Guild Wars 2

I have a friend in Germany that tells me NA is a clownfiesta. I’m not sure what that means, but I’m guessing he’s just trash talking. When I told him the best player in the game is Naru since he’s going to be the God of PvP, he laughed and said in EU, he would be mid tier.

Why is European players better than America in PvP? GW2 is an American game. Is it because all the good NA players moved to different games that EU is dominant now?

I’m from Australia and played on both EU and NA server. From my limited experience, I’ve observed the general standard of player is better on EU. For the time being, I think EU is managing to maintain a decent playerbase, unlike NA where players have left in droves.

The biggest difference I’ve noticed between the two servers is there is less grief/trolling/ragers on EU.

Can only speak from experience FWIW.

MissCee.1295:

I’m from Australia and played on both EU and NA server. From my limited experience, I’ve observed the general standard of player is better on EU. For the time being, I think EU is managing to maintain a decent playerbase, unlike NA where players have left in droves.

The biggest difference I’ve noticed between the two servers is there is less grief/trolling/ragers on EU.

Can only speak from experience FWIW.

I guess I understand. NA PvP is toxic because so many players on Gold/Plat team that don’t belong. But just because Anet puts Silver level players on Gold/Plat teams and cause losses, doesn’t mean Gold/Plat players are bad.

I think it’s a matter of culture. From what I’ve witnessed, European players tend to be more focused and actually work on improving themselves compared to American players.

The American pro scene has quite a bit of drama (i.e., gw2drama). The culture in America promotes individualism rather than group coordination and synergy. EU players also tend to be more level headed.

On an individual basis, I’d say players from both regions have equal skill mechanically, but because competitive PvP is a team sport, the Europeans just generally have better awareness and make better tactical decisions. This has more or less been true in any team e-sport. NA gaming pros tend to excel in individual capacities.

Because NA players have a higher standards. So most of the decent to pro NA have move to simply better games. Try to get abunch of asians to compete in GW2. I bet they’ll laugh at you and tell you have they refuse to touch a game with such brain dead PvP and community.

Simply put most EUs more then likely have lower or more casual standards of competitive play then NA. So you more then likely have more try hards over there. Where as most of the NA try hards or Pros left for better more meaningful PvP games. Also meaning all that’s mostly left on the NA servers are players, who can’t be asked to play a real skill based, hardcore, or competitive PvP game.

So they sit here in GW2 and laugh it up as they troll others by hacking and idling in the matches just to prompt a negative responses from others. Because that’s okay in a competitive environment by ANet’s standards. However if you report these types of people with video proof to the community ANet comes after YOU.

TL:DR

NA decent and up PvPers have much lower tolerance then EU players. When it comes down to mock competitions that are advertised as actual competition. So EU have more skilled GW2 players.

However look at real PvP games like DoTA, LoL, Smite, CS:GO, and such. EU players normally stand no chance against their NA and Asian overlords. Hence why NA and Asians players hate EU and Russian players so much in these games when they are on their teams.

Reaper Alim.4176:

However look at real PvP games like Smite EU players normally stand no chance against their NA and Asian overlords.

You wot m8? EU>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NA

They say time heals wounds.. https://clips.twitch.tv/DaintyRichPuppyNotLikeThis

Yea boi.

So EU players cooperate more than NA? You saying that in EU PvP, players rotate and don’t tunnel on the Thief bouncing around off of points? I have doubts solo queue players in EU have that much focus.

http://www.deskmag.com/en/steelcase-maps-work-cultures-among-11-countries

you can see that america is at the end of the spectrum for individualism, where eu is a mix.

Natto.5819:

I have a friend in Germany that tells me NA is a clownfiesta. I’m not sure what that means, but I’m guessing he’s just trash talking. When I told him the best player in the game is Naru since he’s going to be the God of PvP, he laughed and said in EU, he would be mid tier.

Why is European players better than America in PvP? GW2 is an American game. Is it because all the good NA players moved to different games that EU is dominant now?

this is silly

You can clearly see from the last tournament that EU and NA top 10 or so players are of the same skill level.

I dont know how you can judge the PvP level now when many of the elite players are not playing.

NA has always been top heavy on thieves, necro and ele’s. HOT base lined those classes so when NA won the first 2 WTS it was because those were the stronger classes.

EU 100% better on the mesmer class. Liek you could make the legit argument that 4 of the top 5 mesmers in the game are in EU which is why you saw 55, Vermillion and TCG become better then NA.

Simply put skill level is the same, if you asked Anet to balance the game properly we could find who had the better teams and i use the word “had” since anything competitive in this game is dead.

Its a PvE game moving forward and only small updates to PvP and WvW will come in the future.

Natto.5819:

I have a friend in Germany that tells me NA is a clownfiesta. I’m not sure what that means, but I’m guessing he’s just trash talking.

You have to realize that he was probably using a NA alt account and that alt account like all alt accounts starts at low MMR. But he probably wasn’t smart enough (or honest enough) to realize this.

Neither NA nor EU can claim to be better. Sure individual players at the top may be better or worse but hard to attribute that to the entire continental servers they play on.

All this drama over who is rated better, who deserves their rating and who doesn’t….feels like a reason to have EU vs NA tournaments. If you’re not going to do that then might as well not speculate over this. Especially because “my nation is better” and “this race is better” are already seeping into the comments.

Reaper Alim.4176:

However look at real PvP games like DoTA, LoL, Smite, CS:GO, and such. EU players normally stand no chance against their NA and Asian overlords. Hence why NA and Asians players hate EU and Russian players so much in these games when they are on their teams.

I’m sorry but in what universe does the NA cs scene stand any chance against EU?
Also…comparing Asian Dota, SC or whatever to us mortals is like letting my grampa do a 100m run against Usain Bolt

NA players tend to not stick with developer’s games that make critical mistakes & refuse to identify let alone try to correct them

EU tend to be more faithful & refuse to accept reality

The EU pvp is on a higher level of play than NA. I played most of the seasons on both and play solo queue only. EU is by far more enjoyable because a lot more players seem to know what to do in this game. Same goes for wvw. EU is much better organised and guilds try to break the meta and are often successful.
Don’t really know why this is the case, but NA seems to adapt more slowly to changes in the game.

I think you messed up the title, it shouldn’t have a question mark at the end.

NotASmurf.1725:

I think you messed up the title, it shouldn’t have a question mark at the end.

Wow. That left burn marks on my forehead. You just called out all 300 players in NA PvP.

Reaper Alim.4176:

However look at real PvP games like DoTA, LoL, Smite, CS:GO, and such. EU players normally stand no chance against their NA and Asian overlords. Hence why NA and Asians players hate EU and Russian players so much in these games when they are on their teams.

Dude, in what universe do you live in?

CS:GO: The NA players are an actual joke. The only Team actually competing with the far superior EU Teams is SK Gaming, which aren’t even NA, they only play in that league, they are Brazillians.

SC2: NA has an even worse reputation, NA players who win their qualifiers for tournaments usually lose to players who lost their 1st or 2nd round in the qualifiers, so there is that.
Not to mention that you can litterally become NA Grandmaster if you are ~diamond in EU. There is a huge gap in skill between EU and NA and it is looking real bad for NA.

so yeah…NA is basically always 3rd when you compare NA to EU and the Asians

The only thing the EU is better at is kitten waving, probably because they are trying to compensate for how irrelevant their region is in the modern world.

Natto.5819:

I have a friend in Germany that tells me NA is a clownfiesta. I’m not sure what that means, but I’m guessing he’s just trash talking. When I told him the best player in the game is Naru since he’s going to be the God of PvP, he laughed and said in EU, he would be mid tier.

Why is European players better than America in PvP? GW2 is an American game. Is it because all the good NA players moved to different games that EU is dominant now?

Not true.

I have alt accounts in EU and its about same level.

But i found EU pvp more enjoyable due to less toxicity and better team communication than NA (ofc there are toxic players in EU but felt like more less than NA)

I dont understand the people who says EU > NA. I mean there are good players in both regions.

Dominik.5162:

Reaper Alim.4176:

However look at real PvP games like DoTA, LoL, Smite, CS:GO, and such. EU players normally stand no chance against their NA and Asian overlords. Hence why NA and Asians players hate EU and Russian players so much in these games when they are on their teams.

Dude, in what universe do you live in?

CS:GO: The NA players are an actual joke. The only Team actually competing with the far superior EU Teams is SK Gaming, which aren’t even NA, they only play in that league, they are Brazillians.

SC2: NA has an even worse reputation, NA players who win their qualifiers for tournaments usually lose to players who lost their 1st or 2nd round in the qualifiers, so there is that.
Not to mention that you can litterally become NA Grandmaster if you are ~diamond in EU. There is a huge gap in skill between EU and NA and it is looking real bad for NA.

so yeah…NA is basically always 3rd when you compare NA to EU and the Asians

I dont know about NA in CS:GO or w/e

but for an Asian country, games like mmorpg , dota2 , CS:GO are hardly played and never were popular games.

if it becomes popular and more people get used to play Asians will probably dominate them too just like League of Legends , Starcraft 1 and 2 , Overwatch are the good exmaple.

There are so many great players in every games in all EU NA or ASIAN countries.

" EU > All " comment is invalid.

EU players do not have superior skill to NA players, judging QUEUES (where rating can vary over 500 points between team members) is a very stupid endeavor. Especially when that problem is compounded by an even greater disparity between the populations of both servers.

EU has MANY more players than NA does, THAT is why Gold on NA is top 250. Not because the top 250 on EU is better than NA…..

EU has way more good players (and any players for that matter) than NA so if you have high mmr in NA you’re going to have terrible games. otherwise it doesn’t really matter. so yeah high mmr NA is basically a clown fiesta

From all the games i’ve watched over the years EU usually has the edge, not because of pure skill but because populations are higher and it’s easy for teams to find good scriming partners. People tend to underestimate how important that is. NA has skilled players but in a lot of games teams become stagnant without having a strong opponent to practice with.

I guess i’m talking more about e-sports but the same works for any ranked matchmaking system.

NA does not have any competitive scene, the casual pvp mood is usually “just get there to kill someone” and they don’t care about wins or teamplay much, that’s why “clownfiesta” – “fun” builds, 0 map awareness etc etc.

That goes to almost any competitive game btw, not only gw2.

Also totally in not offensive way, said things are about majority of the players, but still some do good; and playing brainlessly and relaxed is not a bad thing, everyone enjoy their way of playing, that’s the whole point of gaming after all.

Dominik.5162:

so yeah…NA is basically always 3rd when you compare NA to EU and the Asians

Bruh. EG is why NA Doto is best doto. No cares about your SC2 and CS:GO scene (jk csgo ftw). Mah boi RTZ is a legend. He’s gonna win a Tea Eye this year. I can’t say for gw2 but regardless of who’s better there will always be bad players for both sides. Chances of meeting people that are decent rises as you climb up the ladder. I wouldnt compare things in terms of regions cause both regional servers are diverse cause every1 around the world has to pick 1 of these 2 regions to play on. Regions don’t determine quality of matches at least in gw2.

Being from NA myself, I can vouch that the quality of games on EU are way more pleasant. My 2 days on EU this seasonwas more enjoyable than my whole season on NA. The player base is more consistent and people know what they’re doing. Each region has talent, it’s just the resources into both has a huge gap. Thus why EU has a more stable community than NA.

All I can say is EU has a higher pvp population which by itself leads to better match quality.

Les.4872:

Dominik.5162:

so yeah…NA is basically always 3rd when you compare NA to EU and the Asians

Bruh. EG is why NA Doto is best doto. No cares about your SC2 and CS:GO scene (jk csgo ftw). Mah boi RTZ is a legend. He’s gonna win a Tea Eye this year. I can’t say for gw2 but regardless of who’s better there will always be bad players for both sides. Chances of meeting people that are decent rises as you climb up the ladder. I wouldnt compare things in terms of regions cause both regional servers are diverse cause every1 around the world has to pick 1 of these 2 regions to play on. Regions don’t determine quality of matches at least in gw2.

RTZ finally achieving his dream of being black?

A year or 2 ago I would have said NA and EU were pretty close in terms of the average player, i personally would probably have been a tad biased because Im a mesmer main and well…. You know….
But before taking a break this season I spent some time on an EU account for the first time in awhile…. My Eu account was bought and made like 3 years ago I dunno… its been there for awhile. I had around a friendslist of around 50 people that were pvpers all of them were still active in PVP. Now my NA account has a friendslist that passed up 200 people a long time ago.(not people I followed confirmed friends I played with daily) over half of them being decent PVPers I was lucky on a good day to see it break 15 people online. Now of course this is a small sample size and both regions have seen a huge flux of top players jumping ship but I feel the average player who played for the enjoyment of PVP in its self stayed longer in EU giving more players who have a general understanding of the gamemode.
While the lower tier players were a similar mechanical skill level I noticed a lot more flexibility in the few dozen or so games I played over there…..That and a lot less bronze players insisting they were Legend tier gods who were just there because their team mates sucked. There were of course the people who insisted on staying thief when we had 3 of them and the general pain but there felt to be a higher count of “team players” in EU as well as a healthier player pool.
And for those who recognize my username from the last few seasons and are wondering how a degenerate troll like me has a friends list of over 200 people…. I wasn’t always like this…

Well my mom plays on NA and my dad is a hardcore EU tryhard and I dunno… my mom is like top 10 and my dad is top 25. They still really love each other and I’m not sure but lately they’re fighting because when they duel my dad thinks my mom’s NA side is bringing out his EU esports epithellium to a supoptimal standard compared to her sister, who likes to casually PvE sometimes cuz shes like that, you know? So… i’m not sure. I think they’ll be fine, you know? We’ll be fine. Thanks.

I love you.