Guild Wars 2

“If they strike you or your allies, it will heal you”
“When they see this, they will know it’ll heal them.
“This trait will, you guessed it, will increase healing.”

Druid is nothing but a giant healing well where allies can get healing from. This Well has little to no defensive attributes in terms of mitigating CC or burst damages. He’s basically a Healer with “oh crap” utilities. He’ll still be dependent on classes that can offer him stun breakers, stability, instant condi cleanses (guardian) or some CC effects like Knockdown, Knockback, Fear, immobolizes, blinds, (War, Necro, Engi). Not to mention safe stomps and safe rezing, which almost every class has except the Druid.

Druids are going to do very well in keeping glass cannons alive, assuming the Druid himself can stay alive amongst class cannons. The Druid will complement Zerker Guardians who take Absolute Resolution and Indomitable Courage. They’ll most definitely complement Zerker Warriors, Engineers and Power Necros. Honestly, the Zerker Meta (lack thereof) needs the Druid.

The current self-sustaining classes (the meta), wont utilize a healer class with little to 0 Stability or self mitigative attributes.
The team wont tell him to rotate to Far node to 1v1 a class, or to even keep the node contested long enough for the team to get there. In other words, I don’t see the Druid replacing an Engi or Necro Meta in order to take a role of a Bunker class, of which, a Guardian can do better in. Team regen isn’t that much of a necessity.

“Druid is a better Guardian than the Guardian is”
Guardian’s Guard people through Blocks, Blinds, Cleanses, Prot, Stability and Stunbreaks. We make sure the door doesn’t slam in your face. If it does, it won’t do enough damage for you to care.

Druid will make sure you’re healed back up once that door slams in your face. But if the door slams and you’re low health, better hope I have a CD up to instant heal you back up. Otherwise, good luck.

Assuming we’re comparing bunker to bunker… The druid won’t be able to hold 2 burst classes at once like the Guardian can. I can guarantee you that much. Why you ask? Lets say the Druid is Settlers. This will put him around 15k health with moderate amounts of heals. Unlike the Guardian, the Druid lacks numerous mitigative abilities like Blinds, Blocks, Invulnerability etc. The Druid will get CC’d and bursted down so fast, it’ll be laughable. If you have a team that complements the Druid, the Druid could help a team live longer (i’m not saying the Druid is bad, he definitely have his perks if he’s utilized correctly).

TL;DR
The Druid can and will no doubt live for days with a Settlers rune vs any one Zerker class. The moment he gets engaged by any type of CC + 15k burst damages, he’s dead. Period. It doesn’t matter if the Druid gets 2k heals per second.

tl; dr
guardian = gw1 protection monk
druid = gw1 healing monk

p/s btw i did read

You do realize druids can still access their ranger weapons and utilities right?

Dudes think that if you chose druid, you lose all other things ranger has to offer…

Last I checked, traits and skills currently available to ranger, can offer insane survivability.

Oh, and also, you might be forgetting 2 other things as well. The first of it being the pets which can offer all kinds of support. The second is that PvP is only 1 out of the 3 game modes the game has to offer.

Last I checked, Rangers didn’t have much to offer….

Can you tell me how the Ranger can drop a tree to further utilize what it’s gaining from Druid.. instead of, “Ranger has other trees”.. that really doesn’t tell me anything
(non-Ranger main here, be specific)

I imagine a Ranger will go Beast Mastery / Wilderness Survival / Druid

Anything specific that will remove what I just said about Druid?

why should druid have to go beast mastery?

Saiyan.1704:

Unlike the Guardian, the Druid lacks numerous mitigative abilities like Blinds, Blocks, Invulnerability etc. The Druid will get CC’d and bursted down so fast, it’ll be laughable.

Signet of stone
Protect me
Shared Anguish
SotW (stability)
RaO (stab)
GS#4 (one of the best blocks in game)
Various damage mitigations from WS traitline
Protection after dodge rolls
Various (all sorts of) utilities from pets, like Blinds, Weaknesses, Dazes, Fears, Stuns, Taunts….

Want me to continue? …

Amityel.5324:

why should druid have to go beast mastery?

Because he knows so much about the class.

In pvp a full druid healer wont be a thing.. My guess is that it will be in pve or WvW

In pvp a hybrid healer, cc, daze, cond removal to allies dmg druid will definitely gonna be a thing.. See the notes again and check how many things druid has and no other class can offer.

The thing about stability is what bothers me the most.. Its true that offers no stability at all but offers an aoe stun break… Check the notes again

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Saiyan.1704:

Unlike the Guardian, the Druid lacks numerous mitigative abilities like Blinds, Blocks, Invulnerability etc. The Druid will get CC’d and bursted down so fast, it’ll be laughable.

Signet of stone
Protect me
Shared Anguish
SotW (stability)
RaO (stab)
GS#4 (one of the best blocks in game)
Various damage mitigations from WS traitline
Protection after dodge rolls
Various (all sorts of) utilities from pets, like Blinds, Weaknesses, Dazes, Fears, Stuns, Taunts….

Want me to continue? …

Yes continue, but I’m looking for more of a “how to” rather than a list of traits and skill that the Ranger already has. I don’t main Ranger remember? A skill list isn’t telling me anything.

All the items you listed are from what the Ranger already has. It’s not like the Ranger is going to automatically give 5k heals per sec to his allies, due to his Elite specialization. It’s hard to believe that the Ranger has everything to gained and nothing to lose.

Dardamaniac.1295:

The thing about stability is what bothers me the most.. Its true that offers no stability at all but offers an aoe stun break… Check the notes again

Rangers have good access to stability as it is already.

Strenght of the pack can go down to 42 s cd.

SotW also offers stability and its cooldown can be reduced also (from 60s) down to 40? Can’t remember exactly atm.

Here comes the facts

Seed of Life: Summon a seed that heals and cleanses nearby allies of conditions when it blossoms.

Lunar Impact: Call down a massive lunar beam to heal allies and daze foes.

Rejuvenating Tides: Gather tidal force to rapidly heal nearby allies(water field)

Natural Convergence: Channel your celestial powers, pulsing cripple and slow. Once the channel ends, any foes still within its radius will be trapped by a black hole, immobilizing them

Glyph of Equality: Daze nearby foes.

In Celestial Avatar: Break stun for nearby allies(what? a aoe stun break?we certainly dont want this for a team..)

Glyph of the Tides: Push nearby enemies away from you.

In Celestial Avatar: Pulls enemies toward you.

Celestial Shadow: Grant superspeed and stealth to nearby allies when leaving celestial avatar form.

Grace of the Land: While you are a celestial avatar, your allies gain reduced incoming condition damage. (33% decrease)

And i posted only the things that are unique for druid and very handy for a team.. Add the 5k heal spikes

Saiyan.1704:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Saiyan.1704:

Unlike the Guardian, the Druid lacks numerous mitigative abilities like Blinds, Blocks, Invulnerability etc. The Druid will get CC’d and bursted down so fast, it’ll be laughable.

Signet of stone
Protect me
Shared Anguish
SotW (stability)
RaO (stab)
GS#4 (one of the best blocks in game)
Various damage mitigations from WS traitline
Protection after dodge rolls
Various (all sorts of) utilities from pets, like Blinds, Weaknesses, Dazes, Fears, Stuns, Taunts….

Want me to continue? …

Yes continue, but I’m looking for more of a “how to” rather than a list of traits and skill that the Ranger already has. I don’t main Ranger remember? A skill list isn’t telling me anything.

All the items you listed are from what the Ranger already has. It’s not like the Ranger is going to automatically give 5k heals per sec to his allies, due to his Elite specialization. It’s hard to believe that the Ranger has everything to gained and nothing to lose.

You said that ranger has no way to mitigate damage, and deal with CC. I just listed you various skills and traits that prove that to be laughably wrong, and that’s the skills that quickly came to mind.

You obviously have no knowledge on ranger, yet you did create a thread saying jibber jabber about what the class can do.

Some may think that you are just annoyed that guardian might lose his spot to a druid (thing that wont happen cause they are different classes with different roles anyways)…

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Dardamaniac.1295:

The thing about stability is what bothers me the most.. Its true that offers no stability at all but offers an aoe stun break… Check the notes again

Rangers have good access to stability as it is already.

Strenght of the pack can go down to 42 s cd.

SotW also offers stability and its cooldown can be reduced also (from 60s) down to 40? Can’t remember exactly atm.

48 but it has an annoying casting time and not a long duration.. I dont take it cause stability is needed in times when you are in trouble. You are in panic, you cant wait to cast it.. You need it NOW

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Saiyan.1704:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Saiyan.1704:

Unlike the Guardian, the Druid lacks numerous mitigative abilities like Blinds, Blocks, Invulnerability etc. The Druid will get CC’d and bursted down so fast, it’ll be laughable.

Signet of stone
Protect me
Shared Anguish
SotW (stability)
RaO (stab)
GS#4 (one of the best blocks in game)
Various damage mitigations from WS traitline
Protection after dodge rolls
Various (all sorts of) utilities from pets, like Blinds, Weaknesses, Dazes, Fears, Stuns, Taunts….

Want me to continue? …

Yes continue, but I’m looking for more of a “how to” rather than a list of traits and skill that the Ranger already has. I don’t main Ranger remember? A skill list isn’t telling me anything.

All the items you listed are from what the Ranger already has. It’s not like the Ranger is going to automatically give 5k heals per sec to his allies, due to his Elite specialization. It’s hard to believe that the Ranger has everything to gained and nothing to lose.

You said that ranger has no way to mitigate damage, and deal with CC. I just listed you various skills and traits that prove that to be laughably wrong, and that’s the skills that quickly came to mind.

You obviously have no knowledge on ranger, yet you did create a thread saying jibber jabber about what the class can do.

The class utilizes self sustains via large amounts of CC and Survival skills (what you listed) that’s already part of the Ranger’s Meta – Not Druid.

What I want to know is, what are you going to trade in to gain the Druid skill set? I’ve seen the Ranger meta, a meta full of CC, Power and self sustains.

What is the Druid going to bring?
What tree are you going to sacrifice to gain these items?
What role does it have?
Is the Meta Ranger going to be the same with the exception of “moar team heelz”?

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Some may think that you are just annoyed that guardian might lose his spot to a druid.

Then those people don’t know me at all

Druid is not going to replace Guardian for what that bunker Guard build already does.
I would be happily surprised if the Ranger turns out to be a dps warrior but, he’s not going to outclass the Guardian. He’s not going to outclass Shout Warrior. He’s not going to outclass Revenant. Druid is going to offer heals, heals, and.. .. selfish utilities.

Saiyan.1704:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Saiyan.1704:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Saiyan.1704:

Unlike the Guardian, the Druid lacks numerous mitigative abilities like Blinds, Blocks, Invulnerability etc. The Druid will get CC’d and bursted down so fast, it’ll be laughable.

Signet of stone
Protect me
Shared Anguish
SotW (stability)
RaO (stab)
GS#4 (one of the best blocks in game)
Various damage mitigations from WS traitline
Protection after dodge rolls
Various (all sorts of) utilities from pets, like Blinds, Weaknesses, Dazes, Fears, Stuns, Taunts….

Want me to continue? …

Yes continue, but I’m looking for more of a “how to” rather than a list of traits and skill that the Ranger already has. I don’t main Ranger remember? A skill list isn’t telling me anything.

All the items you listed are from what the Ranger already has. It’s not like the Ranger is going to automatically give 5k heals per sec to his allies, due to his Elite specialization. It’s hard to believe that the Ranger has everything to gained and nothing to lose.

You said that ranger has no way to mitigate damage, and deal with CC. I just listed you various skills and traits that prove that to be laughably wrong, and that’s the skills that quickly came to mind.

You obviously have no knowledge on ranger, yet you did create a thread saying jibber jabber about what the class can do.

The class utilizes self sustains via large amounts of CC and Survival skills (what you listed) that’s already part of the Ranger’s Meta – Not Druid.

What I want to know is, what are you going to trade in to gain the Druid skill set? I’ve seen the Ranger meta, a meta full of CC, Power and self sustains.

What is the Druid going to bring?
What tree are you going to sacrifice to gain these items?
What role does it have?
Is the Meta Ranger going to be the same with the exception of “moar team heelz”?

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Some may think that you are just annoyed that guardian might lose his spot to a druid.

Then those people don’t know me at all

Druid is not going to replace Guardian for what that bunker Guard build already does.
I would be happily surprised if the Ranger turns out to be a dps warrior but, he’s not going to outclass the Guardian. He’s not going to outclass Shout Warrior. He’s not going to outclass Revenant. Druid is going to offer heals, heals, and.. .. selfish utilities.

You are already throwing a class in the trash by jibber jabbering about what other classes can do, completelly ignoring the fact that we have not played the class and do not yet know how elite specs will change the game.

I’m done replying to you. Keep on hating.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Saiyan.1704:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Saiyan.1704:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Saiyan.1704:

Unlike the Guardian, the Druid lacks numerous mitigative abilities like Blinds, Blocks, Invulnerability etc. The Druid will get CC’d and bursted down so fast, it’ll be laughable.

Signet of stone
Protect me
Shared Anguish
SotW (stability)
RaO (stab)
GS#4 (one of the best blocks in game)
Various damage mitigations from WS traitline
Protection after dodge rolls
Various (all sorts of) utilities from pets, like Blinds, Weaknesses, Dazes, Fears, Stuns, Taunts….

Want me to continue? …

Yes continue, but I’m looking for more of a “how to” rather than a list of traits and skill that the Ranger already has. I don’t main Ranger remember? A skill list isn’t telling me anything.

All the items you listed are from what the Ranger already has. It’s not like the Ranger is going to automatically give 5k heals per sec to his allies, due to his Elite specialization. It’s hard to believe that the Ranger has everything to gained and nothing to lose.

You said that ranger has no way to mitigate damage, and deal with CC. I just listed you various skills and traits that prove that to be laughably wrong, and that’s the skills that quickly came to mind.

You obviously have no knowledge on ranger, yet you did create a thread saying jibber jabber about what the class can do.

The class utilizes self sustains via large amounts of CC and Survival skills (what you listed) that’s already part of the Ranger’s Meta – Not Druid.

What I want to know is, what are you going to trade in to gain the Druid skill set? I’ve seen the Ranger meta, a meta full of CC, Power and self sustains.

What is the Druid going to bring?
What tree are you going to sacrifice to gain these items?
What role does it have?
Is the Meta Ranger going to be the same with the exception of “moar team heelz”?

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Some may think that you are just annoyed that guardian might lose his spot to a druid.

Then those people don’t know me at all

Druid is not going to replace Guardian for what that bunker Guard build already does.
I would be happily surprised if the Ranger turns out to be a dps warrior but, he’s not going to outclass the Guardian. He’s not going to outclass Shout Warrior. He’s not going to outclass Revenant. Druid is going to offer heals, heals, and.. .. selfish utilities.

You are already throwing a class in the trash by jibber jabbering about what other classes can do, completelly ignoring the fact that we have not played the class and do not yet know how elite specs will change the game.

I’m done replying to you. Keep on hating.

There’s the difference with replying with facts, like what the meta class already offers, as oppose to replying what the class is going to improve on….

That’s what I’m looking for in terms of a response from you – tell me what the Druid’s strength is and tell me what its weaknesses are..

TL;DR
We haven’t played the new Dragonhunter Changes but I can absolutely tell you what our strengths are, what trees we’re going to pick and what our weaknesses will be.

Can you not do the same with your main, given the Druid specialization video and utilities / traits that you’ve seen?

Nah I don’t think these leather lovers will replace the support guard.

Currently, Rangers and Mesmers are at the top of the heap in 1v1. I think the Druid elite could secure their position as the best duelers out of all builds and classes. That’s probably the biggest threat they have – which isn’t that much really.

I guess we’ll just have to see how well they stack in a team. 2 or more of these could be a problem.

Saiyan.1704:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Saiyan.1704:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Saiyan.1704:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Saiyan.1704:

Unlike the Guardian, the Druid lacks numerous mitigative abilities like Blinds, Blocks, Invulnerability etc. The Druid will get CC’d and bursted down so fast, it’ll be laughable.

Signet of stone
Protect me
Shared Anguish
SotW (stability)
RaO (stab)
GS#4 (one of the best blocks in game)
Various damage mitigations from WS traitline
Protection after dodge rolls
Various (all sorts of) utilities from pets, like Blinds, Weaknesses, Dazes, Fears, Stuns, Taunts….

Want me to continue? …

Yes continue, but I’m looking for more of a “how to” rather than a list of traits and skill that the Ranger already has. I don’t main Ranger remember? A skill list isn’t telling me anything.

All the items you listed are from what the Ranger already has. It’s not like the Ranger is going to automatically give 5k heals per sec to his allies, due to his Elite specialization. It’s hard to believe that the Ranger has everything to gained and nothing to lose.

You said that ranger has no way to mitigate damage, and deal with CC. I just listed you various skills and traits that prove that to be laughably wrong, and that’s the skills that quickly came to mind.

You obviously have no knowledge on ranger, yet you did create a thread saying jibber jabber about what the class can do.

The class utilizes self sustains via large amounts of CC and Survival skills (what you listed) that’s already part of the Ranger’s Meta – Not Druid.

What I want to know is, what are you going to trade in to gain the Druid skill set? I’ve seen the Ranger meta, a meta full of CC, Power and self sustains.

What is the Druid going to bring?
What tree are you going to sacrifice to gain these items?
What role does it have?
Is the Meta Ranger going to be the same with the exception of “moar team heelz”?

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Some may think that you are just annoyed that guardian might lose his spot to a druid.

Then those people don’t know me at all

Druid is not going to replace Guardian for what that bunker Guard build already does.
I would be happily surprised if the Ranger turns out to be a dps warrior but, he’s not going to outclass the Guardian. He’s not going to outclass Shout Warrior. He’s not going to outclass Revenant. Druid is going to offer heals, heals, and.. .. selfish utilities.

You are already throwing a class in the trash by jibber jabbering about what other classes can do, completelly ignoring the fact that we have not played the class and do not yet know how elite specs will change the game.

I’m done replying to you. Keep on hating.

There’s the difference with replying with facts, like what the meta class already offers, as oppose to replying what the class is going to improve on….

That’s what I’m looking for in terms of a response from you – tell me what the Druid’s strength is and tell me what its weaknesses are..

We haven’t played the new Dragonhunter Changes but I can absolutely tell you what our strengths are, what trees we’re going to pick and what our weaknesses will be.

Can you not do the same with your main, given the Druid specialization that you’ve seen?

No I will not. I’d rather show it in-game when I’m playing.

Theory =/= action.

Untill then, you are just a kid who is mad because a class may now be able to fill your main class role as well, giving the game more options.

And looking at your recent posts, I’m probably spot-on.

Vapour.7348:

Nah I don’t think these leather lovers will replace the support guard.

Currently, Rangers and Mesmers are at the top of the heap in 1v1. I think the Druid elite could secure their position as the best duelers out of all builds and classes. That’s probably the biggest threat they have – which isn’t that much really.

I guess we’ll just have to see how well they stack in a team. 2 or more of these could be a problem.

This is also in response of Yelloweyedemon.2860.… the poster above me.

I honestly think DH can be a Better 1v1 profession than Mesmer and Druid both.

This comes from the utilization of the Dragonhunter’s F3 Block, Hunter’s Fortification trait (every block is a condi cleanse) as well as a stacking of Amplified Wrath and Rune of the Guardian (2x burn on block effects).

Too bad Power Guardian’s don’t gain more damaging through DH effects.

In terms of 1v1 viability, DH will gain more DPS and more Condi Cleanses than your average META Guardian.. .. in that 1v1 aspect.

Druid – will basically gain more self heals and team heals.
Mesmers – will gain more CC/Slows/bursts but these items are more animated than your average, random, stealthy rotations that you can’t counter..

Yelloweyedemon.2860... you’re not on a top team.. you have nothing to hide other than facts about what a profession Can or Can-not do. Like you said, there’s nothing more to say.
I’m not acting immaturish, i’m not calling you out, i’m merly stating facts; challenging statements that may or maynot be accurate…. don’t take it personal.

I’m not the one who started a thread filled with insecurities, trying so desperatelly to dumb an elite spec saying they can only do 1 thing and when replied otherwise, de-railing the thread by comparing the elite spec to the guardian and try to make it feel less powerful, while completelly ignoring game-changing facts like taking into consideration 9 new elite specs and their synergy.

But yeah… whatever I guess? ..lol