Guild Wars 2

Hey there,
I’ve been sort of experimenting with builds on my elementalist and was wondering what the current meta was?

Thanks

For what it’s worth, take a look at this: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Best-PVP-Class-1-January-2014/first

To answer your question, it’s the complete OPPOSITE of “elementalist meta” right now. Ele is the last class anyone considers bringing to SPvP since their weaknesses vastly out-weigh their strengths when compared to any of the 7 other classes.

Don’t let that stop you from experimenting though, if you genuinely enjoy how the class plays then keep playing it. ANet wants to remove the class completely from SPvP but we need people like you to stay loyal to it

Wintel.4873:

For what it’s worth, take a look at this: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Best-PVP-Class-1-January-2014/first

To answer your question, it’s the complete OPPOSITE of “elementalist meta” right now. Ele is the last class anyone considers bringing to SPvP since their weaknesses vastly out-weigh their strengths when compared to any of the 7 other classes.

Don’t let that stop you from experimenting though, if you genuinely enjoy how the class plays then keep playing it. ANet wants to remove the class completely from SPvP but we need people like you to stay loyal to it

Why does anet want ele to be removed from spvp? Are they kidding me?

Quincy.2198:

Why does anet want ele to be removed from spvp? Are they kidding me?

Alright it was a cynical joke, it’s hard to stay positive when ArenaNet have kept Ele’s at the bottom of the food chain for so long now while other classes/builds got buffed through the roof.

Their latest and most extensive attempt at “buffing” Ele’s (Dec 10 patch) made a lot of Ele players deeply concerned that ANet have absolutely no clue what to do with the class. The patch broke many builds and utterly failed to address ANY of the core issues with the class, and that’s not even mentioning Diamond Skin.

Obviously they don’t want the class eliminated from SPvP, but they are making it extremely difficult for Ele players to not just re-roll something else like Engineer or Mesmer and have some proper fun in SPvP for once.

Wintel.4873:

Quincy.2198:

Why does anet want ele to be removed from spvp? Are they kidding me?

Alright it was a cynical joke, it’s hard to stay positive when ArenaNet have kept Ele’s at the bottom of the food chain for so long now while other classes/builds got buffed through the roof.

Their latest and most extensive attempt at “buffing” Ele’s (Dec 10 patch) made a lot of Ele players deeply concerned that ANet have absolutely no clue what to do with the class. The patch broke many builds and utterly failed to address ANY of the core issues with the class, and that’s not even mentioning Diamond Skin.

Obviously they don’t want the class eliminated from SPvP, but they are making it extremely difficult for Ele players to not just re-roll something else like Engineer or Mesmer and have some proper fun in SPvP for once.

I see.. Well, with Anet u never know what is gonna happen.. To be honest.

Elementalist meta at the moment?

Don’t play one in sPvP until Anet sorts the class out…

SomeoneElse.3685:

Hey there,
I’ve been sort of experimenting with builds on my elementalist and was wondering what the current meta was?

Thanks

Go easy mode (Aka meta, esphatz or whatever you wanna call it)..reroll warrior and drop ele already.

/thread

okay, just want to jump right in and ask a question?

WHEN EXACTLY did ele start being weak? I main necromancer, guardian and warrior in PvP and ele is the class I almost never played since 2012 (the only few times I played a healer in Dec. 2012). What changed that made the once-utterly-OP D/D build disappear? Staff? S/D?

Ferik.3127:

WHEN EXACTLY did ele start being weak?

when ele got nerfs by nerfs, every patch anet brake his mechanic, nerf traits/skills/mobility. over a year anet just nerfing ele, breaking his last viable builds.

anet are like a car with broken breaks, they don’t know how to stop nerfing ele, or maybe they are just don’t care about ele, they just want to nerf it to the ground and don’t care about ele’s promblems. no ele – no problem.

every time i am going to the mists i type in chat something like that “ele lf team” but delete it without sending, cuz no one wants ele in their team.

and other classes got buffs and buffs and buffs, while ele got only nerfs

last time, at 10th december, I was waiting this patch with hope that something change, but what I got? 2 broken builds, arcana and water nerf, fire still useless, less diversity for builds.

anet just don’t care and don’t like ele. i got it, and i sumbit it as is.

sometimes I read other classes. My favorite – engi subforum, because engi has similar mechanic to ele. so what i read? “we are so kewl, we have so many builds, we can play whatever we wants”. I am rly glad about it, maybe I’ll think about to reroll engi.

Not really. Elementalist isn’t weak but not as good as other classes. Some weapon skills are just lame and could be a lot better.

Ferik.3127:

okay, just want to jump right in and ask a question?

WHEN EXACTLY did ele start being weak? I main necromancer, guardian and warrior in PvP and ele is the class I almost never played since 2012 (the only few times I played a healer in Dec. 2012). What changed that made the once-utterly-OP D/D build disappear? Staff? S/D?

- Ride the Lightning CD incresed from 15s to 40s (20s if it hits the target, good luck with all the dodge spam). Also, its range got nerfed from 1550 to 1200
- Regen/Vigor duration nerfed to 6s from 10s on Soothing Disruption
- Fury/Swiftness duration halved when using Shocking Aura with Zephyr’s Boon (this is actually a bugfix, but still)
- Signet of Restoration nerfed and fixed (no longer procs multiple times when using dagger air autoattack or dodge rolling with evasive arcana, for example)
- Blast finishers removed from all Evasive Arcana spells, except the Earth one
- Evasive Arcana Cleansing Wave nerfed by 50% in PvP
- Bountiful Power nerfed to 1%/boon from 2%/boon

All in all, it wouldn’t even be so bad, if other classes, that are currently apex predators, didn’t get buffed like kitten at the same time.
Of course, you could still play the good old standard 0/20/0/20/30 S/D build, as it hasn’t been touched by too many nerfs, but it is kinda outperformed by everything…and melts to condis.

Shar.3402:

Ferik.3127:

okay, just want to jump right in and ask a question?

WHEN EXACTLY did ele start being weak? I main necromancer, guardian and warrior in PvP and ele is the class I almost never played since 2012 (the only few times I played a healer in Dec. 2012). What changed that made the once-utterly-OP D/D build disappear? Staff? S/D?

- Ride the Lightning CD incresed from 15s to 40s (20s if it hits the target, good luck with all the dodge spam). Also, its range got nerfed from 1550 to 1200
- Regen/Vigor duration nerfed to 6s from 10s on Soothing Disruption
- Fury/Swiftness duration halved when using Shocking Aura with Zephyr’s Boon (this is actually a bugfix, but still)
- Signet of Restoration nerfed and fixed (no longer procs multiple times when using dagger air autoattack or dodge rolling with evasive arcana, for example)
- Blast finishers removed from all Evasive Arcana spells, except the Earth one
- Evasive Arcana Cleansing Wave nerfed by 50% in PvP
- Bountiful Power nerfed to 1%/boon from 2%/boon

All in all, it wouldn’t even be so bad, if other classes, that are currently apex predators, didn’t get buffed like kitten at the same time.
Of course, you could still play the good old standard 0/20/0/20/30 S/D build, as it hasn’t been touched by too many nerfs, but it is kinda outperformed by everything…and melts to condis.

Gods….when they say they do not do big shaves…..I gotta wonder
Surprisingly, necromancer’s highly viable and diversified state pretty much compare to the pre-nerf eles. I’d think if we revert exactly all these overboard nerfs ele might just become viable again

Did any of you consider that this thread is not about how the ele fits into the general meta, but about elementalists builds in particular? Jesus…

The current ele meta is to run a fresh air build of this sort: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQJArdhEmKbzxzgjDIjCdg4hF4AcY5ROMD2AA-TkAg0EIpQyhkBJJSWkGFM/A

You can change evasive arcana for elemental surge to increase the likelihood your burst will land. In this case, you would go triple arcane utilities. Another option is 20 points in arcana & 20 water.

You can also play around with dagger builds using Rock solid from the earth traitline to provide stability for revives and stomps.

There is no huge ele meta at the moment. There are very few Eles in top 200 soloq and hardly any in teamq. Maybe 10 at most constantly play in teamq. There is a build for S/F which some run which is fairly decent. Not sure what it is off the top of my head.
Some builds that are decent if you play flawlessly:
30-30-0-0-10 zerker staff – ice bow
0-30-0-10-30 think this is S/D
0-20-20-10-20 can use any weapon
0-0-20-20-30 bunker
0-0-20-30-20 bunker
0-10-10-30-20 bunker
Not much has changed with Ele builds, Diamond skin was a joke trait vs 1 build. other then that they just moved traits around to screw us even more.

Shar.3402:

Ferik.3127:

okay, just want to jump right in and ask a question?

WHEN EXACTLY did ele start being weak? I main necromancer, guardian and warrior in PvP and ele is the class I almost never played since 2012 (the only few times I played a healer in Dec. 2012). What changed that made the once-utterly-OP D/D build disappear? Staff? S/D?

- Ride the Lightning CD incresed from 15s to 40s (20s if it hits the target, good luck with all the dodge spam). Also, its range got nerfed from 1550 to 1200
- Regen/Vigor duration nerfed to 6s from 10s on Soothing Disruption
- Fury/Swiftness duration halved when using Shocking Aura with Zephyr’s Boon (this is actually a bugfix, but still)
- Signet of Restoration nerfed and fixed (no longer procs multiple times when using dagger air autoattack or dodge rolling with evasive arcana, for example)
- Blast finishers removed from all Evasive Arcana spells, except the Earth one
- Evasive Arcana Cleansing Wave nerfed by 50% in PvP
- Bountiful Power nerfed to 1%/boon from 2%/boon

All in all, it wouldn’t even be so bad, if other classes, that are currently apex predators, didn’t get buffed like kitten at the same time.
Of course, you could still play the good old standard 0/20/0/20/30 S/D build, as it hasn’t been touched by too many nerfs, but it is kinda outperformed by everything…and melts to condis.

The RTL nerf was so dumb.

Warrior greatsword Rush (GS #5) is 1,200 range on a 20 second cooldown doesn’t matter if it hits someone or not. Combined with whirlwind (GS #3)1,800 range without target and a total of 30 seconds of cooldown.

Warrior Savage Leap (Sword #2) 600 range and 8 second cooldown. 1,200 distance in 16 seconds with no target.

Ranger Swoop (GS #3) 1,100 range on a 12 second cooldown, again doesn’t matter if it hits a target.

Ranger Hornet String + Monarch’s Leap (Sword #2) 730 range and 8 second cooldown. 1,460 range in 16 seconds. Again doesn’t matter if it hits a target.

Thief heart seeker (dagger #2) 450 leap every 3 initiative (3 seconds) 1,350 range in 9 seconds. Again doesn’t matter if it hits a target.

I could probably go on but you get the point.

Someone actually made a post a couple days ago what they exactly nerfed and what not. I believe the thread was called elementalist and pvp, past and present. The post was very detailed but I can’t find it anywhere. In short, it was a pretty big list.

Elementalists do fine in duels right now but they’re really lackluster in tournament pvp. you’ll do okay in spvp if you’re really good at the class.

Ok, so since I don’t wanna bunker I have to go burst (sort of)? That’s just stupid, I wanna play my good ol’ supporting elementalist who throws a bunch of heals, does area damage and can still survive. Too much to ask Arena Net?!?!?

SomeoneElse.3685:

Ok, so since I don’t wanna bunker I have to go burst (sort of)? That’s just stupid, I wanna play my good ol’ supporting elementalist who throws a bunch of heals, does area damage and can still survive. Too much to ask Arena Net?!?!?

Actually, AoE is ridiculously good if you use staff with 30 (IV/VII/XII) in Fire
As long as you abuse the 1,200 range and enemies cannot reach your position, you can live

Eles are kinda like Necromancer after the Dhummfire patch & before the DS patch——too much damage, and too little defense

Except that Necromancers are survival gods compared to the Ele’s.

So I main ele in soloq, usually ~top 30 barring decay if I can’t play for a couple days, and from my experience Fresh Air s/d is the only way to go

You’re just as glassy as a zerker staff ele, but have a substantially higher amount of burst and two on demand blinds, plus the earth 2 to bump your toughness slightly as well as help with burst/proc FA.

Sure a full zerk staff ele can pop things if they get a bunch of lava fonts and a meteor channel off on a point – but s/d unloads burst instantly if your fingers are fast enough and can instadrop a zerker staff, especially if you watch their prot and get them at the start of a channel which is essentially a pseudo-immob

If you play just be aware you’ll still fall over pretty quick if you aren’t good at disengaging after unloading

Muppet.6485:

So I main ele in soloq, usually ~top 30 barring decay if I can’t play for a couple days, and from my experience Fresh Air s/d is the only way to go

You’re just as glassy as a zerker staff ele, but have a substantially higher amount of burst and two on demand blinds, plus the earth 2 to bump your toughness slightly as well as help with burst/proc FA.

Sure a full zerk staff ele can pop things if they get a bunch of lava fonts and a meteor channel off on a point – but s/d unloads burst instantly if your fingers are fast enough and can instadrop a zerker staff, especially if you watch their prot and get them at the start of a channel which is essentially a pseudo-immob

If you play just be aware you’ll still fall over pretty quick if you aren’t good at disengaging after unloading

The problem with glass eles, even if they have high burst, is that thieves eat them for breakfast. And it’s even harder with scepter because most spells need a target as opposed to daggers and staff.