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Im still amazed at what you just did to eles arcanes. This was pointed out by another player and I didnt want to believe it. Arcanes base damage got stealth nerfed by around 15%. Apparently eles cant have nice things. Not to mention that you buffed everyone else too, and all we got for the most part is conjures buffs….. conjures, which bring close to nothing for the amount of handicaps it has like; 1 min CD, drops for just about ANYTHING; mist form, downed, when you need to us defensive skills, random people pick it up, fight moves away from the weapon, charges, time limit, very limited charges. Staff? Got some buffs yet completely nerfed with it taking into consideratio all the dodges and blocks now count towards AoE limit…..I throw a Meteor shower in a fight and all I see now is “miss miss dodge blocked blocked dodge dodged blocked”.

Thats it, I give up in the class. Im really really disgusted with the arcane nerf, probably the only way we staff ele had to deal any consistent damage in PvP, gone.

But they buffed staff water auto healing. It even has 180 radius when traited!!!!!

Knote.2904:

But they buffed staff water auto healing. It even has 180 radius when traited!!!!!

Yes, that totally fixed us, we will now dominate on the next MLG, I beckon we will have about 10 times the previous representation!! Heck, make it 20 times!!

(<hint; eles in last MLG were a grand total of zero>)

Fortus.6175:

Knote.2904:

But they buffed staff water auto healing. It even has 180 radius when traited!!!!!

Yes, that totally fixed us, we will now dominate on the next MLG, I beckon we will have about 10 times the previous representation!! Heck, make it 20 times!!

10 * 0 = 0

20 * 0 = 0

Divinity.8041:

Fortus.6175:

Knote.2904:

But they buffed staff water auto healing. It even has 180 radius when traited!!!!!

Yes, that totally fixed us, we will now dominate on the next MLG, I beckon we will have about 10 times the previous representation!! Heck, make it 20 times!!

10 * 0 = 0

20 * 0 = 0

seriously?

Divinity.8041:

Fortus.6175:

Knote.2904:

But they buffed staff water auto healing. It even has 180 radius when traited!!!!!

Yes, that totally fixed us, we will now dominate on the next MLG, I beckon we will have about 10 times the previous representation!! Heck, make it 20 times!!

10 * 0 = 0

20 * 0 = 0

hmm, that isnt working, perhaps if we make it 30 or 40 times greater! I can definitely see eles dropping all those amazing conjures and winning fights single handily

/s

Sarcasm aside. I keep reapiting it and I wont get tired of it;

Staff did get some nice stuff, I admit, fire #4 finally usable! Air #3 still misses 9/10 times, I will post a video (when I learn how to record) of how it misses even in PvE vs mosters! It is about as bad as guardian’s scepter #1, except we cant spam it.

Core ele issues are still; low damage coefficient for such low defense coefficient (stats and active defense wise). Dependance of at least 15 water points and 20 arcane, total of minimun 35 trait points which NOBODY cant really deviate from. 15 seconds is still too long of a recharge. Staff main strenght is CC, or so devs want to emphasize, yet, the CD on most skills are 40 seconds, low if any damage (ice field and lighting cage both have near 0, actually 0 on icefield) yet a hammer warrior brings the same CC on 7 seconds CD, AoE and actually does damage….

Fortus.6175:

Knote.2904:

But they buffed staff water auto healing. It even has 180 radius when traited!!!!!

Yes, that totally fixed us, we will now dominate on the next MLG, I beckon we will have about 10 times the previous representation!! Heck, make it 20 times!!

Um, according to the metrics, Staff Ele’s use water auto attacks A TON. You should see the cumulative number of staff water auto’s used, that means it’s a success you see?

It even went up in usage after the patch!!!!

Arcanes were NOT nerfed. People still seem to be unaware of the fact that arcanes’ tooltip are not being adjusted and displayed correctly (sometimes they are and other times they are not, but the actual damage doesn’t change because of the tooltip), so every single patch, when somebody looks at the tooltips, they conclude that they were nerfed, when they were not.

We are going to need a nerf soon with all these buffs, I mean even in the MLG eles by far had the highest win ratio of any class by infinity! (matches played / 0 = infinity)

I havn’t had time to check this out, but are you serious? Arcanes were already nerfed 10-20% last patch as well without notice as far as i can recall.

Med.6150:

Arcanes were NOT nerfed. People still seem to be unaware of the fact that arcanes’ tooltip are not being adjusted and displayed correctly (sometimes they are and other times they are not, but the actual damage doesn’t change because of the tooltip), so every single patch, when somebody looks at the tooltips, they conclude that they were nerfed, when they were not.

Exact same issue on the Engi forums with some turret skills, tooltip error,
so I’m inclined to believe this.

Brew Pinch.5731:

Med.6150:

Arcanes were NOT nerfed. People still seem to be unaware of the fact that arcanes’ tooltip are not being adjusted and displayed correctly (sometimes they are and other times they are not, but the actual damage doesn’t change because of the tooltip), so every single patch, when somebody looks at the tooltips, they conclude that they were nerfed, when they were not.

Exact same issue on the Engi forums with some turret skills, tooltip error,
so I’m inclined to believe this.

lets hope this is the case, im dubious myself, I prefer number, they speak for themselves. If this is the case then I will rest the case, otherwise prepare for the outburst of angry eles (not just me, I already realize how futile that is given how 14 months has pased and nothing good has really come our way that is not 3x better for others) that will come this way.

Also, I would like to point out that conjures is not what we have been askng, neither is the change to air movement. I will settle down a bit, I realize my head is hot and I havent given it enough time, perhaps Im wrong, I will try conjures again and will post here after 2 weeks. Just to let you know this isnt the first time a stealth nerf has happened before, and if true is is a MAJOR one for eles, arcanes were probably the last resort staff ele had to put any damage out that didnt involve a golem.

Run S/F Fresh Air and Elemental Surge and stop whining already.

If you can’t handle Zerker, then do Valkyrie’s with Zerker Jewel and drop Fresh Air for 20 Water.

If you play smart on a burst class and your teammates have good sustain – damage builds you can come in and blow up their called targets and get out pretty much unscathed.

Also, if there are a bunch of Warriors and they are using direct damage, which most do by copying and pasting LB/Hammer, old school D/D sustain ele keeps the point and outlasts them and they waste their time trying to kill you while your teammates will be in a better position to outnumber them.

jmatb.6307:

Run S/F Fresh Air and Elemental Surge and stop whining already.

If you can’t handle Zerker, then do Valkyrie’s with Zerker Jewel and drop Fresh Air for 20 Water.

If you play smart on a burst class and your teammates have good sustain – damage builds you can come in and blow up their called targets and get out pretty much unscathed.

Also, if there are a bunch of Warriors and they are using direct damage, which most do by copying and pasting LB/Hammer, old school D/D sustain ele keeps the point and outlasts them and they waste their time trying to kill you while your teammates will be in a better position to outnumber them.

You keep forgetting the warrior also got mates

And nobody here is whinning, well maybe, but for good reasons. Scepter/dagger is a kamikaze build (much like the old “underpowered” warrior which warranted buffs because how how they would come in, burst and then die), no way of disengaging that does not give you a 40 seconds handicap, arcanes, core mechanic to their burst got stealth nerfed, so there goes their DPS down, which was the “strong point” about the semi-viable build.

I do agree scepter/dagger needed some tunning down, but I see no compensation for it.

I repeat, and everyone here who has use of logic will keep repeating the same;

Nobody wants a kamikaze in their team who all he brings is the possibility of a burst down with the unavoidable fate of a certain death. Thats why eles will see no MLG gameplay until this is addressed. Eles need ways of surviving, ways that doesnt involve growing 2 extra pairs of hands and eyes. Ways that are available to the class on a moments notice. A good start would have been (given how devs really want conjures to work) to make earth shiled a stun breaker and insta so we could use shield #5 at A MOMENTS NOTICE

Reflect upon that statement, realize its truth, comeback once you accept it and ascend to being a logic human being

lol

You’re just silly if you don’t see how mega sustain D/D ele doesn’t keep a point nearly indefinitely vs a melee class.

You also have teammates. S/D can actually be even better for mega sustain, because you have two heals in water and blinds.

Warriors can build for Destruction of the Empowered, but come on… the HPS on Clerics Ele is enormous it’s gonna take way too long for it to be worth it.

jmatb.6307:

lol

You’re just silly if you don’t see how mega sustain D/D ele doesn’t keep a point nearly indefinitely vs a melee class.

You also have teammates. S/D can actually be even better for mega sustain, because you have two heals in water and blinds.

Warriors can build for Destruction of the Empowered, but come on… the HPS on Clerics Ele is enormous it’s gonna take way too long for it to be worth it.

Spoiler, D/D is no more, their “mega sustain” as you poorly described isnt all that mega anymore, specially after the water nerfs to cantrips, the halved healing of it in PvP (which Im sure you diodnt even know about) , the fact that their CDs got increased, specially on their disengages. Their sustain is nothing relaly to be poround anymore, if anything it is their only way of non insta wiping themselves.

While D/D is strong, they fade away in front of the more popular cheese builds, namely warriors nad rangers, who can get more sustain and still bring double the damage. When was the last time you saw a good D/D ele? And let me warn you, for your forum sake, I advice you that you dont admit you got beaten by one, that will prove just how bad of a player you are

edit: oh and I forgot, the arcane dodge heal got nerfed twice, one with an ICD, and now we reduced AoE. I hoipe you can make your own conclusions off that

Toughness + Healing Power vs. Direct damage is extremely effective defense.

Your Warrior opponents that are clearly roflstomping you on sight are doing so because you’re rolling in with 1.9 to 2.1k armor while they have 2.5 to 2.7k armor with the same damage and more sustain because you probably aren’t using 30 water while they’re using 30 Defense, which provides a similar function for them.

Who’s to blame for that losing situation? You’re obviously too busy feeling sorry for yourself to look for solutions so have fun being miserable

jmatb.6307:

Toughness + Healing Power vs. Direct damage is extremely effective defense.

Your Warrior opponents that are clearly roflstomping you on sight are doing so because you’re rolling in with 1.9 to 2.1k armor while they have 2.5 to 2.7k armor with the same damage and more sustain because you probably aren’t using 30 water while they’re using 30 Defense, which provides a similar function for them.

Who’s to blame for that losing situation? You’re obviously too busy feeling sorry for yourself to look for solutions so have fun being miserable

Eles don’t like to go 30 water..because our dmg coefficient are half of what warrior get, they can spec full defense and deal more dmg than ele speccing for dmg…-_-

jmatb.6307:

Toughness + Healing Power vs. Direct damage is extremely effective defense.

Your Warrior opponents that are clearly roflstomping you on sight are doing so because you’re rolling in with 1.9 to 2.1k armor while they have 2.5 to 2.7k armor with the same damage and more sustain because you probably aren’t using 30 water while they’re using 30 Defense, which provides a similar function for them.

Who’s to blame for that losing situation? You’re obviously too busy feeling sorry for yourself to look for solutions so have fun being miserable

-sigh- you are hopeless lol, I will leave you to that. All I will say is; roll an ele, show us all how “pro” you are with it. As far as I can tell you cant kill an ele and assume they are good. i want to remind you; 0 MLG el, zero, nothing, nada. Most “pro” eles are leaving the ele scene. Ele players keep saying the same, heck, even non-ele players recognize it now. Here, let me show you a little video, watch it at your own discretion, this is by far the most unviased video made from a non-ele player, that tells worlds; (if you watch his channel you will see he doesnt play ele either, so it isnt a reroll)

The video is also dated because the patch just hit and the game changed significantly.

Also, identifying yourself with an MMO class is always going to lead to disappointment that you bring upon yourself. If it gets strong enough where people whine about it, then it will be nerfed and you won’t be as strong anymore.

Eles aren’t that great vs. condis, but they are against direct damage. If you cannot see that after they were that strong vs. direct damage for months and only got slight nerfs you are the one that is hopeless not me.

While I do acknowledge that people do not bring Ele to competitive settings, that was before this patch and I think people have yet to see the potential of a super burst Ele on an immob’d target that your teammates set up or how difficult it will be for these Warrior builds to beat a Clerics D/D ele 1v1 now that they don’t have 6s of stuns to troll with

Immob can also be stacked on targets with proper engagement decision making and Earth Signet and D/D Fresh Air. Can you 1v1 with it? No. That’s not what super burst is supposed to do anyway. Your job is to fight dirty and wait for the moments where you can come in and totally ruin an otherwise even matchup in your team’s favor.

Is that “cheap” and “unfair”? Absolutely if you think of the game that way. Will you be more effective with it than trying to 1v1 warriors with less armor and sustain? Absolutely.

Think before you QQ you might find that whatever you were QQing about has solutions that you previously were too angry to realize.

Apparently everyone else in the entire game except J.Sharp and jmatb are wrong and eles are actually VERY strong.

Thank you so much for opening our eyes. Now that I’ve seen the light, I don’t even want to play ele because everyone will just think I’m being carried by an OP class.

Caffynated.5713:

Apparently everyone else in the entire game except J.Sharp and jmatb are wrong and eles are actually VERY strong.

Thank you so much for opening our eyes. Now that I’ve seen the light, I don’t even want to play ele because everyone will just think I’m being carried by an OP class.

watch out, he is so thick that he might think you are serious!

@topic: I was giving arcanes a try, they do seem to hit less on golems. Of course i have no way to prove this because I never bothered to take screenshots of said trivial thing….. boy do I regret that?

It’s one day after the patch and you guys are too busy QQing to actually try to figure something out.

GG

jmatb.6307:

It’s one day after the patch and you guys are too busy QQing to actually try to figure something out.

GG

bro, let me tell you a little secret; coming to a thread and start insulting people is not the best way to take your point across. This thread had a very “civilized” tone until you arrived. Despite the obvious things mentioned in the thread, I believe that even if you were remotely right (which sadly you arent) , the fact that you came here with you “QQ waahh” arguments render you invalid. Just a little tip , might make or break your social live outside the forums.

@topic: Now that he is gone, can anyone who had taken a picture of the arcanes before post it here? I would like to see if this is a true thing or not.

Comparing tests done today to a video I made in July, the damage is the same. Typical hits range from 3200-3400.

How was your post productive any way, shape or form?

The forum needs constructive posts not this self-pitying knee jerk reaction to the patch when you haven’t tried anything or worked with people on a team to take advantage of the immob stacking that lets you land guaranteed bursts