Guild Wars 2

Typically, I have great internet, never goes out. The past 3 days, due to very cold weather, i get the occasional hiccup, only lasting mabye 10 minutes. The rest of the day is very stable. In the past 3 days, I lost connection once a day, everytime during a solo arena(the only thing I really play in gw2). Now I have dishonorable for a whole day? What an absurd punishment. This is way beyond what appropriate punishment is for someone who abandons their team. Funny is, I didn’t even purposely abandon the team.

Oh, and in before, if you disconnect twice, mabye take a break. To counter that, I say, I have to ban myself for 3 days which is the reset for dishonorable stacks, to avoid a 1 day pvp ban? This and the people who actually agree and think this is fine absolutely disgusts me.

I generally can deal with most things that sometimes don’t seem appropriate in mmos, but this is where is crosses the line.

Ye stop playing if your internet is unstable. All working as intended, maybe should have stopped you from playing a bit faster.

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Can you read? I have to stop pvping for —--3—- Days. to avoid a pvp ban. That is straight stupidity.

You know what disgusts me? People with dishonorable debuff.
Cant play? Fine stay in hotjoins but dont kitten up my games.

It’s necessarily a bit strict. It was more lax for a while and 4v5 was more common. Now it’s a bit stricter and it occasionally punishes someone in your position, but also prevents more 4v5s from happening.

Also, each individual stack lasts for 3 days. So if you get one stack on Jan. 26, and then another stack on Jan. 28, on the 29th the first stack will fall off. So you generally don’t have to stop playing for 3 days unless you get 3 stacks back-to-back-to-back on the same day. If you get 2 stacks in one day, you could stop pvping for a few days to avoid the ban, but it would be no different than to continue—if you hit your third stack, the ban will last only until your first stack falls off, no longer.

Id like them to change the punishment to this:

All lost ranks from your entire team get added up and deducted from the guy who DCed. Since your team should not suffer for you DCing.

No more dishonourable debuff or w/e.

um… if your internet is having issues then go take a break or don’t join a tournament match which requires stable internet connection. you are being a bit over dramatic here.

Leeto.1570:

You know what disgusts me? People with dishonorable debuff.
Cant play? Fine stay in hotjoins but dont kitten up my games.

Everyone knows leavers/DCs screw up games.
No one wants it any more than it can be avoided.
That’s obvious, that’s in the clear.

The thing is, LoL’s leaver debuff isn’t even half as bad as this
And leavers in a LoL game makes the game far more lobsided, btw.

Anet is over-doing it with their version.
kitten happens, kitten can’t be much avoided.

Hickups in internet, maybe once a day make someone unable to play for days…
Ehh, that’s a bit much.

Maybe everyone is so but-hurt about leavers because Anet still doesn’t have a real ‘ready up’ button so leavers are all over the place for little reason, but issues like this aren’t anything that should be fiercely stomped on.

Well deserved. DC and quit is the same to the other 9 people.

Just because your experience with 1 solo que(different story in team arena) makes you lose 1 match, is so terrible, someone shouldnt be pvp banned for day(s)? Right so just because your playing experience cant be perfect ALL the time, people who cant help it should get the skritt end of the stick? Please, you people are so greedy and arrogant.

If you know your internet connection is unstable, then don’t risk joining tournament matches. Especially if you already have 1-2 stacks of the debuff. Yeah its too bad that you might not be able to play for a day or two, but every time you disconnect, you are screwing your team. Don’t screw your team.

The dishonorable debuff design is bad because this game doesn’t yet have its casual game mode and with only ~10 min matches for increased rewards on soloTeamQ and yoloQ it becomes a different matter. What should happen if the population was high enough is the game pauses and finds another player or have the other team randomly select someone to sit out.

Gw1 with all it had was able to set the dishonorable debuff around 15 minute to a few hrs.

corin.1298:

Just because your experience with 1 solo que(different story in team arena) makes you lose 1 match, is so terrible, someone shouldnt be pvp banned for day(s)? Right so just because your playing experience cant be perfect ALL the time, people who cant help it should get the skritt end of the stick? Please, you people are so greedy and arrogant.

Was in 12 4v5s last weekend out of 40 games played. 10 on our team and 2 on the opposing team. We managed to win 1 of the 4v5s. But i dropped about 800 rating due to that. (If any mod is around plz dont hesitate to check).

Youre basicly ruining someone elses experience. I think its incredibly selfish to pretend its no big deal. For you it might not be. But 12 games is 3 hours of my time wasted with uneven games that arent as fun to play.

But like i said before. Id prefer a “punishment” where the dced guy gets accounted for the combined rating loss of his entire team. You can still play after that , but you might lose a couple of hundred rating per DC.

Locuz.2651:

corin.1298:

Just because your experience with 1 solo que(different story in team arena) makes you lose 1 match, is so terrible, someone shouldnt be pvp banned for day(s)? Right so just because your playing experience cant be perfect ALL the time, people who cant help it should get the skritt end of the stick? Please, you people are so greedy and arrogant.

Was in 12 4v5s last weekend out of 40 games played. 10 on our team and 2 on the opposing team. We managed to win 1 of the 4v5s. But i dropped about 800 rating due to that. (If any mod is around plz dont hesitate to check).

Youre basicly ruining someone elses experience. I think its incredibly selfish to pretend its no big deal. For you it might not be. But 12 games is 3 hours of my time wasted with uneven games that arent as fun to play.

But like i said before. Id prefer a “punishment” where the dced guy gets accounted for the combined rating loss of his entire team. You can still play after that , but you might lose a couple of hundred rating per DC.

If you care about rating go play team arena. Using solo arena for rating is just a bad idea period. Just because someone has good solo arena rating means absolutely nothing. At all.

corin.1298:

If you care about rating go play team arena. Using solo arena for rating is just a bad idea period. Just because someone has good solo arena rating means absolutely nothing. At all.

Youre so greedy.

Its not just the rating. Its about spending hours in matches that arent as fun as they couldve been. And if you dont care about rating you can stick to hotjoins. You can DC or afk as often as you like with no consequences.

What did you say? Hotjoins arent that fun since people dont try to win, arent as good, leave or afk constantly resulting in blowout wins or losses?

What do you think happens in 4v5s?

corin.1298:

Typically, I have great internet, never goes out. The past 3 days, due to very cold weather, i get the occasional hiccup, only lasting mabye 10 minutes. The rest of the day is very stable. In the past 3 days, I lost connection once a day, everytime during a solo arena(the only thing I really play in gw2). Now I have dishonorable for a whole day? What an absurd punishment. This is way beyond what appropriate punishment is for someone who abandons their team. Funny is, I didn’t even purposely abandon the team.

Oh, and in before, if you disconnect twice, mabye take a break. To counter that, I say, I have to ban myself for 3 days which is the reset for dishonorable stacks, to avoid a 1 day pvp ban? This and the people who actually agree and think this is fine absolutely disgusts me.

I generally can deal with most things that sometimes don’t seem appropriate in mmos, but this is where is crosses the line.

sry your internet is bad, but without this dc would be manipulative player’s way out of difficult spot. you decided to play with poor connection, responsibility is yours. to keep this choice of your safe, anet shouldnt open hole in players commitment to complete the match.

if you ditch games over such rules, i doubt youll ever stick to any good one

leaderboard = doesnt matter to anyone, unless your with your little circle of no lifes pretending your kittenes.

rank = enough can be said bout this no value either unless u wanted the cool finisher its only good for.

only thing important is that you enjoy playing, so 4v5 is not fun for everyone, if you have bad connection stop playing, if you continue to ignore that then you deserve your debuff.

I absolutely love threads like this. Concrete, definite proof that the dishonorable debuff is working well.

The system is way too harsh. Whats wrong with it refreshing every day. 3 days? Insane. Just like you all who agree to it. If they cared about peoples “fun” that much, it wouldn’t be this intense.

Pyroatheist.9031:

I absolutely love threads like this. Concrete, definite proof that the dishonorable debuff is working well.

Working well? So it’s supposed to punish people who can’t help the problem even when the disconnects are so seperated apart it doesn’t affect to much of the gameplay as a whole? I could understand if I dced 3 matches in one day.

I could honestly deal with a rank penalty that locuz mentioned and not have any animosity towards it. None at all. However not letting someone play for a tremendous ammount of hours for a few spaced out errors they can’t help, makes me feel like I really wasted money.

edit: With the penalty, I could atleast still have “fun” which seems so sacred, and more important than anything else to Anet.

Working as intended really.

Making the poor life decision to continuously join matches knowing that with a shoddy internet you could drop out on your teammates every match and leave them disadvantaged, while there is a hotjoin available, deserves to punished.

Oh, and 3 stacks before you get banned is much too lenient, people should start getting banned from joining rated matches after the 2nd time, with the first time already giving you a visible debuff to show everybody what a lousy, dishonorable person you are.

We can say that we’re sorry all we want to try to empathize with you and you’re network situation, but did you even apologize for the (at least) 12 different teammates whose gameplay experience you ruined? Because you come off as extremely insincere and overall just very selfish to think that only your gameplay experience is being affected, and even went out of your way to insult other plays you queue with and against:

If you care about rating go play team arena. Using solo arena for rating is just a bad idea period. Just because someone has good solo arena rating means absolutely nothing. At all.

Who are you to say that other people shouldn’t enjoy or care about their gameplay experience just because you don’t value things in that experience that others perhaps do?

In fact, you’ve basically said that you don’t care whether or not it effects your teammates. So you know what, even if you’re internet situation was treated too harshly and given a dishonorable debuff, your attitude solidifies that you in fact deserved the debuff.

Good day to you sir. I hope that you’re internet clears up enough so that when you are no longer being penalized, everything will be in order for you and everybody that comes in contact with you to have an enjoyable gameplay experience, without you DC’ing on them and then telling them what they value in a gameplay experience is worthless and that you shouldn’t be penalized because you played a rated internet game with an unreliable internet and put yourself at risk and your teammates at a disadvantage.

corin.1298:

Working well? So it’s supposed to punish people who can’t help the problem even when the disconnects are so seperated apart it doesn’t affect to much of the gameplay as a whole? I could understand if I dced 3 matches in one day.

this is why your reasoning is entirely egocentric and ridiculous.

you think your disconnects are so separated that it doesn’t affect much of the gameplay as a whole, and you might be right – but only about YOUR personal gameplay. what about those people you left hanging 4v5? you essentially screwed them over from the start each and every time you disconnected, no matter how “so separated apart” they seem to you. you think that doesn’t affect their gameplay? you think you’re the only dc’er who thinks this way?

please.

many of your ex-teammates would walk out of those matches losers, and head straight into (quite possibly consecutive) more 4v5s because people like you insist on queuing in spite of suboptimal connections.

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

leaderboard = doesnt matter to anyone, unless your with your little circle of no lifes pretending your kittenes.

rank = enough can be said bout this no value either unless u wanted the cool finisher its only good for.

only thing important is that you enjoy playing, so 4v5 is not fun for everyone, if you have bad connection stop playing, if you continue to ignore that then you deserve your debuff.

hmm i’m not sure about that, don’t they say " practice makes perfect" ? Yes the more you play the more you get good at what ever it is you’re playing, there’s not doubt abt it. That’s with everything in life too. So yes a rank 50 will show more on the battlefield than a new comer rank 1. Sry but that’s true unless someone rank 50 buys another account (for leaderboard purposes) and enters at rank 1 so there’s no way to know with ranks in that case only. But a genuine rank1 that faces a rank 50, yea there’s no doubt who will win the fight there.

rhycochet.5268:

this is why your reasoning is entirely egocentric and ridiculous.

you think your disconnects are so separated that it doesn’t affect much of the gameplay as a whole, and you might be right – but only about YOUR personal gameplay. what about those people you left hanging 4v5? you essentially screwed them over from the start each and every time you disconnected, no matter how “so separated apart” they seem to you. you think that doesn’t affect their gameplay? you think you’re the only dc’er who thinks this way?

please.

many of your ex-teammates would walk out of those matches losers, and head straight into (quite possibly consecutive) more 4v5s because people like you insist on queuing in spite of suboptimal connections.

You guys seem to think people like him are the cause of all these 4v5s you’re getting stuck in.

Hickups in internet cause a small, small fraction of 4v5s…
Play LoL, play any other game, it’s not many… it’s not enough for people to get frustrated and kittened off about.

Yes they suck, but it’s not the issue. The issue is a kittenty, kittenty match design.
There is no real ‘ready’ button.
You are forced into a match after matchmaking finds a place for you, or it ends as a 4v5.

That is the issue, that is what is causing the vast majority of 4v5s….
Beating up on kids with occasionally bad internet won’t make GW2 better.

Please guys this is not mature talking. How the heck anyone knows when their internet is going to have a hic-up? It can happen suddenly to anyone of us that doesn’t warrant this kind of hostility it’s just a game, chill. Don’t make it your life. Like the person above said it’s the system at fault not you’re occasional D/Cer who is. And yes they should put in place some AI that tells them who pushed some buttons and logged off intentionally and who lost a connection?

Windfury.3598:

Please guys this is not mature talking. How the heck anyone knows when their internet is going to have a hic-up? It can happen suddenly to anyone of us that doesn’t warrant this kind of hostility it’s just a game, chill. Don’t make it your life. Like the person above said it’s the system at fault not you’re occasional D/Cer who is. *And yes they should put in place some AI that tells them who pushed some buttons and logged off intentionally and who lost a connection? *

And then leavers would just pull the internet cable/switch off their wifi

garethh.3518:

rhycochet.5268:

this is why your reasoning is entirely egocentric and ridiculous.

you think your disconnects are so separated that it doesn’t affect much of the gameplay as a whole, and you might be right – but only about YOUR personal gameplay. what about those people you left hanging 4v5? you essentially screwed them over from the start each and every time you disconnected, no matter how “so separated apart” they seem to you. you think that doesn’t affect their gameplay? you think you’re the only dc’er who thinks this way?

please.

many of your ex-teammates would walk out of those matches losers, and head straight into (quite possibly consecutive) more 4v5s because people like you insist on queuing in spite of suboptimal connections.

Yes they suck, but it’s not the issue. The issue is a kittenty, kittenty match design.
There is no real ‘ready’ button.
You are forced into a match after matchmaking finds a place for you, or it ends as a 4v5.

There is, it’s the “Join” button.

only 1 day? so you are aware your internet is bad, you are aware you probably will leave your team with 4v5….you are seflish enough to keep continue to queue and you are complaining about 1 day dishonorable????

i would bann you from any kind of pvp for a week

i play from EU on NA server, if i get that weird lag that probably only EU ppl know of, i don’t queue, end of story

Windfury.3598:

Please guys this is not mature talking. How the heck anyone knows when their internet is going to have a hic-up? It can happen suddenly to anyone of us that doesn’t warrant this kind of hostility it’s just a game, chill. Don’t make it your life. Like the person above said it’s the system at fault not you’re occasional D/Cer who is. And yes they should put in place some AI that tells them who pushed some buttons and logged off intentionally and who lost a connection?

They expect you to ban your self the moment you get one issue, when your next one might not be until tomorrow.

Cynz.9437:

only 1 day? so you are aware your internet is bad, you are aware you probably will leave your team with 4v5….you are seflish enough to keep continue to queue and you are complaining about 1 day dishonorable????

i would bann you from any kind of pvp for a week

No, my internet is not bad. In fact, I don’t hardly ever have issues. It is something that started happening in the past 3 days. It’s not like I’m dcing over and over within a few hours, to think, “hey, I might need to take a break and try again later”.

you can just do hot join you know…

Vuh.1328:

Windfury.3598:

Please guys this is not mature talking. How the heck anyone knows when their internet is going to have a hic-up? It can happen suddenly to anyone of us that doesn’t warrant this kind of hostility it’s just a game, chill. Don’t make it your life. Like the person above said it’s the system at fault not you’re occasional D/Cer who is. *And yes they should put in place some AI that tells them who pushed some buttons and logged off intentionally and who lost a connection? *

And then leavers would just pull the internet cable/switch off their wifi

I overlooked this lols. Hopeless it is then.

garethh.3518:

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none of us would have said anything to him if he hadn’t decided to waltz in here complaining about the game while flaunting his enormous sense of entitlement.

the general consensus is this: get over yourself.

i never said that people who disconnect due to connection issues are the sole, or even major cause of 4v5s. the point is that they contribute to this imbalance, and there’s no reason they should be excused from the consequences that come with this if they insist on pushing their luck while ruining matches for others.

rhycochet.5268:

none of us would have said anything to him if he hadn’t decided to waltz in here complaining about the game while flaunting his enormous sense of entitlement.

the general consensus is this: get over yourself.

i never said that people who disconnect due to connection issues are the sole, or even major cause of 4v5s. the point is that they contribute to this imbalance, and there’s no reason they should be excused from the consequences that come with this if they insist on pushing their luck while ruining matches for others.

There is a difference between people who intentionally try to make a game worse for other players, and those that don’t do it near as often and have it taken out of their control.

Leavers should get punished.
People who intentionally and consistently make the game worse for other players shouldn’t be part of the game…
Someone who’s internet craps out on occasion is far from that… that’s what you guys don’t seem to grasp.

Different issues, different ‘punishments’.
If you’ve played any other online game you’ll know that ping/DC issues is just a rare’ish but inevitable part of playing an online game…

You guys speak like he’s devilishly selfish for wanting to play the game he paid money for…
What.
The.
kitten.

Chill out and calm down.
The issue with leavers is entirely around bad match design.
The vast majority of 4v5s have nothing to do with crappy internet so if you are kittened about 4v5s be kittened at the actual reason you have to live through so many of them… not some random guy being punished far more than any other game would for having crappy internet for a bit.

Last I checked you didn’t get banned from games like LoL for happening to have spastically high ping for a bit or a few DCs.
kittening hell, you guys make the LoL crowd seem nice when it comes to this stuff… and they aren’t.

A 24 hr ban is just a bad band aid until underlining problems get addressed. You guys are writing a soap opera.

garethh.3518:

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i’ll just refer back to your post about the absence of a “ready” button.

that button would do nothing.

it would not prevent dc’s from happening right after that button’s pressed.

it’s really as simple as this: if you’ve dc’d more than twice within 2 days, stop for a day and try again. don’t be stupid and keep trying when you’re one disconnect away from the punishment. you know the rules. common sense would have solved this problem.

If your connection/pc is unstable, you DON’T join a team game risking to ruin other people’s enjoyment.
Stick to hotjoin till it is fixed.

OP is literally saying his internet is unstable and wants to join the game with this internet (which he clearly has no control over) the day after DCing 3 times AGAIN. Wow.

There is absolutely no problem here with the system. Know the 4on5s you ocasionally have to endure? Listen to OP and it will become more frequent.

Dojo.1867:

OP is literally saying his internet is unstable and wants to join the game with this internet (which he clearly has no control over) the day after DCing 3 times AGAIN. Wow.

There is absolutely no problem here with the system. Know the 4on5s you ocasionally have to endure? Listen to OP and it will become more frequent.

Correction just to clarify. One dc during the night. One Dc the next morning, one Dc the next morning. Resulting in about a 20 hours ban. Not 3 in one day.

Edit: Basically one DC a day.

Double edit: And after I would be disconnected once, I could continue playing for the rest of the time I was on (several hours) making me assume it wasnt something going to happen again.

corin.1298:

Dojo.1867:

OP is literally saying his internet is unstable and wants to join the game with this internet (which he clearly has no control over) the day after DCing 3 times AGAIN. Wow.

There is absolutely no problem here with the system. Know the 4on5s you ocasionally have to endure? Listen to OP and it will become more frequent.

Correction just to clarify. One dc during the night. One Dc the next morning, one Dc the next morning. Resulting in about a 20 hours ban. Not 3 in one day.

Edit: Basically one DC a day.

So take those 20 hours, stop whining, and fix your Internet. I swear, some people…

Dishonorable is a mess. It forgets that real life happens and real issues come up with technology too.

There is a huge difference between repeats often offenders and the occasional “oh kitten I have to go” player. Only the former really needs to be punished.

Bombsaway.7198:

Dishonorable is a mess. It forgets that real life happens and real issues come up with technology too.

There is a huge difference between repeats often offenders and the occasional “oh kitten I have to go” player. Only the former really needs to be punished.

3 times in 3 days is the qualification used for dishonorable as a ‘repeat offender’. If you truly are just an occasional dropout, then you won’t hit that 3 times in 3 days metric, it’s just that simple.

Dojo.1867:

OP is literally saying his internet is unstable and wants to join the game with this internet (which he clearly has no control over) the day after DCing 3 times AGAIN. Wow.

3 times.
Over 3 days.

That is far less extreme, especially if you play the game allot.

rhycochet.5268:

i’ll just refer back to your post about the absence of a “ready” button.

that button would do nothing.

it would not prevent dc’s from happening right after that button’s pressed.

Tweaks to match design, like a ‘ready button’, would prevent the majority of 4v5s…
That’s fixing the core of the issue.

rhycochet.5268:

it’s really as simple as this: if you’ve dc’d more than twice within 2 days, stop for a day and try again. don’t be stupid and keep trying when you’re one disconnect away from the punishment. you know the rules. common sense would have solved this problem.

???
You are justifying why the rule should be the rule with “you know the rules”.
Seriously?

“stupid and keep trying”…
You mean “playing the game he finds entertaining and paid money for”?
Having to stop playing a game for a few days is an abnormally harsh punishment for very occasionally spazy internet.

DCs should result in you losing all rating lost off your entire team combined and maybe some bonus gold out of the DCed guys pocket donated to his teammates.

This should replace the current dishonorable debuff.

So sorry to say, but I think that ANet is making the right decision. Whether you DCed intentionally or due to bad connection, the fact remains that your account has proven itself to be not worthy of tournaments (MULTIPLE disconnects over a period of days is just not good enough to play in tournaments). Each DC ruins the game for nine other players. This policy seems completely justified.

Getting a dishonorable buff from the queue version of hot join is just silly… lol “tournament” xDD

garethh.3518:

Dojo.1867:

OP is literally saying his internet is unstable and wants to join the game with this internet (which he clearly has no control over) the day after DCing 3 times AGAIN. Wow.

3 times.
Over 3 days.

That is far less extreme, especially if you play the game allot.

rhycochet.5268:

i’ll just refer back to your post about the absence of a “ready” button.

that button would do nothing.

it would not prevent dc’s from happening right after that button’s pressed.

Tweaks to match design, like a ‘ready button’, would prevent the majority of 4v5s…
That’s fixing the core of the issue.

rhycochet.5268:

it’s really as simple as this: if you’ve dc’d more than twice within 2 days, stop for a day and try again. don’t be stupid and keep trying when you’re one disconnect away from the punishment. you know the rules. common sense would have solved this problem.

???
You are justifying why the rule should be the rule with “you know the rules”.
Seriously?

“stupid and keep trying”…
You mean “playing the game he finds entertaining and paid money for”?
Having to stop playing a game for a few days is an abnormally harsh punishment for very occasionally spazy internet.

What the kitten you would want someone in your team that DCs once like every 4 games?

Dojo.1867:

What the kitten you would want someone in your team that DCs once like every 4 games?

4 might be a bit over the top.

But lets assume he plays 10 games a day and DCs once per day. Doesnt sound like a big deal does it? He contributes like everyone else during 90% of his games and only DCs 10% of his games. Right?

But in theory this could mean that every single soloq game could end up being a 4v5. Since its “ok” to DC once a day (which isnt more than 10 games a day for most).

Or people that play only a few games per day could end up just afking out one of their games since their stacks get reset a few hours later anyway. So the punishment needs to be severe enough or people just laugh about it and afk out whenever they like.

Locuz.2651:

Dojo.1867:

What the kitten you would want someone in your team that DCs once like every 4 games?

4 might be a bit over the top.

But lets assume he plays 10 games a day and DCs once per day. Doesnt sound like a big deal does it? He contributes like everyone else during 90% of his games and only DCs 10% of his games. Right?

But in theory this could mean that every single soloq game could end up being a 4v5. Since its “ok” to DC once a day (which isnt more than 10 games a day for most).

Or people that play only a few games per day could end up just afking out one of their games since their stacks get reset a few hours later anyway. So the punishment needs to be severe enough or people just laugh about it and afk out whenever they like.

Reminds me of GW1 where I can’t seem to remember the downtime ever extending beyond 10 minutes. It didn’t really discourage people from afk’ing or ragequitting at all, they just wouldn’t rage every match.