Guild Wars 2

Elementalist was the only class that wasn’t played in the MLG. This makes me sad. I guess ele’s really are in a good place: heaven. Because they’re dead. Get it?

No, I dont get it. Please explain.

I don- t get it either mind to explain it better ? Probably your post is too hard for mmorpg folks exactly like gw2 pvp.

Shame really.. Good elementalists are the most entertaining class to watch IMO.

When they’re not getting spammed into oblivion.

Staff ele op.

Don’t worry guys, conjured weapons are getting buffed next patch. Viability INC.

dreztina.4820:

Don’t worry guys, conjured weapons are getting buffed next patch. Viability INC.

I’ve been wanting to see earth shield used at high levels since 2012..

Not even kidding

i have seen some very good eles using focus to good extents at least in 1v1, too bad that spec looses a lot of roaming potential.

Do I actually have to watch MLG to find out what comps were used or is there a handy repository somewhere for me to look through ?

Phaeton.9582:

dreztina.4820:

Don’t worry guys, conjured weapons are getting buffed next patch. Viability INC.

I’ve been wanting to see earth shield used at high levels since 2012..

Not even kidding

I actually experimented with earth shield for a while. It has potential since it is a fairly strong kit, especially after the buffs, but I ran into the usual ele problem of not being able to spare a utility slot. It may be good enough post patch to finally warrant use, though. Another thing that made me stop using it was the bug with hydromancy killing conjures, but I’m pretty sure that was fixed.

Phaeton.9582:

dreztina.4820:

Don’t worry guys, conjured weapons are getting buffed next patch. Viability INC.

I’ve been wanting to see earth shield used at high levels since 2012..

Not even kidding

Frost bow is my conjure of choice.
Dat deep freeze.

Conjured Ice Bow is amazing.

Do not despair fellow elementalist, complete inviability is nothing alittle support to the conjure weapons can fix!

Anet, are you serious? if you think it is the lack of support in the conjure weapons that makes ele unusable in tournament high level then just delete the whole proffession from spvp… it is beyond your abilities to fix..

its k, buff to conjured bow will be remove deep freeze and give us heal arrow, needs more support skillz.

anet knows what we need

o and nerf staff ele again too, still OP

just wait for other classes to be nerfed, ele’s certainly don’t need buffs… not if we want the game to go anywhere. everything needs nerfs

Reevz.2617:

just wait for other classes to be nerfed, ele’s certainly don’t need buffs… not if we want the game to go anywhere. everything needs nerfs

I don’t know about you, but waiting for them to nerf every other class for one class to be decent doesn’t sound like good design policy.

While there are many problems with the ele class at the moment, I feel that one of its biggest flaws is the RtL over-nerf. I understand that it was OP when it previously had a 15 sec cd, but the 40 second cooldown if you don’t hit anything is too much. Compared to mobility skills of other classes (thief, warrior gs, ranger swoop), the cooldowns are much much lower, and DO NOT have the requirement to hit anything as RtL does. RtL is easily avoidable, and goes on the 40 s cooldown if it is blocked, dodged, or stops short of your target. The on-hit requirement of RtL is too punishing, whereas other classes can spam their mobility skills as they please. This long cooldown makes ele less able to roam from point to point in spvp as compared to other classes. As a low HP cloth armor class, you would expect ele mobility to be better than it is.

The game mode is about free capping and bunkering while waiting for superior numbers.
Ele can neither bunker nor is it a fast roamer in relation to other classes = left out in high level play.
Nothing ANet can do about that w/o overhauling the whole class or adding more game modes that don’t focus on the 2 aspects mentioned above.

Ryld.1340:

Reevz.2617:

just wait for other classes to be nerfed, ele’s certainly don’t need buffs… not if we want the game to go anywhere. everything needs nerfs

I don’t know about you, but waiting for them to nerf every other class for one class to be decent doesn’t sound like good design policy.

large part of the problem w/ game right now is everything is too powerdul / lack of counterplay ele is no exception

Man this is so weird, I came back to gw2 just like 2 days ago, and when I left Eles where like completely OP and dominating SPVP, some teams even ran three of them.

This is just sad, if this doesn’t scream something to ANET, I don’t know what will.

daydream.2938:

Man this is so weird, I came back to gw2 just like 2 days ago, and when I left Eles where like completely OP and dominating SPVP, some teams even ran three of them.

sledgehammer nerfs over 5 successive patches + huge buffs to other classes over the same period dropped them from best to worst. D/D in particular has pretty much disappeared.

Do not let this thread disappear. I am sick and tired of getting pooped on by every single class. Doesn’t matter the profession, so long as they are mediocre skill level they can stomp eles. What is the point of playing ele when they have the lowest armor, lowest health and absolutely nothing to make up for that?
I can literally play any other class and stomp people equal to or above my skill level but as soon as I play ele I can barely survive one encounter.
Oh yeah, conjure weapons are gettign a buff I forgot; viable eles inc (what a joke).

Oh that’s just because of the new elementalist OP skill: perma invisibility (no one can see you, even the spectators)

MyPuppy.8970:

Oh that’s just because of the new elementalist OP skill: perma invisibility (no one can see you, even the spectators)

LOL haha this is epic.

s/d fresh air ele is still the best burst in the game. When thieves are nerfed you will start to see lazor burst eles.

Or any sustained dmg nerf. Possible incoming auto attack nerfs and reduction in condis should be nice for the s/d ele as well.

MyPuppy.8970:

Oh that’s just because of the new elementalist OP skill: perma invisibility (no one can see you, even the spectators)

You sir has made laugh like an idiot for a solid minute!! +1 to you

There is a clear problem with Ele’s in PvP…any time a class is abandoned by the player base is a sure sign that the class has a big problem.

Don’t worry you guys will be OP as kitten again once they nerf warrs, s/d thiefs and necros.
Ele does not need buffs. Trust me once its back to burst meta every team will run double ele again

apt.9184:

Don’t worry you guys will be OP as kitten again once they nerf warrs, s/d thiefs and necros.
Ele does not need buffs. Trust me once its back to burst meta every team will run double ele again

I’ll believe this when it happens. Hopefully it won’t be the type of “nerfs” spirit rangers got who were still very well represented at MLG.

I think, based on the pastebin stuff, that Eles are gonna be more interesting with the new stuff coming in.

Staff has always been good in WvW, but I think you’re gonna be able to put a staff Ele as your team support with the new patch, if they know what they’re doing. The healing output is gonna be huge with the base heal and the water blasts/leaps.

Conjures might have an Engi type feel to the class, like going Fiery Greatsword/Axe with Lightning Flash and Mist Form. The might from cantrips and the axe would be pretty sick, since you have blast finishers from the axe, arcane wave, and your S/D or D/D. Put 15 to 20 stacks of might on someone while attacking and that’s always gonna hurt.

We’ll see though.

jmatb.6307:

I think, based on the pastebin stuff, that Eles are gonna be more interesting with the new stuff coming in.

Staff has always been good in WvW, but I think you’re gonna be able to put a staff Ele as your team support with the new patch, if they know what they’re doing. The healing output is gonna be huge with the base heal and the water blasts/leaps.

Conjures might have an Engi type feel to the class, like going Fiery Greatsword/Axe with Lightning Flash and Mist Form. The might from cantrips and the axe would be pretty sick, since you have blast finishers from the axe, arcane wave, and your S/D or D/D. Put 15 to 20 stacks of might on someone while attacking and that’s always gonna hurt.

We’ll see though.

Healing Output is not going to be changed at all. I cannot stress enough how a waterblast ratio increase is NOTHING. Literally. NOTHING. It has to heal around the caster or something in order to be useful. In fact, some of our support (Evasive Arcana and Elemental Attunement) ranges are getting nerfed. Conjure Earth Shield is getting a rather large buff. It’s the only Conjure that I can see myself using as Staff. Unsteady Ground buff is really nice, but I don’t think it’s going to be enough. Staff damage is still way too unreliable.

I do remember another thread where someone suggested that Marks for Necro have a 1/4th second activation time, and all the Necros said no because that would kill Staff and make it too easy to dodge everything. That’s how Ele staff feels. Your main damage outputs are Lava Font (which doesn’t even deal damage right when you place it, why?), Ice Spike, and Eruption. Those are so incredibly easy to dodge.

Also, Gust is still terrible.

I think the problem is all the conditions in the meta. Ele’s are the worst class when it comes to dealing with condis. I think if you change the condi meta ele’s will be very strong because they 1v1 great, sustain and do good burst

Demonts.4593:

I think the problem is all the conditions in the meta. Ele’s are the worst class when it comes to dealing with condis. I think if you change the condi meta ele’s will be very strong because they 1v1 great, sustain and do good burst

I think you mean they are the worst class when it comes to everything else.

Demonts.4593:

I think the problem is all the conditions in the meta. Ele’s are the worst class when it comes to dealing with condis. I think if you change the condi meta ele’s will be very strong because they 1v1 great, sustain and do good burst

I dont know if you havent catch up yet but the meta is already changing.
There is no condi meta anymore.Now we got multiple warriors ,s.d thieves,guards and a necro.All teams resort to power again and limit themselves to one necro and ranger.
Its just not ele they go to when they want power.And why?It dies in a burst or cc/fear chain in zerkers,d/d is the epitome of uselessness and one of the weakest melee sets in the game (hyperbole i know but it really cant much a warrior or s/d thief 1vs1 at all :P) and valks ele cant even do enough damage with auto attacks to prevent warriors passive regen.Only deccent weaponset is s/f and has zero mobility and i still try to find valid reasons why bring it in a serious tourney.And as it seems the pros share my concerns about being worth it too as its been shown in mlg tourn
Come on anet.START NERFING PLS!!

jmatb.6307:

Conjures might have an Engi type feel to the class, like going Fiery Greatsword/Axe with Lightning Flash and Mist Form. The might from cantrips and the axe would be pretty sick, since you have blast finishers from the axe, arcane wave, and your S/D or D/D. Put 15 to 20 stacks of might on someone while attacking and that’s always gonna hurt.

This is facepalm.

It’s people like this that Ele has been nerfed to oblivion. You don’t know what you are talking about. First sentence, you talked about Lightning and Mist Form; then the next sentence say you use Arcane Wave. And you have the extra slot to have other conjure weapons. A character only has 3 utilities slots.

People love to theorycraft about how powerful Ele is. The fact is, many of their ideas are mutual exclusive:

Lets take a look:
- Ele can have massive healing power. OMG 3 heals and get full max HP!
- Ele can have great burst. OMG when he unloads everything my full Death Shroud drops!
- Ele can have great sustain. OMG he can stack might like crazy, easily 25 stacks with Fire Axe and Arcane Wave!
- Ele can have great mobility. OMG he can run away when he has Lightning Flash, Mist Form, FGS and RTL.
- Ele can have great support. OMG he cleans groups conditions like crazy with Staff water field, and aura share too!
- Ele can crowd control. OMG look at the way he drops static and stun the whole crowd in WvW. Then he uses Earthquake, it’s so OP.

The reality is:
- Ele can have massive healing power, but only if he is wearing healing gears, and spec 30 into Water, and then need another 30 points in Arcana to reduce the Water Attunement time for the heal. Mutual exclusive with damage, conjure, no Air cooldown reduction for RTL, no burst.
- Ele can have great burst. but only when spec to Air and Fire. Mutual exclusive with healing, support, crowd control, sustain, conjure.
- Ele can have great sustain, but rarely applicable in PvP. Mutual exclusive with survivability. Try to do the full Fire Axe combo to get mights in PvP. It takes 8 seconds. One stun, and you’re dead. You don’t have time for those gimmicks in tournaments. That’s why it’s great on paper.

Just stop theorycrafting about Ele if you don’t know the class. It hurts.

TL;DR: Yes, Ele is the jack of all trades. He can do EVERYTHING. Yah, but at one time he can only do one thing. Ele needs to sacrifice tons of other things to be good at one task.

It’s all opportunity costs.

You`re all forgetting the tournie that anet had, where ten kids played for $10k.
you know, the one where we had to sit in this broken meta for months awaiting for the tournie to be over, the one at PAX ;p

There was an ele player in that match.

True, he had to play on a warrior because of the idiotic whack-a-mole nerfs ele have had for months on end, but at least was an ele player there, in spirit….. ;p

Your thread title has a typo.

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GW2: Not MLG worthy

Fixed