Guild Wars 2

Not good.

Any class can kill any class with just popping all CDs.

Depends on team engagments mostly, which is boring.

Dumb idea of having auto-level 80 at the start and not even earning it..

I personally think this game’s pvp is the same thing over and over, no point at all. Not even rewarding since you can’t even use pvp gear in pve.

Point taken. I disagree with most of your points, but that doesn’t mean you are incorrect.

Jeez, have you guys never played any other kind of pvp games that are not mmorpgs? Like Counter-Strike? Or Starcraft? Or DoTA? Those games are the “same thing” over and over and there’s no PvE gear there to earn, why do people keep playing it? CAUSE IT’S FUN.

Boogle.8204:

Jeez, have you guys never played any other kind of pvp games that are not mmorpgs? Like Counter-Strike? Or Starcraft? Or DoTA? Those games are the “same thing” over and over and there’s no PvE gear there to earn, why do people keep playing it? CAUSE IT’S FUN.

Why so aggressive?

Did you even play the first Guild Wars?

You could make a max level, pvp-only character right off the bat and take him straight into pvp.

Sounds like you pvp for the wrong reasons.

If you don’t take joy out of smashing another player, or having your team (pug or organized) come together and win, no amount of updates to this game will satisfy you.

The random server games are just practice for when you do tournaments, its an ideal place to flesh out trait/gear builds that best suit you before taking them into tournaments with your guild.

Boogle.8204:

Jeez, have you guys never played any other kind of pvp games that are not mmorpgs? Like Counter-Strike? Or Starcraft? Or DoTA? Those games are the “same thing” over and over and there’s no PvE gear there to earn, why do people keep playing it? CAUSE IT’S FUN.

I’m High Masters in Starcraft 2, and i’m 1400 ELO in League of Legends.

My point is, pvp has nothing to gain. It’s not FUN after 5 of the same games, smashing the same 6-7 keys each engagement. Idk wtf how you really think that’s fun.

If they maybe put a Talent Tree, it’d atleast have some Customization, and it’d be fun having a different spec than everyone else, rather then being able to change your skills whenever the hell you feel like it.

I’m High Masters in Starcraft 2, and i’m 1400 ELO in League of Legends.

My point is, pvp has nothing to gain. It’s not FUN after 5 of the same games, smashing the same 6-7 keys each engagement. Idk wtf how you really think that’s fun.

If they maybe put a Talent Tree, it’d atleast have some Customization, and it’s be fun having a different spec than everyone else, rather then being able to change your skills whenever the hell you feel like it.

Would you mind telling us what profession you play? Your build? Are you in a guild?

I’m going to be honest this looks like a troll post.

Hammerheart.1426:

I’m High Masters in Starcraft 2, and i’m 1400 ELO in League of Legends.

My point is, pvp has nothing to gain. It’s not FUN after 5 of the same games, smashing the same 6-7 keys each engagement. Idk wtf how you really think that’s fun.

If they maybe put a Talent Tree, it’d atleast have some Customization, and it’s be fun having a different spec than everyone else, rather then being able to change your skills whenever the hell you feel like it.

Would you mind telling us what profession you play? Your build? Are you in a guild?

I’m going to be honest this looks like a troll post.

Thief (cause I played a Rogue in WOW with 2400+ Arena MMR). I’m built as Daggers (Hide in Shadows, Spider venom, Haste, Signet of Shadows, Thieves Guild). And yes i’m in a guild.

PVP at the moment is a zergfest and I’m fine with it. I’m not seeing this game’s PVP becoming something grand or even big (Like WoW) but it’s a nice option to have.

If you have the attitude that there is nothing to gain, you are already starting this game off on the wrong foot.

Go do tournament pvp matches with your guild, win, and then come back and tell me you aren’t having any fun.

The point of pvp in this game is not about “how can I impress people as an individual?”

It’s, “how can I best serve my team so we win?”

If you just log in and hit PLAY NOW of course you are going to get bored and see no inherent value (although the pure aesthetic armor appeals to me a great deal).

There is no silly arena rating here, no item values, no big banner that says “IM GREAT”, its all about your team.

eSsXiV.9423:

Boogle.8204:

Jeez, have you guys never played any other kind of pvp games that are not mmorpgs? Like Counter-Strike? Or Starcraft? Or DoTA? Those games are the “same thing” over and over and there’s no PvE gear there to earn, why do people keep playing it? CAUSE IT’S FUN.

I’m High Masters in Starcraft 2, and i’m 1400 ELO in League of Legends.

My point is, pvp has nothing to gain. It’s not FUN after 5 of the same games, smashing the same 6-7 keys each engagement. Idk wtf how you really think that’s fun.

If they maybe put a Talent Tree, it’d atleast have some Customization, and it’d be fun having a different spec than everyone else, rather then being able to change your skills whenever the hell you feel like it.

I was a platium player both solo q and in team in lol and played for over 2 years in top guilds at gw1, theres nothing wrong with this pvp, the only main thing this pvp miss atm is a ranking system “i would love if they decided to copy gw1 gvg kind of style” lock a map for ur guild and when u win u gain “elo, rating” when winning. Atm the pvp do not feel motivating that i can agree with. But the play style is greater and bigger with more oppertunities then any other pvp game in the history of gaming. (sry for poor english)

Hammerheart.1426:

If you have the attitude that there is nothing to gain, you are already starting this game off on the wrong foot.

Go do tournament pvp matches with your guild, win, and then come back and tell me you aren’t having any fun.

The point of pvp in this game is not about “how can I impress people as an individual?”

It’s, “how can I best serve my team so we win?”

If you just log in and hit PLAY NOW of course you are going to get bored and see no inherent value (although the pure aesthetic armor appeals to me a great deal).

There is no silly arena rating here, no item values, no big banner that says “IM GREAT”, its all about your team.

Everything that you just stated is boring.

Hammerheart.1426:

If you have the attitude that there is nothing to gain, you are already starting this game off on the wrong foot.

Go do tournament pvp matches with your guild, win, and then come back and tell me you aren’t having any fun.

The point of pvp in this game is not about “how can I impress people as an individual?”

It’s, “how can I best serve my team so we win?”

If you just log in and hit PLAY NOW of course you are going to get bored and see no inherent value (although the pure aesthetic armor appeals to me a great deal).

There is no silly arena rating here, no item values, no big banner that says “IM GREAT”, its all about your team.

Here’s the HUGE problem that you (and many – I don’t want to pick on you alone) are missing:

some people don’t want to have to play the game “hardcore” to have fun. Look, in the past I was in high end PvP guilds who were consistently near the top of our server. I enjoyed it, and I would like to eventually find and get involved with such a thing in this game, if the PvP reaches a point where I think it’s balanced/good/fun/etc.

At the same time, I also liked just joining a match solo or with a guildmate or friend, and I also reached a point where I wanted to take a break from the stress involved in doing high level matches all the time and play more casually. This was always an option.

It’s really not in this game, and the fact that every time someone complains about PvP balance, mechanics, or anything else about PvP the response from folks is “go play some organized tournaments it isn’t like that in there” is as good a proof as any.

It’s great to have this option available, but if a more balanced, fun, and workable option for casual PvP isn’t brought into this game, it’s not going to survive, because a few high end guilds doing tournaments is only going to provide so much activity. This game, like any, needs to thrive on the masses.

So again, I’m not saying its bad that such high end play is rewarded or has its own place, but if the only thing that we can tell people who don’t like the state of PvP is that they should go play some super organized tournaments games, then we have a problem.

I hate to grind for gear and i love this idea of being able to just jump in and start playing.

BUT i find it hardly any fun to play this game cause of the following reasons:

1. the game has more pets/minions/illusions etc. than players.

2. roll a 5man team of asuras and name them alike. You cant tell the class by looking at one of them.

3. handful of builds that kill you in 2 seconds no matter what you are playing.

4. the fact that your camera is trying to peak into your @%# 50% of the time,
cause of the small areas you are forced to fight in.

5. the list would be endless but i think there is enough already to make my point.

Now picture a typical fight scene, say 3v3 on a point where 2 are mesmers with those lovely illusions
and phantasms and a thief with thiefs guild + ambush and lets also throw in some random rockdogs.
There you are standing trying to keep the camera well positioned and keep
a track what class stands and where and what is the real mesmer while trying to do something
constructive yourself too.
Your whole screen is full of rainbow colors flying everywhere and then it happens, the thief jumps on you
with haste and all other possible cd’s he got and your dead 1sek later.

I believe that there is that 3% of the community who can actually see that little asura emotion
where he loads that haste or bullscharge and knows its coming to him.
But that really doesnt comfort me that much.

So my opinion is that the PVP at its current state is really far from “FUN”.

keroksi.3076:

I hate to grind for gear and i love this idea of being able to just jump in and start playing.

BUT i find it hardly any fun to play this game cause of the following reasons:

1. the game has more pets/minions/illusions etc. than players.

2. roll a 5man team of asuras and name them alike. You cant tell the class by looking at one of them.

3. handful of builds that kill you in 2 seconds no matter what you are playing.

4. the fact that your camera is trying to peak into your @%# 50% of the time,
cause of the small areas you are forced to fight in.

5. the list would be endless but i think there is enough already to make my point.

Now picture a typical fight scene, say 3v3 on a point where 2 are mesmers with those lovely illusions
and phantasms and a thief with thiefs guild + ambush and lets also throw in some random rockdogs.
There you are standing trying to keep the camera well positioned and keep
a track what class stands and where and what is the real mesmer while trying to do something
constructive yourself too.
Your whole screen is full of rainbow colors flying everywhere and then it happens, the thief jumps on you
with haste and all other possible cd’s he got and your dead 1sek later.

I believe that there is that 3% of the community who can actually see that little asura emotion
where he loads that haste or bullscharge and knows its coming to him.
But that really doesnt comfort me that much.

So my opinion is that the PVP at its current state is really far from “FUN”.

You’re quite correct, but what you’ll very likely get is a series of responses telling you that this is all a matter of skill and that you just need to improve, when they cannot even do it themselves and are talking, not from experience, but rather from a place of wanting to try to find a way to defend the game in its current state.

The irony is that they’re doing the game a huge disservice. This game right now is not all that it could be, and I think all that it could be is really pretty good. If it’s ever going to get there, though, we need people to start looking honestly at its weaknesses and start working towards/pushing for/hoping for improvements.

Skolops.2604:

You’re quite correct, but what you’ll very likely get is a series of responses telling you that this is all a matter of skill and that you just need to improve, when they cannot even do it themselves and are talking, not from experience, but rather from a place of wanting to try to find a way to defend the game in its current state.

The irony is that they’re doing the game a huge disservice. This game right now is not all that it could be, and I think all that it could be is really pretty good. If it’s ever going to get there, though, we need people to start looking honestly at its weaknesses and start working towards/pushing for/hoping for improvements.

Yeah, I knew that when I was writing it, but getting even this one reply where someone actually feels the same way, somehow made it already worth writing, so thanks for that.
ps. I also agree with the later part.

I’m having fun. (:
Having a team of nice people, with some structured tournament play, with a proper set-up and point splitting your team so you can support eachother. It’s far from a zerg fest, and if you do zerg, you lose.
The AI massive armies of mobs i do hate aswell, but mweh, easily countered so it doesn’t bother me to much.

The PvP in it’s current state is fine, and it’s fun. I do however look forward to a more developed PvP scene (Which will obviously come in time, be patient for gods sake the game is less than a month old.) and until then, i’ll have fun stomping noobs.

And i can’t be thankful enough to Anet for removing gearscaling in PvP. Now, the more skillful team wins. Not the nerds who farmed the most so their e-penors could grow humongous. Having fun, getting a higher rank, goodlooking gear, is good enough motivation for me to PvP. And i can’t wait for it to improve even more. (:

If you want gearscaling, get back to WoW or some other trash-pvp farming game. If that’s the attitude you have, this game is not for you. And neither is Dota, LoL, HoN, starcraft. All you get is a higher status, just like you do here. They are repetitive, non-rewarding. But the GAMEPLAY is fun.

keroksi.3076:

I hate to grind for gear and i love this idea of being able to just jump in and start playing.

BUT i find it hardly any fun to play this game cause of the following reasons:

1. the game has more pets/minions/illusions etc. than players.

2. roll a 5man team of asuras and name them alike. You cant tell the class by looking at one of them.

3. handful of builds that kill you in 2 seconds no matter what you are playing.

4. the fact that your camera is trying to peak into your @%# 50% of the time,
cause of the small areas you are forced to fight in.

5. the list would be endless but i think there is enough already to make my point.

Now picture a typical fight scene, say 3v3 on a point where 2 are mesmers with those lovely illusions
and phantasms and a thief with thiefs guild + ambush and lets also throw in some random rockdogs.
There you are standing trying to keep the camera well positioned and keep
a track what class stands and where and what is the real mesmer while trying to do something
constructive yourself too.
Your whole screen is full of rainbow colors flying everywhere and then it happens, the thief jumps on you
with haste and all other possible cd’s he got and your dead 1sek later.

I believe that there is that 3% of the community who can actually see that little asura emotion
where he loads that haste or bullscharge and knows its coming to him.
But that really doesnt comfort me that much.

So my opinion is that the PVP at its current state is really far from “FUN”.

I agree with you partially. I can tell the difference between the players for the most part, but I smash the tab key before any fight. That might be why. I may lose track of a character with all the illusions and what not running about, but I always know what I am up against.

Yeah pvp really didnt live up to my expectations. Main reasons in 8v8 are:

- 8v8 it self it has to be 5v5 to make sense.
- glory system where worse you play more glory you get
- levels should be awarded for wins and not for amount of glory so people will actualy try to win
- mass npc spam
- op mesmers
- gimmicky classes
- inbalance
- only domination maps
- i could go on but this is enough

in this state e-sports are not an option

eSsXiV.9423:

Dumb idea of having auto-level 80 at the start and not even earning it..

I personally think this game’s pvp is the same thing over and over, no point at all. Not even rewarding since you can’t even use pvp gear in pve.

these two things

oh my god

i think i hate you

i know im supposed to be supportive and give constructive criticism, but please, leave, the fact that you dislike thsoe two things makes me fear that if you EVER have a impact on this game…the one game i finally feel tailored to my tastes, your going to destroy it.

please

lyn.4156:

- levels should be awarded for wins and not for amount of glory so people will actualy try to win

This by itself would make the pvp so much better. Think of what league of legends and starcraft 2 both have. To get the max amount of whatever you’re looking for you have to win. Starcraft you have to win to rank up, league of legends if you win you get more IP points then if you lose. With no incentive to win the game it turns games into a mashed zergfest with people not caring if they win or lose, only if they get as many glory points as possible. Kind of like a game of call of duty. Just random idiots running around killing each other for no reason.

Criticism of the current PvP state in this thread has my full support. Can we get ANet to comment how they feel about it?