Guild Wars 2

This might sound like your typical QQ, but let’s all be quite honest: Thieves and Mesmers can survive for 20+ seconds while downed. How is this fair or balanced?

Every single time I down a thief, I think to myself sigh now I have to chase this guy around forever or leave him alone and let him get up

It’s incredibly distracting from the combat to have to chase these stupid teleport / vanish abilities around and I think it ruins the entire combat system.

Let’s take a look at ele’s for example. I can root someone who is 90% of the time already standing right next to me. I can wait 10 seconds to mist form and move around for 3 seconds. How is this even remotely similar to what a thief can do? There is a very clear imbalance here and it needs to be fixed one way or the other.

I cannot count how many times I’ve downed a thief in a team fight, and due to the sheer amount of people fighting I can’t possibly give up 20 seconds of my time to chase this guy down. Then one of my ele teammates who is a free stomp gets killed and the thief is right back up murdering me.

This needs to be fixed. ASAP.

And before the trolls start coming in and calling be bad, I’ve played a couple hundred games already and have seen the extent of these matches. This is a stand out problem every 1-2 minutes, especially when the thief is played by literally 40-50% of the players in every hot join match.

Downed state is pretty imbalanced in general.

I also think mesmer clones/phantasms should go away when they are downed.

You were right… this is your typical QQ. Mesmers and Thieves don’t take 20+seconds to down…

Mesmers: 1 stealth + port which is easily noticeable because the 2nd mesmer to pop out of stealth is the one and also has a red arrow over his head.

Thieves: Port, run over and kill him. The initial cooldown on his stealth ability is made that if you find the thief quickly then you can flag him before he can stealth.

Honestly, if you down a mesmer or thief on something like a ranger, warrior, gaurdian, or most profs you can beat them in a downed to downed fight. Warriors can reincarnate, rangers pets can heal themselves… etc. Stop QQ’ing.

Dragonskin.7854:

You were right… this is your typical QQ. Mesmers and Thieves don’t take 20+seconds to down…

Mesmers: 1 stealth + port which is easily noticeable because the 2nd mesmer to pop out of stealth is the one and also has a red arrow over his head.

Thieves: Port, run over and kill him. The initial cooldown on his stealth ability is made that if you find the thief quickly then you can flag him before he can stealth.

Honestly, if you down a mesmer or thief on something like a ranger, warrior, gaurdian, or most profs you can beat them in a downed to downed fight. Warriors can reincarnate, rangers pets can heal themselves… etc. Stop QQ’ing.

Let me guess, you play a thief.

You can’t possibly be justifying these downed abilities unless you were one yourself, I just refuse to believe it. We’re not talking about a 1v1 fight where I have all the time I need to swivel my camera and look for where he teleported to. I’m talking about 3v3, 4v4, 5v5+ fights where there’s just way too much happening to sit there and track down a teleported downed thief or mesmer.

As for your illusion excuse, once again in a 1v1 no problem, it’s easy to spot the illusion. In a 3v3+ it’s chaotic and there’s no reliable way to figure out which one popped first.

Do you even PvP? How have you not picked up on this yet?

Let me refer back to elementalist abilities. 1 root, and a 10 second cd 3 second move, where everyone can see exactly where I’m headed. Please, for the love of God, explain how these are balanced abilities?

For downed mesmers use AoE around them. Personally i equip an axe on my ranger to deal with downed mesmers as it will 2HKO it’s copies and deal damage to it in the process.

I agree on thiefs being annoying like hell…

Downed state should be nerfed to oblivion in sPVP anyway. Only one interrupt skill should be available for all classes and then the #4 heal. No damage or more teleports or clones or other kittene….

faileon.4381:

Downed state should be nerfed to oblivion in sPVP anyway. Only one interrupt skill should be available for all classes and then the #4 heal. No damage or more teleports or clones or other kittene….

Agreed. Downed state shouldn’t even be allowed in TPvP. SPvP I don’t care as much but meh.

I don’t mind downed state as a mechanic, but I do mind that some professions get way stronger abilities in downed state than others.

Ranger can interrupt 1 person, same with Warrior. Not sure about Engineers, but never seen them do anything funky in downed either, so guessing it’s the same with them. Necros have 1 single target fear as well. For all of these, you can easily finish them within 2-3 sec of them being downed as long as you just have 2 people finishing them at the same time, or one with Stability.
I don’t even mind the Guardians having an AoE knockback, because that’s all they have, and you only need 1 person to finish them after the knockback, or use stability to ignore it.
And as someone pointed out earlier, the Elementalist one is a complete joke, they don’t even have a single target interrupt, so one person without stability can easily finish them.

Thief and Mesmer on the other hand can pop invisibility and teleport while downed. Invisibility stops the stomp, being out of range stops the stomp. Even with stability you can’t finish them off, and even with 5 people it’s a hassle.

Sure, in 1v1 you can find the real mesmer fairly easily, and with thieves you have the option of just finishing them with attacks instead of stomping them, but that doesn’t change the fact that those 2 professions downed skills are way out of line compared to the other professions.

Either fix those 2 downed skill-sets so they’re on the same level as the rest, or remove downed all together in sPvP.

Survive for 20 seconds? You are a bad PvP player who doesn’t understand how the Thief and Mesmer downed skills work, if you did you would be able to kill a downed Thief and Mesmer in less than 10 seconds depending on your build.

mmm just swing your weapon at them, are they annoying? yes….should they change them…I don’t think so, you can interrupt downed abilities….
ooooooh really!!!!???

Instead of pressing F to finish them off, why don’t you take advantage of the fact that they have low armor and just hit them to death when their face down the ground? Or you can cancel F and then anticipate where their going to reveal themselves and then finish them off.

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Survive for 20 seconds? You are a bad PvP player who doesn’t understand how the Thief and Mesmer downed skills work, if you did you would be able to kill a downed Thief and Mesmer in less than 10 seconds depending on your build.

This entire post… wreaks of thief.

So, for an elementalist, a free stomp. 2 seconds.

But if I understand how thief and mesmer abilities work, I might have a chance at taking them out in 10 seconds? Is this a troll post?

Not a single person in this thread has mentioned anything to the effect of: Here’s why its balanced ______. All I see is one thief after another pop in saying how possible it is to down them.

I want to hear the rationalization for “under 10 seconds” vs. a free 2 second no stability single person stomp being equal.

aleiro.8521:

mmm just swing your weapon at them, are they annoying? yes….should they change them…I don’t think so, you can interrupt downed abilities….
ooooooh really!!!!???

So every other class can get stomped but I have to waste cooldowns and copious amounts of time attacking a downed player? What???

This is hardly an answer to the problem.

Schwahrheit.4203:

Instead of pressing F to finish them off, why don’t you take advantage of the fact that they have low armor and just hit them to death when their face down the ground? Or you can cancel F and then anticipate where their going to reveal themselves and then finish them off.

Again, how does this take any less time to down them? How does THIS make it balanced? They added a stomp mechanic so you don’t have to sit there and mindlessly auto attack downed players. Why should 2 classes have the advantage of having to be auto-attacked to death while others can be eliminated in 2-3 seconds?

xBeefy.4073:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Survive for 20 seconds? You are a bad PvP player who doesn’t understand how the Thief and Mesmer downed skills work, if you did you would be able to kill a downed Thief and Mesmer in less than 10 seconds depending on your build.

This entire post… wreaks of thief.

So, for an elementalist, a free stomp. 2 seconds.

But if I understand how thief and mesmer abilities work, I might have a chance at taking them out in 10 seconds? Is this a troll post?

Not a single person in this thread has mentioned anything to the effect of: Here’s why its balanced ______. All I see is one thief after another pop in saying how possible it is to down them.

I want to hear the rationalization for “under 10 seconds” vs. a free 2 second no stability single person stomp being equal.

First of all, when you make a post insulting and whining you should not expect people to give you advice and arguments for their posts, because you don’t do it and don’t deserve it. However, I will make an exception.

1. The fact that the Elementalist doesn’t have an interrupt is a problem of the Elementalist profession and has nothing to do with Thief and Mesmer downed state and it should be adressed by Arenanet.

2. The Thief and Mesmer are easy to down, this is how:

[Thief is downed]

- If you have a charge/teleport ability try to stomp him, he will port away. Charge/Teleport to him, stomp him. His smokebomb won’t be up.
- If you are going to be crippled and can’t move fast, spam damage moves. When he ports get to him and continue damaging him, when he smokebombs and enters stealth keep dropping AoE attacks and auto attacking, he dies.

[Mesmer is downed]
- Stomp mesmer, he/she cloaks and creates a clone. Spam auto attack asap as this happens, when they appear you can notice from the damage to health bar ratio of the target if it is a clone or not. You can also look at the flashing marks above their head to identify which one is the real mesmer. Stomp.

These methods give you a guaranteed kill on them in less than 10 sec.

If there are other players near to support their team mates, then that is another story.

You realize you can cancel F right? Simply cancel and that gives you more time to actually kill them before they can try to escape again via down skills.

Yes, ele’s downed state is awful. Yes, thieves have the best downed state. The point is, each class has different advantages in different situations, thieves have a strong downed state. Also, while it is stronger, it is by no means far overpowered, at most it takes you 3 extra seconds.

I don’t see why people complain about mesmer downed state at all, several other classes have a stronger downed state than they do.

Maethar.5627:

Yes, ele’s downed state is awful. Yes, thieves have the best downed state. The point is, each class has different advantages in different situations, thieves have a strong downed state. Also, while it is stronger, it is by no means far overpowered, at most it takes you 3 extra seconds.

I don’t see why people complain about mesmer downed state at all, several other classes have a stronger downed state than they do.

Depends on the situation, thief has the weakest down state when both players are downed. Guardian and Mesmer for example can easily kill a downed thief with their dowend state abilities.

lol no, sure it’s annoying but part of the game and a good thing!

keep it up, i still kill thiefs and mesmers :P

Killing Thiefs: — Look out … its 1-2 sec stealth, you can “presume” where they will go, since you look where they are facing,… it will be like ~5 meters in front, you can even start to finish them when they are still in stealth, if they are near you!

Mesmers: Look for the “Guild” Tag, Clone does not have one …. lolz

it certainly is true that some downed abilities are stronger than other, but that 20+ second statement is absolutely not true
especially not for mesmer, as being said, the clone pops out first and 99% of the people use the 4th skill and therefore shining blue and there u have your mesmer.
As its for thief i’ve never player one so i dont know 100% how their downed work but its normally faster to just hit them with your weapon instead of finishing him…

and before u see through me: YES i main mesmer

actually 20 secs….. not really.. mesmers have arrow over head look for it.. Let the thief bleed out…. its simple or just go to stomp thief then go to him right away and bam stomp… it’s simple… down states are not un balanced….

What has gotten on my nerves with my Warrior is that I will enter the downed state and all of my skills will have massive cooldowns. With my stupid hammer and three people on me (and probably a dozen or so bears they’re hiding behind), there is no possible way I will ever get up, even if they choose to forgo stomping me. Sometimes my 2 skill will have an obscenely high recharge, which I don’t understand (I guess it carries over from the last time you were downed?), meaning I won’t get to use it for about 10-15 seconds, or I’ll have it up but Vengeance is on a HUGE cooldown. Meaning after my one little hammer throw, affecting a single enemy, even if timed perfectly to waste as much time as possible, I’m still nowhere close to being able to use my #3.

In sPvP, this = huge waste of my time. So when I see a thief or mesmer teleporting all over the place, crapping huge clouds of clones in all directions, it especially annoys me knowing if the roles were reversed, it’d just be a free kill.

No one is pointing out the fact that the Mesmer downed 1 does the most damage out of every profession AND applies confusion? Or the fact that their phantasm can easily do upwards of 3-4k?

Seriously, the teleport is the only mesmer downed skill that isn’t overpowered.

Just attack thieves until they die.

So amazing knowing that you are preventing them from downed trolling, and how let down they must be. You know it’s just some 12 year old sitting there waiting to see the finishing animation so he can stealth away and giggle.

Apathy.6430:

Just attack thieves until they die.

So amazing knowing that you are preventing them from downed trolling, and how let down they must be. You know it’s just some 12 year old sitting there waiting to see the finishing animation so he can stealth away and giggle.

Ridiculous ad hominems, did the Thief touch you in a bad way?

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Apathy.6430:

Just attack thieves until they die.

So amazing knowing that you are preventing them from downed trolling, and how let down they must be. You know it’s just some 12 year old sitting there waiting to see the finishing animation so he can stealth away and giggle.

Ridiculous ad hominems, did the Thief touch you in a bad way?

You should look up the definition of ad hominems, because you aren’t using the term correctly at all.

Apathy.6430:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Apathy.6430:

Just attack thieves until they die.

So amazing knowing that you are preventing them from downed trolling, and how let down they must be. You know it’s just some 12 year old sitting there waiting to see the finishing animation so he can stealth away and giggle.

Ridiculous ad hominems, did the Thief touch you in a bad way?

You should look up the definition of ad hominems, because you aren’t using the term correctly at all.

How is “12 year old” not an ad hominem? It is a negative characteristic that you made up to discredit Thief players. What should I call your statement then? A lie? intellectual dishonesty? propaganda? result of anger? Which one?

Also, answer my question: Did the Thief touch you in a bad way?

An ad hominem (Latin for “to the man”), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or unrelated belief of the person supporting it. Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy, more precisely an informal fallacy and an irrelevance.

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

How is “12 year old” not an ad hominem? It is a negative characteristic that you made up to discredit Thief players.

It would imply I’m arguing with this vague “thief players”.

I’m not arguing with “Thief players”, whomever he may be.

I’m not arguing at all, actually. You are conflating “insulting” with “ad hominems”. They aren’t the same thing. Even if I were arguing, you can insult without it being an ad hominem.

Apathy.6430:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

How is “12 year old” not an ad hominem? It is a negative characteristic that you made up to discredit Thief players.

It would imply I’m arguing with this vague “thief players”.

I’m not arguing with “Thief players”, whomever he may be.

I’m not arguing at all, actually. You are conflating “insulting” with “ad hominems”. They aren’t the same thing. Even if I were arguing, you can insult without it being an ad hominem.

You are taking part in an open discussion so you are lying about not participating in a discussion. Your insult was an ad hominem, it is irrelevant and totally made up. Why do you want to discredit Thief players and paint them as people they are not?

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Apathy.6430:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

How is “12 year old” not an ad hominem? It is a negative characteristic that you made up to discredit Thief players.

It would imply I’m arguing with this vague “thief players”.

I’m not arguing with “Thief players”, whomever he may be.

I’m not arguing at all, actually. You are conflating “insulting” with “ad hominems”. They aren’t the same thing. Even if I were arguing, you can insult without it being an ad hominem.

You are taking part in an open discussion so you are lying about not participating in a discussion. Your insult was an ad hominem, it is irrelevant and totally made up. Why do you want to discredit Thief players and paint them as people they are not?

Here, I’ll give you a couple examples, it might help clarify the error of your ways.

Example A:
Person A: “Things fall to the ground because of magic”
Person B: “No, things fall to the ground because of gravity, idiot”

Example B:
Person A: “Things fall to the ground because of gravity”
Person B: “Person A failed mathematics you can’t believe what he says”

Example B is an ad hominem, Example A is not. Ad hominem is using insults to disprove the other persons argument without addressing the argument. I was never addressing any argument at any point, so it could not possibly be an ad hominem.

Don’t be all butthurt that you’re a 12 year old thief player.

I don’t even bother downing thiefs or mesmers anymore. They just take to long. I kill them and move on. If they get up they get up. Unless of course we are the only two people sitting on a point.

VincentCross.6954:

I don’t even bother downing thiefs or mesmers anymore. They just take to long. I kill them and move on. If they get up they get up. Unless of course we are the only two people sitting on a point.

They don’t really take that long when you just hit them instead of letting them troll you with their little teleports. Unless they end up behind a wall or on top of something, then I just leave them to their silly ways instead of hunting them down.

Apathy.6430:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Apathy.6430:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

How is “12 year old” not an ad hominem? It is a negative characteristic that you made up to discredit Thief players.

It would imply I’m arguing with this vague “thief players”.

I’m not arguing with “Thief players”, whomever he may be.

I’m not arguing at all, actually. You are conflating “insulting” with “ad hominems”. They aren’t the same thing. Even if I were arguing, you can insult without it being an ad hominem.

You are taking part in an open discussion so you are lying about not participating in a discussion. Your insult was an ad hominem, it is irrelevant and totally made up. Why do you want to discredit Thief players and paint them as people they are not?

Here, I’ll give you a couple examples, it might help clarify the error of your ways.

Example A:
Person A: “Things fall to the ground because of magic”
Person B: “No, things fall to the ground because of gravity, idiot”

Example B:
Person A: “Things fall to the ground because of gravity”
Person B: “Person A failed mathematics you can’t believe what he says”

Example B is an ad hominem, Example A is not.

Don’t be all butthurt that you’re a 12 year old thief player.

You said: “You know it’s just some 12 year old sitting there waiting to see the finishing animation so he can stealth away and giggle.”

What does his age have to do anything with his choice of playing a Thief? You are implying that Thief players are children and should not be taken serious.

I object to your disgusting generalization and pathetic attempt to discredit Thief players and what is your defense? lies and more false accusations. You have no prove that I am a 12 years old Thief player, if you do present them and prove me wrong.

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Apathy.6430:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Apathy.6430:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

How is “12 year old” not an ad hominem? It is a negative characteristic that you made up to discredit Thief players.

It would imply I’m arguing with this vague “thief players”.

I’m not arguing with “Thief players”, whomever he may be.

I’m not arguing at all, actually. You are conflating “insulting” with “ad hominems”. They aren’t the same thing. Even if I were arguing, you can insult without it being an ad hominem.

You are taking part in an open discussion so you are lying about not participating in a discussion. Your insult was an ad hominem, it is irrelevant and totally made up. Why do you want to discredit Thief players and paint them as people they are not?

Here, I’ll give you a couple examples, it might help clarify the error of your ways.

Example A:
Person A: “Things fall to the ground because of magic”
Person B: “No, things fall to the ground because of gravity, idiot”

Example B:
Person A: “Things fall to the ground because of gravity”
Person B: “Person A failed mathematics you can’t believe what he says”

Example B is an ad hominem, Example A is not.

Don’t be all butthurt that you’re a 12 year old thief player.

You said: “You know it’s just some 12 year old sitting there waiting to see the finishing animation so he can stealth away and giggle.”

What does his age have to do anything with his choice of playing a Thief? You are implying that Thief players are children and should not be taken serious.

I object to your disgusting generalization and pathetic attempt to discredit Thief players and what is your defense? lies and more false accusations. You have no prove that I am a 12 years old Thief player, if you do present them and prove me wrong.

I’m pretty much 100% certain that you are so mad that you aren’t even bothering to read what I post.

Apathy.6430:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Apathy.6430:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Apathy.6430:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

How is “12 year old” not an ad hominem? It is a negative characteristic that you made up to discredit Thief players.

It would imply I’m arguing with this vague “thief players”.

I’m not arguing with “Thief players”, whomever he may be.

I’m not arguing at all, actually. You are conflating “insulting” with “ad hominems”. They aren’t the same thing. Even if I were arguing, you can insult without it being an ad hominem.

You are taking part in an open discussion so you are lying about not participating in a discussion. Your insult was an ad hominem, it is irrelevant and totally made up. Why do you want to discredit Thief players and paint them as people they are not?

Here, I’ll give you a couple examples, it might help clarify the error of your ways.

Example A:
Person A: “Things fall to the ground because of magic”
Person B: “No, things fall to the ground because of gravity, idiot”

Example B:
Person A: “Things fall to the ground because of gravity”
Person B: “Person A failed mathematics you can’t believe what he says”

Example B is an ad hominem, Example A is not.

Don’t be all butthurt that you’re a 12 year old thief player.

You said: “You know it’s just some 12 year old sitting there waiting to see the finishing animation so he can stealth away and giggle.”

What does his age have to do anything with his choice of playing a Thief? You are implying that Thief players are children and should not be taken serious.

I object to your disgusting generalization and pathetic attempt to discredit Thief players and what is your defense? lies and more false accusations. You have no prove that I am a 12 years old Thief player, if you do present them and prove me wrong.

I’m pretty much 100% certain that you are so mad that you aren’t even bothering to read what I post.

You have no evidence of me being mad or of me not reading your posts. Both of your accusations are false and I am done with wasting my time with you. You do not deserve to participate in a conversation with an intellectual like me, your arguments are void, you dodge my questions and lie.

I used to hate downed state but now I realize it’s integral to the way pvp works and adds an amazing extended element of team play and skill.

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Apathy.6430:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Apathy.6430:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

Apathy.6430:

Blazer Hellsing.9184:

How is “12 year old” not an ad hominem? It is a negative characteristic that you made up to discredit Thief players.

It would imply I’m arguing with this vague “thief players”.

I’m not arguing with “Thief players”, whomever he may be.

I’m not arguing at all, actually. You are conflating “insulting” with “ad hominems”. They aren’t the same thing. Even if I were arguing, you can insult without it being an ad hominem.

You are taking part in an open discussion so you are lying about not participating in a discussion. Your insult was an ad hominem, it is irrelevant and totally made up. Why do you want to discredit Thief players and paint them as people they are not?

Here, I’ll give you a couple examples, it might help clarify the error of your ways.

Example A:
Person A: “Things fall to the ground because of magic”
Person B: “No, things fall to the ground because of gravity, idiot”

Example B:
Person A: “Things fall to the ground because of gravity”
Person B: “Person A failed mathematics you can’t believe what he says”

Example B is an ad hominem, Example A is not.

Don’t be all butthurt that you’re a 12 year old thief player.

You said: “You know it’s just some 12 year old sitting there waiting to see the finishing animation so he can stealth away and giggle.”

What does his age have to do anything with his choice of playing a Thief? You are implying that Thief players are children and should not be taken serious.

I object to your disgusting generalization and pathetic attempt to discredit Thief players and what is your defense? lies and more false accusations. You have no prove that I am a 12 years old Thief player, if you do present them and prove me wrong.

I’m pretty much 100% certain that you are so mad that you aren’t even bothering to read what I post.

You have no evidence of me being mad or of me not reading your posts. Both of your accusations are false and I am done with wasting my time with you. You do not deserve to participate in a conversation with an intellectual like me, your arguments are void, you dodge my questions and lie.

The conversation was over a few posts ago.

This is just you blatantly ignoring that you are using the term ad hominem improperly.

And you are just being naive if you don’t think easy to play super ninja assassins isn’t going to be the most appealing class for 12 year olds.

Misha.4593:

I used to hate downed state but now I realize it’s integral to the way pvp works and adds an amazing extended element of team play and skill.

Meh, it doesn’t really feel like an “integral part” for anything besides mesmers and thieves.

Everything else just dies almost immediately after a 1-2 second pause depending on the skill they get.

Apathy.6430:

Misha.4593:

I used to hate downed state but now I realize it’s integral to the way pvp works and adds an amazing extended element of team play and skill.

Meh, it doesn’t really feel like an “integral part” for anything besides mesmers and thieves.

Everything else just dies almost immediately after a 1-2 second pause depending on the skill they get.

Even when playing Elementalist which arguably has the worst downed skills I feel that it’s really important. If your guardians are doing their job you have a very good chance of your team interrupting who ever is trying to finish you and then resing you. If they removed the downed state then guardians would become significantly less useful. It really works as another skill element to the game. E.g. If I am on my mesmer I can use distortion just before stomping someone so I don’t get stunned or knocked back (warrior/guardian) and I can finish the stomp. I can use the same thing when resing team mates. I’ve played both the best and worst for downed state and I feel it’s still great on both ends.

You can even delay enemy re spawns by letting a whole team just bleed out (Gaining significant advantage)

YES! THIS RIGHT HERE.

Misha.4593:

You can even delay enemy re spawns by letting a whole team just bleed out (Gaining significant advantage)

I enjoy letting my pet just wail on them while I cap the point and they just lay there and watch, prolonging their respawn and humiliation of losing a 1v1.

But yeah, I don’t do enough tournament play to actually see teamwork with the downed state. Random join games are just a zerg and a team suiciding into the zerg.

Apathy.6430:

Misha.4593:

You can even delay enemy re spawns by letting a whole team just bleed out (Gaining significant advantage)

I enjoy letting my pet just wail on them while I cap the point and they just lay there and watch, prolonging their respawn and humiliation of losing a 1v1.

But yeah, I don’t do enough tournament play to actually see teamwork with the downed state. Random join games are just a zerg and a team suiciding into the zerg.

Random games are not representative. I feel the game would be 1/4 as good without the downed state, although I admit it needs some balancing between professions in terms of abilities given.

Nice to see yet another thread derail because of 2 massive egos stroking their inflated e-kittens.
Stay classy, gentlemen.

SgtSarcasm.1653:

Nice to see yet another thread derail because of 2 massive egos stroking their inflated e-kittens.
Stay classy, gentlemen.

Make that 3.

They also have a far better chance of being picked up by allies, because they can move to a safer location.

Engineer got same problem in the water. Sink sink sink…

Shintai.5618:

Engineer got same problem in the water. Sink sink sink…

You downed an engineer in the water? was he not throwing nades at you?

xBeefy.4073:

I cannot count how many times I’ve downed a thief in a team fight, and due to the sheer amount of people fighting I can’t possibly give up 20 seconds of my time to chase this guy down. Then one of my ele teammates who is a free stomp gets killed and the thief is right back up murdering me.

Why weren’t you helping your Elementalist instead of running around in confusion? If, for some reason, you couldn’t find the Thief, the next best option is to assist your teammates.

When downing a Thief, here’s two things you can remember – the first time they disappear in the middle of your execute, it’s a teleport. (Developing a better sense of court vision will help you better detect where they’re run off to.) The second time they disappear, it’s stealth. Attack the spot you last saw them in and you’ll be able to interrupt any bandage attempts.

SgtSarcasm.1653:

Nice to see yet another thread derail because of 2 massive egos stroking their inflated e-kittens.
Stay classy, gentlemen.

Thank you for your contribution.

the entire downed mechanic should really be removed, and as a mesmer who has also tried elementalist it’s plain as day that mesmer downed state is absolutely overpowered compared to other’s. even our dmge during downstate is >>> elementalist’s where illusionary thief often crits for 4k+. If arenanet doesnt just remove downstate like they obviously should, at least in pvp, then mesmer/thief downed state should be nerfed/brought in line with others for sure.

agree with the OP.
every class is,down,go to melle,f,cancel,f again and dude dead but with elementalist is only go to melle,f and ele down.
but thiefs or mesmer?
go to melle,f,they go hide or teleport,go to melle again after to search around,f again,they go hide,ok wait and f again,and now or teh tief is up again or i am dead.

i really i dont mind what thiefs or mersers thinks,this is umbalanced and the teleport skill must be swap with one interrupt as every class have and elementalist must get one also