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Posted by: NeXeD.3042

NeXeD.3042

just look at the dodging in that video even the necro isnt dodging the right attacks or even dodging an attack at all lol nevermind the people he is fighting.

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Posted by: Shala.8352

Shala.8352

just look at the dodging in that video even the necro isnt dodging the right attacks or even dodging an attack at all lol nevermind the people he is fighting.

no need to dodge. Weakness uptime will do the job for him. Cuz spam is more important than dodging, this is the real necro gameplay.

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Posted by: NeXeD.3042

NeXeD.3042

just look at the dodging in that video even the necro isnt dodging the right attacks or even dodging an attack at all lol nevermind the people he is fighting.

no need to dodge. Weakness uptime will do the job for him. Cuz spam is more important than dodging, this is the real necro gameplay.

only have good weakness uptime if you take curses…. so your sacrificing dmg and cover vuln on spite which can also contribute to added precision (yes curses does this too in a different way), or you are sacrificing another form of sustain in LF generation through the SR line also no dhuumfire and unblockable marks…..

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Posted by: Ravenmoon.5318

Ravenmoon.5318

i have a question : bunker meta is kitten, damage meta is kitten becouse it is too fast to see, condi/cc meta is kitten …. so … how should it be ?

There was nothing wrong with damage meta. People just didn’t know how to play against thieves. I think it was the best meta with the power shatter and berserk thief.

It has only been going downhill ever since.

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Posted by: Dahkeus.8243

Dahkeus.8243

It’s really not much different than it used to be, but if you’ve been gone for a long time and come back to a game that’s changed and play in a new meta, it’s going to seem like some big confusing spam of abilities that seem OP.

I mean, does no one remember hambow, pistol whip, turret engis, etc?

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Posted by: Dawdler.8521

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I did take a little break from the game and PVP already becomed a CC/Invul spam damage race ? Did actually people enjoy this ? Did actually Anet believe this is how PVP should be ? Did anyone know when will be next major PVP change will be ?

I thought it was obvious that Anet think that’s how PvP should be?

Otherwise they wouldnt have made HoT like it is and balanced all the classes like they are.

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Posted by: Amineo.8951

Amineo.8951

I did take a little break from the game and PVP already becomed a CC/Invul spam damage race ? Did actually people enjoy this ? Did actually Anet believe this is how PVP should be ? Did anyone know when will be next major PVP change will be ?

I thought it was obvious that Anet think that’s how PvP should be?

Otherwise they wouldnt have made HoT like it is and balanced all the classes like they are.

AOE condis and CC spam ruins team fights, Necro has way too much of it and the CDs are short, when you duel a Necro you can clearly see how bad most of them are because they all have the same rotation, aka fear → spam wells → get hit till health is around 20% → goes Reaper shroud → spam all skills → spam AA shroud → goes back to normal and heal → repeat step 1

They win most of the time against most classes because condis are broken right now, the only condi builds that feels fair when you fight them are Guardian, Warrior, Thief and Rev because they have no choice but to melee you…

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Posted by: NeXeD.3042

NeXeD.3042

Necros use wells again in pvp? What are we back to the old zerker s/d staff wells necro from the start of the game lol

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Posted by: Kuya.6495

Kuya.6495

I don’t ever recall a time a meta wasn’t complained about.

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Posted by: NeXeD.3042

NeXeD.3042

I don’t ever recall a time a meta wasn’t complained about.

Agreed 100% same crap different people depending on what classes rule the meta.

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Posted by: Yasi.9065

Yasi.9065

I have way more bad necros kitten up my matches (especially team fights) than other professions.

Just saying… cant be that easy if so many fail to even live longer than 15 seconds on teamfights.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

Malediktus.9250

I have way more bad necros kitten up my matches (especially team fights) than other professions.

Just saying… cant be that easy if so many fail to even live longer than 15 seconds on teamfights.

That is because in team fights you can get focussed and if you do not have shroud ready it is a free kill for the other team.

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Posted by: Yasi.9065

Yasi.9065

If you get focused without lifeforce, that means you ran in too early, your positioning was bad, you basically killed yourself.

For situations when I run in to cleave downed/low targets, I have flesh wurm port up… but I never run in without enough lifeforce to get out again.

Its just plain stupid and shows you havent really grasped the concept of the reaper build.