Guild Wars 2

That was such a punch in the gut when i heard it’s going to be so easy. I am rank 50 and i do NOT want to get max rank just in 5 ranks. Not only is it unfair for veterans like Ostricheggs who you mentioned (who basically wasted 1 year to get from 55 to 70) but it means (at least for me, and hopefully for many others) that there is no reason to rank further, IF just in few months everyone will be maxed rank like i will. The mystery behind the dragon finisher; and also the title below thew name was a really big force that was pushing me to play pvp, even though it has problems with decap engies, warriors and minions/spirits.
IF you want to keep on going in the same direction, at least cut the max rank points you need to get for 80 into half. Meaning players who are rank 70 or 71, are the only ones who can be with the dragon finisher.
The reason why we wanted to keep the ranks was not because we just liked the rank system, but because we wanted to be different from others. Showing the title, showing the finisher.
I am sure the new rewards and skins are really cool (and needed in terms of rewards) but to be honest, i feel like its going to be too easy for to get (unless you give us a skin which takes 1000 of hours of pvp-ing to obtain.). It’s like giving pve players a legendary for just a fifth of the price. Not fair for people who got it the hard way.
Yes, its too much time to get to rank 80, thats I why suggested you to cut in half the time it takes to get the max. But nerfing it by 80% is just….cheap. People who are rank 70 want to be different from 55 ones. And there are not many people with rank 70+, like it is with 55+.
I don’t often make topics, but when i do, I seriously have to be kittened. So i am begging, don’t make it so easy.

I like almost everything in that blog update, and upscaling player’s existing rank to compensate for rank gains increase make sense. But 55—→dragon…come on.

Don’t get me wrong, I also like the new progression (minus the rank 55 – Here, have a dragon), I just want something, that only hardcore players will have, like a long term goal, which is not intended for casuals.

I agree with! It would be nice to change this to a higher rank (65, 70 or 75)!

I think maybe 60 ot 65 would have been better for dragon, but come one. Relax, we all saw it coming. People who put in the hours for 60 deserve to be dragons by now… Everyone is just so used to being kitten on that finally being retroactively rewarded for the poor launch design feels like punishment…

The SMART way would of been to do it like 60>70 and 70>80 etc.

You dont need to worry about Ostrich, he will be fine … or maybe …or not …
Whatever ,let’s Phoenix become an icon , and Dragon will be a legend .
Rush to mid bear to dragon ,what are you thinking A-net? Pokemons with the Evolutionary Stone ?

Yeah, they could have certainly did it better, but in reality… no one would have been happy. People still want to grind? They could have made everyone stay the same rank and have them continue to grind to 80 from there, then they’d kitten about how it wasn’t “retroactive” enough… These devs can’t win lol.

would most of you turds shutup if rank 55 get to be rank 79 only. and not dragon? and rank 70+ players will be dragons? will you stfu? geez the crying! it wont matter coz either way players will reach rank 80 you like it or not because rank is time spent not skill. put that in your little brains. you want prestige wait for the ladder!

get over it already! if you want to farm gold hundreds of hours to feel special do it!
pvp is about skill and about skill only. Even if i’m highrank i’m happy for the change!
Farming skyhammer while watching television should have never been rewarded.
Stop this pve mentality!

It’s not like rank 55+ players (outside of Skyhammer) didn’t put in TONS of kitten time as it is… Except Skyhammer farmers, but guess what? No alternative would have changed the fact that they gained all those ranks. That’s an entirely different issue all together.

when developers are faced with decisions that may attract new players whilst potentially alienating current players, they will always side with attracting new players

maybe someone is new, and they are interested in GW2, so they go to twitch to see what it is like, which is the smart thing to do nowadays, it’s almost like try b4 u buy

and they see a streamer by the name of OstrichtAggz, and decide to tune in, within seconds they will hear the rants of pro-nolifer saying things like, “AMFG GUYS OK, I’M NOT CHANGING THE BUTTROCK AND LOL I HAVE OVER 90000 MATCHEZ PLAYED AND IM STILL R64”

the viewer will go "amg, this guy has played so long and he hasn’t reached the highest heights yet? HOW WILL I EVER SOAR LIKE A DRAGON?!?! " and go play some competitors inferior product

I don’t get this at all. At first people were complaining hard about how unobtainable Dragon was, now that it’s obtainable people are complaining, kitten ed if you do or don’t apparently….

Static.9841:

I don’t get this at all. At first people were complaining hard about how unobtainable Dragon was, now that it’s obtainable people are complaining, kitten ed if you do or don’t apparently….

Few complained about 80 being so far away. The idea was to be able to reach it in 5-6 years. There’s no reason why we can’t have such long term goals.

Im sure FAR fewer wanted it to be a 5-6 year goal than those who wanted it to be a somewhat reachable 1-1.5 year goal…. As was quite vocally expressed for a long time until people just started to assume it’d never change. If you want longer goals than what is realistic, make up your own like 10k tourny wins or something.

ronpierce.2760:

make up your own like 10k tourny wins or something.

What’s the point when people won’t know about it? We want rewards to show off/prestige. If Anet gave a new title track to mimic the erstwhile long term rank, that’d be cool.

Maybe you’re rallying for the wrong thing? Be more productive. Let them make the game better, and ask for more titles and achievements based on tourney wins, rather than an arbitrary number that already doesn’t say much because of how many people have cheated the system. You can’t cheat tourney wins (for the most part). Sounds like a better goal to show off than ranks…

ronpierce.2760:

Maybe you’re rallying for the wrong thing? Be more productive. Let them make the game better, and ask for more titles and achievements based on tourney wins, rather than an arbitrary number that already doesn’t say much because of how many people have cheated the system. You can’t cheat tourney wins (for the most part). Sounds like a better goal to show off than ranks…

Great. I have no issues with them making tourney wins part of a long term title. But give us something! Anything!

As someone who played for 1500hours+ pvp i’m very happy I will be rewarded appropriately. Do not change it, thanks.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHGADAHGJAAHGAHA!!!!!!!

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO ENJOY A GAME IF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE WHAT I HAVE. MY ENJOYMENT DEPENDS ON PEOPLE NOT HAVING WHAT I HAVE.

WAAAAAAHJKFHAlakhadsljgsdfashj!!!!!!

Zenith.7301:

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHGADAHGJAAHGAHA!!!!!!!

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO ENJOY A GAME IF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE WHAT I HAVE. MY ENJOYMENT DEPENDS ON PEOPLE NOT HAVING WHAT I HAVE.

WAAAAAAHJKFHAlakhadsljgsdfashj!!!!!!

It´s not about that.
Fun is in playing the game itself.

What we are here discussing is all about prestige and recognition for playing the game for long. Something that is being destroyed with all rank 50´s being a dragon.

Yeah.., exactly what he said…?

ronpierce.2760:

Yeah.., exactly what he said…?

It has nothing to do with what he said.
It works as a personal achievement and own satisfaction acomplishment.
You don´t need to be the only dragon in order to enjoy pvp, pvp is fun in itself.
However, you feel cool for being recognized for your dedication and personal effort, which has nothing to do with having fun because of others lack of things.

People need objectives in life, also in a game. If you cut that, feel free to welcome the quit of players.

Jackums.3496:

I’m a R50 player and I’m happy with this change, after having played consistently for the past 12+ months. I think that’s easily enough time invested to warrant the dragon finisher (and I still have around five ranks to go before I get there).

bhagwad.4281:

Static.9841:

I don’t get this at all. At first people were complaining hard about how unobtainable Dragon was, now that it’s obtainable people are complaining, kitten ed if you do or don’t apparently….

Few complained about 80 being so far away. The idea was to be able to reach it in 5-6 years. There’s no reason why we can’t have such long term goals.

Plenty complained about it. The complaints died down because ANet said they were looking into lowering the requirements for ranks.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

ronpierce.2760:

Yeah.., exactly what he said…?

It has nothing to do with what he said.
It works as a personal achievement and own satisfaction acomplishment.
You don´t need to be the only dragon in order to enjoy pvp, pvp is fun in itself.
However, you feel cool for being recognized for your dedication and personal effort, which has nothing to do with having fun because of others lack of things.

People need objectives in life, also in a game. If you cut that, feel free to welcome the quit of players.

If you want to be recognized, you should be focusing on the leaderboards, not some rank-based reward that any half-decent player can farm in hotjoin.

I am already top 10 europe solo q with hidden mmr reseting once played game.

Its a life time prestige achievement and we want it to stay being recognized. The real measure should be r70=dragon

Do NOT make level 80 so obtainable!!! /sarcasm

I wish people would stop equating rank with skill or prestige rather than time played.

Chaba.5410:

Do NOT make level 80 so obtainable!!! /sarcasm

I wish people would stop equating rank with skill or prestige rather than time played.

I keep hearing this, but are you saying that time played does not need to be rewarded? How am I being treated in a special way for playing longer than others? Remember this is an MMO. The goal is to spend as much time playing as possible.

bhagwad.4281:

Chaba.5410:

Do NOT make level 80 so obtainable!!! /sarcasm

I wish people would stop equating rank with skill or prestige rather than time played.

I keep hearing this, but are you saying that time played does not need to be rewarded? How am I being treated in a special way for playing longer than others? Remember this is an MMO. The goal is to spend as much time playing as possible.

Time played is still being rewarded by rank. There’s a cap to it. You will continue to gain “rank levels” after you reach the cap and will receive a chest for doing so. In the PvE game mode, you hit level 80 and continue to gain a skill point for every “level” you gain after that. That’s called “end-game” and Anet continues to provide “end-game” content and rewards.

Chaba.5410:

bhagwad.4281:

Chaba.5410:

Do NOT make level 80 so obtainable!!! /sarcasm

I wish people would stop equating rank with skill or prestige rather than time played.

I keep hearing this, but are you saying that time played does not need to be rewarded? How am I being treated in a special way for playing longer than others? Remember this is an MMO. The goal is to spend as much time playing as possible.

Time played is still being rewarded by rank. There’s a cap to it. You will continue to gain “rank levels” after you reach the cap and will receive a chest for doing so. In the PvE game mode, you hit level 80 and continue to gain a skill point for every “level” you gain after that. That’s called “end-game” and Anet continues to provide “end-game” content and rewards.

You know what you are saying is pure trash because pvp is not pve and if you go back to guild wars 1 dragon rank is tied to the only.pvp dedicated players and is something only a very few should have

Chaba.5410:

bhagwad.4281:

Chaba.5410:

Do NOT make level 80 so obtainable!!! /sarcasm

I wish people would stop equating rank with skill or prestige rather than time played.

I keep hearing this, but are you saying that time played does not need to be rewarded? How am I being treated in a special way for playing longer than others? Remember this is an MMO. The goal is to spend as much time playing as possible.

Time played is still being rewarded by rank. There’s a cap to it. You will continue to gain “rank levels” after you reach the cap and will receive a chest for doing so. In the PvE game mode, you hit level 80 and continue to gain a skill point for every “level” you gain after that. That’s called “end-game” and Anet continues to provide “end-game” content and rewards.

In PvE, there are other measure for how much time is spent. Like gold for instance! Or legendaries! Or achievements! In PvP, rank is the only thing we had and now they’re taking that away from us as well.

You only focus on what is “taken away”. Did you ever consider that PvP was dying and its environment had become downright toxic? You need new blood, and you need it yesterday. This is the best thing they could have done to ensure longevity and sustenance of a solid PvP community. We have nothing to gain from a shaky raging PvP community that tears apart every time the devs tinker with class balance. We need a solid foundation, and I truly believe they’ve done the right thing to create one. A rank finisher is worth nothing if you’re queuing 30 minutes just to use it.

Buttercup.5871:

You only focus on what is “taken away”. Did you ever consider that PvP was dying and the environment has become downright toxic? You need new blood, and you need it yesterday. This is the best thing they could have done to ensure longevity and sustenance of a solid PvP community. We have nothing to gain from a shaky raging PvP community that tears apart every time the devs tinker with class balance. We need a solid foundation, and I truly believe they’ve done the right thing to create one. A rank finisher is worth nothing if you’re queuing 30 minutes just to use it.

Wow… best post I’ve read in a long time. This is so true.
This update will bring MANY new players to PvP. And after that everything will be easier. Structure can be better, we can have proper ladders, seasons and all that (I keep repeating this one). More players = better. Less players = worse. It’s that simple.

Buttercup.5871:

You only focus on what is “taken away”. Did you ever consider that PvP was dying and its environment had become downright toxic? You need new blood, and you need it yesterday. This is the best thing they could have done to ensure longevity and sustenance of a solid PvP community. We have nothing to gain from a shaky raging PvP community that tears apart every time the devs tinker with class balance. We need a solid foundation, and I truly believe they’ve done the right thing to create one. A rank finisher is worth nothing if you’re queuing 30 minutes just to use it.

That’s very short sighted. Years and years later, what’s to distinguish players from beta from those who joined half a year ago?

bhagwad.4281:

Buttercup.5871:

You only focus on what is “taken away”. Did you ever consider that PvP was dying and its environment had become downright toxic? You need new blood, and you need it yesterday. This is the best thing they could have done to ensure longevity and sustenance of a solid PvP community. We have nothing to gain from a shaky raging PvP community that tears apart every time the devs tinker with class balance. We need a solid foundation, and I truly believe they’ve done the right thing to create one. A rank finisher is worth nothing if you’re queuing 30 minutes just to use it.

That’s very short sighted. Years and years later, what’s to distinguish players from beta from those who joined half a year ago?

Veteran/Challenger/Soldier of the arena titles.

Rezz.8019:

bhagwad.4281:

Buttercup.5871:

You only focus on what is “taken away”. Did you ever consider that PvP was dying and its environment had become downright toxic? You need new blood, and you need it yesterday. This is the best thing they could have done to ensure longevity and sustenance of a solid PvP community. We have nothing to gain from a shaky raging PvP community that tears apart every time the devs tinker with class balance. We need a solid foundation, and I truly believe they’ve done the right thing to create one. A rank finisher is worth nothing if you’re queuing 30 minutes just to use it.

That’s very short sighted. Years and years later, what’s to distinguish players from beta from those who joined half a year ago?

Veteran/Challenger/Soldier of the arena titles.

As long as it’s something and as long as there’s something to always look forward to, I’m ok. Even 3 years later, there should be a title/mini/rank whatever that no one has achieved yet.

bhagwad.4281:

Buttercup.5871:

You only focus on what is “taken away”. Did you ever consider that PvP was dying and its environment had become downright toxic? You need new blood, and you need it yesterday. This is the best thing they could have done to ensure longevity and sustenance of a solid PvP community. We have nothing to gain from a shaky raging PvP community that tears apart every time the devs tinker with class balance. We need a solid foundation, and I truly believe they’ve done the right thing to create one. A rank finisher is worth nothing if you’re queuing 30 minutes just to use it.

That’s very short sighted. Years and years later, what’s to distinguish players from beta from those who joined half a year ago?

The only thing short-sighted is your response and view point. There’s no point being king of the mountain when in fact your mountain is a molehill and your subjects are so few. You’re being very blinkered.

You are ignoring the current state and lack of popularity of PvP right now. Your viewpoint stems from elitism, over what? a Banner? Wouldn’t it be better to have a steady influx of players and new blood to pvp to actually play with/against which will then have a healthier impact on future changes?

Did you ever think the reason why little gets done to PvP could be down to the amount of players in it compared to the other 2 game modes (Wv3 & PvE) which currently makes it a smaller priority for them to change?

I’ve worked hard for my rank as well, but I welcome these changes if it brings in new players and makes PvP more popular than it already is, rather than the vacant swamp it has become.

Static.9841:

bhagwad.4281:

Buttercup.5871:

You only focus on what is “taken away”. Did you ever consider that PvP was dying and its environment had become downright toxic? You need new blood, and you need it yesterday. This is the best thing they could have done to ensure longevity and sustenance of a solid PvP community. We have nothing to gain from a shaky raging PvP community that tears apart every time the devs tinker with class balance. We need a solid foundation, and I truly believe they’ve done the right thing to create one. A rank finisher is worth nothing if you’re queuing 30 minutes just to use it.

That’s very short sighted. Years and years later, what’s to distinguish players from beta from those who joined half a year ago?

The only thing short-sighted is your response and view point. There’s no point being king of the mountain when in fact your mountain is a molehill and your subjects are so few. You’re being very blinkered.

You are ignoring the current state and lack of popularity of PvP right now. Your viewpoint stems from elitism, over what? a Banner? Wouldn’t it be better to have a steady influx of players and new blood to pvp to actually play with/against which will then have a healthier impact on future changes?

Did you ever think the reason why little gets done to PvP could be down to the amount of players in it compared to the other 2 game modes (Wv3 & PvE) which currently makes it a smaller priority for them to change?

I’ve worked hard for my rank as well, but I welcome these changes if it brings in new players and makes PvP more popular than it already is, rather than the vacant swamp it has become.

Where is the question of “instead”? This is a false dichotomy. Anet can easily implement a system in half a day to satisfy everyone. This is not a zero sum game (pun intended) you know…

bhagwad.4281:

Static.9841:

bhagwad.4281:

Buttercup.5871:

You only focus on what is “taken away”. Did you ever consider that PvP was dying and its environment had become downright toxic? You need new blood, and you need it yesterday. This is the best thing they could have done to ensure longevity and sustenance of a solid PvP community. We have nothing to gain from a shaky raging PvP community that tears apart every time the devs tinker with class balance. We need a solid foundation, and I truly believe they’ve done the right thing to create one. A rank finisher is worth nothing if you’re queuing 30 minutes just to use it.

That’s very short sighted. Years and years later, what’s to distinguish players from beta from those who joined half a year ago?

The only thing short-sighted is your response and view point. There’s no point being king of the mountain when in fact your mountain is a molehill and your subjects are so few. You’re being very blinkered.

You are ignoring the current state and lack of popularity of PvP right now. Your viewpoint stems from elitism, over what? a Banner? Wouldn’t it be better to have a steady influx of players and new blood to pvp to actually play with/against which will then have a healthier impact on future changes?

Did you ever think the reason why little gets done to PvP could be down to the amount of players in it compared to the other 2 game modes (Wv3 & PvE) which currently makes it a smaller priority for them to change?

I’ve worked hard for my rank as well, but I welcome these changes if it brings in new players and makes PvP more popular than it already is, rather than the vacant swamp it has become.

Where is the question of “instead”? This is a false dichotomy. Anet can easily implement a system in half a day to satisfy everyone. This is not a zero sum game (pun intended) you know…

This is also not a game that caters to your own personal wishlist.

Well done on completely evading anything I said in your totally well -thought out response.

Static.9841:

bhagwad.4281:

Static.9841:

bhagwad.4281:

Buttercup.5871:

You only focus on what is “taken away”. Did you ever consider that PvP was dying and its environment had become downright toxic? You need new blood, and you need it yesterday. This is the best thing they could have done to ensure longevity and sustenance of a solid PvP community. We have nothing to gain from a shaky raging PvP community that tears apart every time the devs tinker with class balance. We need a solid foundation, and I truly believe they’ve done the right thing to create one. A rank finisher is worth nothing if you’re queuing 30 minutes just to use it.

That’s very short sighted. Years and years later, what’s to distinguish players from beta from those who joined half a year ago?

The only thing short-sighted is your response and view point. There’s no point being king of the mountain when in fact your mountain is a molehill and your subjects are so few. You’re being very blinkered.

You are ignoring the current state and lack of popularity of PvP right now. Your viewpoint stems from elitism, over what? a Banner? Wouldn’t it be better to have a steady influx of players and new blood to pvp to actually play with/against which will then have a healthier impact on future changes?

Did you ever think the reason why little gets done to PvP could be down to the amount of players in it compared to the other 2 game modes (Wv3 & PvE) which currently makes it a smaller priority for them to change?

I’ve worked hard for my rank as well, but I welcome these changes if it brings in new players and makes PvP more popular than it already is, rather than the vacant swamp it has become.

Where is the question of “instead”? This is a false dichotomy. Anet can easily implement a system in half a day to satisfy everyone. This is not a zero sum game (pun intended) you know…

This is also not a game that caters to your own personal wishlist.

Well done on completely evading anything I said in your totally well -thought out response.

A “personal wish list” to get rewarded for time and hard work spent in game. Hmm…you’re right. That is unusual.

R70 —> Elder Dragon