Guild Wars 2

Its impossible to play spvp anymore. Just put one DH on each point and you win. Its so stupid. People say, “dont feed em, just go somewhere else”, but you can’t! They’re everywhere! Its just absolutely pointless to try. I’ve been with this game since day 1, but I think its time to put it on the shelf until they fix it.

Double the cool down on traps. As it is, a Dragon Hunter can get all of his traps onto the ground, then after you pop em all, he puts em all down again. Instantly. They need to stay on the ground for 10seconds. And then go on a kitten cool down. They can hit you with 4 traps in the time it takes to cast 2 of em. Which is 1 second.

Whatever, flame on

Kitten cool down? it said 45 seconds

Just gonna get it out of the way before some “pro” comes in and says it.

“DH are fine – L2P” – Quoted, some ESL playa 2015, never PUGS.

Played since day 1 huh? Maybe it’s about time you learn to actually play?

CratZII.5872:

Played since day 1 huh? Maybe it’s about time you learn to actually play?

Message me in game I’ll test your blade

Why are you still crying over DH’s? You do realize tempest d/f aurashare eles and bunker chronomancers destroy DH’s besides others out performing them but whatever, keep crying over DH.

Musica Arcaida.4685:

Why are you still crying over DH’s? You do realize tempest d/f aurashare eles and bunker chronomancers destroy DH’s besides others out performing them but whatever, keep crying over DH.

Not disagreeing with anything but why are you talking about DF Tempests? My DD Tempest is the real threat to Tyria.

There’s bigger fish to fry then the old DH nerf-song now. Bunker Druid, Scrapper eles… just dodge-roll = DH countered.

DH is fine right now.

Bunker mes is what needs to be fixed. Make it so their invuln well prevents point capture at a minimum.

High tier meta almost entirely revolves around mesmer and revenant at this point, and yet here we are, still getting DH qq posts lol

Cant wait for that whine when it get nerfed:-P

In any teamfight DH is the first target and the easiest to take down, running a DH feels almost like having a teef or warrior these days.

Actually Bunker Mesmer/Revenants are ruining PvP Dh are countered easy.

It is not even that strong when you play against players who don’t voluntarily walk into your traps.

It is not even that strong when you play against players who don’t voluntarily walk into your traps.

It is not even that strong when you play against players who don’t voluntarily walk into your traps.

Mesmer and Revenants are ruining pvp dh it s fine.

I play bunker builds because of DH… I’d rather not but Traps and Bunkers are the future of PvP.

You misspelled Bunker Mesmer.

on the higher levels, DH’s aren’t even played anymore, for very good reasons…. they get hardcountered by all the top-builds…

Musica Arcaida.4685:

Why are you still crying over DH’s? You do realize tempest d/f aurashare eles and bunker chronomancers destroy DH’s besides others out performing them but whatever, keep crying over DH.

Lol maybe esl teams with all coordinated attacks may destroy DH; on the lower end, it’s DH everywhere, double/triple so give me a break.

Emerald-sapphire..all you see is DH-mallyx-chrono bunkers

I dunno, I can comfortably splatter Dragonhunters on my MM Soldier Necro. If you can survive the initial burst of the traps they kinda just run of steam.

infantrydiv.1620:

High tier meta almost entirely revolves around mesmer and revenant at this point, and yet here we are, still getting DH qq posts lol

PUG meta is different from high tier organised meta where you don;t necessarily get an ele or mez to deal with them. I’m finding that DHs are the used used class ATM and a lot of them are running cheez trapper runes builds. Its not even necessarily that they’re OP its that they’re exceptionally annoying to fight.

Lol I’m solo q or duo q and I have no problems at all fighting DH. Of course I play REV so make your own conclusions .

sephiroth.4217:

I play bunker builds because of DH… I’d rather not but Traps and Bunkers are the future of PvP.

You can easily play rev and destroy DH’s if you don’t wanna play bunker. Both zerker and viper rev destroy DH’s.

My problem with the actual meta is that it gets too hard to play with less experienced players… Some matchs are like 1 mistake = lose a won match( typically earlier, someone left mid to die on far point, and it did cost us the game since we never managed to get back after).

This could happen on a team vs team perspective, but shouldn’t on a solo vs solo..Meta builds should involve a bit more risk, especially regarding the bunker mesmer

Rev and Bunker Mes needs hardcore nerfs, DH needs small adjustements.

PowerBottom.5796:

sephiroth.4217:

I play bunker builds because of DH… I’d rather not but Traps and Bunkers are the future of PvP.

You can easily play rev and destroy DH’s if you don’t wanna play bunker. Both zerker and viper rev destroy DH’s.

I’m not the best with Rev just yet, atleast not confident enough to take into ranked.

Not my experience, i find DH paper thin as extremely easy to bring down.
Step1: turn on your invulnerability.
Step2: walk right into the traps and trigger them all.
Step3: bring the 10k hp sucker down in a heartbeat.

Apolo.5942:

Not my experience, i find DH paper thin as extremely easy to bring down.
Step1: turn on your invulnerability.
Step2: walk right into the traps and trigger them all.
Step3: bring the 10k hp sucker down in a heartbeat.

18k… we normally wear marauder amulet

Drekor.5217:

Apolo.5942:

Not my experience, i find DH paper thin as extremely easy to bring down.
Step1: turn on your invulnerability.
Step2: walk right into the traps and trigger them all.
Step3: bring the 10k hp sucker down in a heartbeat.

18k… we normally wear marauder amulet

Then their damage aint all that impressive, and they lack sustain.

Eldervakten.9147:

Its impossible to play spvp anymore. Just put one DH on each point and you win.

Title is a typo guys. OP is obviously talking about Bunker Mesmers because we all know DH gets countered by at least 3 classes in this game lol

The only reason why bunker classes exist is because there are classes like DH that can take you down in 1 sec, and viceversa. They are in symbiosis. You can’t get rid of one without the other one.

Jooks.3741:

DH is fine right now.

Bunker mes is what needs to be fixed. Make it so their invuln well prevents point capture at a minimum.

So long as all evades are like this I see no problem. Got to be consistent.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Evade

You can keep dodges.

morrolan.9608:

infantrydiv.1620:

High tier meta almost entirely revolves around mesmer and revenant at this point, and yet here we are, still getting DH qq posts lol

PUG meta is different from high tier organised meta where you don;t necessarily get an ele or mez to deal with them. I’m finding that DHs are the used used class ATM and a lot of them are running cheez trapper runes builds. Its not even necessarily that they’re OP its that they’re exceptionally annoying to fight.

No, the “PUG meta” is only different if your MMR is really low and you get one shot because you don’t know any better, and that’s where Dragonhunters are played. They aren’t OP, they aren’t annoying to fight, and this thread is ridiculous for even existing.

Probably a hysterical bunker chronomancer trying to take the heat off. Revs is the next best choice for that.

DH isn’t really that OP. I think just making it so traps don’t go on CD till they are sprung and that you can’t leave traps outside of a given radius would be fine enough fix for them.

its all about fact that Dh requires 0 skill and 0 knowledge of game to play, and it punishes enemy for not playin perfectly, and for not making perfect evades. Any class that can basically instantly force 2x Dodge on enemy team at the start of the fight should be considered op as kitten. 1 player can force 10 dodges in 5v5. Not to mention fact that once you get dragonmawed its GG to you.

People have cried foul on the forums about literally everything. And guess what? Literally EVERYTHING has been balanced since this game was launched. The games constantly been re-balanced for a reason! Any person here acting like Dragonhunter isn’t going to get a good balancing after its traps were improved three different ways from the beta is outa their minds. Their powerful enough to fight darn near anything and their basically a hardcounter when it comes to a class with projectiles(RIP LB rangers). Yes it can be dodged. But so can Judges Intervention and Whirling Wrath. And you know what? Ive played long enough that Ive probably hit half the people in this thread with that.

So hush up :P

Also elitist min maxers might not realize this, but ease of use is a power in itself. Its half the reason Guardians such a popular class. You can screw up horribly and still have a heavy impact for your team. This is extremely powerful when it comes to dragonhunter that can drop lethal traps that will hang around after they’re dead, and you cant see them. Ya go ahead and dodge those traps that you don’t know are there when your in a fight with somebody else.

10k dmg on True shot, Godmode on F3, leap condi cleanse and heal on f2, UNLBOCKABLE spear that pierces and pulls enemies on f1, trait that knock any enemy in close range daze on traps tons of unneded dmg on traps wayy too many passive traits, way too good dmg negation… OFC when you see proleague with 3x bunker 2x rev Dh isnt insane good, but remember! EVEN PRO TEAMS consider Mes Mes REV REV Tempest team comp toxic…Why do you think there is so low amount of Warrs and Thieves? Every class and especially DH deals more dmg and survives more dmg, and helps team more.

Try chasing every kitten class around with a greatsword and perform well at it. Gaurds are pulling out the deck chairs for well deserved break.

I always like how people list all the things a class can do. You can literally do that with any class, and make it sound OP on paper. Unfortunately though, we have plenty of evidence thanks to ESL that DH just isn’t good enough for that meta, so these threads are for naught.

I recall my Engi turrets being called a passive skill that had no place in PvP. Grabbing my popcorn while the community turns on guardians

Place trap, walk away. Sounds as active a skill as a turret

The bunker meta is made as DH have OP burst and now we getting the condi meta to counter the bunkers that are countering the DH

The bunker meta was never gone. Cele remains king.

Tbh.
Rev, and even my own Mesmer, are probably larger concerns.

When the big patch hits, I’m currently looking for a lot of bunker nerfs, and some tweaking to classes like DH.

Because if there wasn’t a bunker meta, DH would actually be really good.

But with the bunker meta? Nah.
I can just stab + boon share & precog my team through it, if need be.

Not to mention after shock and damage mitigation on Tempest.

Problem with DH is, that it’s a strong build, BUT at the top-level, where everyone plays meta (bunker-mesmer, bunker-tempest, marauder-engi and condi rev) he gets absolutely hard-countered by almost all of them.

So what’s gonna happen? they will nerf those builds most likely and then, DH is suddenly the most OP build again. :P

But in the current Meta, no1 needs to complain abaout DH’s; they are absolute bottom-tier and basically useless if ppl play the meta-comps.

Domino.1359:

just dodge-roll = DH countered.

Oh! Aren’t you so cute?!!

I really do not see why they should have to cater to people who probably still click their skills with the mouse.

DH is easily countered if you have at least 4 brain cells. (2 to dodge, 2 to use your attack skills).

You see him plop down the traps. There is an actual animation they do. Dodge away from that place, and that’s it. More then half his damage is gone.

Don’t go “oh they have more traps then I have dodges”. You have other defensive skills. Use them. If you don’t know how, that is a l2p issue, not a DH problem.

There is a reason high rated matches don’t have DH in every game. People who actually know how to play the game counter it easily.

You don’t balance a game around someone who just started playing, you balance it around those who know how to play.

Arrk.4102:

I really do not see why they should have to cater to people who probably still click their skills with the mouse.

DH is easily countered if you have at least 4 brain cells. (2 to dodge, 2 to use your attack skills).

You see him plop down the traps. There is an actual animation they do. Dodge away from that place, and that’s it. More then half his damage is gone.

Don’t go “oh they have more traps then I have dodges”. You have other defensive skills. Use them. If you don’t know how, that is a l2p issue, not a DH problem.

There is a reason high rated matches don’t have DH in every game. People who actually know how to play the game counter it easily.

You don’t balance a game around someone who just started playing, you balance it around those who know how to play.

A trapper ranger has no active defences, no stunbreaks, no condition cleanse utilities, no stability and does less damage than a DH. A DH can do more damage (easily 100-0 many builds) and has active defences, immunity, condition cleanses, pulls, stunbreaks, aoe dazes and more.

This huge gulf between almost mirror builds is almost insulting. Why are the new specs and classes so OP? DH isn’t even close to the strongest of the new specs and yet it just totally kittens all over pre-hot trap/bow builds.