Guild Wars 2

Aomine.5012:

I rather Druid be the Guardian’s Specialization..

actually that wouldve been nice

Anti.9156:

Aomine.5012:

I rather Druid be the Guardian’s Specialization..

actually that wouldve been nice

Do note I do not want to “switch between those 2”
Just saying Guardian is more suited for getting this “healer class”

We can get something entirely different. (maybe not DH thank you very much..)

RIP Glacial Heart #neverforget all the one shots

mistsim.2748:

how is it a mockery? guards and eles are the masters of boons. druids give no boons to anyone.

Exactly, i don’t know how strong druid will be (numbers can be tuned), but there is no reason to complain about another profession than one getting support options. That is what Guild Wars 2 was about from the start, allowing players to choose how to play on each class.

mistsim.2748:

how is it a mockery? guards and eles are the masters of boons. druids give no boons to anyone.

Idk. maybe it’s almost his time of the month and is extra sensitive and emotional.

Starfall.6425:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Eurantien.4632:

Cause Druid has so much aoe stab to stop all the CC out there.
Am I right?

Exactly.
Just tried to explain this to them in two other threads.

And we try to explain again and again that we don’t say “druid so stronk pls nerf”, but we question why ranger got copies of guard traits/spells and has the improved version of our tomes that some wanted back badly.

But maybe the druid didnt get copies of guardian skills/traits? Anet wants every class to provide something in different roles, the druid did not have its role previously as ranger. If a guardian would have similar healing ways and output like the druid, ontop of the guardians already strong boon application, then guard would be favored as the master of all trades. But i totally get that we all see and want different things.

nacario.9417:

Starfall.6425:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Eurantien.4632:

Cause Druid has so much aoe stab to stop all the CC out there.
Am I right?

Exactly.
Just tried to explain this to them in two other threads.

And we try to explain again and again that we don’t say “druid so stronk pls nerf”, but we question why ranger got copies of guard traits/spells and has the improved version of our tomes that some wanted back badly.

But maybe the druid didnt get copies of guardian skills/traits? Anet wants every class to provide something in different roles, the druid did not have its role previously as ranger. If a guardian would have similar healing ways and output like the druid, ontop of the guardians already strong boon application, then guard would be favored as the master of all trades. But i totally get that we all see and want different things.

Lol I think you may misinformed about guardian and why we say it’s a copy. Guardians did have a way to give healing output like a Druid did but it was lackluster and we asked for months to revamp it. What did they do? Remove it and give us an even more lackluster version that no one will even take now, even in WvW(where it was mostly used).

Then on top of that we gave them feedback on this huge guardian thread about what they should do, which was almost exactly like the celestial form, after THEY asked us for feedback? What do they do? Completely ignore any feedback and give is what they already intended, WHILE pretty much using the feedback to build up Druid.

Why even ask us if they pretty much stole what we recommended and gave it to another profession. They also bluntly gave Druid our unique trait AH. They also pretty much revamped a core signature boon of ours, retaliation, and made a unique elite out of, but for the druid……

This is why we are upset. We asked for this and they gave it to someone else while we got an elite not even worth mentioning.

Arena :“Shhhh don’t let the Guardians know, we also stole Elusive Power (deal 10% damage when endurance is not full) and gave it to Warrior, shhhhhh they deserve it, they are in good place hehehe.”

Yes, i agree with every single point of OP. Also, to add up, Spirit Weapon still as useless as fuak ever since they removed the invulnerability.

I have to agree with OP. Out of all the classes, Guardians were the most likely candidate for receiving all that Druid got. Even from a PvE lore-base perspective, Guardians are Monks and Paragons rolled into one class; Monk, being the dedicated healer in GW1 while Paragon was a heavy armored, shouting, spear-chucking buff bot.

Druids on the other hand, weren’t even grounded in lore in GW1. Just vague references about a bunch of kittens going into the jungle and turning into walking tree ghosts.

Just another example of ANet doing what ANet wants to do. Screw the players, let’s give Guardian a bow and traps!

This sounds like how the necromancers responded after seeing Mallyx some going so far as to write a signature about how Revenant is proof the developers read the necromancer forums.

I neither like, nor dislike the druid at this point, I am still in the camp that the core profession is still in need of polish.

Starfall.6425:

Well guardian is still in a good spot because we are good with stability; so we can allow all other classes to use their new fancy stuff without getting interrupted /kappa

Well.. atleast rangers also deserved some love and at first glance they got it, now it’s only a question if most rangers want to play healers.

no no not healer , Sharman/druid big difference we Heal and Damage! simultaneously with the way the traits are set on ranger we could use Beastmastery/Wilderness/druid to speed spam on pet swap with quickness in the Cele form to burst heal and damage during the same window.

its just a choice of do you want healer Stats not the healer role.

Copestetic.5174:

I have to agree with OP. Out of all the classes, Guardians were the most likely candidate for receiving all that Druid got. Even from a PvE lore-base perspective, Guardians are Monks and Paragons rolled into one class; Monk, being the dedicated healer in GW1 while Paragon was a heavy armored, shouting, spear-chucking buff bot.

Druids on the other hand, weren’t even grounded in lore in GW1. Just vague references about a bunch of kittens going into the jungle and turning into walking tree ghosts.

someone skipped really nice chunk of Prophecies campaign huh? :P

lilz shorty.1879:

Jackums.3496:

Except for the part where Guardian has vastly superior AoE boon support.

Healing as a role does not belong to the Guardian, nor does support, nor does bunkering.

I swear the next person who fails to even read the messages above or even contemplate what was said or said after needs to just not post lol. I clearly stated stomp soley comparing what guardian does to an elite spec. No one is doing that and you people commenting without realizing what is being said or has been need to stop.

Comparing a base spec to an elite spec is not credible tho. #realtalk

Let’s look at this from a different point of view:

• Guardian is a class that is already completely designed around healing and boons. Most of it mass party AoE support. Guardian is the one class that seriously lacks ranged support capability. What does the Guardian need in a game where all classes are designed to do everything? The answer just might be.. giving it a longbow.
• Ranger is a class that is already completely designed around ranged attacks. It has little to no team support value in terms of healing or boons. It even has a difficult time surviving when being focused 2v1. These are the reasons that keep it out of serious meta team play. What does the Ranger need to help it’s viability in team play? Just maybe.. a trait line designed for team support like every other class already has.

Druid isn’t guardian and won’t replace it.

I remember:
How eles got perma vigor vs rangers 33%
Thief gets a better poison master
Warrior gets a better signet of stone
Warrior gets a better bonfire
Warrior get better spirits
Warrior gets a better warhorn
Guard gets better shout traits (warrior too)
Etc etc

The idea that a class is stealing your role because of a skill(s) close in nature is wrong. If it was true then ranger would be the victim of a far more egregious role theft as many of our skills and traits have direct counterparts objectively better on other classes.

You should know better.

Guys, chill. Even if druid ends up being the most OP class in the game, no one is going to play them in wvw or spvp because you don’t get credit for killing an enemy unless you damage him. Zero bag potential = no interest. Who knows, maybe they’ll have a role in gvg…

Actually, unveiling the druid as a dedicated healer makes me think there are some 25-man WoW-style pve raids in the works.

I f you make the sum of mockery it is getting laughable:
-Demon Hunter => complete garbage
-Meditation guardian nerfed heavily for unknown reasons
-Boon sharer being sub-par to revenant
-Healer no able to compete with druid
-Traps as utility

I am just wondering what they are waiting for providing better aegis sharing on another profession. They missed this one. For the rest it is a perfect.

“Ranger is a class that is already completely designed around ranged attacks. It has little to no team support value in terms of healing or boons. It even has a difficult time surviving when being focused 2v1. These are the reasons that keep it out of serious meta team play. What does the Ranger need to help it’s viability in team play? Just maybe.. a trait line designed for team support like every other class already has.”

I remeber a time when all you could see in spvp was spirit rangers with all group support you could wish for and healin and resing and dmg and then ANET decided to gut spirits … They also evicerated guardian spirits.
What they have done is, they killed our spirits !!!
And created a hybrid- zombie guard and ranger offspringn druid and DH.

They do read suggestion forums but as a rule they give it to other classes then the one it was suggested for.

One thing i do not agree is that symbol are ruined ,if you dont use shouts ,symbols are quite handy and give good amount of heals/s and dmg/s for aht they are.

Anet’s Point of View:
Promoting Guardian as a class with Shield.

After 3 years Guardian’s Shield is still useless.

What does Anet do with it?

Anet gives longbow to Guardian.

Anet’s logic is top kek.

Starfall.6425:

You got it all wrong. Noone complains that the ranger-masterrace gets a good spec. Ranger is neither masterrace nor is the spec any good (from most rangers perspectiv).

Rangers are raging because they got a heal (and only heal) spec on a pew-pew-ranged-class and guards are raging because they see their shinies given to someone else.

Try speaking for yourself and not others, ranger isn’t a “pew pew ranged class”, you seem to be confusing this MMO with certain others, which is why ranger has GS, sword, dagger, etc, not just bows, classes can be played multiple ways in this game, that you haven’t worked that out yet, is well…

As for the spec, it is excellent, last thing I wanted on ranger was more ranged DPS we already have plenty of that, what ranger was missing was some form of strong group support, druid gives very strong healing & strong CC, it is one of the best specialisations they’ve announced.

And no it wasn’t guards “shinies”, guards already have huge amounts of support, why would you give guards yet more, specialisations are supposed to open up new playstyles, Druid does exactly that.

Starfall.6425:

What makes a lot of guards mad is the specific stuff the ranger got that is literally what the guard thematically has/had and wanted.

Again try speaking for yourself rather than appealing to the popularity of opinion of with “data” that stems from your imagination, what fits something thematically is subjective, what people want, no one knows unless they conduct a forced survey of every ranger/guard playing the game.

Zenith.7301:

Nova Stiker.8396:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Eurantien.4632:

Cause Druid has so much aoe stab to stop all the CC out there.
Am I right?

Exactly.
Just tried to explain this to them in two other threads.

RAMPAGE AS ONE.
RAMPAGE AS ONE.
RAMPAGE AS ONE.

My lord, do you honestly think Druids will take Glyph of Unity? HAHAHA! No. Rampage as one, 48 second cooldown, 10 seconds of stability.

What part of aoe stab could your neurons not process?

What kind of player needs AoE stability from a bunker guard? Oh right! Bad ones

What kittenes me off the most is the Druid is not an elite spec. It’s a build. You can ONLY bring Druid if you are going full healing. Bringing Druid and trying to go power or condi is just wasting an entire traitline.

Too make matters even more frustrating is rangers now has 2 very large leaps. Uh, balance team, what was the reason for nerfing Ride the Lightning? OH RIGHT it was too powerful as an escape. But that’s okay, it can stay nerfed while Herald and Druid can leap across the map in seconds with low CD’s.

Lord Trejgon.2809:

Copestetic.5174:

I have to agree with OP. Out of all the classes, Guardians were the most likely candidate for receiving all that Druid got. Even from a PvE lore-base perspective, Guardians are Monks and Paragons rolled into one class; Monk, being the dedicated healer in GW1 while Paragon was a heavy armored, shouting, spear-chucking buff bot.

Druids on the other hand, weren’t even grounded in lore in GW1. Just vague references about a bunch of kittens going into the jungle and turning into walking tree ghosts.

someone skipped really nice chunk of Prophecies campaign huh? :P

Not at all. There’s just generally not a whole lot of information about Druids in Guild Wars Prophecies’ lore. It’s literally as I said, a bunch of Krytan dudes who went and turned into tree ghosts.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Druid

Kicast.1459:

I f you make the sum of mockery it is getting laughable:
-Demon Hunter => complete garbage
-Meditation guardian nerfed heavily for unknown reasons
-Boon sharer being sub-par to revenant
-Healer no able to compete with druid
-Traps as utility

I am just wondering what they are waiting for providing better aegis sharing on another profession. They missed this one. For the rest it is a perfect.

Funniest post ever lol..

Mediations got buffed. (The block heal skill and elite skill all turned mediation, and mediations all grant fury)

Boon sharing is by far much needed in all contents than healing. (Aegis, protection, quickness, retaliation in wvw, might stacking)

Glyphs are even worse than traps. (long cd, low damage, low utility, and set-up beforehand, short range too)

zinkz.7045:

Try speaking for yourself and not others, ranger isn’t a “pew pew ranged class”, you seem to be confusing this MMO with certain others, which is why ranger has GS, sword, dagger, etc, not just bows, classes can be played multiple ways in this game, that you haven’t worked that out yet, is well…

Let me phrase it differently. How many rangers started the game thinking “I will be a melee dagger ranger”. The ranger is basically a ranged damage dealer with a pet by his side. Of course there are other ways of playing it, because thats how GW2 works.

In my opinion only rangers and guards get an elite spec that dramatically changes their way of playing. All other elites have new mechanic that augment current playstile, not change it and I think that is the reason for a lot of grief. (I’m not a huge fan of every class doing everything)

zinkz.7045:

As for the spec, it is excellent, last thing I wanted on ranger was more ranged DPS we already have plenty of that, what ranger was missing was some form of strong group support, druid gives very strong healing & strong CC, it is one of the best specialisations they’ve announced.

Well how did you say so nicely: That’s only your opinion. I know quite some rangers that are not fond of playing a healer and that is why I phrased my previous post how I did it. I only shouldn’t have said “most rangers”.. that’s right.

zinkz.7045:

And no it wasn’t guards “shinies”, guards already have huge amounts of support, why would you give guards yet more, specialisations are supposed to open up new playstyles, Druid does exactly that.

I called it guards shinies because, like already mentioned multiple times here, when the tomes were removed from the guard the dev’s asked the community for ideas to replace them with. The guard community came up with basically the celestial form the ranger now gets, isn’t it understandable that some guards now are irritated? And like mentioned before I think all other elite specs are augmenting current playstyles, not being completely new ones.

Nova Stiker.8396:

Zenith.7301:

Nova Stiker.8396:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Eurantien.4632:

Cause Druid has so much aoe stab to stop all the CC out there.
Am I right?

Exactly.
Just tried to explain this to them in two other threads.

RAMPAGE AS ONE.
RAMPAGE AS ONE.
RAMPAGE AS ONE.

My lord, do you honestly think Druids will take Glyph of Unity? HAHAHA! No. Rampage as one, 48 second cooldown, 10 seconds of stability.

What part of aoe stab could your neurons not process?

What kind of player needs AoE stability from a bunker guard? Oh right! Bad ones

What kittenes me off the most is the Druid is not an elite spec. It’s a build. You can ONLY bring Druid if you are going full healing. Bringing Druid and trying to go power or condi is just wasting an entire traitline.

Too make matters even more frustrating is rangers now has 2 very large leaps. Uh, balance team, what was the reason for nerfing Ride the Lightning? OH RIGHT it was too powerful as an escape. But that’s okay, it can stay nerfed while Herald and Druid can leap across the map in seconds with low CD’s.

What kind of players need heavy healing from other people to survive?

The truly horrendous one.

Dragon Hunter, Tempest and Daredevil are the poorest received elite specs by far. They need more devs reviewing them because they’re obviously not as well conceived as the other elite specs.

Shalien.9018:

Dragon Hunter, Tempest and Daredevil are the poorest received elite specs by far. They need more devs reviewing them because they’re obviously not as well conceived as the other elite specs.

Because they’re all ‘made’ by the same guy; Karl McClaine. All of ‘his’ teams classes have been really specific and, kind of bad. Meanwhile Robert Gee’s and Irenio’s have been pretty good.

Starfall.6425:

How many rangers started the game thinking “I will be a melee dagger ranger”.

Any player that did basic research before buying the game, any player that has played a reasonable number of MMOs and therefore has experienced classes, mechanics, etc vary, anyone who managed to watch the Lord Of The Rings movies without falling off their chair at the sight of Aragorn using melee weapons for most of the movie, basically non-noobs.

Starfall.6425:

Well how did you say so nicely: That’s only your opinion. I know quite some rangers that are not fond of playing a healer and that is why I phrased my previous post how I did it. I only shouldn’t have said “most rangers”.. that’s right.

Well no that is not what I said “so nicely”, what I said was speak for yourself not others, which is what I did, I didn’t make unsupported claims as to what “most” rangers or guards think, because I can’t possibly know what ‘most’ think, and neither do you.

Starfall.6425:

The guard community came up with basically the celestial form the ranger now gets, isn’t it understandable that some guards now are irritated?

I’d say the “guard community” (again learn to speak for yourself), is delusional if they think they would get that healing spec in addition to all the other group support guard has, which I guess is one of the reasons it went to ranger a class that is severely lacking in that department.

Starfall.6425:

And like mentioned before I think all other elite specs are augmenting current playstyles, not being completely new ones.

Yes you mention it, but I don’t see the point, some specialisations offer a greater change in playstyle than others, some people seem to like that, some people don’t, there is nothing inherently good or bad about that, there is just everyone’s subjective opinion.

Aomine.5012:

Nova Stiker.8396:

Zenith.7301:

Nova Stiker.8396:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Eurantien.4632:

Cause Druid has so much aoe stab to stop all the CC out there.
Am I right?

Exactly.
Just tried to explain this to them in two other threads.

RAMPAGE AS ONE.
RAMPAGE AS ONE.
RAMPAGE AS ONE.

My lord, do you honestly think Druids will take Glyph of Unity? HAHAHA! No. Rampage as one, 48 second cooldown, 10 seconds of stability.

What part of aoe stab could your neurons not process?

What kind of player needs AoE stability from a bunker guard? Oh right! Bad ones

What kittenes me off the most is the Druid is not an elite spec. It’s a build. You can ONLY bring Druid if you are going full healing. Bringing Druid and trying to go power or condi is just wasting an entire traitline.

Too make matters even more frustrating is rangers now has 2 very large leaps. Uh, balance team, what was the reason for nerfing Ride the Lightning? OH RIGHT it was too powerful as an escape. But that’s okay, it can stay nerfed while Herald and Druid can leap across the map in seconds with low CD’s.

What kind of players need heavy healing from other people to survive?

The truly horrendous one.

LOL, you seem to be under the impression that what makes a bunker good is the ability to heal or even support others.

Last time I checked surviving an onslaught of a 1v3-4 for 5 minutes was better than buffing your allies.

SamTheGuardian.2938:

Knighthonor.4061:

Dragon Hunter is meant to be a tank role for PvE. Druid is meant to be healer role in pve. Thats why they different.

Dragon Hunter will make great off tanks in the group. Traps work great for mob control for AoE trash tanking. The virtues are great for movement and defending the group and main tank. Focus and new shield is great for AoE tanking hits from multiple sources at once.

lets not forget longbow adds symbol for energy and CC knockback as well as a a way to defend group from projectiles.

best raid off tank is Dragon Hunter imo.

Ah, see now we get into what got us here design wise. A heavy armored dedicated healer is just out of the question for the tactical aspects to work and the game to be challenging. Guess they decided a medium armor profession could make it work, problem is still how many Rangers do you know who really want to graduate to the dedicated healer/support role on a team? Can you think of any other MMO class progression where the player is forced to completely change their team role in order to max their value in tactical play?

yes I do. TBC World of Warcraft Priest, went from healers, to DPS for the AoE group heal from their channeled damage attack and mana regen to Paladin healers…

Aomine.5012:

Kicast.1459:

I f you make the sum of mockery it is getting laughable:
-Demon Hunter => complete garbage
-Meditation guardian nerfed heavily for unknown reasons
-Boon sharer being sub-par to revenant
-Healer no able to compete with druid
-Traps as utility

I am just wondering what they are waiting for providing better aegis sharing on another profession. They missed this one. For the rest it is a perfect.

Funniest post ever lol..

Mediations got buffed. (The block heal skill and elite skill all turned mediation, and mediations all grant fury)

Boon sharing is by far much needed in all contents than healing. (Aegis, protection, quickness, retaliation in wvw, might stacking)

Glyphs are even worse than traps. (long cd, low damage, low utility, and set-up beforehand, short range too)

…
Well I don’t know which game you are playing but it is obviously not the one I play on.
Block heal is not a meditation…but good try…there is a heal which is a meditation but this one is barely never used in pvp.
Block heal was nerfed as trait on block got a 1 sec icd. No more might stacking possible.
Elite was meditation before patch..so no change.
Glacial hurt was set on virtue and cannot be taken anymore without loosing condi clean on f2…which would be a bad choice
Fury on meditation already available before
You can add medi guards were relying on armor from trait line to dps at close range. This is not the case anymore.

To make it simple medi guard got such a buff that they have compltely disapeared from pvp…

No one said druids would replace guardians. Stop making assumptions and read the posts please.

zinkz.7045:

Starfall.6425:

How many rangers started the game thinking “I will be a melee dagger ranger”.

Any player that did basic research before buying the game, any player that has played a reasonable number of MMOs and therefore has experienced classes, mechanics, etc vary, anyone who managed to watch the Lord Of The Rings movies without falling off their chair at the sight of Aragorn using melee weapons for most of the movie, basically non-noobs.

Well I actually tried to argue reasonably with you, but you just seem to try discrediting me so I will stop after this post. Just wanted to point out that this paragraph is a perfect example of what you tried to accuse me of and calling all rangers that wanted to play ranged-dd noobs… nice choice.

Starfall.6425:

zinkz.7045:

Starfall.6425:

How many rangers started the game thinking “I will be a melee dagger ranger”.

Any player that did basic research before buying the game, any player that has played a reasonable number of MMOs and therefore has experienced classes, mechanics, etc vary, anyone who managed to watch the Lord Of The Rings movies without falling off their chair at the sight of Aragorn using melee weapons for most of the movie, basically non-noobs.

Well I actually tried to argue reasonably with you, but you just seem to try discrediting me so I will stop after this post. Just wanted to point out that this paragraph is a perfect example of what you tried to accuse me of and calling all rangers that wanted to play ranged-dd noobs… nice choice.

Try reading things properly, people may ‘want’ to play whatever they wish, that is irrelevant, the point was you are claiming people have expectations that ranger will be a “ranged damage dealer with a pet”, these people clearly lack experience (they are noobs), if they had played a number of MMOs, rather than nothing but WoW, then they would know ranger is not the same in every MMO, if they had got off their backside and done some research into GW2 before they picked it up, they would know ranger is not simply a ranged damage dealer, if they had read/watched the most famous fantasy novel/film of all time they would know a ranger does not automatically mean ‘ranged damage dealer with a pet’.

It has nothing to do with “discrediting” you personally, it has to do with your illogical argument that some people have certain expectations and therefore games must follow those expectations, if some people are too stupid to realise not every game will be the same as WoW or too lazy to do basic research into a game then the problem is with them, not GW2.

Yeah it is very illogical and noob to expect a ranger to generally be a guy with bow and pet that shoots you from afar. Let’s look at the first sentence how Arenanet decribes the Ranger:

“Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.”

THIS is why I am confident that a majority of ranger players started the class with the intent to be a ranged dd. That is all I said and now I still have to go on arguing with you although it is not really that important for the topic ^^

Starfall.6425:

Yeah it is very illogical and noob to expect a ranger to generally be a guy with bow and pet that shoots you from afar. Let’s look at the first sentence how Arenanet decribes the Ranger:

“Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.”

LOL, yeah it is pretty noob to have your research into a game consist of reading a couple of small sentences, that gives an extremely limited inaccurate and highly incomplete description of how each class plays, though even on that page the clue the ranger uses many weapons, not simply bows, is shown in the image right below.

Starfall.6425:

THIS is why I am confident that a majority of ranger players started the class with the intent to be a ranged dd. That is all I said and now I still have to go on arguing with you although it is not really that important for the topic ^^

Again, speaking for others when you have no evidence to back your claim up, though feel free to show me the data that breaks down what percentage of players even looked at the page and nothing else, against those who went blindly in, those who checked out video/twitch, those who asked questions on game forums, those who started on a different class, etc.

Why are you so insecure that you can’t just state your own view on things without claiming the “most” of group X think something?

P.S – We are only off-topic, because you keep making claims about what “most people” think as some sort of justification, when you have given zero data to actually back that up, if you stuck to what you like/dislike about druid/dragonhunter, then we wouldn’t be here. You might also like to go look up the logical fallacy Argumentum ad populum.

Why is everyone comparing an elite spec to a base class????

/facepalm.