Guild Wars 2

I and so many other guardians, are sick and tired of ANET’s inscrutable logic when it comes to guardian.

This Druid Reveal was I feel almost the last straw for most guardians.

FIRST, I would like to point out the celestial form. How can ANET ask guardians advice on what to do with guardian tomes, when it is obvious they LITERALLY made the celestial form from Druid a polished and better version of it. Did they do that so they can give it to Druid secretely? While giving us some last minute roflmao signet (which still keeps us stationary, like every kitten guardian skill).

They also give druid our, LITERALLY our same trait (altruistic healing) and EVEN made it a minor trait. Not something you even have to choose between.

Then what? They give guardians a rofl version of Ranger as DH and give us the one thing no one likes, TRAPS!

They also gave Druids a skill that is pretty much retaliation but on steroids. Like that skill is something I would think the elite form of guardian would have. They literally made ranger a guardian lmfao.

I am certain we all feel and hope deep down inside as guardians, this has to be some sort’ve sick joke and they have something up their sleeves.

I am all for the Druid and love how it looks, but to make it to the point where its simply a mockery of another profession but polished and better, while giving that same profession the unwanted utilities skills of another, is beyond ludacris.

Then what? We have one specific viable spec in PvP and WvW, and what do they do to the elite? Nerf it? LOL……..

It was too strong…..says who? Are we all seeing the same thing here.

Lets look at the other problems of DH/Guardian:

1) Glacial heart was nerfed for no reason still and is STILL in the wrong spot.
2) Shield is still bad.
3) They nerfed purity because of ignorance and thinking someone would be dumb enuff to want to bleed out slower.
4) They pretty much make symbols heals unobtainable because no one will ever take it over the other traits.
5) They didn’t address our problems such as no access to swiftness.
6) We did any new f# abilities, while every other elite did.
7) The damage from DH is laughable and offers nothign new.
8) Traps…………………lol. They speak for themselves. On top of the fact they are not ground targeted.
9) DH traits have no synergy with the only viable spec atm and STILL will be the only viable spec.

What is the point of DH?

I was speechless when I saw how amazing Druid was on stream, then I felt really bad for both eles and guardians. Hopefully DragonHunter gets alot better.

Well guardian is still in a good spot because we are good with stability; so we can allow all other classes to use their new fancy stuff without getting interrupted /kappa

Well.. atleast rangers also deserved some love and at first glance they got it, now it’s only a question if most rangers want to play healers.

how is it a mockery? guards and eles are the masters of boons. druids give no boons to anyone.

I remember when Ventari was first revealed and guardians said it would kill guardian. Then again when they revealed Herald. It’s complete and total overreaction. Chances are Druid is overbuffed and will be scaled back.

Skullface.7293:

I was speechless when I saw how amazing Druid was on stream, then I felt really bad for both eles and guardians. Hopefully DragonHunter gets alot better.

I really feel bad for rangers. Druid only has ONE viable build going for them.

lilz shorty.1879:

I and so many other guardians, are sick and tired of ANET’s inscrutable logic when it comes to guardian.

This Druid Reveal was I feel almost the last straw for most guardians.

FIRST, I would like to point out the celestial form. How can ANET ask guardians advice on what to do with guardian tomes, when it is obvious they LITERALLY made the celestial form from Druid a polished and better version of it. Did they do that so they can give it to Druid secretely? While giving us some last minute roflmao signet (which still keeps us stationary, like every kitten guardian skill).

They also give druid our, LITERALLY our same trait (altruistic healing) and EVEN made it a minor trait. Not something you even have to choose between.

I mentioned in a thread about how Guardians should of had something like celestial form when they change our tombs but..

You made a great point that I forgot about, and that was the huge feedback threads of suggestions for the guardian’s tomes.

I completely feel the same way, they just took our suggestions for Guardian (specifically the tomes) and just gave it to the Druid. I’m happy for Druid and will play one but its slap to the face, and altruistic healing for ranger. really?!

It seems way better then the Guardian version, I wounder how much sustain the Druid will have from that skill by just pressing 1 on the staff auto attack beam 1200 range away.
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That being said, I don’t know how Guardian will look in the expansion, it seems like a dark future. On the bright side Anet did say they will be balancing pvp more often with the seasons. It will take a miracle but maybe the Developer in charge of the Guardian will listen to us and actually engage in discussion for the sake of all Guardian players, just like how the other Developers do with the other classes.

mistsim.2748:

how is it a mockery? guards and eles are the masters of boons. druids give no boons to anyone.

Do you know what the definition of mockery is? It literally is what this druid is because it literally is taking what guard has and putting it into another class but making it more polished. They literally even have a trait that is the same but renamed. As well as the retaliation being on steroids comment I made. The tome thing is what irritated a lot of us guardians mostly.

Its like they asked us for an answer/advice, but knew the answer to it and decided to give it to someone else and make it worse. Like wtf kinda bs is that.

lilz shorty.1879:

We have one specific viable spec in PvP and WvW, and what do they do to the elite? Nerf it? LOL…….

Ahh, poor guards, only one viable spec in WvW, for a class that has been both a requirement and the most numerous for 3 years, I am sure engies, rangers, mesmer, etc are crying tears for you.

How about PvP, well lets see, for nearly two years every single team had a bunker guard, and since then decent representation with medi, then more bunker and condi build, again I am sure those who play classes who have spent huge periods of time as poorly represented like ranger, necro, mesmer, etc are shedding tears for your perceived plight.

What next, elementalists moaning?

I rather Druid be the Guardian’s Specialization..

As ranger, I want to be a range offensive force, not a healbot.

I expected druid to be more of a offensive and defensive buff class with versatility (through kit-like transform), but turns out it’s Guardian 2.0…

Trust me, as ranger main and ranger for life, I’m as disappointed and frustrated as you Guardians. I didn’t sign up ranger for being a heal bot or Guardian 2.0…

Hey kitten, guardians have godlike boons and group support/tankiness that make them a top tier frontliner…..

You think druids got aegis and stability and all the goodies guardian has??

Stop acting as if druid is strictly better…. all it is a freaking healbot with some minor PBAoE CC…..

Now I’ll happily give guardians the druid spec if anet would give rangers an alternative….. if you were to tell me the best role a ranger was going to have is a healbot, I would not have made it my main.

zinkz.7045:

lilz shorty.1879:

We have one specific viable spec in PvP and WvW, and what do they do to the elite? Nerf it? LOL…….

Ahh, poor guards, only one viable spec in WvW, for a class that has been both a requirement and the most numerous for 3 years, I am sure engies, rangers, mesmer, etc are crying tears for you.

How about PvP, well lets see, for nearly two years every single team had a bunker guard, and since then decent representation with medi, then more bunker and condi build, again I am sure those who play classes who have spent huge periods of time as poorly represented like ranger, necro, mesmer, etc are shedding tears for your perceived plight.

What next, elementalists moaning?

Trust me, OP doesn’t represent the Guard community.

Saiyan.1704:

zinkz.7045:

lilz shorty.1879:

We have one specific viable spec in PvP and WvW, and what do they do to the elite? Nerf it? LOL…….

Ahh, poor guards, only one viable spec in WvW, for a class that has been both a requirement and the most numerous for 3 years, I am sure engies, rangers, mesmer, etc are crying tears for you.

How about PvP, well lets see, for nearly two years every single team had a bunker guard, and since then decent representation with medi, then more bunker and condi build, again I am sure those who play classes who have spent huge periods of time as poorly represented like ranger, necro, mesmer, etc are shedding tears for your perceived plight.

What next, elementalists moaning?

Trust me, OP doesn’t represent the Guard community.

Good thing the solo queue hero is a better representation of the Guardian community than one who has actually played top tier pvp….

zinkz.7045:

Ahh, poor guards, only one viable spec in WvW, for a class that has been both a requirement and the most numerous for 3 years, I am sure engies, rangers, mesmer, etc are crying tears for you.

How about PvP, well lets see, for nearly two years every single team had a bunker guard, and since then decent representation with medi, then more bunker and condi build, again I am sure those who play classes who have spent huge periods of time as poorly represented like ranger, necro, mesmer, etc are shedding tears for your perceived plight.

What next, elementalists moaning?

You got it all wrong. Noone complains that the ranger-masterrace gets a good spec. Ranger is neither masterrace nor is the spec any good (from most rangers perspectiv).

What makes a lot of guards mad is the specific stuff the ranger got that is literally what the guard thematically has/had and wanted. The celestial form is basically what guards wanted the new tome to be and now we watch another class get it (no matter how usefull it is to them)

Rangers are raging because they got a heal (and only heal) spec on a pew-pew-ranged-class and guards are raging because they see their shinies given to someone else.

Actually, I find the Druid a very interesting spec. And I have 4k hours on my ranger. It offers synergies with every line.

Plenty of dazes – good with MM moment of clarity
Staff 3 movement ability – great with Skirmishing QD and greatsword for amazing mobility
You need boons? – get BM and NM

Also, it has synergies with already existing weapons. I am especially exited to see how staff works with LB or GS in actual combat.

Let me add one more thing you people fail to see:

They fail to recognize Druid provides no might, no fury, no quickness, no stability, no protection, no Aegis, boons that any other heal classes have good access to that actually makes a difference.

They’d soon realize this truth and shaft Druid away and pick on another Ele which do everything Druid can do (heal, CC), while doing even more damage and provide all the useful boons I listed above. (Oh, they probably will bring another Mesmer too because it provides unique offensive buffs)

lilz shorty.1879:

I and so many other guardians, are sick and tired of ANET’s inscrutable logic when it comes to guardian.

This Druid Reveal was I feel almost the last straw for most guardians.

My main is a Guardian. I was upset when the Tomes went away, I didn’t pop them often but I did occasionally when the team was getting mobbed I liked being able to fall back and heal for a short burst. Was it perfect? Far from it. But it is clear now why that mechanic was removed, they had other plans.

This is really bad all around. How many Rangers do you know now that want to be re-speced as dedicated healers? They said today that the Druid can heal “like nothing you’ve seen before in GW2” and that “berserker armor isn’t going to cut” for some of the challenging content in HoT. That means they are envisioning the Druid as one of if not the strongest dedicated healers in the game…. Is that really what your Rangers signed up for ArenaNet? That is what your Guaridans have always secretly hoped to be. IMO the Elite spec for each class should make it into a more versatile version of what it was before not give it so much healing power that the community will demand the players spec the character to be a healer when they created the character and leveled it to 80 with other plans in mind. How is that logical design? It’s not even consistent either, you’ll note that the Reaper and Chronomancer do all fit into my concept of “better version of what I was before”. The Guardian and Tempest are both kind of weak transitions and the Ranger to Druid gets the most radical transformation, one that doesn’t make a lot of sense given that it angers Guardians and Eles who want to be able to claim the dedicated healer slot in Raids and bad for Rangers who never wanted that roll to begin with…. It leads me to wonder if the game is being made to make its developers happy or to make the player community happy?

ArenaNet where is the respect for he player in the Ranger to Druid conversion? How did you come to reason Rangers would want an elite spec so focused on healing when their core class does very little to focus there? How did you not see the backlash from Guardians and Eles coming? For a player who’s main is a Ranger who has no interest in healing, they don’t have anything to look forward to in their specialization do they? Please explain why you have created this scenario for rangers?

Dragon Hunter is meant to be a tank role for PvE. Druid is meant to be healer role in pve. Thats why they different.

Dragon Hunter will make great off tanks in the group. Traps work great for mob control for AoE trash tanking. The virtues are great for movement and defending the group and main tank. Focus and new shield is great for AoE tanking hits from multiple sources at once.

lets not forget longbow adds symbol for energy and CC knockback as well as a a way to defend group from projectiles.

best raid off tank is Dragon Hunter imo.

Aomine.5012:

Let me add one more thing you people fail to see:

They fail to recognize Druid provides no might, no fury, no quickness, no stability, no protection, no Aegis, boons that any other heal classes have good access to that actually makes a difference.

They’d soon realize this truth and shaft Druid away and pick on another Ele which do everything Druid can do (heal, CC), while doing even more damage and provide all the useful boons I listed above. (Oh, they probably will bring another Mesmer too because it provides unique offensive buffs)

But but but…. You gotta whine first right???

It somehow feels like they had a completely different idea for druid, for some reason had to completely overhaul that and that is why druid is the last spec although they did all other specs in the right order.

On the other hand they had a (half) finished new concept for the guard tomes.

Because of the release date and community pressure they just took the tome-spec and made it the druid elite.

Thats the kind of vibe I get

Drennon.7190:

Saiyan.1704:

zinkz.7045:

lilz shorty.1879:

We have one specific viable spec in PvP and WvW, and what do they do to the elite? Nerf it? LOL…….

Ahh, poor guards, only one viable spec in WvW, for a class that has been both a requirement and the most numerous for 3 years, I am sure engies, rangers, mesmer, etc are crying tears for you.

How about PvP, well lets see, for nearly two years every single team had a bunker guard, and since then decent representation with medi, then more bunker and condi build, again I am sure those who play classes who have spent huge periods of time as poorly represented like ranger, necro, mesmer, etc are shedding tears for your perceived plight.

What next, elementalists moaning?

Trust me, OP doesn’t represent the Guard community.

Good thing the solo queue hero is a better representation of the Guardian community than one who has actually played top tier pvp….

Awe people recognize me as that? /blushes

Never said I was more qualified. Only meant that he doesn’t represent me or anyone else.

Aomine.5012:

StickerHappy.8052:

Aomine.5012:

Let me add one more thing you people fail to see:

They fail to recognize Druid provides no might, no fury, no quickness, no stability, no protection, no Aegis, boons that any other heal classes have good access to that actually makes a difference.

They’d soon realize this truth and shaft Druid away and pick on another Ele which do everything Druid can do (heal, CC), while doing even more damage and provide all the useful boons I listed above. (Oh, they probably will bring another Mesmer too because it provides unique offensive buffs)

But but but…. You gotta whine first right???

This is all you got for a counter-argument?

Good job folk.

What? I was Pro- your post? Read again. I am basically saying, the guards are whining first, not realizing the truth in what you posted about the boons.

What are you getting so defensive about?

StickerHappy.8052:

Aomine.5012:

StickerHappy.8052:

Aomine.5012:

Let me add one more thing you people fail to see:

They fail to recognize Druid provides no might, no fury, no quickness, no stability, no protection, no Aegis, boons that any other heal classes have good access to that actually makes a difference.

They’d soon realize this truth and shaft Druid away and pick on another Ele which do everything Druid can do (heal, CC), while doing even more damage and provide all the useful boons I listed above. (Oh, they probably will bring another Mesmer too because it provides unique offensive buffs)

But but but…. You gotta whine first right???

This is all you got for a counter-argument?

Good job folk.

What? I was Pro- your post? Read again. I am basically saying, the guards are whining first, not realizing the truth in what you posted about the boons.

What are you getting so defensive about?

Ok, sorry folks.

Because not many people share my opinion so I got the wrong idea :P

I’ll delete my previous post.
Chill, good sir

Remember: a-net wants all profession to be able to fill all possible roles. Guardian didn’t need more support, they already have a very powerful bunker build with boons + healing. Guardians are a fairly balanced profession, with good DPS builds AND good support build. They mostly lacked ranged DPS, which I guess is what DH was supposed to do (with mixed results).

Ranger already have good ranged and melee DPS. It has flaws, but those are mostly linked to the clunkiness of some skills and the pet mechanics, so something which needs to be fixed at the core level, not added with elite spec. They also have some boons (fury, regen), but nothing extraordinary. Finally they had no good form of healing support (they just have tons of regen, but regen does not stack). So druid fills a useful niche for ranger.

Now one may argue about the choice of going full heal instead of a mixed of healing and some other support (boons for example), but a-net also wants each profession to fulfill its role in a different way. So guardians and eles are healing + boons, druid is heavy healing. Sounds like good balance to me.

Guardian still have a role. Currently, I believe guardians are still better because of the boons which reduces the need for healing (protection, aegis) and also significantly boost the allies DPS to compensate for your low personal DPS.

Drennon.7190:

Saiyan.1704:

zinkz.7045:

lilz shorty.1879:

We have one specific viable spec in PvP and WvW, and what do they do to the elite? Nerf it? LOL…….

Ahh, poor guards, only one viable spec in WvW, for a class that has been both a requirement and the most numerous for 3 years, I am sure engies, rangers, mesmer, etc are crying tears for you.

How about PvP, well lets see, for nearly two years every single team had a bunker guard, and since then decent representation with medi, then more bunker and condi build, again I am sure those who play classes who have spent huge periods of time as poorly represented like ranger, necro, mesmer, etc are shedding tears for your perceived plight.

What next, elementalists moaning?

Trust me, OP doesn’t represent the Guard community.

Good thing the solo queue hero is a better representation of the Guardian community than one who has actually played top tier pvp….

I agree with the OP on this new ranger role. At the same time, there’s nothing wrong with being a solo queue hero. A lion’s share of PvPers are solo queues.

Funny how the thread about improving bad matchmaking didn’t interest the “elite tourney folk” while thousands of solo queuers cheered and saw it as a win.

The tourney folk represent such a huge minority. Unfortunately, a lot of people are sheep and look up to tourney folks without realizing how different the gameplay is between the 2 modes.

I have nothing against this OP but I’ve witnessed that most tourney ppl don’t queue solo. And brave ones that do could hardly carry the team or in other words, they weren’t outstanding as one would expect.

Silverkey.2078:

Remember: a-net wants all profession to be able to fill all possible roles. Guardian didn’t need more support, they already have a very powerful bunker build with boons + healing. Guardians are a fairly balanced profession, with good DPS builds AND good support build. They mostly lacked ranged DPS, which I guess is what DH was supposed to do (with mixed results).

Ranger already have good ranged and melee DPS. It has flaws, but those are mostly linked to the clunkiness of some skills and the pet mechanics, so something which needs to be fixed at the core level, not added with elite spec. They also have some boons (fury, regen), but nothing extraordinary. Finally they had no good form of healing support (they just have tons of regen, but regen does not stack). So druid fills a useful niche for ranger.

Now one may argue about the choice of going full heal instead of a mixed of healing and some other support (boons for example), but a-net also wants each profession to fulfill its role in a different way. So guardians and eles are healing + boons, druid is heavy healing. Sounds like good balance to me.

Guardian still have a role. Currently, I believe guardians are still better because of the boons which reduces the need for healing (protection, aegis) and also significantly boost the allies DPS to compensate for your low personal DPS.

What ranger actually lacks is versatility and offensive/defensive buffs for the party.
Not healing… Every classes can heal.

Aomine.5012:

Let me add one more thing you people fail to see:

They fail to recognize Druid provides no might, no fury, no quickness, no stability, no protection, no Aegis, boons that any other heal classes have good access to that actually makes a difference.

They’d soon realize this truth and shaft Druid away and pick on another Ele which do everything Druid can do (heal, CC), while doing even more damage and provide all the useful boons I listed above. (Oh, they probably will bring another Mesmer too because it provides unique offensive buffs)

Did I ever say that Druids could do everything guards can do? My title clearly states I said a mockery. People seem to not understand the definition of the word.

Also, my reason and main reason for this is the celestial form, and them giving us a terrible alternate to our tome. Us guardians had a thread that they asked for feedback asking how to make it better, and people gave many solutions. Celestial form was literally, i mean LITERALLY what a lot of people recommended and it wasnt given to us? It was merely given to the ranger and it seems they either knew that this was a better version and asked us anyway or got the idea from us.

That is why i’m irritated mostly. Then the Alturistic Healing crap. Like that is the biggest slap in the face that another class can get literally the same trait.

As for @Saiyan. Your opinion is negligible you are right, I dont represent noobs who always defend ANET when it comes to guardian at every opportunity. I also I feel, actually I know my opinion is has a lot more worth than yours does. That may sound conceited but at this point I don’t care anymore. I am trying to help us all out as guardians and that is my end goal. I have spoken to many guardians and watched silently at times as to what many guards have had to say. I don’t ever claim to speak for guardians but I feel a majority will agree, and do not doubt in my mind that they all know I seek to better our class as a whole. If you want to offer conceited remarks, then your one sentenced opinion is not welcome here.

Knighthonor.4061:

Dragon Hunter is meant to be a tank role for PvE. Druid is meant to be healer role in pve. Thats why they different.

Dragon Hunter will make great off tanks in the group. Traps work great for mob control for AoE trash tanking. The virtues are great for movement and defending the group and main tank. Focus and new shield is great for AoE tanking hits from multiple sources at once.

lets not forget longbow adds symbol for energy and CC knockback as well as a a way to defend group from projectiles.

best raid off tank is Dragon Hunter imo.

Ah, see now we get into what got us here design wise. A heavy armored dedicated healer is just out of the question for the tactical aspects to work and the game to be challenging. Guess they decided a medium armor profession could make it work, problem is still how many Rangers do you know who really want to graduate to the dedicated healer/support role on a team? Can you think of any other MMO class progression where the player is forced to completely change their team role in order to max their value in tactical play?

Cause Druid has so much aoe stab to stop all the CC out there.
Am I right?

Eurantien.4632:

Cause Druid has so much aoe stab to stop all the CC out there.
Am I right?

Exactly.
Just tried to explain this to them in two other threads.

LOL this is why I leave the guardian talk to guardians. You guys are completely missing the other problem here as well.

Yes we will still be viable and have other things classes cant offer but only in the same way we have for the last 3 years with no mechanic change. Hell we can’t even utilize our new elite traits or weapon to maintain viablility. Yet we are comparing our current viable spec to a new profession/elite spec? Wasn’t this supposed to be an expansion?
That is where the problem lies. We gained nothing new to work with really.

The only new mechanic change we have gotten to our play style in 3 years is the Feel My Wrath and they NERF IT LOL…….

After oct 23rd nothing will change. People may run guardians but everyone will say oh they are fine? LOL isnt this supposed to be an expansion? Oh but guardian offers this and that? You mean what we’ve always done right? So because we’ve always done a good job at one thing, does that mean we shouldn’t get a new elite thats worth while?

And I also stated above why this is a mockery. Never did I say, if people could read for crying out loud, druid did everything guardian could do.

If you are going to post, please go read first.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Eurantien.4632:

Cause Druid has so much aoe stab to stop all the CC out there.
Am I right?

Exactly.
Just tried to explain this to them in two other threads.

RAMPAGE AS ONE.
RAMPAGE AS ONE.
RAMPAGE AS ONE.

My lord, do you honestly think Druids will take Glyph of Unity? HAHAHA! No. Rampage as one, 48 second cooldown, 10 seconds of stability.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Eurantien.4632:

Cause Druid has so much aoe stab to stop all the CC out there.
Am I right?

Exactly.
Just tried to explain this to them in two other threads.

And we try to explain again and again that we don’t say “druid so stronk pls nerf”, but we question why ranger got copies of guard traits/spells and has the improved version of our tomes that some wanted back badly.

Skullface.7293:

I was speechless when I saw how amazing Druid was on stream, then I felt really bad for both eles and guardians. Hopefully DragonHunter gets alot better.

No one should feel sorry for eles
Anyway Druid is the best elite spec so far

Mockery could either mean a really bad imitation (ex, LOL that plastic Hermes handbag you got your girlfriend is a terrible MOCKERY of the real thing. They could have at least spelled Hermes correctly)

Mockery could also mean to ridicule.

P.S. Don’t get it confused with the song Mockingbird by James Taylor and Carly Simon. Clearly one of the most annoying songs ever recorded.

cakeonroof.7385:

Mockery could either mean a really bad imitation (ex, LOL that plastic Hermes handbag you got your girlfriend is a terrible MOCKERY of the real thing. They could have at least spelled Hermes correctly)

Mockery could also mean to ridicule.

P.S. Don’t get it confused with the song Mockingbird by James Taylor and Carly Simon. Clearly one of the most annoying songs ever recorded.

Yes I mean bad imitation because it is……

And when I mean bad, I mean as in the way they went about it and not the profession itself.

The first thing that came in my mind upon reading about Druid was “They took our jerrrbs”

However, I don’t think the entry level rangers would suddenly want to play a healing or support role.

If the Druid is any good, I could see veteran guardians put it to better use more than anyone else.

I still think the roles got reversed coz they fired the ppl working on the original balance team and imported cheap labor from 3rd world countries. Dragont hunter is more fitting with rangers. Druids and guardians you read about in Celtic lore.

Starfall.6425:

It somehow feels like they had a completely different idea for druid, for some reason had to completely overhaul that and that is why druid is the last spec although they did all other specs in the right order.

On the other hand they had a (half) finished new concept for the guard tomes.

Because of the release date and community pressure they just took the tome-spec and made it the druid elite.

Thats the kind of vibe I get

Yes. It does seem this is what’s happened. Consider all other Elite Specs just enhance on how the base class/profession mechanic works. They just enhance the play style the Mesmer, Necro, Guardian, etc.. are already doing. Not Druid.

Druid forces the Ranger into an entirely new tactical team role. Considering none of the other Elite Specs impose this on the player and that Druid is coming last it is very interesting. My guess is as they developed Raid content they realized the only way to find the fun was to give us a dedicated healer. ArenaNet has said they feel Guardian is well balanced so obviously they didn’t want to mess with Guardian, their only option was to hijack one of the elite specs and turn it into the dedicated healer many of us have been asking for since 2010 when they announced “no dedicated healers”

If all that is true then it means the Druid is sort of a hack of an Elite Specialization, created because one of the classes were going to have to full this role and because time constraints and deadlines restrict them from retooling the other elite specs.

It’s almost as if ArenaNet is begrudgingly giving us a dedicated healer but and are forcing rangers to carry that weight. The primary player base who would want the role would be Guardians. Every player who rolled a Guardian picked it over Warrior because they wanted to be support.

While I do agree rangers deserve much needed love and care, but this reveal might have been the last nail in the coffin for many guardian players and their expectations of DH.

It’s back to base guardian for those sad DHs or better yet a new class if they seek change.

inb4 they mistake and put the DH in guards and the Druid in rangers but it was all the other way around lmao.

Oslaf Beinir.5842:

While I do agree rangers deserve much needed love and care, but this reveal might have been the last nail in the coffin for many guardian players and their expectations of DH.

It’s back to base guardian for those sad DHs or better yet a new class if they seek change.

This right here. And that is a good way of simplifying what I mean by people need to stop thinking we are saying Druid will replace us. The problem is its back to our typical base guard, when this elite shouldve been ours/what we we wer all hoping for and not DH. Then to make it so that the mechanics of this new elite are literally refined mechanics of things we have or had? Its time to switch classes while taking that slap in the face.

Guardians have a very nice mix of blocks, reflections, boons and healing. Druid is heavily weighted into healing and daze, but is very poor at distributing boons.

Chokolata.1870:

Guardians have a very nice mix of blocks, reflections, boons and healing. Druid is heavily weighted into healing and daze, but is very poor at distributing boons.

For the love of god. Please people, read what is posted above.

Jackums.3496:

Except for the part where Guardian has vastly superior AoE boon support.

Healing as a role does not belong to the Guardian, nor does support, nor does bunkering.

I swear the next person who fails to even read the messages above or even contemplate what was said or said after needs to just not post lol. I clearly stated stomp soley comparing what guardian does to an elite spec. No one is doing that and you people commenting without realizing what is being said or has been need to stop.

OMFG it’s Morfeus X from Apex.

Guess Im gonna delete my DragonHunter slot to make room for this shameless mockery of an elite. Can we return DragonHunter and get a refund with something nicer?

Folks, Lil shawwwteeee is a fine example of someone truly loyal and passionate towards a single class. You can feel his resentment through his comments. Im scurrrred

I wish Druids replaced Guards just to pizz-off this OP even more

Nova Stiker.8396:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Eurantien.4632:

Cause Druid has so much aoe stab to stop all the CC out there.
Am I right?

Exactly.
Just tried to explain this to them in two other threads.

RAMPAGE AS ONE.
RAMPAGE AS ONE.
RAMPAGE AS ONE.

My lord, do you honestly think Druids will take Glyph of Unity? HAHAHA! No. Rampage as one, 48 second cooldown, 10 seconds of stability.

What part of aoe stab could your neurons not process?

Nova Stiker.8396:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Eurantien.4632:

Cause Druid has so much aoe stab to stop all the CC out there.
Am I right?

Exactly.
Just tried to explain this to them in two other threads.

RAMPAGE AS ONE.
RAMPAGE AS ONE.
RAMPAGE AS ONE.

My lord, do you honestly think Druids will take Glyph of Unity? HAHAHA! No. Rampage as one, 48 second cooldown, 10 seconds of stability.

If the druid isn’t using the glyph elite I don’t think it will be much of a healer then. I’d imagine guardian > druid at that point because of the extra support it offers. So yes.

A scary thing will be druid support ranger with glyph elite and NM. Pet helps rez, practically immune to poison, and prot + weakness when hit which would combo great with normal form glyph elite. But again, no stab in that case unless they run SotW but that is just for the ranger and not for teammates.

I have a good feeling a lot good guards are gonna die out and reroll when hot launches. All as druids or heralds…

I’ll only consider DH if I can pressure just as good as a ranger with LB by adding enough pressure or counter pressure so that they can’t ignore me in team fights and not just go after me cause “Oh look it’s a DK easy kill.” RIP

Pray that this damage buff will do that…