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Posted by: SquidONE.2908

SquidONE.2908

I’ve played 108 games so far this season. An astonishing 28% win ratio. Yay! No other (“e-sports”) game I’ve played had put me trough such a misery and raised my frustration level so high to make me vent on forums.

In more than half of the games I’ve been teamed up with parties made of sapphire and amber players against full sapphire enemies. Apparently people think it’s cool to team up with amber players to play ranked against former diamonds/legends. And the system thought is cool to place me on their side every time.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/PwQ2JCM.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/xfOD0Ln.jpg[/img]

50/50 you say? not even close.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/rjG7E3g.jpg[/img]

close matchups? only blowouts.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/seZITYq.jpg[/img]

My PvP story:

I finished in ruby 1st season and diamond in the 2nd. I may be the worst player that got into diamond and I’m fine with that. I don’t care about legend. I care about the wings.

This season I’ve been placed straight into sapphire. Played a match and got my rewards, one step closer to those wings. Played some more. 9 games in a row lost playing guardian. Switched to necro and revenant till I won 20 games out of 50-55 games played. (40% win ratio not so bad taking into account I’ve been playing against former diamond/legends).

Switched to warrior to get the league profession elite achievement. 10 more wins I say. How hard can that be? 20-30 games more and I’m done with it. Turned out to be another 50 games.

8 more days and I’ll get the last achievement. Never again will step foot into PvP area after that. Never again.

P.S.: Save your “l2p” and “git gud” reply’s. I don’t want to cross another division. My nightmare is over.

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Posted by: Deimos Tel Arin.7391

Deimos Tel Arin.7391

108 games in season 3 ?
that’s way too many games.

we are like, what? 3rd or 4th day into season 3 ?
if 4 day, that’s 108 / 4 = 27 games per day

3 games per hour
9 hours per day ??? ?$ #$^#$^@

so far i only played 3 games in season 3, well, 4, but the 1st game was a desertion since gw2 client refused to cooperate with my internet service provider. my 2nd, 3rd, 4th games were wins so i’m at 4/20 emerald now. i got to ruby in both season 1 and season 2.

i think you played too much.
quality over quantity perhaps ?

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Posted by: Jake.5279

Jake.5279

just hit ruby, 112 played 60 won. started in emerald cuz kitten last season as a thief. Stick with 1 class you’re best at and you’ll eventually get through the slog.

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Posted by: HipposWild.7185

HipposWild.7185

SERIOUSLY every season is like this. They’ll pump unreasonable amounts of money into pro league tournaments for a few dozen people and just completely blow off actually improving the game. Honestly what kittenty MBA inspired this approach? How long has it been while your matchmaking system is still a joke made of wet garbage?

There is an insane room for improvement in the current matchmaking system. HOW IS IT STILL SO BAD AFTER ALL THIS TIME????

NO ONE IS GOING TO BUY AN EXPANSION FOR A GAME THEY STOPPED PLAYING!!!!!

#1 of all #1 players as ranked by a fair and unbiased committee

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Posted by: DeferentUrchin.7064

DeferentUrchin.7064

SERIOUSLY every season is like this. They’ll pump unreasonable amounts of money into pro league tournaments for a few dozen people and just completely blow off actually improving the game. Honestly what kittenty MBA inspired this approach? How long has it been while your matchmaking system is still a joke made of wet garbage?

There is an insane room for improvement in the current matchmaking system. HOW IS IT STILL SO BAD AFTER ALL THIS TIME????

NO ONE IS GOING TO BUY AN EXPANSION FOR A GAME THEY STOPPED PLAYING!!!!!

Cus they aren’t good at their jobs.

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Posted by: Niksuli.9751

Niksuli.9751

tl;dr you just spam games, are likely on tilt and aren’t improving. In a MOBA you would be the kind of guy who’s in bronze and claims that his teammates are kitten and that’s why he can’t climb.

guildless and toxic

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Posted by: Asrat.2645

Asrat.2645

Not impressed.
So far almost everyone who complained about matchmaking (this season) blames it falsely and actually suffers from completely different issues, if any issues at all.
But this thread. OP is ok, at least blaming their own performance, not their team’s
But everyone else…so much ignorance…
Just the thought that some people still dont know where PL financing comes from…

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Posted by: dominik.9721

dominik.9721

What the kitten I played way too much and have only 36 games so far

Grimkram [sS]

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Posted by: AivenPrimus.9184

AivenPrimus.9184

More or less S3 matchmaking punishes players, who were Diamond/Legendary, last season…

Here i thought S3 will be a breeze also, since I had 60%+ win rate in S1 and S2 and matches were pretty much decent…

But S3…. ohhh boi
I won my first 3 in a row matches….then lost one, won, lost, won…
then it began…

After 18 lost matches I finally won 1 game…. by 30 points…. (great),
and back to lose streak…

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Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573

ZudetGambeous.9573

Matchmaking is just a bad joke. If anet is trying to drive players away from PvP this season will do it. If they don’t fix it in the next few days i’ll just wash my hands of it and be done. you had a potential PvP player after S2, you’ve lost me now.

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Posted by: Mightybird.6034

Mightybird.6034

MM is broken IMO (I actually have a decent win rate FYI) not because of some of these loss rates ppl are reporting but because of WIN rates, you get some players who go 30 wins 1 loss.

Having a 99% win rate soloqing in a comp TEAM game shouldn’t be possible. No one is that good not even pros.

Look at any other successful comp game. No one except hackers have that sort of win rate (not sayin theyre hackers, sayin MM is still rigged.)

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Posted by: Electra.7530

Electra.7530

I wanted to hear about the Season 3 matchmaking system. Last season was a nightmare and I recall one of the Anet pvp devs commenting in a thread that they were “aware of problems the matchmaking system was causing” and working on correcting or improving it or whatever.

That, to me, means there was some problem they were aware of and had fixed for the new season.

But, I’m not the best pvp’r in any game, but I’m also not the worst and odds are that I should not be losing 10-15 matches in a row. Odds don’t favor those kinds of losing streaks for any player in any game.

So, with that said, I will not be participating in pvp this season as the matchmaking queue sounds like it is the same as last season’s. I just don’t need the anguish and frustration.

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Posted by: Phoebe Ascension.8437

Phoebe Ascension.8437

Same kitten. It’s a dice roll. 3 kinda of matches: you get all the bad mmr players, you get your (medium most of time) mmr player in team (good/ok chance to win), you get best mmr players in your team (almost certainly win).

Like one time, I personally did almost everything good i could do on thief. I decapped 7x, capped 2x (that had good use cause the point stayed capped for a while), won 3 duels concerning those cap points, +1 4x mid to make the fight go from loosing it to winning it, saved the lord kill. At the end, the ppl decided (with a double cap on our side), to suicide on the point that had 5 enemy players. Score was very close (440 vers 450 from us). The zerg won very quickly, got the points from kills, decapped fast, then zerged me down. Even the boss i stole last second, (25 pointsn for enemy but for my team cause my actions), was not enough to win the match.

After that match i started to think different. Usually i’m between ‘Did i make tons of mistake, could I improve’? and ‘what mistakes did my teammates make’. Now i knew for certain I did (almost) make no mistakes.

With that in mind, Arenanets system is basically at fault for this matchup.

But there’s even worse matchups: afk ppl, leeching ppl, or other ‘worse ppl’ in your team versus slightly higher mmr (to my feeling) enemies. blowout for enmey. The ‘worse ppl’ i mean ppl like a necromancer i met. He litteraly said ‘i have more points then you (pvp score) so i did my job, you are all loosers. You know what he did? He camped close all the game, lost all fights concerning it (he just recapped it on reswpawn). Because of his lack of strategy, the enemy did perfect splits 5 mid (to zerg us) then one player to our necro (who lost all duels), then back to mid, etc, they had 2-3 cap all game because of it. And our team really fought well, at some point we almost won a 3 vs 4 at mid, but a player just in time had a strong cooldown back, wich costed us the battle. The 4 players at the end agree’d, that necromancer costed us the chance to win (not saying we would have won, but we might have been close to win at least (400-500 or closer).

Then suddenly i get 8 wins. 3 first was like the game was trying to compensate for my loss streak (finally) (good mmr ppl in my team). The next 2, were incredible close games, i fought at my edges as thief to mathematically get the most points out of it’s capabilities. I think the game expected us to loss but we beat the system Then we were 3 points behind in foefire all the time. I moved so fast to 1 to prevent us from a wipe (at start we had wipe at mid). I barely had time to cap/decap. Then they rushed our lord. I first capped a point ( decap of them) to give us a slight score adventage, then run like mad to the lord. I used my best rotations i could to interrupt the enemies (luckely they didnt have much strong cooldowns left), and just before lord died, we stomped them all. Result, the point tick that i realized during the lord defence, gave us the win at that time of the lord defence. A game i think that was meant to be lost.

Then i had two games wich (one) weak enemy player, either afk, or not doing what he has to do for his team. Those were free wins. Then I had the usual win, loss win loss, win loss again for about 8 matches. After that I got 3 loss in row (the enemies i beat a few matches ago in my team now, felt like it was meant to be lost).

A few theories:

Players with medium mmr are in bad spot (system doesn’t cope well for them). Why? The game seems to favor large groups of ‘bad mmr players’ and large groups of ‘good mmr ppl’ (to have them raise faster). Medium mmr is a toss up what the game does with you. Sometimes you get a great medium versus medium match but those seem rare. The game seems to use the medium queue’ers, to fill in the blanks of ‘good mmr /bad mmr) teams. And this plays in disadvantage for fair matches for those players. I had other players like this too, just above average (55-60% win rate if it’s fair matches) sort of players, that get pulled in this kind of way down. Wich raises my suspician this is correct.

The game wants ‘better mmr’ player quicker in higher divisions, using the medium/low mmr brackets as a punishment group at first, to get this action done, rather then let even from start have high lvl ESL players or just below meet each other yet already.

The ‘filler matches’ (aka to much ppl queue, it fills both the ‘good mmr’ and the ‘bad mmr brackets’, but then there’s 2 left overs (a good and a bad team, with nobody else queueing). So it pulls those two together in an unbalanced match. It seems these matches do not count towards the 50/50 ratio the game is striving for. It’s ‘necessary evil’, and in such won’t be compensated cause it would make things even more complex. That is my feel at least.

The best thing is class balance. Though certain setups still have huge advantage over others. I found now a good way to rotate mostly between 2 professions to keep a good rate to be flexible enough in the team yet have good enough profession knowledge to use it in high level pvp. But most profession can now do great things.

Legendary weapons can be hidden now!
No excuse anymore for not giving ‘hide mounts’-option
No thanks to unidentified weapons.

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Posted by: Spartacus.3192

Spartacus.3192

108 games in season 3 ?
that’s way too many games.

we are like, what? 3rd or 4th day into season 3 ?
if 4 day, that’s 108 / 4 = 27 games per day

3 games per hour
9 hours per day ??? ?$ #$^#$^@

so far i only played 3 games in season 3, well, 4, but the 1st game was a desertion since gw2 client refused to cooperate with my internet service provider. my 2nd, 3rd, 4th games were wins so i’m at 4/20 emerald now. i got to ruby in both season 1 and season 2.

i think you played too much.
quality over quantity perhaps ?

Even 4 games per hour means almost 7 hours of pvp per day for 4 days.
You could easily be on a tilt, affecting your gameplay.

What was the advice last season? If you lose 3 in a row, step away from the keyboard and come back in a couple hours or better yet the next day. Otherwise you will continue to be placed with the same group of people. There is simply not a big enough population to provide varied team mates within a specific MMR/Pip range.

Your typical average gamer -
“Buff my main class, nerf everything else. "

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Posted by: displacedTitan.6897

displacedTitan.6897

108 games in season 3 ?
that’s way too many games.

we are like, what? 3rd or 4th day into season 3 ?
if 4 day, that’s 108 / 4 = 27 games per day

3 games per hour
9 hours per day ??? ?$ #$^#$^@

so far i only played 3 games in season 3, well, 4, but the 1st game was a desertion since gw2 client refused to cooperate with my internet service provider. my 2nd, 3rd, 4th games were wins so i’m at 4/20 emerald now. i got to ruby in both season 1 and season 2.

i think you played too much.
quality over quantity perhaps ?

Even 4 games per hour means almost 7 hours of pvp per day for 4 days.
You could easily be on a tilt, affecting your gameplay.

What was the advice last season? If you lose 3 in a row, step away from the keyboard and come back in a couple hours or better yet the next day. Otherwise you will continue to be placed with the same group of people. There is simply not a big enough population to provide varied team mates within a specific MMR/Pip range.

There are enough people, you just cant Queue right away. The same thing will happen in DOTA2 if you queue back to back to back. You will get a bunch of the same people since you all have around the same MMR and are queuing at the same time. They matching algorithm doesn’t care if you just played with those people, it only cares about number (MMR/Pip) balance.

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Posted by: Lord Hammer Hand.4815

Lord Hammer Hand.4815

holy Shayt people played 100_ games already at season 3? here i am at 15 games played LOL and im here thinking i played to much.

Pacific Islander Legion [NoyP]
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Posted by: TalleFjanten.7159

TalleFjanten.7159

I’ve played 108 games so far this season. An astonishing 28% win ratio. Yay! No other (“e-sports”) game I’ve played had put me trough such a misery and raised my frustration level so high to make me vent on forums.

In more than half of the games I’ve been teamed up with parties made of sapphire and amber players against full sapphire enemies. Apparently people think it’s cool to team up with amber players to play ranked against former diamonds/legends. And the system thought is cool to place me on their side every time.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/PwQ2JCM.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/xfOD0Ln.jpg[/img]

50/50 you say? not even close.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/rjG7E3g.jpg[/img]

close matchups? only blowouts.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/seZITYq.jpg[/img]

My PvP story:

I finished in ruby 1st season and diamond in the 2nd. I may be the worst player that got into diamond and I’m fine with that. I don’t care about legend. I care about the wings.

This season I’ve been placed straight into sapphire. Played a match and got my rewards, one step closer to those wings. Played some more. 9 games in a row lost playing guardian. Switched to necro and revenant till I won 20 games out of 50-55 games played. (40% win ratio not so bad taking into account I’ve been playing against former diamond/legends).

Switched to warrior to get the league profession elite achievement. 10 more wins I say. How hard can that be? 20-30 games more and I’m done with it. Turned out to be another 50 games.

8 more days and I’ll get the last achievement. Never again will step foot into PvP area after that. Never again.

P.S.: Save your “l2p” and “git gud” reply’s. I don’t want to cross another division. My nightmare is over.

wow, 108 games, thats quite some work.

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Posted by: AsiraasiB.7165

AsiraasiB.7165

lmao I cant wait to get home so I can post my tears too

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Posted by: Chase.8415

Chase.8415

I guess this season I am on the losing side of MMR, currently my stats are 28 games and only 8 wins. Currently on a 8 loss streak. About 80% of my losses are complete blowouts. Never had this issue the last season.

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Posted by: warbignime.4610

warbignime.4610

Maybe spam games when you are on a lose streak and tilted is not the best idea. I mean it’s like gold rule of Dota, don’t spam games when you are losing, calm down, try to find out what you are doing wrong, improve and then play.

Some must fight so that all may be free.

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Posted by: Crowley.8761

Crowley.8761

First people are angry about S3 not starting.
Then they are angry about S3 itself.

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Posted by: Chase.8415

Chase.8415

Maybe spam games when you are on a lose streak and tilted is not the best idea. I mean it’s like gold rule of Dota, don’t spam games when you are losing, calm down, try to find out what you are doing wrong, improve and then play.

I’ve played PvP every single day since it started, I lose every single day.

This strategy doesn’t really work.

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Posted by: fishball.7204

fishball.7204

When most games you lose are because of team mates running subpar builds (eg. core guardian on staff, core warrior hundred blades, core ranger etc) there really isn’t much you can do.

Heck, I even had a game with an abjured guy on my team who was like 5000% better than me at least. No way our MMRs were in any way similar or their system is broken af. Now imagine an average player queuing up and getting total keyboard turning rallybots because that’s the distance between me and the abjured dude.

FOR THE GREEEEEEEEEEEEN

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Posted by: warbignime.4610

warbignime.4610

Maybe spam games when you are on a lose streak and tilted is not the best idea. I mean it’s like gold rule of Dota, don’t spam games when you are losing, calm down, try to find out what you are doing wrong, improve and then play.

I’ve played PvP every single day since it started, I lose every single day.

This strategy doesn’t really work.

Play a lot of games doesn’t automatically make you are great players, there are plenty of players spam thousands of game and still don’t know how to rotate properly.

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Posted by: Chase.8415

Chase.8415

Maybe spam games when you are on a lose streak and tilted is not the best idea. I mean it’s like gold rule of Dota, don’t spam games when you are losing, calm down, try to find out what you are doing wrong, improve and then play.

I’ve played PvP every single day since it started, I lose every single day.

This strategy doesn’t really work.

Play a lot of games doesn’t automatically make you are great players, there are plenty of players spam thousands of game and still don’t know how to rotate properly.

I’ve never had this issue in the former seasons. I am asking for at least a chance to win, not complete blowouts.

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Posted by: Pedrobz.2908

Pedrobz.2908

Rubyhell kind of player.
You play warrior, so u can learn a lot if you see this guy playing…
https://www.twitch.tv/zeromis1/v/66252243

Stop blaming mmr, they find ranking to match not brain/personal skill. Only u can make the difference in something like that.
A lot of players advance, and a lot will stuck. MMr fault? I don’t think so.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

Rubyhell kind of player.
You play warrior, so u can learn a lot if you see this guy playing…
https://www.twitch.tv/zeromis1/v/66252243

Stop blaming mmr, they find ranking to match not brain/personal skill. Only u can make the difference in something like that.
A lot of players advance, and a lot will stuck. MMr fault? I don’t think so.

Do you really think so? Ruby~~~~

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