Guild Wars 2

So lets talk about burning condition and how good it is…it simply kills everyclass in the game except signet necros.

So I faught this dd ele on point after 1 min i´m out of condi clear.

So let me show you how this ele killed me by looking at the combat log (17 stacks of burning) at the final tick

JUST MAYBE this burning condition is too strong and MAYBE is to easy to apply for some classes. and this burning even have diminishing returns after X stacks it seems
and yet it LITTERLY melts any class

Okey since everyone is clearly thinks i´m a scrub walking through RoF 4 times in LESS then 2 sec….here is a note…i played 7.9 k games of pvp I KNOW that walking through RoF is BAD….and YES I facetanked that drakes breath…BUT HEY LOOK AT THE LOG I`M OUT OF DODGES.

How do you even get 17 stacks of burning against an ele ?

And necros is not the only class that has answers to burning.

(Don’t get me wrong, I thing burning applications could be toned down, and ele is definitely op, but comon try to at least make reasonable argument)

Or you could just stop running trough the ring of fire repeatedly and not get 17 burning stacks on you. Or completely ignored that DD ele and fought on some other point.

Yeah, burning is strong but I don’t see how you’re getting 17 stacks from a D/D ele unless you were just running back and forth through Ring of Fire the entire time.

Fubar.4281:

So lets talk about burning condition and how good it is…it simply kills everyclass in the game except signet necros.

So I faught this dd ele on point after 1 min i´m out of condi clear.

So let me show you how this ele killed me by looking at the combat log (17 stacks of burning) at the final tick

JUST MAYBE this burning condition is too strong and MAYBE is to easy to apply for some classes. and this burning even have diminishing returns after X stacks it seems
and yet it LITTERLY melts any class

How is it Rom did better against 2 of the best d/d ele in the game with no condi cleanses and you somehow you run into stacks of burning. Im seriously wondering why you think this helps your case. MAYBE its YOU

Rom had enough pressure with that build to make it hard for those eles to put out as much pressure as they can, but still. The only way you get more than 5-6 stacks on you is if you played like kitten .

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

Rom had enough pressure with that build to make it hard for those eles to put out as much pressure as they can, but still. The only way you get more than 5-6 stacks on you is if you played like kitten .

Well, if you’re talking about D/D Ele some of their fire attacks indeed seem to bug sometimes. I’d guess it has to do with ring of fire as I got insta 12 stacks of burning several times already. Using a shadowstep in ring of fire is bugged as hell aswell, often resulting in ridiculous stacks of burning. They can either fix this bug or nerf the skill, but the way it is right now isn’t acceptable.

ring of fire is so buggy sometimes. u dont even have to dance around it, just simply walk out of it and u suddenly have 6+ burning stacks? this seems to happen especially when the ground isnt flat.

cough condi clears cough …. instead of playing the zerker or condi builds try hybrid builds and surviblity build…. like when hot comes out a ele tempest build will be the best to go against this with trouper runes and all shouts…has condi clears on heal and and 2 condi shouts on 20-25s cds…. and eye of the storm or after shock on kitten… and with water overcharge u got 3 condi removals if im right… but truth be told i laugh at burn build when im on ele or necro…u can also do it on mez but not many people play that build.

I think you guys just need to test where the actual burn place is on the ring. It’s just outside the animation. I’ve never had that skill bug, and ports applying burning is consistent with all such rings.

The argumentation in favor of ring of fire is quite amusing in here. Sure one could play tankier builds or take some more condi cleanses, but thats still no justification for ring of fire being bugged and applying more burning stacks than it should.

I very well know where the burn application of the skill is, but it seems to bug out on uneven ground as pointed above. This is just as gamebreaking as skills being obstructed or ports that dont work.

The way the Ele & Guard Rings work might’ve been fine pre patch, but now that burning stacks in intensity no one can really argue that e.g. using shadowstep to avoid getting trapped in the ring should net you 3-6stacks of burning that are reasonably long. Burning is broken, no matter how you look at it.

Maybe they should make the skill work just like blinding powder with a 3s pulse intervall, if not thieves might aswell get their original 1s pulse back.

the only way for you to get so much stacks on you is to dance in and out of every fire field the ele generates with ring of fire and burning speed trail,take a shower in drakes breath whole channel and perhaps attack the ele too much when it has a fire aura active

otherwise 5 stacks is what will slip through either way so you only have yourself to blame. not that I am defending celeddele but the cooldown on those skills is just too low for their payoff.

running condi cleanse cough cough ecc is useless, no matter what you will eventualy run out of condi cleanser, thats why condition are totaly OP.
Is not like toghness that is constantly mitigate the direct damage.
Is not a case that ROM run almost without condi cleanser, is a kill him before condi will eventualy cleave you down.
If arenanet and people like this kittenedd gameplay with unskilled condi apply, then ok have fun.

Also consider that ele ring can cover the entire cap point, so you have 2 options: get the 6 stacks of burning or let him cap.
Also consider that especialy melee class will eventualy get in that ring.
Best counter to melee? spam aoe on yourself.

You could always dodge into the ring and not get any burn stacks if you are in such a dire hurry to prevent decap/cap.

So i get alot of flame about me running through ring of fire like SCRUB but i dident
Just let you know i played 7.9k games of pvp I KNOW NOT TO WALK through ring of fire…GEEEESES

Fubar.4281:

So lets talk about burning condition and how good it is…it simply kills everyclass in the game except signet necros.

So I faught this dd ele on point after 1 min i´m out of condi clear.

So let me show you how this ele killed me by looking at the combat log (17 stacks of burning) at the final tick

JUST MAYBE this burning condition is too strong and MAYBE is to easy to apply for some classes. and this burning even have diminishing returns after X stacks it seems
and yet it LITTERLY melts any class

I’m guessing you ran through the ring a bunch, was mortified at the fact that playing like a moron has the side effect of death, and quickly too screenshot and went to the forms… lol

It’s not the RoF, it’s Burning Speed and everything else that can apply burns.

With Hoelbrak runes and no other increase burn duration skills or traits, you can reach a burn burst of 10 to 12 stacks.

With a 50% burn duration from either runes or Burning Precision, you can reach a burn burst of 12 to 15 stacks.

Whether or not that certain Ele had burn modifiers, the average Ele can and will apply 7 to 10 stacks every 12 seconds. The OP here just got the worst of it, absorbing Burning Speed, Drakes Breath and Cleansing Ire. Add an Ele dodge roll burn with a burn duration of 50+.. and you got what the OP here just did in a very short amount of time.

-edit
For the record, many people are starting to use Flame Legion runs because they can have enough burn duration to last through the other attunements, giving them the 7% dmg modifier. Might stacking (and the rotations that come with it) are becoming more irrelevant. Ask any good Ele duelist, it’s not about reaching that 25 might stacks anymore than it’s about applying constant pressure.

im sorry but if you let 17 stacks of burn build up… that is 100% your fault and deserve to be punished for it.

look at the ticks….how do i get 1-5-11 stacks in 2 secs and wtf is wrong with the blaming here boys WHY WOULD ANYONE WALK through RoF`like that I DONT

So everyone says i walked through rof 4 times in less then 2 sec?

really? thats what ppl say?

Uhm why no comparison log is attached to a full zerk build? I mean seriously 200-1200-3000 burning? Any zerker AA 1500-1500-3000 :O can’t cleanse it or send it back…. No ss from 15k crits or anything like that…

I miss the old days when the forum was all about teef 8k backstabs from stealth an uncounterable dmg :/

Cleanse it. 12k damage in 4 second is less than a mesmer or guardian do in 1 second with a burst.

let me preface this with the fact i main a burn guardian ( and i have for about a year, and on a side note its team fight potential has gone up but its dueling potential actually lowered after specialization rework, lol eles used to be a joke for burn guards and now its hilariously difficult)

Burning damage as it is is perfectly fine. ( on burn guards its literally their only condi so even small condi cures can clear it) The main problem is application from rings of fire

In comparison to bleeding, (take guardian judges intervention) The standard burning skill in this game applies about 3 burns. using the standard 1200 condi of a pvp ammy, this means that 1 burn is = 3.3 bleeds ( not including any bleed or burn amplification). So this skill instatly applies 10 bleeds. U will be very hard pressed to find a skill that adds 10 bleeds.

And where most people lose is rings of fire. The guardian and ele ring of fire applies 3 burn every time u walk through it. What it SHOULD do is apply its affect only once. ever or reduce the the rate it pulses or lower their durations. If you make a mistake and walk through it afer your condi clear you can easly get 6-9 burn on you which can be devastating. To put this into perspective again this is like instantly getting 19-30 bleeds on you instantly.

Otherwise its really not that insane

^ This guy gets it.

Stop walking in and out of Ring of Fire.

Problem solved.

To those who have a lot of trouble not waking in and out of ring of fire I recommend this:

1. STOP MOVING -Unless you need to evade away from drakes breath, or walk into the ele to kitten up the hit box on flame grab, there’s no reason to run in and out of circles. Then once you realize the massive amount burns missing from your buff bar and significant loss of dps done by the ele you might learn a bit.
2. Learn to start moving but stay in the circle. This will help with the evasion of drakes and fire grab.
3. This is some next level kitten. Don’t try this unless your ultra MLG and ready for the next WTS. Evade THROUGH the ring if necessary. I know crazy hard right? It’ll take some practice, the ring of fire is only the most noticeable ground fire in the game.

I wish more players would let me get those levels of stacks against them.

You managed to accomplish something quite impressive getting 17 stacks of burning on you from 1 ele. I tried to stack that much burn on a pve champ by spamming all my burning skills, and kiting it back and forth across ring of fire, then capping it off with cleansing fire. However alas the highest I was able to reach was 15 stacks and that was only for maybe a second. I suppose I could have gotten it higher with investment in Balthazar runes, and a sigil of smoldering, but suffice it to say you ate everything that he could have thrown at you and then went back a few more times for seconds.

chibbi.3706:

How do you even get 17 stacks of burning against an ele ?

You facetank Drake’s breath, then walk in and out of RoF several times and finally you go complain on the forums.

Laraley.7695:

chibbi.3706:

How do you even get 17 stacks of burning against an ele ?

You facetank Drake’s breath, then walk in and out of RoF several times and finally you go complain on the forums.

If you look at the log i´m out of dodges….kitten….and no i did not walk through RoF 4 times in 2 sec gj reading

OneKlicKill.4285:

To those who have a lot of trouble not waking in and out of ring of fire I recommend this:

1. STOP MOVING -Unless you need to evade away from drakes breath, or walk into the ele to kitten up the hit box on flame grab, there’s no reason to run in and out of circles. Then once you realize the massive amount burns missing from your buff bar and significant loss of dps done by the ele you might learn a bit.
2. Learn to start moving but stay in the circle. This will help with the evasion of drakes and fire grab.
3. This is some next level kitten. Don’t try this unless your ultra MLG and ready for the next WTS. Evade THROUGH the ring if necessary. I know crazy hard right? It’ll take some practice, the ring of fire is only the most noticeable ground fire in the game.

If you look at the log i´m out of dodges….kitten….and no i did not walk through RoF 4 times in 2 sec gj reading the log

I have to admit, my favorite thing about playing necro (power, not cele) is standing in RoF on purpose (like a boss) so I can toss the burn stacks back to the ele and watch them melt themselves.

Ofc and burning is out of place right now. Its op cause anet just changed it and they need to tone down some stacks in some skills. Ppl saying the opposite are just ppl who main ele and they want to continue to rule the spvp matches..

Love that feedback: “bring condi cleanse, problem solved”

As if building your spec completely around condi cleanse was somehow a good idea in a conquest match.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Love that feedback: “bring condi cleanse, problem solved”

As if building your spec completely around condi cleanse was somehow a good idea in a conquest match.

it might be a good idea if you spend most of your time dying to burns.

choovanski.5462:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Love that feedback: “bring condi cleanse, problem solved”

As if building your spec completely around condi cleanse was somehow a good idea in a conquest match.

it might be a good idea if you spend most of your time dying to burns.

The only good solution is to stop a tanky build like d/d ele from stacking burns like this. Try to bring more condition cleanse into a build means losing much damage in your team and you will most likely getting out damaged because of that.

gebrechen.5643:

choovanski.5462:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Love that feedback: “bring condi cleanse, problem solved”

As if building your spec completely around condi cleanse was somehow a good idea in a conquest match.

it might be a good idea if you spend most of your time dying to burns.

The only good solution is to stop a tanky build like d/d ele from stacking burns like this. Try to bring more condition cleanse into a build means losing much damage in your team and you will most likely getting out damaged because of that.

DD eles are NOT responsible for giving out 17 stacks of burn. That is 100% YOUR FAULT for letting that stack number get that high.

Drakes breath, burning speed and RoF. they have 3 main applications for burning.
Other random applications potentially from runes/sigils.
Also, they have fire shield… that also burns you.

Drakes breath can apply upto 4 stacks – your fault for SITTING IN THE SPRAY and getting hit for the ENTIRE DURATION of drakes breath

RoF gives you 3 stacks each time you walk in/out…

Burning speed only gives 1 stack… unless you stand on it fire trail than it applies a stack per second so the max here would have been 4 stacks…

Literally the ONLY WAY an ele got you to 17 stacks of burning is because you wanted to dance in the fire fields and you kept hitting his fire shield which also keeps giving you burning.

If you are out of dodges and condi cleanses, guess what, you are gonna die, regardless of what class you are facing.

Who talks about 17 stacks? Even 4 stacks on you are terrible and you often don’t have the choice to not cross a fire field.
And eles deal good damage even without burning. So, what’s the strategy, let the eles de/cap the point?

D/D ele is way too good atm. They nerfed rampage for a good reason, they need to nerf ele and mesmer now too.

kdaddy.5431:

Fubar.4281:

So lets talk about burning condition and how good it is…it simply kills everyclass in the game except signet necros.

So I faught this dd ele on point after 1 min i´m out of condi clear.

So let me show you how this ele killed me by looking at the combat log (17 stacks of burning) at the final tick

JUST MAYBE this burning condition is too strong and MAYBE is to easy to apply for some classes. and this burning even have diminishing returns after X stacks it seems
and yet it LITTERLY melts any class

How is it Rom did better against 2 of the best d/d ele in the game with no condi cleanses and you somehow you run into stacks of burning. Im seriously wondering why you think this helps your case. MAYBE its YOU

he had tage lmao

hisorange.3957:

Uhm why no comparison log is attached to a full zerk build? I mean seriously 200-1200-3000 burning? Any zerker AA 1500-1500-3000 :O can’t cleanse it or send it back…. No ss from 15k crits or anything like that…

I miss the old days when the forum was all about teef 8k backstabs from stealth an uncounterable dmg :/

because ele is LITERALLY considered a bunker not a “zerker” or a “condi spam” class
not to men tion it wins over 99% of 1v1s…. the only necro in the entire kittenign game who can win vs ele consistantly is noscoc lmao

Burning is definitely a problem right now, and not just with ele.
My rabid engy does 17k dmg from a single shot of blowtorch if within 250.
That’s a nasty, unforgiving burn.