Guild Wars 2

Full bar of condition clears is not enough

1 Sentence—→Condi condi condi condi >>>>>>> everything else.

i still search for this Arena net post 2 years ago or 1 year, i don’t remember.
Where they wrote after HOT and the new condi change" we know condi is too strong." that they will review it.

Guess what, it has been years, they didn’t touch hit. Oh, wonder.
If someone find the post please tell me.

2 Wins equals 1 loss

It is going to continue for several more seasons before any real change, you are all in our prayers.

Power build dominates.

8 out of 9 professions have power build as their most popular build. One uses hybrid damage.

only need one word. “STALE”

Its just kittening boring.

Balanced.

/15 Chars

Needs new elite specializations.

Power build or go home!

the problem is “Meta” so low diversity gets booring.

But: it´s mostly balanced and mainly power based ….

Maximum defence required.

Russian Roulette.

Boring.

/15 char

Mesmer’s main source of dmg is obviously condi and shatters. Their damage would barely change if the power damage was nerfed. Saying power necro is chosen more than condi isn’t true, I bet if you went in to a ranked match you would see most necros are condi. Also, yes warrior has 2 viable builds, that’s why I said that they were either even or better with its power builds. Also, condi guard can be way better than power if you know what you’re doing. Same thing with condi engi, it’s more of a gimmick, but could work in ranked, so it’s viable. I haven’t played condi rev a lot, but I’ve seen a lot of cases where I see condi revs destroying every other build.

Boring massiv healing hybrit spamfest ending up in a huge zerg requiring not the slightest skill at all.

Welcome to GW2 Spamfiesta, choose one build among condition builds or condition cleanse machines.

Boring.

In all fairness though, the meta and lack of build variety across the board is just a small part of the bigger problem.
I’ve not set foot in PvP for 2 months because it is entirely stale. The maps. The builds. The lack of battle choice (we have conquest, conquest… Conquest, conquest, oh and stronghold which is a PvE arms race…) The, ahem, ‘variety’ of builds that compete with other builds on the same level (Next to none). The mode itself is bland.

Koto.1824:

Also, condi guard can be way better than power if you know what you’re doing. Same thing with condi engi, it’s more of a gimmick, but could work in ranked, so it’s viable. I haven’t played condi rev a lot, but I’ve seen a lot of cases where I see condi revs destroying every other build.

I would switch off my Condi guard if I’m versus a guard/war combo, or if I’m against Naru and Amon. I don’t switch if I’m against subpar dh/war players.

High Gold, Low Plat is where burn Guard currently belongs but it’s very gimmicky vs those two classes on a team.

Revs/Necro/Rangers/Full trap guard and >insert 0 cleanse spec<
Will all have issues vs a Condi comp without a support class like Ele helping them out.

not enough skills to choose from since launch…

Saiyan.1704:

Koto.1824:

Also, condi guard can be way better than power if you know what you’re doing. Same thing with condi engi, it’s more of a gimmick, but could work in ranked, so it’s viable. I haven’t played condi rev a lot, but I’ve seen a lot of cases where I see condi revs destroying every other build.

I would switch off my Condi guard if I’m versus a guard/war combo, or if I’m against Naru and Amon. I don’t switch if I’m against subpar dh/war players.

High Gold, Low Plat is where burn Guard currently belongs but it’s very gimmicky vs those two classes on a team.

Revs/Necro/Rangers/Full trap guard and >insert 0 cleanse spec<
Will all have issues vs a Condi comp without a support class like Ele helping them out.

This is true I’ve ran into a mix of burn and symbol guards in the past, though normally when i face known burn guards, if I feel my team might insta flop to burn, or just against a heavy condi comp, I’ll swap to a PoV+Soldier Rune support DH spec, it normally gets the job done in saving people in teamfights against condi bombs/burn bursts and what not.

Edit: i also forgot to say my sentence. “Low population wasteland.”

Koto.1824:

Exciton.8942:

Power build dominates.

8 out of 9 professions have power build as their most popular build. One uses hybrid damage.

Wtf are you talking about
Warrior, Mesmer, Necro, Guard, Engi, and maybe Rev all have viable condi builds that are either better or even with its class’s power build.

Well, you can see I am being slightly sarcastic because many people are making it out like condition builds are so much stronger but in reality we have just as many if not more power builds for classes

That being said, the only really strong condition builds are warrior’s, mesmer’s and necro’s. Engi and guard condition build are burst focused and have very limited usage. Rev condition build doesn’t really serve any purpose. It is simply doing damage way too slowly. It can 1v1 fine but other classes do it better and bring even more to the table.

The heck is this thread?

With the exception of Chrono, every class’s condi build is significantly squishier than it’s power equivalent.

Honestly judging by the fact that some people think condi is OP, some think it’s fine, some people think sustain is too high, and some think there is too much burst, I’d say the game is fairly well balanced.

Haleydawn.3764:

Boring.

In all fairness though, the meta and lack of build variety across the board is just a small part of the bigger problem.
I’ve not set foot in PvP for 2 months because it is entirely stale. The maps. The builds. The lack of battle choice (we have conquest, conquest… Conquest, conquest, oh and stronghold which is a PvE arms race…) The, ahem, ‘variety’ of builds that compete with other builds on the same level (Next to none). The mode itself is bland.

Yeh its stale on every level.

Koto.1824:

Mesmer’s main source of dmg is obviously condi and shatters. Their damage would barely change if the power damage was nerfed. Saying power necro is chosen more than condi isn’t true, I bet if you went in to a ranked match you would see most necros are condi. Also, yes warrior has 2 viable builds, that’s why I said that they were either even or better with its power builds. Also, condi guard can be way better than power if you know what you’re doing. Same thing with condi engi, it’s more of a gimmick, but could work in ranked, so it’s viable. I haven’t played condi rev a lot, but I’ve seen a lot of cases where I see condi revs destroying every other build.

Mesmer has a very reasonable non-condi dmg output. I have played 4k matches on necro so on that subject I know what I am talking about. Maybe you are on American servers, the case there might be different. Burn guard is only viable in lower tiers of PvP, thats not my definition of ’’viable’’. In higher PvP tiers it only counters Druid, and then thats it. If you know that the enemy team has a burn guard, they just get melted easily. Condi engi is just to laugh at. Condi rev the same.

The current meta: back in my days, the game was better.

Three letters: R N G

In the words of a certain game show host; “so much winning, it’s fantastic, so great.”

Skillfloor has been dropping with every balance patch they put out.

Can we hurt each other now?

How much i have to stare this warrior so i can damage him?

The meta is decently balanced but poor buildiversity.

to elaborate. it’d be incredibly awsome if the build diveristy of all classes was equal tot that of guardians. I’m happy that guardians have access to symbolic,meditrapper and condi builds. With 3 different major strengths and difference in game.

That doesn’t mean that they are all equal as meditrapper reigns supreme still but the other two are viable altenatives which u can rate decently high in ranked.

Warrior is not bad either with build diversity. U can run power, macebow for sustain condi and ragezerker for high condi burst, U can even run hybrid with destroyers and or carrion hybrid infact destroyers was used by tarcis and obindo used in the tournament of groucheroo.

The balance is decent. And I do think that slowly more build diveristy is coming. aka power necro came back well relatively recently. and u can argue that dagger/pistol staff is decent as Now apply the build diversity of warrior and guardians to revs, ele, druids,necro.

rock, scissor, paper, no meta, spock

-Too much of everything.

-Play cheese or get the kitten out.

benny hill show

Need more build options and a Anti-META.

Reaper Alim.4176:

Need more build options and a Anti-META.

there are anti-meta builds.

Crinn.7864:

Reaper Alim.4176:

Need more build options and a Anti-META.

there are anti-meta builds.

Anti-meta builds that dont get destroyed easily by the other builds surrounding the guy you were meant to counter?

Ivantreil.3092:

Crinn.7864:

Reaper Alim.4176:

Need more build options and a Anti-META.

there are anti-meta builds.

Anti-meta builds that dont get destroyed easily by the other builds surrounding the guy you were meant to counter?

If they could counter a meta build while not being vulnerable to other meta builds, they would become a meta build and the build they counter would be kicked out of the meta.

Anti-meta build

That sounds kinda cool to be honest.

What is an Anti-Meta Build? And what makes it different from an hardcounter in among the currently existing meta builds?

Still here after 6 months…

Man how you are hanging yourserlf on terms. ridiculous. Spvp is on the gound and those who deny that untill now go back pveing man, yo obviously got no glue soever.

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Anti-meta build

That sounds kinda cool to be honest.

What is an Anti-Meta Build? And what makes it different from an hardcounter in among the currently existing meta builds?

A anti-meta is a build that hardcounters one or more meta build but is weak to other meta builds (thus preventing it from becoming meta itself)

P/P engi and burn guard are examples of anti-meta builds.

Crinn.7864:

Ivantreil.3092:

Crinn.7864:

Reaper Alim.4176:

Need more build options and a Anti-META.

there are anti-meta builds.

Anti-meta builds that dont get destroyed easily by the other builds surrounding the guy you were meant to counter?

If they could counter a meta build while not being vulnerable to other meta builds, they would become a meta build and the build they counter would be kicked out of the meta.

im not saying not be vulnerable, i mean a build that is vulnerable to the other builds, but not so vulnerable at the point of being slaughtered

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