Guild Wars 2

imagine every player would mess up a solo q just once per day when 10 people are needed for 1 solo q

Locuz.2651:

Dojo.1867:

What the kitten you would want someone in your team that DCs once like every 4 games?

4 might be a bit over the top.

But lets assume he plays 10 games a day and DCs once per day. Doesnt sound like a big deal does it? He contributes like everyone else during 90% of his games and only DCs 10% of his games. Right?

But in theory this could mean that every single soloq game could end up being a 4v5. Since its “ok” to DC once a day (which isnt more than 10 games a day for most).

Or people that play only a few games per day could end up just afking out one of their games since their stacks get reset a few hours later anyway. So the punishment needs to be severe enough or people just laugh about it and afk out whenever they like.

So in 10 games he still makes 4 people lose due to him. No thx. Also I doubt he did 10 games when he DCed.

Some people here are trying to make it not sound like a big deal but 1 out of 10 is still freaking huge. These people need to be stopped from playing urgently!

Dojo.1867:

Some people here are trying to make it not sound like a big deal but 1 out of 10 is still freaking huge. These people need to be stopped from playing urgently!

corin.1298:

Typically, I have great internet, never goes out. The past 3 days, due to very cold weather, i get the occasional hiccup, only lasting mabye 10 minutes.

What he is talking about is far from “I end up DC’ing once a day, every day, always and forever”.

Playing a game on the internet means that there are going to be internet issues involved. It’s inevitable and it doesn’t make someone a bad person. If you can’t live with scattered, infrequent, games ending in 4v5s because of an inevitable issue… don’t play online games.

Other games aren’t drowning in leavers.
Other games don’t ban people for days after DC’ing in a few matches.

If you are kittened about 4v5s, be kittened about the thing mainly causing them to happen in GW2… bad match setup… there is no ‘are you ready?’ button, there is no sound that pings out when a match has started and to boot Anet seems to have bad servers or bad code, randomly DC’ing people… you know, all those issues every other game doesn’t have.

You DC’d twice during solo queues (almost guaranteed loss for those teams)…and you let it happen a 3rd time within 3 days?

Dishonorable fully deserved. As someone else said, a DC or a quitter have the same result on the team.

garethh.3518:

Other games don’t ban people for days after DC’ing in a few matches.

The bad thing about dishonorable is that it doesnt help anyone atm. As you can see both the DCed guy and his teammates end up being kittened off due to this.

Since its soloq there needs to be some kind of rule that prefents people from afking out whenever they please. To name a random example; Ive seen a guy leaving since he disliked another guy on our team. Without strict rules this will happen non stop (kinda like hotjoins).

- We need to make sure that the teammates arent affected by random DCs or leavers. Since 4v5 equals a loss in 90% of the cases so its really unfair for the teammates.
- We need to make sure that the rules are strict enough to keep the number of 4v5s as low as possible.

So what i would do is :

Remove dishonorable completely. Make it so if you DC you lose 3 x the ranks you would lose normally, while your teammates lose none. On top of that i would deduct what is normally the (combined) winfee from your gold and give it to your teamates as compensation for the annoyance of playing a 4v5.

Sounds fair?

Locuz.2651:

Remove dishonorable completely. Make it so if you DC you lose 3 x the ranks you would lose normally, while your teammates lose none. On top of that i would deduct what is normally the (combined) winfee from your gold and give it to your teamates as compensation for the annoyance of playing a 4v5.

Sounds fair?

So… you want anyone with any internet issue to be unable to give half a kitten about rank… you want actual trolls to still cause just as many 4v5s (PvP’ers don’t get gold, trolls don’t give a kitten about rank). Top tier people probably would purposely leave to inflate friends’ ranks (cancel out the loses).

All in all, all I can see in that solution is an overwhelming, wrongly placed, sense of justice (he did something that hurts me, so he should be hurt!!).

LoL does it fine, in fact people don’t tend to leave much in games… slowly extend the ‘you cannot play’ duration and keep a tally of leaves for more than 3 days.

If the person is a chronic leaver/DC’er/afk’er, slap on day+ bans.
If they are typically always in matches and just going through a rough spot (a few leaves over a few days and that’s it), give 5-30 min ones.

It takes a little bit of math (oh darn) but with the dishonorable debuff already in code, these tweaks are something I (a part time coder) could grind out in a few hours tops (if I was familiar with the code).

Ive just lost connection from a match, and now im being told I cant play PvP for the next 2 days?

Excuse me, AN, but I paid for this game. Quite a lot of money as well before you over-generously lowered the price tag, and now your denying me the product I paid money for. Simply disgraceful, band of thieves.

Whats even more insulting, is that it wasn’t even my internet connection that caused me to be forced out, beacuse im running multiple applications, and im in a crystal clear skype call, indicating that your incompetent servers aren’t up to scratch, and im the one having to compensate for that.

I am genuinely disgusted, as a customer, long-term player and beta tester. So what do I do now, is it possible to submit a ticket, and get the product I paid for returned to me, or do I just have to sit here while 2 days of the game I purchased is cheated from me? I have not done a single thing wrong, and im being inconvenienced like this.

EDIT: I just noticed the tooltip on the “Dishonored” thing. Absolutely disgraceful that you would write such an infringing, subjective, and unethical thing in a game, to your players, I genuinely take offense to reading that, under these circumstances.

First of all; you don’t have to stop playing for 3 days if the punishment you’ll get for being DC’d is 1 day. Then just take the chance and get that one day instead of a 3 day break. If I know that my connection is bad then I don’t do tPvP, simple as that. The team is probably going to lose if they are one man short, so to them it doesn’t matter.

On the other hand I think this is a bad excuse for Anet to not have a ready button yet. If they had a button that you had to click within a minute after you get teamed up or the team get back in queue (like WoW’s dungeon finder). If they had something like that (with punishment for not responding/afk) they could lower the punishment for leaving / DC. But the punishment should be felt anyhow. Like getting one hour first and then an even longer quarantine if the same thing happened within a given time frame and so on ^^

Or AN should just realize this is a premium game, and its unacceptable to disallow players from accessing it beacuse they got cut out.

For premium content, I expect premium service, not being the equivalent of stolen from.

Argon.1563:

Or AN should just realize this is a premium game, and its unacceptable to disallow players from accessing it beacuse they got cut out.

For premium content, I expect premium service, not being the equivalent of stolen from.

You agreed to a terms of service, wherein you agreed to not negatively impact the playing experience of others.

By disconnecting during tournament matches you have breached the terms of service. You have no rights. You deserve nothing.

corin.1298:

Just because your experience with 1 solo que(different story in team arena) makes you lose 1 match, is so terrible, someone shouldnt be pvp banned for day(s)? Right so just because your playing experience cant be perfect ALL the time, people who cant help it should get the skritt end of the stick? Please, you people are so greedy and arrogant.

Nothing is stopping you from playing hotjoins when your connection is bad.

Argon.1563:

Ive just lost connection from a match, and now im being told I cant play PvP for the next 2 days?

Excuse me, AN, but I paid for this game. Quite a lot of money as well before you over-generously lowered the price tag, and now your denying me the product I paid money for. Simply disgraceful, band of thieves.

Whats even more insulting, is that it wasn’t even my internet connection that caused me to be forced out, beacuse im running multiple applications, and im in a crystal clear skype call, indicating that your incompetent servers aren’t up to scratch, and im the one having to compensate for that.

I am genuinely disgusted, as a customer, long-term player and beta tester. So what do I do now, is it possible to submit a ticket, and get the product I paid for returned to me, or do I just have to sit here while 2 days of the game I purchased is cheated from me? I have not done a single thing wrong, and im being inconvenienced like this.

EDIT: I just noticed the tooltip on the “Dishonored” thing. Absolutely disgraceful that you would write such an infringing, subjective, and unethical thing in a game, to your players, I genuinely take offense to reading that, under these circumstances.

Stop going into ranked matches with crap connections. Go hotjoin or slay some pve; you still have access to both.

Argon.1563:

Or AN should just realize this is a premium game, and its unacceptable to disallow players from accessing it beacuse they got cut out.

For premium content, I expect premium service, not being the equivalent of stolen from.

The sheer number of 4v5s are so frustrating that im close to quitting GW2 due to it. It would be one of the main reasons at least (skyhammer being another).

Being in a 4v5 isnt a premium experience either.

4v5 is fine, I would be a hypocrite if I said 4v5 is impossible, its simply unfavorable. a probability that can be beaten with a smidgen of tactics, as apposed to the traditional PvP culture of “hurrr, movin’ object. Shall spam cooldowns on it.”

Argon.1563:

4v5 is fine, I would be a hypocrite if I said 4v5 is impossible, its simply unfavorable. a probability that can be beaten with a smidgen of tactics, as apposed to the traditional PvP culture of “hurrr, movin’ object. Shall spam cooldowns on it.”

Yeah, absolutely. Having less people than the other team is obviously something that can easily countered by being good…

/sarcasm off

Kinda wish gw2 had that huge “YOUR MATCH IS READY” pop up even if you are tabbed out

http://i.imgur.com/6kNQdiU.jpg for people who don’t know what i mean

Funny how no even considers the blame could lie with the game servers…because pvp-specific lags were never a thing in GW2, rite.

In my opinion dishonor is working as intended here, you screwed 12 other player’s game experience within these three days by lagging out, which probably resulted in 3 losses. Fair enough to give you a break/penalty for playing with a laggy connection. I kittening hate it when some1 keeps queuing, although they’re having connection problems.

TLDR; don’t queue if you’re having lag issues.

KarlaGrey.5903:

Funny how no even considers the blame could lie with the game servers…because pvp-specific lags were never a thing in GW2, rite.

Funny how you missed the part where OP clearly stated he was having unstable internet for a few days.

Amstel Steel.2058:

The dishonorable debuff design is bad because this game doesn’t yet have its casual game mode and with only ~10 min matches for increased rewards on soloTeamQ and yoloQ it becomes a different matter. What should happen if the population was high enough is the game pauses and finds another player or have the other team randomly select someone to sit out.

Gw1 with all it had was able to set the dishonorable debuff around 15 minute to a few hrs.

Doesn’t have casual play? The entire game is casual. There is no true competitive scene.

I’m going to necropost this for couple of reasons.
I dont want to start another thread about because it would be redundant, and I think couple of (erroneous) things have been talked already.
After 1y and half and over 7k hours playing time and many matchs played, i got Dishonorable: 1d and 22 hours.
I generally have a pretty stable connection, but today for some reason I got an Error 7 at the very end of the BG – BG won- and same thing happened the day before (I’ve played like 20 matchs in SoloQ) in totally another time of the day, again BG was won too, but lagged out right at the end, it didnt’ count, and ok, it might be fair at some extent… But Dishonorable?!
My connection was absolutly fine for whatever other thing, and i didnt even get disconnetted once all the rest of the time i spent in game. It happened all in a sudden and i didnt have signs of any weird stuff going on.
The Dishonorable debuff should be given to ppl that INTENTIONALLY leave a BG and the fact that clearly there are flaws into the design of the Q Systems shouldn’t be reverted as player’s fault due to something they can’t directly control very often – Error 7, Login server error – .
How about, make 12 ppl join so if one on the other team get DC, can be immediately replaced? (Also rank points/rewards to who stays on observer mode?). This stuff could have been adjusted in many ways and it’s really poor design and very unfair the way it is right now.