Guild Wars 2

185 views? Correct me if I am wrong…plz….I hope I am wrong. 185 views is pretty bad for esport

Edit: different fights had different views….. from 46 views to 1679 views

Doesn’t matter http://i.imgur.com/eACzJ4e.gif

People were busy in Super Adventure Box

That’s because it’s not an esport.

was like 2k viewers, 1.5-1.8k on blu´s channel

Blackjack.5621:

was like 2k viewers, 1.5-1.8k on blu´s channel

2k is still close to nothing

there was a final ? GW2 on ESL ?

Who cares about Esports? New Sylvari Hair
http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/c/2925339

Views: 3,372

There weren’t many viewers because no one really cared about the ESL tournament (players or viewers) because the prize was, to my knowledge, less desirable than a single popsicle.

There were over 2,000 just on Blu’s stream for two teams that aren’t even “that well-known”, if you know what I mean.

That’s quite impressive for the first ESL tournament. It went well and congrats to TP!

Also, GW2 is played competitively. Perhaps not as competitively as it has potential for and perhaps will be in the coming months. Nevertheless, it is considered an “eSport” by definition terms.

tichorum.2415:

Nevertheless, it is considered an “eSport” by definition terms.

Oh well, I guess if it’s technically an esport then I’d better start playing again!

Words mean whatever we want, but if with esport we mean a competition electronic game that has hundreds of thousands of followers and where there are teams and/or players who live by what they earn in those competitions, then gw2 spvp is an esport in the same way that China is comunist, England is a Kingdom or civil service is democratic.

Fun facts about history, we say china is comunist, even when it has one of the most capitalist economies of the world; we say england is a kingdom, even when the king or queen doesn’t have any actual power at all; and we call civil service democratic even when democratic means power of the people and civil service it’s a sort of true intellectual elite aristocracy.

I’ve always thought watch “pro” was boring, why watch people play when you can just play the game.

@Baldric

A little off topic but if i remember right the Queen dose actually have some power, she can dissolve parliament and she can sack a prime minister along with some other stuff (maybe declare war, not too sure about that one), there never used… but she can do it.

I bet a lot of viewers just muted and did something else while waiting for the giveaways.

Atleast that’s what I did with these finals and that gvg thing that was being streamed.

there are 2 types of esports. popular esports and dead esports.

And on the same day League only broke 350,000 viewers at once (maybe more I didn’t watch for that long).
So GW2 is behind in Twitch viewers by 348,000 in the best case scenario from above.
How many players even play tournament pvp in GW2 anymore? A couple of thousand ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM so comparing people interest or who play GW2 tpvp to the people watching one League tournament yesterday the difference is around 340,000 people (giving gw2 the best numbers you could hope for).

Are we ESports yet guys?

Sunday was also some League of Legends championship and Dreamhack (Starcraft2).

Jax.5261:

And on the same day League only broke 350,000 viewers at once (maybe more I didn’t watch for that long).
So GW2 is behind in Twitch viewers by 348,000 in the best case scenario from above.
How many players even play tournament pvp in GW2 anymore? A couple of thousand ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM so comparing people interest or who play GW2 tpvp to the people watching one League tournament yesterday the difference is around 340,000 people (giving gw2 the best numbers you could hope for).

Are we ESports yet guys?

Not really fair comparing a game with the largest playerbase (they have more people playing every day concurrently than GW2 has games sold) to GW2, especially with how GW2 is split. Also, that was ESL, essentially nothing as far as prizes, compared to a tournament where the winners will get $1mil.

So no, we don’t compare yet to the single largest eSport in the world, not very surprising.

compare gw2 daily viewers on twitch. no need to compare with lol. just with some less valuable game. you will se the spot that gw2 deserve..

How many people even try to stream GW2 on a regular basis?

The largest peak viewer number I’ve seen for a GW2 tPvP stream was 5000.

GW2 won’t make it as an e-sport in the near future, and maybe not ever even with a lot of work. Like pretty much every MMO before it that tried, the character combat is just too confusing and fast-paced for the average viewer.

However, it can be a great PvP game with some work. In particular, timing of skills having more impact and improving telegraphing.

Bhawb.7408:

Jax.5261:

And on the same day League only broke 350,000 viewers at once (maybe more I didn’t watch for that long).
So GW2 is behind in Twitch viewers by 348,000 in the best case scenario from above.
How many players even play tournament pvp in GW2 anymore? A couple of thousand ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM so comparing people interest or who play GW2 tpvp to the people watching one League tournament yesterday the difference is around 340,000 people (giving gw2 the best numbers you could hope for).

Are we ESports yet guys?

Not really fair comparing a game with the largest playerbase (they have more people playing every day concurrently than GW2 has games sold) to GW2, especially with how GW2 is split. Also, that was ESL, essentially nothing as far as prizes, compared to a tournament where the winners will get $1mil.

So no, we don’t compare yet to the single largest eSport in the world, not very surprising.

Sorry, what do we compare the game to? Hello Kitty Island Adventures?
What constitutes small enough an E-Sport for us to compare to? Every single E-Sport game is ahead of GW2 in viewers, probably because GW2 isn’t even an E-Sport.
League was just an example of how astronomically behind GW2 is.

I try to watch the twitch views, but I just get bored while watching. It’s just that its boring to watch. There isn’t a TON of strategy involved with the game mode. I’m already heavy into knowing which builds are which and they are usually very typical builds that you see popular in the game. They play the classes like I see played a lot. Usually during fights I can’t really tell what each player is doing (half the time it looks like they’re just spamming on one target, not that they really are. Just the way it looks). Again the map strategy isn’t huge. Somewhat predictable in what they do. Sometimes the seconday objectives can make it interesting to watch, but often times they aren’t hugely important.

The thing about MOBA’s and what not is they have a ton of characters. If gw2 had a ton of builds that were viable and people used a lot of team comp of these builds, it would be a lot interesting. With only 6 classes, 1 popular build for each that you see 90% of the time it isn’t that interesting.

Allie Murdock.8152:

FYI – ESL tourney had 1.8-2k concurrent viewers during the stream (not to mention #s from non-English streams). Maybe Blu can share with us the total number of unique viewers during the stream – but if it’s anything like the other GW2 tournaments, it’s probably around 30-50k unique viewers. I’d say that’s pretty good considering the LoL championship and GvG streams were happening at the same time!

Hmm 30-50k that feels like more than the entire tPVP player base.

Melfice.5091:

Doesn’t matter http://i.imgur.com/eACzJ4e.gif

About 2 hours after clicking that link and I’m still snickering when I think about it.

Deified.7520:

I try to watch the twitch views, but I just get bored while watching. It’s just that its boring to watch. There isn’t a TON of strategy involved with the game mode.

Actually, there’s a good deal of strategy with conquest. The problem is that it’s mostly at the map level, not the node level. It includes exploiting open nodes, moving people around for offense/defense, scouting, etc. The top teams understand this and their team comps and playstyle reflect that. The others just fight on nodes.

However, what you see most often in casts are the node fights, which are largely unintelligible – just a mass of particle effects and you’d hardly ever notice if someone went down if the casters didn’t call it out. Not to mention, constant switching between fights and viewpoints just increases the confusion for viewers.

The fast pace and lack of downtime in conquest also prevents casters from switching to the higher level view or analyzing why a move was good or bad or what a team is going to be doing at a high level.

I couldn’t watch it, because I felt the casters did a poor job of “hyping” the fights. There would be a 1v1 happening on homepoint, and they’d show a spirit ranger running somewhere and talk about a petting zoo. There’s also no marketing or advertising for streams on this game. Put a stream link on your game launcher that shows weekly tournaments or big events. Send an in game mail message out to people a week before and the day of big tournaments. Involve your community more instead of just expecting it all to work out for you.

I just felt that the shoutcasting was horrible this time around. So – didnt stay much into the second round.

2k or so (when i checked was around 1,7k) wouldn’t be bad per se.

Then…considering that it’s quite some time that ESL advertise this, that Anet itself linked the twitch stream on various PR channels (FB for example) and even on login page… yes, it’s kinda low.

Ah, and during ESL a GvG happened and, with a post under “ingame events” dead subforum and one on reddit, had 1,3k spectators.

So, meh.

Well. Even I who have always watched GW2 tournaments didn’t even tune in.
The game is simply not exciting anymore. And the only way to make Anet realize a change is needed is to stop supporting it.
I know this might sound childish or “too cool brah” but based on statements from Anet, they are mostly listening to statistics.
If people keep playing the game, then they must be enjoying it. And to some extend I guess that is true.

kirito.4138:

Allie Murdock.8152:

FYI – ESL tourney had 1.8-2k concurrent viewers during the stream (not to mention #s from non-English streams). Maybe Blu can share with us the total number of unique viewers during the stream – but if it’s anything like the other GW2 tournaments, it’s probably around 30-50k unique viewers. I’d say that’s pretty good considering the LoL championship and GvG streams were happening at the same time!

Hmm 30-50k that feels like more than the entire tPVP player base.

Considering the game can’t sustain 3 round tournaments anymore? That sounds fairly accurate. I don’t know who they think they’re kidding … but hey, it’s pretty easy for them to just put some numbers out there and hope the player base believes them. After all we can’t “see” these numbers they’re telling us about that the PvP population is growing!

Even though the mists that used to be flooded with players is now a kitten ghost town. And then the server my friends migrated to, BECAUSE the server I’m on turned into a ghost town, ALSO turned into a ghost town itself. Yeah, growing numbers, sure.

Oh you, Arenanoobs. =]

it had around 2k viewers, which is great for gw2. We also must keep in mind that it was happening at the same time as the GTA 5 preview streams (50k viewers twitch) and the League of Legends s3 world championships (~1mil viewers across twitch, azubu, youtube, and various other streaming services). Even I found myself switching between streams and only watching the matches I REALLY wanted to see!

Zodian.6597:

it had around 2k viewers, which is great for gw2. We also must keep in mind that it was happening at the same time as the GTA 5 preview streams (50k viewers twitch) and the League of Legends s3 world championships (~1mil viewers across twitch, azubu, youtube, and various other streaming services). Even I found myself switching between streams and only watching the matches I REALLY wanted to see!

That is an overly optimistic way of looking at it. Not to be a downer but you ever hear of the game called Forge? Probably not. You know how many concurrent viewers it had for its ESL Finals? About 1200-1300. And do you know when it was held? Around the same time as the GW2 tourney including LoL and GTA as you mentioned.

http://www.playforgewar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5327-esl-forge-test-cup-recap/

And this game is extremely small and bad (imo). The company for example has 200 followers on Twitter.

tichorum.2415:

There were over 2,000 just on Blu’s stream for two teams that aren’t even “that well-known”, if you know what I mean.

That’s quite impressive for the first ESL tournament. It went well and congrats to TP!

Also, GW2 is played competitively. Perhaps not as competitively as it has potential for and perhaps will be in the coming months. Nevertheless, it is considered an “eSport” by definition terms.

No its not, Quake 3(live) can get double that for finals and its a 14 year old game with a 1000 or so players

So wait, there were literally hundreds of thousands of people on Twitch watching videogames and only 2000 bothered to have a GW2 stream open?

Breakkitten9765:

So wait, there were literally hundreds of thousands of people on Twitch watching videogames and only 2000 bothered to have a GW2 stream open?

yep.

Why watch gw2 pvp? It is just massive aoe spam and as viewer as well as player you can’t see crap. Besides current meta is worst snoozefest we had in 3 years. I can’t believe i am saying this (especially considering i been mainly pvping in various games since sc I (lol dial up)) but i would rather watch some lv 1 noob lving up in starter zones than current garbage for pvp we have.

Lol at this necro post

Jebro alone sat on 3.6k all the games I saw this evening.

Could be 5 figures next season if things keep growing.. The dream is real!

Sheobix.8796:

Breakkitten9765:

So wait, there were literally hundreds of thousands of people on Twitch watching videogames and only 2000 bothered to have a GW2 stream open?

yep.

I thought most necros spec’d reaper now a days? Keep the dream alive.

Bhawb.7408:

Jax.5261:

And on the same day League only broke 350,000 viewers at once (maybe more I didn’t watch for that long).
So GW2 is behind in Twitch viewers by 348,000 in the best case scenario from above.
How many players even play tournament pvp in GW2 anymore? A couple of thousand ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM so comparing people interest or who play GW2 tpvp to the people watching one League tournament yesterday the difference is around 340,000 people (giving gw2 the best numbers you could hope for).

Are we ESports yet guys?

Not really fair comparing a game with the largest playerbase (they have more people playing every day concurrently than GW2 has games sold) to GW2, especially with how GW2 is split. Also, that was ESL, essentially nothing as far as prizes, compared to a tournament where the winners will get $1mil.

So no, we don’t compare yet to the single largest eSport in the world, not very surprising.

True, ok then, lets compare with Vain Glory and freaking MOBILE game, 4k views. Uh oh.

Sicarius.4639:

True, ok then, lets compare with Vain Glory and freaking MOBILE game, 4k views. Uh oh.

Did you just quote … a post… from… 2 years ago?
Guys… He is a real life necro!!!

Smoosh.2718:

Sicarius.4639:

True, ok then, lets compare with Vain Glory and freaking MOBILE game, 4k views. Uh oh.

Did you just quote … a post… from… 2 years ago?
Guys… He is a real life necro!!!

Haha, so I did (although it shows it as only 3 months to me now I’ve looked), hadn’t looked at dates… although…

Given the context looks like Anet is too, how long before it dies this time?

Daecollo.9578:

Who cares about Esports? New Sylvari Hair
http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/c/2925339

Views: 3,372

Great, if only they’d release new sets for a race I actually have (i.e., the rest of them, including all genders but female charr, just need medium and light human female next, but I’ll just temporarily turn my main into a female for some nice screenshots with different armor kombas and outfits since I want my engineer to be an asura male like my elementalist)

As for why the finals don’t have enough views maybe people are waiting for the post-mortem coverage? That’s where you really learn the most. It’s better to learn from the pros’ mistakes than make them ourselves…then again if we aren’t pros we’re making bigger mistakes than them in the first place. Still, their matches should be instructive enough to justify having far more views than it does.