It has been very frustrating in dealing with Elelmentist Outrageous Aoe damage in Spvp. I do know that Arenanet had mention adjusting Aoe damage but the only class which cause most concerns is the Elementist class.
Not only this class excels in very high D/D damage, high escape abilities and very high mobility yet somehow their Aoe has exceeded way out Arenenet charts.
Many players including myself had voiced our concerns and frustrations in the past months yet nothing been done about it.
I encourage Arenanet to address this issue a.s.a.p.
The community is already dealing with thief class, let us not allow this class be an additional burden; we don’t want to deal with a Thief 2.0 class.
problem with ele and AOE is that ele as a profession is too dependent on AOEs, he almost dont have single target dmg skills with at least solid dmg, well except maybe 2 or 3 air skills, which have solid single target dmg (not sure if count #1 scepter as single after last buff), so nerf AOEs and you will completely ruin ele…
PS: thats the reason why almost any profession can outdmg ele in a single target dmg
It’s like saying “Shatters need to be adressed a.s.a.p.” with no argument as basis.
Just fyi, if this damage was nerfed, how are we supposed to handle all the AI support classes like ranger, mesmer and pet necros, which bring PvE into the PvP arena? This comes from assuming you run one of these classes and got stomped, or you got targeted by multiple classes and their AOEs.
If it was the latter, you would have died anyway…
One last note: what do you consider a strong AOE? I doubt anyone here can make an Ele AOEing for more than 4k without making a glass cannon build, which compared to 9k backstabs, 8k heartseekers and 4k shatters seems perfectly balanced in my opinion…
Zwim Elementalist
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The Dragoon Brotherhood
The game has way too many aoe skills even auto attacks.
Sign… Another post QQ again. At this point, i would not even bother to repost my 2 pages long explain why Eles is not Op as people think. I would even dare to say that even AoE dams has been nerf to the ground, people will still QQ just because it is…AoE,it hit many targets at once, not cool. Anet, pls do us, the community that understand how the game works a favour, remove all AoE skill and replace them all with single target skill. So we don’t have to hear so many unreasonable QQ. The less QQ, the better.
Cheer
Kaane Moka – Champion Magus. Loola Illuma – Champion Genius.
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The only thing I believe needs addressing, are the cleanses and ridiculous healing capability. It is virtually impossible to kill an skilled D/D Elementalist using conditions. No class should ever have the amount of strong AoE support options Elementalist has.
Stealth, I find it funny how every single complaint you’ve ever seen on Elementalist or Thief you consider QQ. I honestly don’t even care about your opinion anymore since you literally never even bother to understand the reason behind the complainers. I know high ranking tournament players that absolutely despise Elementalists with every fiber of their being for how strong they are. Infact, I know several that actually re-rolled to Ele for viability.
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“Ele damage is too high, nerf please.” <- this is your argument. And what is that about thieves? the only class in a worse state than thieves is warrior… What happened? did you get instagibed by a glass like ele with arcane utilities, got mad and proceeded to complain on the forums?
The only thing I believe needs addressing, are the cleanses and ridiculous healing capability. It is virtually impossible to kill an skilled D/D Elementalist using conditions. No class should ever have the amount of strong AoE support options Elementalist has.
You did know it is hard to defeat a Skilled Eles. I want to emphasise the word “Skill” here. Skill player deserved the win and because you are not as Skill as them, learn to play better, train yourself harder.Why punish skill player for all their hard work???It is like to say “It is impossible to defeat a Skilled Boxing player. Please chop off his hand so I can win” ….o-0!!!
Kaane Moka – Champion Magus. Loola Illuma – Champion Genius.
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It’s like saying “Shatters need to be adressed a.s.a.p.” with no argument as basis.
One last note: what do you consider a strong AOE? I doubt anyone here can make an Ele AOEing for more than 4k without making a glass cannon build, which compared to 9k backstabs, 8k heartseekers and 4k shatters seems perfectly balanced in my opinion…
^dis pretty much depending on the skill i can easily make it hit for more than 4K though but thats not the point.,.
Are we like talking about staff eles? because lol?
Ele dps output is already a joke – and most of the "aoe"s you can simply walk out because they cast forever/have 3 hour animations. Especially if you ever get hit by churning earth EVER you`re just bad mkay.
Also glasscannon ele brings no poison and dies instantly?!
Ele is the same as guardian imo in the regard that their defensive builds outshine their offensive builds by at least 5 stars
You underestimate my skill, Stealth. You think anyone that loses to an Elementalist is less skillful than the Elementalist? I can’t believe you’re serious. Have you ever once played high level at any game in your life? Do you know what Matchup charts are?
Mortal Kombat 9: Arguably one of the best players in the world mained Shang Tsung and lost to a Cyrax simply because the Cyrax had 100% damage combos with no meter required. Shang Tsung only has access to 50% combos 3 meter without Soul Stealing.
Bottom line: the player lost a 7-3 matchup in favor of the Cyrax. Those odds are incredibly hard to win with. Just because of his character.
Skill is always involved, but Elementalist has an inherent edge over it’s opposing classes.
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The only thing I believe needs addressing, are the cleanses and ridiculous healing capability. It is virtually impossible to kill an skilled D/D Elementalist using conditions. No class should ever have the amount of strong AoE support options Elementalist has.
Stealth, I find it funny how every single complaint you’ve ever seen on Elementalist or Thief you consider QQ. I honestly don’t even care about your opinion anymore since you literally never even bother to understand the reason behind the complainers. I know high ranking tournament players that absolutely despise Elementalists with every fiber of their being for how strong they are. Infact, I know several that actually re-rolled to Ele for viability.
I find it funny because all the QQ you post about Eles or Thief coming from your lack of knowledge about the class? “Shadow refugee is Op” Lol what? “Else can outlive than any professional out there even trained as Berzerker” Double LoL? Sounds familiar? At this point, I honestly don’t care what your reason is because you never try to learn the class. All you do is nerf this, nerf that. And please don’t speak of high ranking tournament, I also know some people that ask me not to play Eles but play Guard or Ranger instead for Bunker. Your point.
Kaane Moka – Champion Magus. Loola Illuma – Champion Genius.
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Ele is the same as guardian imo in the regard that their defensive builds outshine their offensive builds by at least 5 stars
this… OP bunker cantrip build, a bit OP semibunker cantrip build and everything else is average at best, usually even worse when talking about offensive builds…
AoE isn’t too strong, you just have bad positioning….
In GW1, AoE was much stronger, there were more Players in a Team and more situations in which you HAD to ball up.
In GW2, the only situation where you need to ball up is when hardrezzing someone.
Try this: If you see sm1 dealing lots of AoE, don’t stand close to your allies – it really does work wonders!
I sometimes play a glass-cannon Fire-Staff-Ele and it’s ridiculous how bad many players are – I often deal 3x the amount of DMG I should be able to, just because of bad positioning.
You underestimate my skill, Stealth. You think anyone that loses to an Elementalist is less skillful than the Elementalist? I can’t believe you’re serious. Have you ever once played high level at any game in your life? Do you know what Matchup charts are?
Mortal Kombat 9: Arguably one of the best players in the world mained Shang Tsung and lost to a Cyrax simply because the Cyrax had 100% damage combos with no meter required. Shang Tsung only has access to 50% combos 3 meter without Soul Stealing.
Bottom line: the player lost a 7-3 matchup in favor of the Cyrax. Those odds are incredibly hard to win with. Just because of his character.
Skill is always involved, but Elementalist has an inherent edge over it’s opposing classes.
I never underestimate anyone skill, please do not misunderstood me. But find out that most of QQer either with Thief or Eles, how may do you think they actually play the class? What else can you understand the class by not playing it yourself? Watching other player will not do you any good. But only a few of them actually listen and understand while other just keep QQing. And please we are talking about Guild war 2, an MmORPG PC game here,please do not use Mortal Kombat here as a gauge today you are skilfully. I don’t care if you are even the world champion in Mortal Kombat, all I care is how skill you are in Gw only and only. thank you
Kaane Moka – Champion Magus. Loola Illuma – Champion Genius.
Proud player of : team [uA] – team [TGI]. Australia base, now recruiting.
You underestimate my skill, Stealth. You think anyone that loses to an Elementalist is less skillful than the Elementalist? I can’t believe you’re serious. Have you ever once played high level at any game in your life? Do you know what Matchup charts are?
Mortal Kombat 9: Arguably one of the best players in the world mained Shang Tsung and lost to a Cyrax simply because the Cyrax had 100% damage combos with no meter required. Shang Tsung only has access to 50% combos 3 meter without Soul Stealing.
Bottom line: the player lost a 7-3 matchup in favor of the Cyrax. Those odds are incredibly hard to win with. Just because of his character.
Skill is always involved, but Elementalist has an inherent edge over it’s opposing classes.
I never underestimate anyone skill, please do not misunderstood me. But find out that most of QQer either with Thief or Eles, how may do you think they actually play the class? What else can you understand the class by not playing it yourself? Watching other player will not do you any good. But only a few of them actually listen and understand while other just keep QQing. And please we are talking about Guild war 2, an MmORPG PC game here,please do not use Mortal Kombat here as a gauge today you are skilfully. I don’t care if you are even the world champion in Mortal Kombat, all I care is how skill you are in Gw only and only. thank you
I wasn’t using MK9 to gauge my skill… do you understand context… at all? I was explaining how MATCHUPS WORK
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You underestimate my skill, Stealth. You think anyone that loses to an Elementalist is less skillful than the Elementalist? I can’t believe you’re serious. Have you ever once played high level at any game in your life? Do you know what Matchup charts are?
Mortal Kombat 9: Arguably one of the best players in the world mained Shang Tsung and lost to a Cyrax simply because the Cyrax had 100% damage combos with no meter required. Shang Tsung only has access to 50% combos 3 meter without Soul Stealing.
Bottom line: the player lost a 7-3 matchup in favor of the Cyrax. Those odds are incredibly hard to win with. Just because of his character.
Skill is always involved, but Elementalist has an inherent edge over it’s opposing classes.
I never underestimate anyone skill, please do not misunderstood me. But find out that most of QQer either with Thief or Eles, how may do you think they actually play the class? What else can you understand the class by not playing it yourself? Watching other player will not do you any good. But only a few of them actually listen and understand while other just keep QQing. And please we are talking about Guild war 2, an MmORPG PC game here,please do not use Mortal Kombat here as a gauge today you are skilfully. I don’t care if you are even the world champion in Mortal Kombat, all I care is how skill you are in Gw only and only. thank you
I wasn’t using MK9 to gauge my skill… do you understand context… at all? I was explaining how MATCHUPS WORK
I do understand the context. What I don’t understand is why you use an offline fighting game as an example of how class could be difference despite skill. Please do not compare MMORPG and Offline game, they are not on the same league.
Kaane Moka – Champion Magus. Loola Illuma – Champion Genius.
Proud player of : team [uA] – team [TGI]. Australia base, now recruiting.
Matchups exists in all class based games. This is a class based games. Learn the matchups. Builds counter other builds.
In this game, Elementalist is virtually immune to conditions, and has such incredibly strong support I wonder why there are even Guardians anymore. A Guardian and a Elementalist together are virtually invincible from any amount of conditions. They need a nerf to the Valkyrie builds, a nerf to the Cantrips. That’s all I care about. They can buff whatever else they want as long as it doesn’t reach the levels of nonsense they currently have.
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Matchups exists in all class based games. This is a class based games. Learn the matchups. Builds counter other builds.
In this game, Elementalist is virtually immune to conditions, and has such incredibly strong support I wonder why there are even Guardians anymore. A Guardian and a Elementalist together are virtually invincible from any amount of conditions. They need a nerf to the Valkyrie builds, a nerf to the Cantrips. That’s all I care about. They can buff whatever else they want as long as it doesn’t reach the levels of nonsense they currently have.
I doubt it. Let not talk about they buff the trait or utilities that are already useless atm. They make no thing better, just worse. How about buff dams. Nerf their survival , buff their dams so they can end the fight quickly and not endure long fight? Sound logic? Right now, people already complain about Eles being Bursty as Hell, Buff more Dams, never ending QQer…
Kaane Moka – Champion Magus. Loola Illuma – Champion Genius.
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just a correction, elementalists are virtually immune to small amount of conditions, they have quite a lot of removers due to cantrips with water traits, but they all have LOOOONG cooldown, if you can spam enough conditions (and necro, engi or even a trap ranger can), ele cant remove them all and if one of them is poison, they die quite quickly then
just a correction, elementalists are virtually immune to small amount of conditions, they have quite a lot of removers due to cantrips with water traits, but they all have LOOOONG cooldown, if you can spam enough conditions (and necro, engi or even a trap ranger can), ele cant remove them all and if one of them is poison, they die quite quickly then
Irrelevant. The Necromancer struggles to acquire 14 stacks of bleed and possibly some poison/chill. The Necromancer is made to focus on quality, not quantity, which apparently doesn’t work at all against a semi-competent Elementalist. It is literally impossible for me to beat an Ele 1v1 on any of my condition builds. They outlast my conditions and end up killing me with burn or raw DPS. The strongest burst a Necromancer can achieve through conditions is with corrupt boon. However the Elementalist doesn’t rely on boons like a Guardian would, so corrupting them is pointless as they can easily replace them. (Also, if you think anything at or below 25 seconds is long for condition removal, think again.)
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just a correction, elementalists are virtually immune to small amount of conditions, they have quite a lot of removers due to cantrips with water traits, but they all have LOOOONG cooldown, if you can spam enough conditions (and necro, engi or even a trap ranger can), ele cant remove them all and if one of them is poison, they die quite quickly then
Irrelevant. The Necromancer struggles to acquire 14 stacks of bleed and possibly some poison/chill. The Necromancer is made to focus on quality, not quantity, which apparently doesn’t work at all against a semi-competent Elementalist. It is literally impossible for me to beat an Ele 1v1 on any of my condition builds. They outlast my conditions and end up killing me with burn or raw DPS.
You are trying to stack them too fast… try to wait for when they use their best cond removals and then blast them with conditions. Also Chill is your best friend and Necro has tons of access to that so…
Zwim Elementalist
Consigliere
The Dragoon Brotherhood
However the Elementalist doesn’t rely on boons like a Guardian would, so corrupting them is pointless as they can easily replace them.
im not sure if troll or just… something else… boons are key for elementalists build which is considered most used and OP atm…
anyway, you are probably worse with necro then eles you met, because i have serious problems with necros usually, because i cant cure their conditions fast enough, i just die or run away sometimes right after second wave of conditions… or you are doing something wrong
PS: im usually cycling in 80-90% in tPVP leaderboard while not playing with stable team and usually even not in team of 5, so im not bad
Are you implying that a condition Necromancer can win a war of attrition with an Elementalist? I have a build that is LITERALLY nothing but chills, poison, and fear bursting. Didn’t work. At all.
Literally the only way a Necro can kill a competent Ele is with an extremely helpful team, the Ele makes way too many mistakes, or the Necro is using a strong burst build. That’s it.
As for Maxi, you are probably a worse Ele than the Necros you met, because every Necromancer I’ve talked to that use conditions have a hard as sin time against Elementalists.
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ye thats another possibility or you just dont know any good necro or you/they dont use that convert conditions skill which smash ele or any other boon focused profs to the ash
PS: read the post above, im not the only one who tell you you are doing something wrong…
All professions have too much AoE damage in general across most weapon sets, including auto-attack and lots of utility skills with AoE damage.
Especially ones you can stack on top of each other in quick succession (Necro Wells + Marks for example).
The devs acknowledged several months ago that there was too much AoE damage and in some cases the AoE attacks did better DPS than single target attacks. As in, even against a single target you are still better off spamming AoE, especially persistant AoEs on the floor which make fighting on a point even easier and require less skill/care.
Yet we have still seen nothing to tone it down, we can only hope the PvP – PvE skill split this month will be the start.
However the Elementalist doesn’t rely on boons like a Guardian would, so corrupting them is pointless as they can easily replace them.
And there all your credibility went out the window. Boons are absolutely VITAL for an elementalist. If you take away our might and fury these condition cleansing bunker builds will hit you like a wet noodle. Any boon you remove will reduce damage done, as we get a 2% dmg boost per unique boon we have. Strip away our boons and we are powerless to attack and will have issues on defence.
The devs acknowledged several months ago that there was too much AoE damage and in some cases the AoE attacks did better DPS than single target attacks. As in, even against a single target you are still better off spamming AoE, especially persistant AoEs on the floor which make fighting on a point even easier and require less skill/care.
Yet we have still seen nothing to tone it down, we can only hope the PvP – PvE skill split this month will be the start
The problem with this is that some classes (like ele) have literally 90% aoe skills. For example D/D has 2/20 skill that only affects 1 target: Earth #1 (I think this can only affect 1, not 100% sure) and #3 (root + charge). That’s 18 AOE skills (1 is an aoe heal and 2 are (traited aoe) auras, rest are damaging/CC). How are you going to nerf aoe and keep D/D (or any of the other ele weapon sets since they have about the same ratio of ST/AOE skills) in any way viable in pve or pvp? I’m all ears.
