Guild Wars 2

As I understand from recent dev posts and interviews, an ELO system is not in the immediate future for GW2. While I appreciate that many projects are in the developer’s pipeline, please take a second to listen to my reasoning as to why an ELO system should be bumped up to a priority project.

I’m all about competitive play, but I’ll readily admit I’m not on the level of any current GW2 “pros.” I would like my matches to be challenging, but for instance just this weekend I’ve been matched up with iQ pugs, Paradigm, and several other elite GW2 squads. Bottom line, it doesn’t do me any good to play against these teams, and it really isn’t fun.

Would I like to play them when I’m at a level where I can comprehend what they’re doing? Absolutely. Has my PvP experience to date put me in a position to do so? No way!

All I’m proposing is an ELO system similar to that used in popular MOBAs. If a high-ranked player solo queues, the game does its best to match them with similarly ranked players. If they queue with a group, the ELO of the group is calculated and they are matched against as similar a team as possible.

Obviously mismatches will happen, but as a whole it will soften the learning curve for players, create more balanced team matchups, and provide the highly skilled with stiffer competition on a regular basis. Sounds fun, right?

While i agree getting stomped isn’t fun and their needs to be some sort of ranking system i don’t think elo should be used. I say this because of games like league of legends which has probably the most toxic and just angry mad communities ive ever seen in a game.

What happened there and what would happen here is people would rage at each other and feel that if a person was having a bad game then that person is ruining their elo and dragging them down into elo hell were everyone is terrible according to to the person and they believe they should have a higher ranking.

Matches would become rage pits were they losing team all blamed each other or ganged up on one person and we would hear stuff like so many noobs just want a good team kinda post and such in forums.

Coming from League I do understand your point, but is there a better solution? There is already a decent amount of rage on losing teams, shouldn’t we try to get things balanced in terms of matchup and let the whiners sort themselves out?

I don’t think there’s a really good solution to the endless Premade vs Pug conundrum, the only thing you can do is play more, get better, hope all the bad pugs quit so you can beat premades like a boss.

Or just you know, find good players add them to your friends list and send them lots of PMs to Pug with you when they’re on.

While i dont have a better solution i dont think elo is a good idea since it would have to change on how your team performed not just you then people would be mad at people for feeling they hurt their ranking. You coudnt do elo based on your performance alone because then people would just do actions that raised elo and not worry about winning or other things that might hurt it such as die defending a point.

I left that game BECAUSE of the elo system and you want to bring it here?

I hear those of you who raised negative points, but I ask you…is it fun to lose to a team when you didn’t even understand the mechanics they were using? Sure it can be exciting, but does that five minutes make you a better player?

I do agree that ELO systems are not perfect, no ranking system that includes random teammates can be, but it would be better than letting chance sort things out.

If they would implement what everyone ever desires…

An Elo system does not work unless it’s for a team!

PerfectSelf we are having a discussion about possible ranking ideas do you have anything to contribute or just typical internet troll say something pointless and move on?

Ranking system is not as important as simply not matching pugs against premades.

Well, while I partially agree the impact of 2-3 strong individuals on a group can’t be denied.

True seeing as organized pvp is only 5 people 2 or 3 can make a huge difference but then we still have people blaming others for the loss and saying how they tried to carry the team but they were just to bad and this all come back to EVERYONE’S elo would be based on team performance not just how good you did.

Well that is true to a certain extent, your ELO can be affected by the random people you get partnered with. On average though, it would result in at least a far better chance of even matches as shown in many other games spanning from chess to Starcraft.

sPVP needs a ladder system badly, ala SC2.

Eon.5428:

While i agree getting stomped isn’t fun and their needs to be some sort of ranking system i don’t think elo should be used. I say this because of games like league of legends which has probably the most toxic and just angry mad communities ive ever seen in a game.

What happened there and what would happen here is people would rage at each other and feel that if a person was having a bad game then that person is ruining their elo and dragging them down into elo hell were everyone is terrible according to to the person and they believe they should have a higher ranking.

Matches would become rage pits were they losing team all blamed each other or ganged up on one person and we would hear stuff like so many noobs just want a good team kinda post and such in forums.

I just think that arenanet needs to introduce a rating system for 5v5 team play (at least), because u say its no fun getting stomped, i can say its no fun stomping ppl that don’t know how to play, well the 1st couple of times it might be but it does get boring after some time, and payed tournaments wont solve this problem, it might smooth it but will not solve it (will see in the next weeks).
I agree with Eon when he say’s that rating system can be harmful for single play and ppl tend to be mad if they lose rating because someone screw’s up, but i still think that no rating system is way more harmful to the game. Playing just for nicer looking gear doesn’t hold players, playing to be one of the higher rating gamer’s does (some nice rewards at the end of “season” wouldn’t hurt)

That being said, me and my team find the most fun fair match’s, and we are probably not alone i guess.

Another thing that would be great for arenanet to introduce to pvp some sort of spectator mod, but guess that is something that requires a little more work. A recap of the match would be appreciated too ;]

Im sum:
Rating system “good/fun”
Getting stomped “not good/no fun”
Stomping noobs “not good/no fun”
Spectator mod “very good”

Isn’t the raging aspect more of an issue with team-play and personal rating based on team-performance than it is with the actual system itself?

I mean there’s nothing wrong with ELO. It just sounds like people don’t want to be ranked.

And honestly I don’t accept “people would behave badly” as a good reason not to do something.

Alex for sure ranking for organized 5 were the whole team has to be present or something but for just solo or pug tournaments i dont think its a good idea.

Dee Jay while i agree raging is more of a personal thing. What i was getting at is the elo system makes it hard for people not to rage cause weather they played bad or not having other peoples actions effect your ranking when its not a team of people you choose specifically to play with can make the person feel they are getting a lower ranking than they deserve.