Guild Wars 2

Please make it not count as a loss, when you play less than 5 versus 5 from start to finish.
Someone has a dc before the game starts and doesnt return anymore.
You lose 4v5 and have played with 1 member less from the start.

Cant be that hard to implement it not counting as a loss right?

But I still lose PIPS in ranked when someone DC’s….how fair.

Also I see that finally someone posted on the PVP forums from ANET, could you please make some comments on the 300 other posts people have made talking about the state of this game and SPVP. We know you are here now.

Katoh.4069:

But I still lose PIPS in ranked when someone DC’s….how fair.

Also I see that finally someone posted on the PVP forums from ANET, could you please make some comments on the 300 other posts people have made talking about the state of this game and SPVP. We know you are here now.

Please. No. This not how you treat developers

If someone DCing meant you lost no pips, it would be abused and people would just DC if they are not winning to save their pip count.

Evan Lesh.3295:

This counts as a forfeit and not a loss, though it is lumped together with defeats for the statistics UI.

Thanks for posting Evan Lesh.

Serdoc.7261:

If someone DCing meant you lost no pips, it would be abused and people would just DC if they are not winning to save their pip count.

1. What I want is if someone has a dc before the game starts, that it wont be considered a loss/defeat in any way in any gamemode. Including statistics.

That cannot be abused, because the game has not even started yet.

2.You can maybe make it so that if someone has a dc once the game has started and you are behind in points, that it is still considered a loss (because otherwise it can be abused),
3.but that if you are ahead in points and someone has a dc, that its not considered a loss.

The first and third are not likely to be abused right?

Yashuoa.9527:

Evan Lesh.3295:

This counts as a forfeit and not a loss, though it is lumped together with defeats for the statistics UI.

Thanks for posting Even Lesh.

Serdoc.7261:

If someone DCing meant you lost no pips, it would be abused and people would just DC if they are not winning to save their pip count.

What I want is if someone has a dc before the game starts, that it wont be considered a loss/defeat in any way in any gamemode. Including statistics.

That cannot be abused, because the game has not even started yet.

You can maybe make it so that if someone has a dc once the game has started and you are behind in points, that it is still considered a loss (because otherwise it can be abused),
but that if you are ahead in points and someone has a dc, that its not considered a loss.

The second is not likely to be abused right?

It can be abused. You see a full premade and you’re like, sorry not losing today and disconnect during prep.

Pyriall.1683:

Yashuoa.9527:

Evan Lesh.3295:

This counts as a forfeit and not a loss, though it is lumped together with defeats for the statistics UI.

Thanks for posting Even Lesh.

Serdoc.7261:

If someone DCing meant you lost no pips, it would be abused and people would just DC if they are not winning to save their pip count.

What I want is if someone has a dc before the game starts, that it wont be considered a loss/defeat in any way in any gamemode. Including statistics.

That cannot be abused, because the game has not even started yet.

You can maybe make it so that if someone has a dc once the game has started and you are behind in points, that it is still considered a loss (because otherwise it can be abused),
but that if you are ahead in points and someone has a dc, that its not considered a loss.

The second is not likely to be abused right?

It can be abused. You see a full premade and you’re like, sorry not losing today and disconnect during prep.

You could make the teammate appear later once the gate has opened. Or you could make it only count before the teamname is shown.

Yashuoa.9527:

Pyriall.1683:

Yashuoa.9527:

Evan Lesh.3295:

This counts as a forfeit and not a loss, though it is lumped together with defeats for the statistics UI.

Thanks for posting Even Lesh.

Serdoc.7261:

If someone DCing meant you lost no pips, it would be abused and people would just DC if they are not winning to save their pip count.

What I want is if someone has a dc before the game starts, that it wont be considered a loss/defeat in any way in any gamemode. Including statistics.

That cannot be abused, because the game has not even started yet.

You can maybe make it so that if someone has a dc once the game has started and you are behind in points, that it is still considered a loss (because otherwise it can be abused),
but that if you are ahead in points and someone has a dc, that its not considered a loss.

The second is not likely to be abused right?

It can be abused. You see a full premade and you’re like, sorry not losing today and disconnect during prep.

You could make the teammate appear later once the gate has opened. Or you could make it only count before the teamname is shown.

I look at my team and I see someone that annoys me and is guaranteed to cost me a win…disconnect. It’s easily abused.

Katoh.4069:

Also I see that finally someone posted on the PVP forums from ANET, could you please make some comments on the 300 other posts people have made talking about the state of this game and SPVP. We know you are here now.

Evan Lesh is a programmer
doesn’t have anything to do with class balance

Pyriall.1683:

Yashuoa.9527:

Pyriall.1683:

Yashuoa.9527:

Evan Lesh.3295:

This counts as a forfeit and not a loss, though it is lumped together with defeats for the statistics UI.

Thanks for posting Even Lesh.

Serdoc.7261:

If someone DCing meant you lost no pips, it would be abused and people would just DC if they are not winning to save their pip count.

What I want is if someone has a dc before the game starts, that it wont be considered a loss/defeat in any way in any gamemode. Including statistics.

That cannot be abused, because the game has not even started yet.

You can maybe make it so that if someone has a dc once the game has started and you are behind in points, that it is still considered a loss (because otherwise it can be abused),
but that if you are ahead in points and someone has a dc, that its not considered a loss.

The second is not likely to be abused right?

It can be abused. You see a full premade and you’re like, sorry not losing today and disconnect during prep.

You could make the teammate appear later once the gate has opened. Or you could make it only count before the teamname is shown.

I look at my team and I see someone that annoys me and is guaranteed to cost me a win…disconnect. It’s easily abused.

That is quite a kittenty attutude tbh.

So to sum it up, basically nothing can be done to help a team where someone goes afk/has a dc?
Nothing can be done at the very start and not later in the match either,
because there are people who would abuse it?

Maybe they could make someone lose pip and defeat/loss in stats when they dc more than once a day, so it doesnt get abused? Or something similar to avoid people abusing it.

Yashuoa.9527:

Pyriall.1683:

Yashuoa.9527:

Pyriall.1683:

Yashuoa.9527:

Evan Lesh.3295:

This counts as a forfeit and not a loss, though it is lumped together with defeats for the statistics UI.

Thanks for posting Even Lesh.

Serdoc.7261:

If someone DCing meant you lost no pips, it would be abused and people would just DC if they are not winning to save their pip count.

What I want is if someone has a dc before the game starts, that it wont be considered a loss/defeat in any way in any gamemode. Including statistics.

That cannot be abused, because the game has not even started yet.

You can maybe make it so that if someone has a dc once the game has started and you are behind in points, that it is still considered a loss (because otherwise it can be abused),
but that if you are ahead in points and someone has a dc, that its not considered a loss.

The second is not likely to be abused right?

It can be abused. You see a full premade and you’re like, sorry not losing today and disconnect during prep.

You could make the teammate appear later once the gate has opened. Or you could make it only count before the teamname is shown.

I look at my team and I see someone that annoys me and is guaranteed to cost me a win…disconnect. It’s easily abused.

That is quite a kittenty attutude tbh.

So to sum it up, basically nothing can be done to help a team where someone goes afk/has a dc?
Nothing can be done at the very start and not later in the match either,
because there are people who would abuse it?

Maybe they could make someone lose pip and defeat/loss in stats when they dc more than once a day, so it doesnt get abused? Or something similar to avoid people abusing it.

There’s going to be more people who would intentionally abuse the system then there are going to be who legitimately dc.

Evan Lesh.3295:

This counts as a forfeit and not a loss, though it is lumped together with defeats for the statistics UI.

Evan, please correct me if i’m wrong.

To the best of my understanding, in the current game design. A player who disconnects during a match receives dishonor and a loss, the rest of their team receives a forfeit and no pip loss. If a player disconnects before a game starts they receive dishonor and a forfeit, and their team receives a forfeit.

This system cannot be abused by players intentionally disconnecting as they will receive a loss.

Evan Lesh.3295:

This has been coming up a lot recently, so I’ll post the rules all at once:

Red player 1 disconnects for 2 minutes and gets dishonor.
Red player 1 gets a desertion and loses pips no matter what the outcome of the match is.

If red team wins:
Red player 2-5 get a victory and pips.

If red team loses:
Red player 2-5 get a forfeit and do not lose pips. This still shows as a defeat in the UI.
Except:
Any red players (2-5) in the same party as red player 1 get a defeat and still loses pips. This prevents players from disconnecting to save their friends from losing pips.

The reason people still lost pips when teammates disconnected during the end of season 1 was because of a bug in desertion detection. This should not be the case for season 2 and will work as described above.

Thanks for making it clear.

Would be nice if it also didnt show as a defeat/loss in the statistics/UI, if that is possible.

Evan Lesh.3295:

The reason people still lost pips when teammates disconnected during the end of season 1 was because of a bug in desertion detection. This should not be the case for season 2 and will work as described above.

im pretty sure i lost about 1 tier of pips due to this bug. so glad its getting squished.

Timston.1976:

Katoh.4069:

But I still lose PIPS in ranked when someone DC’s….how fair.

Also I see that finally someone posted on the PVP forums from ANET, could you please make some comments on the 300 other posts people have made talking about the state of this game and SPVP. We know you are here now.

Please. No. This not how you treat developers

It may not be nice, but I feel like everyone is forgotten on these forums. Watch other forums, PVE/Dungeons etc. they comment and make posts all the time. It seems this never happens. Im not saying they need to offer solutions in there posts, but at least acknowledge our existence and our concerns. I have played MMO after MMO and this one has the least amount of player support than any. If I am the only one that feels that way maybe someone can enlighten me, but I am sure I am not.

Evan Lesh.3295:

This has been coming up a lot recently, so I’ll post the rules all at once:

Red player 1 disconnects for 2 minutes and gets dishonor.
Red player 1 gets a desertion and loses pips no matter what the outcome of the match is.

If red team wins:
Red player 2-5 get a victory and pips.

If red team loses:
Red player 2-5 get a forfeit and do not lose pips. This still shows as a defeat in the UI.
Except:
Any red players (2-5) in the same party as red player 1 get a defeat and still loses pips. This prevents players from disconnecting to save their friends from losing pips.

Seems perfect to me.
Great Job!

Katoh.4069:

Timston.1976:

Katoh.4069:

But I still lose PIPS in ranked when someone DC’s….how fair.

Also I see that finally someone posted on the PVP forums from ANET, could you please make some comments on the 300 other posts people have made talking about the state of this game and SPVP. We know you are here now.

Please. No. This not how you treat developers

It may not be nice, but I feel like everyone is forgotten on these forums. Watch other forums, PVE/Dungeons etc. they comment and make posts all the time. It seems this never happens. Im not saying they need to offer solutions in there posts, but at least acknowledge our existence and our concerns. I have played MMO after MMO and this one has the least amount of player support than any. If I am the only one that feels that way maybe someone can enlighten me, but I am sure I am not.

What you write here sounds more fair.

I think it had more to do with the tone in which you wrote that other post at the start of the thread. To demanding and unfriendly (or not nice as you put it). That is probably what made it be disliked.

Katoh.4069:

Also I see that finally someone posted on the PVP forums from ANET, could you please make some comments on the 300 other posts people have made talking about the state of this game and SPVP. We know you are here now.

Written like this probably out of frustration, which is understandable (due to the mentioned lack in acknowledgement for community concerns), but its still not the way to go.

You are not the only one who would feels like:

Katoh.4069:

but I feel like everyone is forgotten on these forums.

Im not saying they need to offer solutions in there posts, but at least acknowledge our existence and our concerns.

If I am the only one that feels that way maybe someone can enlighten me, but I am sure I am not.

Also I am not sure if this thread is the place to get replies from Anet for this.
As it is about disconnects and Evan entered here to give feedback regarding that subject.

I dont think its right that if someone from Anet pops in a thread about a subject like disconnects, that replies regarding other subjects are thrown at them and especially not in the tone that you did it.

Otherwise they cant enter anywhere from time to time without people firing posts regarding other subjects at them.

Evan Lesh.3295:

This counts as a forfeit and not a loss, though it is lumped together with defeats for the statistics UI.

Cant it count as a dc/forfeit in the statistics ui? In both ranked and unranked?