Guild Wars 2

Dear devs please nerf runes of vampirism……………

nerf mesmers, eles and co. first…… vamp is kind of needed with all the dmg flying around

Cynz.9437:

nerf mesmers, eles and co. first…… vamp is kind of needed with all the dmg flying around

He’s right.
First you need to nerf the burst of every class that has the potential to burst.
SOooo basically every class needs to not be able to burst.
Mostly thieves though.

Solori.6025:

Cynz.9437:

nerf mesmers, eles and co. first…… vamp is kind of needed with all the dmg flying around

He’s right.
First you need to nerf the burst of every class that has the potential to burst.
SOooo basically every class needs to not be able to burst.
Mostly thieves though.

there is burst and then there is ability to one shot things w/o any tell while having good survival/mobility/control in 1 build

Please nerf thieves.

DaShi.1368:

Please nerf thieves.

oh go ahead…. given that all devs ever did is nerfing them, maybe they will end up buffing them instead considering how clueless they are about the class~

the guy responsible for thieves managed to embarass himself on POI by not knowing thief traits

Cynz.9437:

Solori.6025:

Cynz.9437:

nerf mesmers, eles and co. first…… vamp is kind of needed with all the dmg flying around

He’s right.
First you need to nerf the burst of every class that has the potential to burst.
SOooo basically every class needs to not be able to burst.
Mostly thieves though.

there is burst and then there is ability to one shot things w/o any tell while having good survival/mobility/control in 1 build

lol a thief asking about burst without tells.

Am I missing something? Vamp Runes have never been an issue for me…except when I use them >.<
Always manages to cancel my heal mid-fight and then cause me to die 3 seconds later.
When my opponents use them, they usually have the same fate.

Zenith.7301:

Cynz.9437:

Solori.6025:

Cynz.9437:

nerf mesmers, eles and co. first…… vamp is kind of needed with all the dmg flying around

He’s right.
First you need to nerf the burst of every class that has the potential to burst.
SOooo basically every class needs to not be able to burst.
Mostly thieves though.

there is burst and then there is ability to one shot things w/o any tell while having good survival/mobility/control in 1 build

lol a thief asking about burst without tells.

i am sry but against common misinformation average backstab is around 4k, maybe if all stars align around 8-9k on squishy…. for anything higher you need to run full glass signet build thus sacrificing almost everything in survival/moblity department

meanwhile mes can nuke for 13+K while running relative high survival/moblity/CC

never ever i had to run vamp runes vs any thieves nor i would if mesmers weren’t in state they are now; they are literary sole reason why you are forced into that rune

I knew you’d change topic away from “burst without tells” after realizing you precious burst has no actual tells, just guess work.

Zenith.7301:

I knew you’d change topic away from “burst without tells” after realizing you precious burst has no actual tells, just guess work.

i am not going away from topic…. if you think that stealth burst from thieves is OP, sure let’s nerf it (it is not backstab that kills you 99% of the time, fyi…. but keep living in illusion that backstab is OP and reason why people run vamp runes lol)

Cynz.9437:

Zenith.7301:

I knew you’d change topic away from “burst without tells” after realizing you precious burst has no actual tells, just guess work.

i am not going away from topic…. if you think that stealth burst from thieves is OP, sure let’s nerf it (it is not backstab that kills you 99% of the time, fyi…. but keep living in illusion that backstab is OP and reason why people run vamp runes lol)

You are changing topics.

You complained a burst not having any tells, presumably mind wrack, without realizing that thief burst is all the same, especially when you can stealth before hand and pull tricks like porting through a wall to burst someone down without them having direct line of sight to see you coming.

Thief burst has no tell. There’s no animation for a backstab under stealth.

Thief steal has no tells. It’s virtually a mechanic without counter, unlike others who have a cast time and animation a thief just ports instantly to you and gets an item without counterplay, in the case of a mesmer 10 seconds of every boon, which is just dumb but it’s not just the mesmer steal that’s dumb.

A thief is in no position to whine about the lack of tells, they’ve got so many skills without tells to begin with.

Zenith.7301:

Cynz.9437:

Zenith.7301:

I knew you’d change topic away from “burst without tells” after realizing you precious burst has no actual tells, just guess work.

i am not going away from topic…. if you think that stealth burst from thieves is OP, sure let’s nerf it (it is not backstab that kills you 99% of the time, fyi…. but keep living in illusion that backstab is OP and reason why people run vamp runes lol)

You are changing topics.

You complained a burst not having any tells, presumably mind wrack, without realizing that thief burst is all the same, especially when you can stealth before hand and pull tricks like porting through a wall to burst someone down without them having direct line of sight to see you coming.

Thief burst has no tell. There’s no animation for a backstab under stealth.

Thief steal has no tells. It’s virtually a mechanic without counter, unlike others who have a cast time and animation a thief just ports instantly to you and gets an item without counterplay, in the case of a mesmer 10 seconds of every boon, which is just dumb but it’s not just the mesmer steal that’s dumb.

A thief is in no position to whine about the lack of tells, they’ve got so many skills without tells to begin with.

Thief burst doesn’t instagib anyone…. at least not with normal build. Mesmer can run plenty of survival and CC while being able to instantly down someone from stealth. Once again, i wouldn’t touch rune of vamp pre patch, now i have no choice because of mesmers.

Actually thief has all right to complain about high burst with no tell, while other classes have way of dmg mitigation or simply high HP which allows them react in case they get nuked, thief just gets instagibbed. Once again, backstab is NOT the reason why vamp is mandatory and nerfs to the spell wouldn’t change anything.

Oh and just in case you actually have any interest in listening: do you know why warriors have highest HP in game and a lot of survivability? Because their spells have huge tells and long animations. Now take a guess why thief spells have short animations or are instant. Just a hint: a thief would die before he could ever execute earthshaker.

vamp runes is fine.

……nerf… OP…..

Cynz.9437:

Zenith.7301:

Cynz.9437:

Zenith.7301:

I knew you’d change topic away from “burst without tells” after realizing you precious burst has no actual tells, just guess work.

i am not going away from topic…. if you think that stealth burst from thieves is OP, sure let’s nerf it (it is not backstab that kills you 99% of the time, fyi…. but keep living in illusion that backstab is OP and reason why people run vamp runes lol)

You are changing topics.

You complained a burst not having any tells, presumably mind wrack, without realizing that thief burst is all the same, especially when you can stealth before hand and pull tricks like porting through a wall to burst someone down without them having direct line of sight to see you coming.

Thief burst has no tell. There’s no animation for a backstab under stealth.

Thief steal has no tells. It’s virtually a mechanic without counter, unlike others who have a cast time and animation a thief just ports instantly to you and gets an item without counterplay, in the case of a mesmer 10 seconds of every boon, which is just dumb but it’s not just the mesmer steal that’s dumb.

A thief is in no position to whine about the lack of tells, they’ve got so many skills without tells to begin with.

Thief burst doesn’t instagib anyone…. at least not with normal build. Mesmer can run plenty of survival and CC while being able to instantly down someone from stealth. Once again, i wouldn’t touch rune of vamp pre patch, now i have no choice because of mesmers.

Actually thief has all right to complain about high burst with no tell, while other classes have way of dmg mitigation or simply high HP which allows them react in case they get nuked, thief just gets instagibbed. Once again, backstab is NOT the reason why vamp is mandatory and nerfs to the spell wouldn’t change anything.

Oh and just in case you actually have any interest in listening: do you know why warriors have highest HP in game and a lot of survivability? Because their spells have huge tells and long animations. Now take a guess why thief spells have short animations or are instant. Just a hint: a thief would die before he could ever execute earthshaker.

@Zenith, @Cynz is right here. The ‘burst without tells’ is the thief’s backstab, which got nerfed ages ago. That initial backstab barely hits over 4k these days, 6k on a lucky day. What downs you is what comes after that first hit, ‘basi/backstab’ is the tell and if you’re to slow to break out of it, then ya, you can’t complain about getting bursted down.

If something is so OP, why do none of you play it?

Zenith.7301:

Thief steal has no tells. It’s virtually a mechanic without counter, unlike others who have a cast time and animation a thief just ports instantly to you and gets an item without counterplay, in the case of a mesmer 10 seconds of every boon, which is just dumb but it’s not just the mesmer steal that’s dumb.

A thief is in no position to whine about the lack of tells, they’ve got so many skills without tells to begin with.

how is Steal a burst though? if you want to talk about skills without tells in general, what about meditations, cantrips, shouts, readied mantras oh this list is long.

It’s not like Steal and readied Venoms are themselves burst skills.

nerf everything this game sucks

ChoChoBo.6503:

Zenith.7301:

Thief steal has no tells. It’s virtually a mechanic without counter, unlike others who have a cast time and animation a thief just ports instantly to you and gets an item without counterplay, in the case of a mesmer 10 seconds of every boon, which is just dumb but it’s not just the mesmer steal that’s dumb.

A thief is in no position to whine about the lack of tells, they’ve got so many skills without tells to begin with.

how is Steal a burst though? if you want to talk about skills without tells in general, what about meditations, cantrips, shouts, readied mantras oh this list is long.

It’s not like Steal and readied Venoms are themselves burst skills.

Steal is a class mechanic, not a utility skill. Ranger pet skills have cast times. Warrior burst skills have cast times. Mesmer illusions need to run to a target if they’re not sitting in melee range.

Steal is often coupled as a teleport with backstab for burst, or to cover a cloak and dagger animation in WvW where D/D is used.

You’re complaining about powerful effects with no tells but the thief has plenty of his own.

I’m sorry to interrupt your “woe is me” thief parade, but TCG/oRNG/Abjured all run a thief. Guess how many mesmers/rangers/any class that isn’t thief or ele they run?

friendly reminder complaining about anything other than celestial ele or mesmer in full is a good sign of someone that’s pretty bad at the game and has an even worse understanding of it.

Zenith.7301:

Steal is a class mechanic, not a utility skill. Ranger pet skills have cast times. Warrior burst skills have cast times. Mesmer illusions need to run to a target if they’re not sitting in melee range.

Steal is often coupled as a teleport with backstab for burst, or to cover a cloak and dagger animation in WvW where D/D is used.

You’re complaining about powerful effects with no tells but the thief has plenty of his own.

I’m sorry to interrupt your “woe is me” thief parade, but TCG/oRNG/Abjured all run a thief. Guess how many mesmers/rangers/any class that isn’t thief or ele they run?

<1% of the thief population is not in any way a valid sample size to use to strengthen your point. Secondly there are plenty of tells. Anyone with situational awareness and an average reaction time can make backstab fail to deal that much damage almost every time it happens.

So if you are having such a hard time with thief’s sole source of competitive dps, then get some. Or better yet, play a thief yourself and be OP. It isn’t hard.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Zenith.7301:

Steal is a class mechanic, not a utility skill. Ranger pet skills have cast times. Warrior burst skills have cast times. Mesmer illusions need to run to a target if they’re not sitting in melee range.

Steal is often coupled as a teleport with backstab for burst, or to cover a cloak and dagger animation in WvW where D/D is used.

You’re complaining about powerful effects with no tells but the thief has plenty of his own.

I’m sorry to interrupt your “woe is me” thief parade, but TCG/oRNG/Abjured all run a thief. Guess how many mesmers/rangers/any class that isn’t thief or ele they run?

<1% of the thief population is not in any way a valid sample size to use to strengthen your point. Secondly there are plenty of tells. Anyone with situational awareness and an average reaction time can make backstab fail to deal that much damage almost every time it happens.

So if you are having such a hard time with thief’s sole source of competitive dps, then get some. Or better yet, play a thief yourself and be OP. It isn’t hard.

Already play a thief. Leveled him to 80 from PvP actually. As I did for several alts and I have all professions at 80.

I’m glad you made a tangent attacking my playing skills to divert from the fact that some thief skills have no tells.

It’s just cute how superior you act about mesmer shatters having no tells when your class is full of cheese of its own.

Maybe it will pass with time just as you whined about passive spirit rangers until they too were nerfed into irrelevance.

Zenith.7301:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Zenith.7301:

Steal is a class mechanic, not a utility skill. Ranger pet skills have cast times. Warrior burst skills have cast times. Mesmer illusions need to run to a target if they’re not sitting in melee range.

Steal is often coupled as a teleport with backstab for burst, or to cover a cloak and dagger animation in WvW where D/D is used.

You’re complaining about powerful effects with no tells but the thief has plenty of his own.

I’m sorry to interrupt your “woe is me” thief parade, but TCG/oRNG/Abjured all run a thief. Guess how many mesmers/rangers/any class that isn’t thief or ele they run?

<1% of the thief population is not in any way a valid sample size to use to strengthen your point. Secondly there are plenty of tells. Anyone with situational awareness and an average reaction time can make backstab fail to deal that much damage almost every time it happens.

So if you are having such a hard time with thief’s sole source of competitive dps, then get some. Or better yet, play a thief yourself and be OP. It isn’t hard.

Already play a thief. Leveled him to 80 from PvP actually. As I did for several alts and I have all professions at 80.

I’m glad you made a tangent attacking my playing skills to divert from the fact that some thief skills have no tells.

It’s just cute how superior you act about mesmer shatters having no tells when your class is full of cheese of its own.

Maybe it will pass with time just as you whined about passive spirit rangers until they too were nerfed into irrelevance.

This.
Whining about what his class is by very far the best at sounds a bit surprising. Conclusion is to netf thieves in first place. (which are with ele the two only mandatory professions for any serious pvo team)
I admit that huge repeated attacks with no tells should not be rampant in gw2. Neither for mes thieves or other.

Zenith.7301:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Zenith.7301:

Steal is a class mechanic, not a utility skill. Ranger pet skills have cast times. Warrior burst skills have cast times. Mesmer illusions need to run to a target if they’re not sitting in melee range.

Steal is often coupled as a teleport with backstab for burst, or to cover a cloak and dagger animation in WvW where D/D is used.

You’re complaining about powerful effects with no tells but the thief has plenty of his own.

I’m sorry to interrupt your “woe is me” thief parade, but TCG/oRNG/Abjured all run a thief. Guess how many mesmers/rangers/any class that isn’t thief or ele they run?

<1% of the thief population is not in any way a valid sample size to use to strengthen your point. Secondly there are plenty of tells. Anyone with situational awareness and an average reaction time can make backstab fail to deal that much damage almost every time it happens.

So if you are having such a hard time with thief’s sole source of competitive dps, then get some. Or better yet, play a thief yourself and be OP. It isn’t hard.

Already play a thief. Leveled him to 80 from PvP actually. As I did for several alts and I have all professions at 80.

I’m glad you made a tangent attacking my playing skills to divert from the fact that some thief skills have no tells.

It’s just cute how superior you act about mesmer shatters having no tells when your class is full of cheese of its own.

Maybe it will pass with time just as you whined about passive spirit rangers until they too were nerfed into irrelevance.

Aaaaaaaaaand when have I ever done that? Maybe you need to take a break from this game.

If you are only closely having the same problems fighting a thief than you have with a mesmer you are doing something wrong.

Thief isn’t a strong class in general, mastering this class takes a hell lot of skill and I admire everyone who has this talent.
But it is far from op for the amount of practice you need with this class. Mesmer is so much easier to play than thief but outplays them in many aspects.

Zenith.7301:

Steal is a class mechanic, not a utility skill. Ranger pet skills have cast times. Warrior burst skills have cast times. Mesmer illusions need to run to a target if they’re not sitting in melee range.

Steal is often coupled as a teleport with backstab for burst, or to cover a cloak and dagger animation in WvW where D/D is used.

You’re complaining about powerful effects with no tells but the thief has plenty of his own.

I’m sorry to interrupt your “woe is me” thief parade, but TCG/oRNG/Abjured all run a thief. Guess how many mesmers/rangers/any class that isn’t thief or ele they run?

Dude, you need to chill.

First, you was all about thief being able to burst down without any tells.
Now, you’re straight up, just saying Steal is over-powered compared to other professions.

It’s like you’re having 2 different conversations.

I wasn’t complaining about anything, you were mentioning powerful effects/bursts with no tells and was only complaining about the thief, like its the only profession with those things.

Now let’s talk about steal, because that’s what you want to talk about. Steal is uber weak unless you trait it. It’s not like other profession mechanics where if you trait it, it gets better. Ranger Pet Skills, Warrior burst skills and Mesmer shatters are all mechanics that are worth using without traiting anything into them. Steal on the other had is complete garbo without any traits into it, this is a pretty decent trade-off seeing how you give up nearly 6 traits to make Steal worth using (mug, improv, thrill of the crime, bountiful theft, sleigh of hand, hidden thief)

Sidenote, “woe is me” would only apply to me if I was complaining about the thief, but in this case, you’re the only complaining about the thief…

And to answer you question, Abjured run 2 professions (engi, necro) that aren’t ele/theif in their reg comps. oRNG run 3 (war, guard, guard). TCG run 3 (mes, engi, war). So 8 altogether. And both Abjured and oRNG have run Rangers before (Phanta and ROM both known for their Rangers too). Also, Abjured has run several games without a thief before, swapping it for another engi.

EDIT: lmao, my bad Zenith, i’ve been quoting you but I meant to quote the other guy Cynz. He was the one that originally complained about thief burst with no tells. my bad mang, reading the posts with all the replys got my head spinning a bit.

EDIT: wait, did I mean to quote the solori guy? ef so confused… i give up… won’t be returning to this thread anymore lols, so sidetracked from vamp runes. on that note, vamp runes don’t really need nerfing imo.

i like how i get accused of things in this thread i haven’t done :|

You literally CAN’T nerf vamp runes. It is the ONLY way a thief is viable. Without it they can’t survive a sneeze.

Answer to vamp runes is condi!